How open is your best friend? How are you and your best friend gonna work this out? Is your friend gonna first assume it's actually sex with him or just the two girls taking turns with each of you?

If there's no cohesion, someones gonna be the odd man out - either you or you're friend.

Honestly, I'd just offer to swap girlfriends with your friend and move from there. Go on double dates with them and see if their's some chemistry.

I wouldnt do it with very close friends but that's just me.

>>16967090
I really wanna swap girlfriends too, I think having some weird rotation going on would be too complicated for novices like ourselves.

I'd rather do it with my close friend, because letting another guy's dick inside my girlfriend takes a lot of faith, for me at least, so I'm more comfortable with someone i know well.

>>16967074

first and foremost, talk to your girlfriend about it. find out if she actually wants it. having one ally makes it eaiser, as opposed to you looking like the autist talking about gangbangs.

if shes on board, then make a plan. strip poker is fun, once you have some drinks in you.

you can also try to gauge your best friends interest. have you even seen each other nude before?

>>16967099
My girlfriend is kinda on the edge about stuff like that. She has said she'd enjoy watching me fuck another girl, but she'd also be really jealous, so it's not off the table.

And yea, I'm gonna talk to my friend and guage his interest, because if he is totally opposed I'm not gonna be, like you said, an autist trying to force everyone into a gangbang.

>>16967074
Take it slow, make sure you assess how your friend feels then how his girlfriend feels. Take it slow, try to ease into it.

>>16967098
You want to jump into group sex but swinging is too much? Um.

>>16967104
I mean obviously I'm not gonna have them rush into my apartment and be like
>everyone start fucking now

I was asking more for specific tips, or stories of how other people did it. For example in my head it would be

>everyone drinking, having a good time
>we start playing poker
>me or my buddy suggest we play a few hands of strip poker
>maybe after that the winner of the round gets to make a dare
>dare the girls to kiss each other or dare my friend to kiss my gf, or i get dared to kiss his
>escalate until i dare my gf to feel my friends dick or vice versa
>move on to handjob and eventually blowjobs
>play it by ear from there

>>16967074
OP, sexual sin is a very serious matter, the Bible states "For the wages of sin is death..." (Romans 6:23a). You shouldn't be engaging in pre-marital sex, fornication and orgies

I pray that you will realize the error of your ways, repent, and come to Jesus Christ

>>16967103

my recommendation, dont ask your friend. cuz that could hurt the friendship. instead, gauge his interest in little ways. talk about porn and see what comes up. talk about his sexual fantasies. start vanilla and go places. talk abotu the dirtiest thing either of you have done to your gfs.

if this talk is too awkward to get to and impossible to start, then chances are he isnt interested.

as for your gf, talk to her, say this is what you want, and see what she says. you've had this sort of discussion with her before so she'd not get mad or freak out at this specific instance.

but as for your friend, get drunk, shoot the shit (without hte girls around). see if he gets uncomfortable with you pissing in the urinal next to his. stuff like that.

>>16967113

just so you know, this will end up with your girls daring you two to do gay stuff.

source:
>my fourth of july party was basically a bisexual softcore orgy.

>>16967126
We're not uncomfortable about things like that with each other. We've been friends since boyhood, and we've agreed that we'd spitroast a girl if we ever got the oppurtunity. So I know he'd be down to do something like this wih a girl, just not sure if he is comfortable letting me inside HIS girl.

>>16967133

thats fair enough, it sounds like he might be game. id still recommend takling to him about your sex life, fantasies, fetishes, etc. just to see how into it he'd be,

perhaps actually start by talking about your girlfriends fantasies or fetishes (not just group sex) and ask if his has any weird ones as well, what hes tried, etc.

if they havent talked about group sex before then, you might plant the seed that he should.

>>16967139
Good advice man. His girlfriend has been with 7 guys including him in a relatively short span of time so she isn't a prude for sure. I think this could definitely work if I could find a way to frame this situation without being awkward or forced.

>>16967113
>I was asking more for specific tips

Everyone here is telling you to talk to or feel out the individuals before you try anything. Make sure everyone involved is interested, or you might just ruin your relationships with your friend and gf.

>>16967145

one thing to ask yourself before you go any further btw

>do you want a foursome with your best friend
>or do you really just kinda want some kinky sex and including your best friend is the only way to go about it.

>>16967152
I kinda felt like making sure everyone was somewhat interested was implied. So I was asking hypothetical, if everyone involved is at least interested how do I facilitate a non-awkward experience.
>>16967156
It's the first one. I think gf swapping would be hot.

>>16967161

then you might not wanna do this.

>>16967166
Why

>>16967175

because you dont want to. you want to have your own threesome and are using your friend to get this.

hes your best friend. if you dont actually want a foursome with him, then having a foursome will be more burden than pleasure, especially when the girls make you do gay stuff.

>>16967180
I think you misunderstood my post. I said I want to swap girls with my friend, and we could fuck in the same room or watch each other take turns.

>>16967195

but you do not want a foursome with your friend, you are just comfortable using him to facilitate what you want.

trust me, if you do not actually want your friend involved, this will be bad for you and bad for your friendship, and possibly bad for your relationship.

and again, if you do the 'dare' route, you are gonna hate yourself for not being comfortable doing the gay stuff, cuz its inevitable.

>>16967218
.... mate I DO want my friend involved. I think 2 guys and 2 girls would enhance the experience.

And I don't think the girls will try to make us do gay shit. And even they did it's not like we would do anything gay.

>>16967222

>mate i do want my friend involved

then next time say that, instead of the other options.

>and i dont think the girls iwll try to make us do gay shit

they will. trust me, my fourth of july got REAL weird.

>and even if they did we'd just be assholes and not return the favor even though we make them do lesbian stuff

do you see the problem here?

>>16967226
Just because you and your friends have some closet homo shit going on doesn't mean all friend groups do.

And also, girls wouldn't find it arousing to see their men kissing each other like desperate faggots. They just try to make you kiss each other and threaten not to kiss each other for leverage. They're just amusing themselves and getting an ego boost from seeing how much you're willing to degrade yourself. It's called a shit-test, and I would say you failed, but any guy who does gay stuff with another guy is a homosexual, so you probably enjoyed it on some level.

And you've only had one experience, you can't fucking guarantee every orgie will have homo-shit involved. You're a novice. That would be like going to your first baseball game and catching a ball, and then guaranteeing all your friends if they go they too will catch balls.

>>16967252

>NOTHING GAY WILL HAPPEN IN MY ORGY WITH MY MALE FRIEND

uh huh

>GIRLS DONT WANT TO SEE GUYS KISISNG

they do actually. not all of them maybe, but there is a reason they love watching their gay friends kiss. they think its adorable and to some degree sexy.

>leverage

that too. the girls all made out. then the guys got dared to kiss each other so we did. cuz unlike you we dont pussy out.

we ended up in a 6 way that night (though once the clothes were off we were only each having sex with a single female partner) so sure maybe im a novice. but you're acting like you know better when you've only seen clips of fake baseball games in sports movies.

good luck though.

>>16967252

wow. if you get this upset at the mere suggestion of some taboo touching between men, then you're gonna hate yourself during / after this foursome.

>>16967252

>id never do something gay
>id just spit roast a girl with my best bud so we can stare at each other while we got our dicks in the same pile of meat.

>>16967270
I'm not upset, I'm just saying that you really seem fixated on the gay aspect. I ignored your original 4th of july post and you still kept bringing it up.
>>16967274
It's more of a dominating a girl thing than anything homo, but i understand your concern

>>16967074
Question, if you'd kindly answer.
How long have you both been dating your girlfriends?

How much do you love her? Live in cock-sleeve level or wife material level? Its a genuine question, not shit talking.

>>16967313

you ignore it and talk about it as if its just not something that happens, when clearly it does.

the fact that you had a massive meltdown over the possibility of a girl asking you to kiss your friend shows you really shouldnt be trying to have sex with another dude involved.

>>16967074
Group sex should be a threesome.
A three some is 2 women and 1 man.
2 men and a girl involved is a train.
2 couples, why? Your girls will just realize that they can be sluts and its cool with you,

Best option is a threesome, don't make it awkward.

>>16967074
1. Lots of liquor
2. Strip poker
3. Something happens
4. Both girls dump you in disgust when they sober up.

>>16967321
I've been with my gf for 1.5 yrs. He's been with his for 6 months I think. Although I'm never getting married my gf is wife material.
>>16967833
Ehh doubtful, but will keep in mind

Don't do group with friends. What if your girl finds your friends dick better. Again cheating is the norm when it comes to this just saying or follows after. I don't care if whoever fucking say they know their girl or man curiosity gets the best of thm when they experience your friend seems to fuck you better than your current partner.

But try not to cross dicks if it's a 4 way but if its a 3 way make sure it's 2 chicks but yea keep it mutal and make sure it's mutal after your done cause again cheating sometime is the norm after these things

>>16970517
I know me and my friend have a similar sized dick, and I doubt his dick game is better than mine. And I don't see how it can be cheating if it's all consensual.

>>16967074
>Buy MDMA
>Take it with friends
>Fuck like rabbits

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>>16970567
>drugs

Degenerate

>>16970571
He already wants to have group sex, faggot. I'm here to give advice, not debate the merits of someone's desires. Unless they're yours, guy-who-wants-to-buy-prostitutes.

>>16970537
Then just do I. Again coming from someone who had 3 way just go through with it just again don't cross swords

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>>16970579
Sometimes the dick does have its own desires

>>16970603
I didn't come to advice to have someone tell me not to cross swords like I don't already know that