All i ever wanted is to care about someone who cares about me, but i have never met any person who would matter for me. How to fix this?
Learn how to empathy.
>>17002547
But how
Fuck you little bitch. Then don't come up on me and peddle your ass ever again wit yo flyer and shit. I'm sure it'll be full of posers like you, and suck.
>>17002543
what stops you from caring about any person that you meet?
>>17002547
Don't listen to this guy. Normal people will manipulate the hell out of you if you have empathy. Empathy is seen as a weak trait in society. Empathy is the poor man's cocaine.
>>17002596
I dont stop, i just never start caring, if i knew what causes it i wouldnt be here
>>17002598
Fuck you, normies are shallow but they feel empathy better than anyone on 4chan thats for sure. Hell, SJW is an empathy movement.
>>17002543
Just to throw it out there, MDMA seriously helps you feel empathy. If you take it with a friend or a romantic partner, your world will light up with emotions for them you never thought you could feel. Granted that feeling won't last but it's certainly something you can learn from. MDMA or mushrooms, as far as making you feel empathy they are equal in my opinion.
>>17002617
>SJW is an empathy movement
Holy fuck no. More like a subversive movement to divide and conquer the population. You're white? Then you can go to hell. It's just a race to the bottom. Whenever being gay becomes popular SJWs will lump them in with whites and other "Privileged" people.
>Normies feel empathy
Maybe like 0.1% of them, the rest sniff that shit out and walk all over you.
>>17002606
what makes you not care though? is this an ego thing?
>>17002639
Im probably just depressed edgelord since about 6 years, but didnt feel connection to people since childhood. So i dont exclude possible autism
>>17002658
so there was nothing in people that evoked any positive emotions in you? do you feel different from other people? in what way exactly?
>>17002683
I dont care about them. Never hated or loved anyone, i feel like a special snowflake, which is ironic because i laugh about such people
>>17002703
your whole situation is ironic desu, you want someone to care about you but you won't be willing to reciprocate. the only way to attain that is to make them care about you is by caring about them. honestly anon, i know it sounds basic but that's really the only way you can get people to give a shit about you. you have to develop compassion and empathy by thinking outside of yourself, usually by being more open with people.
>>17002683
Nice to see someone who seems to know how to help for a change.
>>17002617
>normies are shallow but they feel empathy better than anyone on 4chan thats for sure
>>17002638
>Maybe like 0.1% of them, the rest sniff that shit out and walk all over you.
Damn you guys are cynical. Sure, empathetic ability varies pretty widely among people, but zero empathy isn't common. And if i had to take a wild guess I don't think 4chan users would be significantly different as a whole than general population, other than being more extreme on both ends (higher variance) and being overall slightly less empathetic due to more males.
>>17002703
Couple more questions to add on to other anon:
How socially integrated are you (eg how many close friends/friends/acquaintances/romantic interests do you currently have)?
How would you describe your social talents/skills?
How's your relationship with your family?
Also, you said: >>17002543
>All i ever wanted is to care about someone who cares about me
Do you often dream/daydream about this? Have you imagined what such a person would be like, what you would do with them, what you would feel about them, what you'd do together, etc?
>>17002817
Yeah most men are super unempathetic that's personally why I think most need to die.
>>17002817
I dont have many talents, i kinda enjoy drawing and im good at math, physics etc. I have like 4 friends, none of them really close and they prefer to hang out with more extroverted people. My family already realized that i will end up alone and they probably wont count on me in the future. I dont have romantic interests in girls (nor guys). As a 8 yo i noticed all my classmates have some kind of crush, and i pretended that i like a girl just not to be different and weird. Also yes, i often daydream or dream about this. I always imagine a girl, never specify how she looks or behave. She just is.
>Inb4 fat loser
Its not like i never had a chance to get a girlfriend. I had at least 3 chances. But i was, scared? Anxious? Cant tell, and i disnt feel anything for them, even if they all were qute, smart and pretty.
>>17002836
>Disnt
>Qute
Fuck sorry
>>17002821
Meh, from what i've read women have been closing the gap in 1st-world countries, and among some schoolkids it's really close now.
The main explanation i've heard is that women's brains actually have only a little more empathetic potential than men's (difference due to hormones), it's just that they've been repressed and oppressed for most of human history, and thus haven't had a chance to flex their antisocial muscles. Now that they're gaining more social power in advanced societies, they're indulging more freely in sociopathic behavior, allowing the kind of negative cycles that suppress empathy.
More and more of them are going from prisoners to guards.
>>17002617
>Hell, SJW is an empathy movement.
Actually I'd say it's an example of the above: it's made it clear just how far women's place in society has improved in the past few decades. Unlike their predecessors, "SJWs" have enjoyed the superior position in some recent "culture wars" (eg gamergate), as the enforcers instead of the rebels. Naturally, this means they're relatively less inhibited, more dominant, and more inclined to antisocial behavior: accordingly we should expect them to be less empathetic.
Do you always have to argue over feminism on unrelated threads? Please guys...
>>17002896
Let me rephrase because yes the people who lead SJW movements are terrible people. It's their appeal to emotion in their arguments that amasses the more emotional-minded people I think.
No one's gonna comment on the other thing I said? Because I don't have an empathetic personality, INTP is pretty low there, and looking back I am certain it wasn't life experiences that made me more empathetic, but psychedelics, and reflection on previous life experiences, that made by far the most noticeable effect. And I see on personality tests that I'm closer to E than ever, almost 50%. Drugs guys I'm telling you
>>17002836
>I dont have many talents, i kinda enjoy drawing and im good at math, physics etc.
That's already more talents than many anons who post here, don't worry.
>I have like 4 friends, none of them really close and they prefer to hang out with more extroverted people.
No introverted friends? Do you know of any introverts in your classes (guessing you're in HS or so)?
>My family already realized that i will end up alone and they probably wont count on me in the future.
Really? Most families pretty much never accept that. Would you say your parents/siblings/etc love you? Do you love them?
>I dont have romantic interests in girls (nor guys).
Do you feel any sexual desire, arousal, etc? Watch porn, fap?
>As a 8 yo i noticed all my classmates have some kind of crush, and i pretended that i like a girl just not to be different and weird.
Ever had a crush on a fictional character (eg as a kid i liked hermione from harry potter for example)
>I always imagine a girl, never specify how she looks or behave. She just is.
What specifically touches you in this (what gives you the feels)? Your affection for her, her affection for you, mutual understanding (the idea of having someone you "click" with), etc?
>>17002904
The discussion isn't about feminism, it's about empathy. Feminists are just an example, could use others (eg increase in traditionally male types of bullying among schoolgirls) if even mentioning them bothers people.
>>17002908
Yeah, MDMA increases empathy pretty reliably (so do all its cousins, that's why they're called empathogens/entactogens after all). Being looked into cautiously for autism.
Problem is that all known entactogens are neurotoxic, so there's zero chance of turning it into a clinical treatment. Drug companies also won't touch potential risk like that, so few are trying to come up with new drugs that'll do the job cleanly.
Haven't seen evidence for MDMA sparking a long-term improvement though (iirc only ketamine is confirmed in this area).
>>17002948
I do, but even they are slowly becoming extroverted and drift further from me.
They know i have potential but lazy as fuck, no motivation whatsoever. So they gave me 3 options, either i go to college and am living on their money for few years, go to work and help financialy or just go away. They kinda love me, i dont love them, just respect and accept.
Yeah i fap, but it became stale long time ago, now i dont even really orgasm and feel like shit afterwards.
Never had any.
I guess it is just idea of clicking with someone.
>>17002971
Well desu about that last point, i would like anybody that i would love, doesnt matter what that person will be like. I could even settle for secret cuck love where she would be happy with some chad. I just want to fill the void
And btw thanks to anon who is asking all these questions, i apprecieate it.
>>17002971
Could keep asking more questions but frankly it was obvious a ways back. You have a textbook case of schizoid (personality disorder); everything you're describing is part of the canonical definition.
First of all, try to make an appointment with a professional (depends on where you live, but usually a psychiatrist or psychotherapist). Schizoid is difficult to improve on your own. (You probably know this but just in case, don't go in talking about schizoid and telling them where you got this info, just tell them what's bothering you and let them take the lead.)
The main thing that helps is intensive and extensive therapy. The exact approach depends on the therapist, but it's pretty much always a long and difficult process. Schizoid patterns of thought, behavior, coping mechanisms, etc build up over a very long period of time and aren't easily changed, especially since the coping is such a huge part of it. This is how you've dealt with your emotions, problems, conflicts, inner turmoil, etc for most of your life, and you'll have to break down those defenses, exposing yourself to vulnerability from all those threats while you build new, better defenses from scratch.
Medication is sometimes used, depending on the professional. Many therapists don't use any at all.
Some crappy psychiatrists don't keep up with current research and are still using antipsychotics (recent studies (and logic) suggest that they're basically worthless for schizoid).
Recently some are trying buproprion and modafinil. Both are meant to help with the depressive symptoms, such as the loss of emotional responsiveness, apathy, and loss of dopamine-related pleasure (food, sex, etc).
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I have had experience with mushrooms and I felt very calm during this experience and very connected with the world. I am 21 years old and I feel bitter towards the world, it is a perceived rejection that I have internalized since I was young, I feel as I am other from society. I have a very strong feeling of love that is wasted on myself that I wish I could share with another human being. I feel homicidal and suicidal, yet connected and in love with everything that I will never have it seems. I have never had a sexual interaction with any woman, never held anyone's hand or kissed someone. I have had women who were interested, but I was too much of a pussy to chase and I feel superior this way. I ignore emotion yet it is always there with depression soon to follow my hyper days of happiness and relief that we are in this together as humans. I fantasize about rape and homicide although you of course know I am to pussy to do that. I have displaced hatred and want to love. I have been to therapy and have taken anti-depressants. Didn't like how they made me feel. I smoke weed constantly to relieve back pain. I love life though. Peace.
>>17003097
Op again and I feel really similiar. Im waiting to pass my exams, move to a bigger city and die two months after from overdosing.
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Social skills training helps in cases where people abandon friends/family/etc connections and totally isolate themselves from others for years. Doesn't sound like you need it.
Emotional intelligence training (aka emotional IQ, empathy training) should help a lot if you can get it. They basically teach you to relate to others and form meaningful connections: how to express emotions, how to read and interpret others' emotions, how to deal with your feelings for others (all kinds, love, hate, anger, etc), ditto for their feelings towards you, etc.
Other kinds of group therapy meant for other problems (eg social anxiety, avoidance, aspergers) can help too, especially after the above: you won't have their problems, but it'll give you a great opportunity to empathize with them, understand the emotional meaning of their experiences, get used to dealing with displays of strong emotion, etc.
Overall, the goal is basically to break down the walls your mind has built between you and other people, and replace them with coping mechanisms that allow you to connect emotionally, then learn how and why to do it. This is a long, hard process, but the payoff is worth it. You have the capacity to be genuinely happy, to form meaningful relationships, and eventually to fall in love. Make it happen.
Good luck anon.
>>17003106
Hey op. I have put off college for 2 years now. Hold old are you bud? I moved to where im at 4 years ago and I hate it. Left 4 jobs after making a hundred bucks. I put off getting financial aid for college. I hope you do well in exams. OD on wat? Hold out for something fun and exciting I am sure it will come to you.
>>17003111
Thanks anon.
>>17003115
Im 19 soon. I will just try to apply for some stem studies. Couldnt care less about it. I dont know what to od on yet. I might just hang myself before that.
>>17002617
>SJW is an empathy movement.
SJW likes to think it's an empathy movement, but honestly, it doesn't do empathy very well. Selectivity isn't even their biggest problem. It's a serious problem, of course, but worse than thay is their lack of control in the face of empathy. Worst of all is their idea that practicing control in the face of empathy, rather than allowing empathy to control you, would render it inauthentic.
>>17003097
You definitely have classic feelings of detachment from others (like OP and such), but this stuff on the other hand:
>I feel bitter towards the world, it is a perceived rejection that I have internalized since I was young
>I have displaced hatred and want to love.
>I ignore emotion yet it is always there with depression soon to follow my hyper days of happiness and relief that we are in this together as humans.
>I have been to therapy and have taken anti-depressants. Didn't like how they made me feel. I smoke weed constantly to relieve back pain.
is pretty much characteristic of schizoaffective-type problems (not schizoid like OP). An interesting note is that schizoid isn't even a close part of the schizoaffective/schizotypal/schizophrenia family, only a distant cousin (the suffix "oid" means "looks kind of like").
>I have been to therapy and have taken anti-depressants. Didn't like how they made me feel.
Diagnosed with depression, right? No surprise the treatment didn't help.
Almost all antidepressants are actually contraindicated in your case, since they very often make people like you feel much worse!
This is (unfortunately) still a pretty common mistake in psychiatry.
Consider trying again with a new professional.
As for self-medication: psychedelics, MDMA, and especially weed only help temporarily with the symptoms, they won't fix any of the underlying problems. (another interesting note: people like you blaze so much that it's an ongoing debate whether you're more likely to smoke weed to deal with the problems getting worse or whether it actually makes the problems worse by itself!)
>>17003106 >>17003134
No problem. And forget suicide man, this shit's fixable.
