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Hey adv,

It's my first semester at college and everything seems great so far. People are friendly for the most part and I like the freedom of going to classes whenever I want. The problem is I've attracted my very own beta orbiter.

We've talked to each other a bit in class and now he's following me around everywhere. When I go to the library, he's there. If I go buy food, he's always just right behind me. Whenever we walk together he never really says anything, and when he does, it's always about league of legends, anime, or some shit, which I only have a passing interest in, but I guess he think I like to hear about it cus I'm asian.

He seems like a nice guy for the most part, but I don't want him hanging around me so much. How do I kindly tell him to fuck off? I'm too shy to hurt his feelings and I don't really know what to do... this is the first time this kind of thing has happened to me. Help me adv!
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Just tell him you need your space.
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>>16818194
First you should suck his dick and then let him dump his load down your throat. Next, make sure to take him back to your room so that you can fuck him extra hard until he fills your flesh oven with baby batter. Then you can let him down easy after one final "fuck off" handjob where he gets to finish on your face.
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>>16818194

Have him be your valet/maid/cook. Win win.
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Hint to him that you're taken one way or the other.

Either have him see you with your boyfriend, or when you talk to him mention something like "yah my boyfriend likes that game a lot", if you don't have a boyfriend just lie.
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>>16818194
Basically what this anon said. >>16818198
Best way to deal with this kind of thing is to be straight forward. Beating around the bush is just going to prolong things.
No matter how you phrase it he's probably going to be a little hurt, no way around that. But just be as nice as you can while still being direct. He's taking things too far and you need to have your personal space.
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>>16818194
Try thinking about how you would feel if he was attractive ?

Did it appear in your mind ? Doesnt it suck that appearance can do so much
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>>16818194
>We've talked to each other a bit in class and now he's following me around everywhere. When I go to the library, he's there. If I go buy food, he's always just right behind me. Whenever we walk together he never really says anything, and when he does, it's always about league of legends, anime, or some shit

Do people actually do this irl?
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>>16818194
If you don't want him around you would've been best to tell him sooner because now he is super comfortable and most likely thinking its an okay thing to do.

So now you have to maybe suggest that he do something else like hey don't you have to do this, or hey you should do this while I do that.
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>>16818235
This is a possibility as well, but if what OP says is true, then this guy seems like an autist who is more interested in talking about things he likes than he is in even getting to know OP. That's not how you make friends.
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>>16818235
If he was attractive she'd be taking his cum into her body and not posting on 4chan about it.
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>>16818198
idk he kind of already knows where i hang out in between classes, so he'll prolly just find me again

>>16818206
uhh, no. i'm not doing this

>>16818214
won't turning him into my slave make him even more clingy?

>>16818216
this seems like a good idea but what if he sees through me? there's someone else that i like though.
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>>16818250

>this seems like a good idea but what if he sees through me? there's someone else that i like though.

then fucking say you're seeing someone else, its not complicated, god damn
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>>16818250
OP you have to do that. It's the only way to make him stop. If you really want to be sure he never bothers you again I suggest doing all those things to him on a regular basis.
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I feel bad for the poor guy, but just be honest.

"I see you around a lot, and we've spoken a fair bit but I'm not sure we're connecting. We have very little in common, and I'd hate for you to waste your time on me."

Totally honest, and spares his feelings to a large degree.
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>>16818269

Fuck that shit he's being creepy as hell, I'm an introverted person but I'd never do something like this.
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>>16818221
he seems kind of sensitive so i guess no matter what i do, he's gonna be hurt in some way.

>>16818239
hey man i used to think this kind of thing would never happen too

>>16818245
well he nice to be with at first but after a while it just started getting aawwwkward.

>>16818235
>>16818247
>>16818249

i would rank him about a 5/10, but even it was a hot guy tailing me and talking about league then i wouldn't be attracted either. and come to think of it, he doesn't really know much about me.
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>>16818279
>If it was a hit tailing me I wouldn't be attracted
Bullshit. You'd be begging to get on your knees to service his manhood.
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>>16818279
>he seems kind of sensitive so i guess no matter what i do, he's gonna be hurt in some way.
That's pretty much it. But you gotta do what you gotta do. If he's making you feel uncomfortable or giving you unwanted attention then you're totally in the right for telling him to back off. It's better to just get this kind of thing over with soon rather then letting it drag on because you feel bad for him. The longer you wait the worse it's gonna be.
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>>16818279

>but even it was a hot guy tailing me and talking about league then i wouldn't be attracted either.

i bet if your crush was doing this you'd be just fine with it.

not judgin' though, guy's a creep.
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>>16818198
That doesn't do it with guys like this. He's obviously got an obsession over you and you are right I estimate he is simply choosing topics based on assumed mutual interests, so on and so forth, he sounds immature, to be too blunt, really. He needs to learn ... And you will teach him.
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>>16818290

Not everyone is you, anon.
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>>16818269
Beta orbiters need to learn
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>>16818293
>>16818290
i'm not like that anon!

>>16818269
i feel bad for him too, cus i used to be antisocial like him before. i kind of think saying i have a boyfriend is the best idea so far
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>>16818314
Indeed. Not everyone gets women to beg me to fuck them like I do. It's a curse sometimes.

>>16818319
Sure you aren't, honey bun..
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>>16818327

>not everyone falls to their knees to suck the nearest dick

Fix'd that for you, champ.
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>>16818335
HILARIOUS AND ORIGINAL
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>>16818319

Don't say you have a boyfriend if you don't. If you already have a stalker everywhere you go, who is to say he won't stalk you on social media? Making up lies is going to make this worse.

Tell him that it's kinda creepy that he follows you literally everywhere you go. Yes, you are shy. Yes, it will hurt his feelings. But being lead on by imaginary promises he made up in his own head is going to hurt him too, and it's not even your fault - it's all his own expectations.

Be honest. "You're a nice guy, but I don't want to date you, and it's kind of weird that you follow me around everywhere and don't have much to say. Please, don't do this kind of stuff, it's weird."
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>>16818319
Don't beat yourself up in anyway over it, to OP. Things like this happen because they were meant to. There's someone who wants you badly. Good luck.
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>>16818235
>>16818249
>>16818290
>>16818327
>>>/r9k/
If a landwhale or a 2/10 was orbiting you I guarantee you guys would deny her right away. Yet when a woman complains about it you guys give her shit for it.

Not OP and male btw
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>>16818358
Naw I'd get my dick sucked, have breakfast made for me, and then kick that fat ugly sow to the curb.
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>>16818345
i guess i'm flattered in a way cus i have a beta orbiter? and thanks anon.

>>16818342
oh yeah i forgot about the social media stalking thing fuck. the thing about telling him direclty like that is i'm gonna have to see him in class everyday anyways and i don't want to have to drop this class.

>>16818327
o god don't start
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>>16818381
What's matter sugarplum? Don't like getting called out on your bullshit.
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Uhm, don't do that awful thing where you lead guys on, the stereotype? Turn him down? I had to have a confrontation with a girl once over this, guys really don't appreciate it and honestly it goes nowhere positive if you keep letting it happen.

Just turn him down.
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OP, you've turned down literally every piece of sane advice that's been given.

Here are your only choices:

1) Tell lies about how youre taken and hope that his interest in your was romantic/sexual.

2) Stop being a coward and be straightforward about how you feel as tactfully as you can

3) learn to tolerate having a beta orbiter

there are no other options. Pick one.
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>>16818389
This, desu. Thanks for being so brave.

Get on your knees, OP. It's your job as the inferior gender to service a man.
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>>16818381

You don't have to drop your class because you made a guy upset. It's one class for a semester. If he causes an issue, tell the professors, tell campus security, whatever if you need to. But only if it gets to the point that he's leaving you love letters in your dorm room after fapping into all your pairs of panties.

Up until then, it's best to cut this off sooner rather than later. The longer it goes on, the worse it's gonna get.
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>>16818398
>learn to tolerate
Aye. This man may even become useful to you, if you care to nurture a new relationship, keeping your distance or whatever it is you please.
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>>16818398
huh? when i have turned down advice? it's been exhausting replying to almost everyone in the thread, but i appreciate all the help that's been given.

>>16818412
i hope it never gets to that point...

>>16818418
i don't think i can be this manipulative lol
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>>16818405
I just wish OP would realize this and wrap her lips around this guy's love cannon until he explodes in her mouth sending cannonballs of sperm down her gullet.
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>>16818405
Passive aggressive feminist trying to be funny confirmed
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>>16818194

Obtain Ricin or Cyanide. The former is preferred. Get a small pin or a blow dart/pipe/ Cover the tip in sugar paste, let it dry, and lightly coat the whole tip in the substance. Enough for the substance to be absorbed into the sugar, but not enough for the sugar to melt off.

Get him somewhere without security cameras and stick him. Or sneak attack him. He'll hopefully die or get really fucked up.

This or cuck him. Get BBC/Big dik and have him wear gym shorts. 10/10 glorious girth chub can be seen protruding from shorts. Aspie sees you two doing the tactile fundle bundle. Break orbit and aspie kills himself
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What is with the clickbait photo of an underage girl? Did you want advice from pedos? At least I think it's an underage girl. Hard to tell with Asians these days...
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>>16818239
>Do people actually do this irl?
Yeah, but it usually stops after high school.
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>>16818194
Talk to him, give him a chance.
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>>16818239
Lead betas on? Yeah, but >>16818502
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>>16818369
I have done this, easy pussy is easy pussy.
Women don't understand how much our dicks control us, no matter how horrible the blow job will be, no matter how ugly she is, no matter how much we will regret it for the rest of our lives, we will probably do it again.


As for OP, just tell him to fuck off. Seriously our brain are straight forward, hints and telling him you want to be friends will not work.
Especially since he sounds like a right autist and weeb.
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>>16818398
Fucking pick number 2.
I was a beta orbiter so I know how he thinks, you need to rip the fucking bandage off and get it through his skull.
Anything else will give him hope and it will just end up messy.
I know you don't want to be a bitch but the guy needs someone to be a bitch to him because he has been babied all his life.

Either it will go two ways
1) He will learn from his mistakes and get better at talking to women like I did. I look back at how I was and cringe
2) He will remain a beta autist all his life and die alone.
Lets hope he ends up the first way.
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>>16818641
>As for OP, just tell him to fuck off. Seriously our brain are straight forward, hints and telling him you want to be friends will not work.
You have to understand the nature of women. They avoid being direct for fear it will cause the man to have an adverse or destructive reaction.

Although, sometimes being direct is the only way they will ghee up, since they've been brainwashed by media to think this kind of dogged determination is endearing.
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y dawnt u pway ping pwang with his dwing dwong you ching chong. But seriously, let him get that pussy so he can shove his eggroll in that sweet dumpling.
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>>16818398

you forgot...

4) murder him and bag the body, then hide it among his lucky star dvd's
5) get the government to sign a petition to bring in japanese schoolgirls fresh off the boat in to your local area so he'll orbit other bitches
6) get a pretend bf and flaunt him around for the time being until he fucks off
7) use your transgender no jutsu to trick him
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moshi moshi baito desu
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>>16818194
dont be afraid to hurt his feelings. he is a grown ass man, he will get over it eventually.

if you want him to stop following you: tell him to "fuck off" there is no "right time" to play the asshole card.

if you tell him you have somebody else: he will still keep hanging around...

if all else fails tell him you are lesbian.
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Be honest and tell him you know that he's into you and but you're not into him. The encourage him to actually meet other people and be more forward about his feelings.
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>>16818194
Whatever you do don't tell him that he's a nice guy and then reject him, that'll only fuel his "Nice guy syndrome" and he will just turn hateful and bitter towards women and can make him spew a lot of shit about you behind your back. Typical traits for man suffering from this is creepy behavior like following their crush around, acting overly chivalrous towards you, having no opinions of his own and being unable to disagree with anything you say.

These sort of men need to be told with straight face how insecure, dishonest, creepy and spineless they are and how acting like man servants wont get them laid.
They need to learn not to seek acceptance from others trough their actions and how most women actually want men who are honest and confident and thus not afraid to tell women what they really think and want.
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Let me guess... uhm, an asian girl, beta orbiter.... a white guy! My advise would be, say to him, he should fuck himself, stop watching hentai and japanese porn.
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I know the millenial gen is highly saturated with autism and that normal communication is impossible, but just tell him: "I dont think we have a lot in common, no chemistry and all that. Would you mind leaving me alone?" Yes I know this is hard for the immature, but give it a try.
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>>16820232
Tried that, doesn't work either. If you are not hot, you are an "arrogant dick". Trust me, I have seen other men doing the exact same, but they were hot so it was all good.
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>>16818194
here you go op
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8teRxOSNHs
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>>16820555
Check'd
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>>16820562
Have you considered the possibility that you actually are "an arrogant dick" or you simply acted like one?

I talk to women the same way I talk to men and see really no reason to treat them differently. This has worked really well so far, I've met my current girlfriend and made quite a few female and male acquaintances with this approach.
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Stop it now before he's attached. Once he attached to you it will only get worse. And it will be 10x harder to make him stop. Also if he's a crazy personality he will continue stalking you or kill himself. Stop it now before he blames you for his death.
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Just mention you have date with hotter guy.
Or actually get a boyfriend.
He will disappear for your life forever.
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>>16821206
The women I meet most of the time are college chicks (which in my country means socialist femminist morons) who now think they are the better sex. Which means that there are roughly 3 types of men at my Uni: 1. Hot guys that get away with anything (especially non fat black guys) 2. "Arrogant dicks" which are men that refuse to get cucked, but are not hot 3. White knight beta cucks (that get pity fucks).
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Would it be any different if he was talking about dota instead of league?
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I had a friend that did this to the shy girls he liked. He followed them around and acted very creepy. Does the same thing as your beta orbiter: talks about anime, league, the usual, but he is also gets very touchy as time goes on. Don't make the same mistake they did and tell him to back off. If you do not want to be mean about it, do what everyone else said-tell him you need some personal space.
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I posted a question in the ask an opposite gender thread, but OP is a female so do you mind if I ask it here?
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>>16818194
Be honest with him, tell him you like him as a friend but you are currently sexually interested/involved with another guy and you need your space.
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>>16818194
Got any pics, OP? Luv dem azn girls. Dating one right now that went to cornell and now in med school. God bless your culture.
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>>16818194

> league of legends, anime or some shit.

Oh god, my roommate freshman year was exactly like this to some girl he liked and would come back to me and tell me how much he think the girl likes him.
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>>16821463
Because there's no way a girl could possibly like league and anime. Nope! Impossible!
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>>16821483
Not the ones that we are attracted to. I acknowledge this is anecdotal evidence, but every girl I know who is into anime is either fat, ugly or both.
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>>16821489
The set of women who is attractive, likes anime, and would be willing to fuck you is probably of zero size. That probably fuels your angst more than anything.
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>>16821493
What? I'm not even OP, I was just saying. Calm your tits, friend.
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>>16821495
I was just saying too, friend. There's no need to be upset that those banging hot cosplayers who love anime aren't willing to fuck you. It's just how it is.
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>>16821286
I see that you've some growing up to do.
You sound so envious of people who have had some success with ladies that it has turned you bitter.
I mean all you're doing is blaming them and making up silly excuses why they are picking the other guys instead of you.
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>>16821499
Okay.
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>>16821515
I'm glad we got that sorted out.
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>>16821521
I'm glad that you are a faggot.
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>>16821525
Awww why don't you go cry some more over that cute nerdy girl who's casually into anime won't fuck you because you're an insufferable faggot?
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>>16821532
Because I have a girlfriend?
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>>16821535
Your right hand doesn't count, anon. Neither does your body pillow.
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>>16821544
Why are you so angry? What's your problem?
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>>16821547
You. Have you considered killing yourself? I think everyone would really appreciate it.
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>>16821514
Sure. But I never said I did not have success with the ladies. However, these are just my observations. The beta cucks are the most pathetic form of life imaginable though. Had a good laugh about it with some of my female acquintances with whom I have made most of these observations. Also, fuck off to Tumblr with these faggot quote pics.
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>>16821555
Okay. Now, what exactly did I do to poss you off? Saying that the girls I know who are into anime are fat?
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>>16821561
You seem like the kinda guy who would go for a bitch suicide like ODing on pills. So, I suggest a heroin overdose. Do you have needles and heroin available, anon?
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I've seen this thread before.
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>>16821573
Oh, I get it. You are a fat girl. Carry on, I was just curious as to why you were pissed off. Just go the gym fatty, it's not that hard.
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>>16821581
No? Not heroin? Oh... OK I get it. You like that nose candy. To each their own, anon. Now, do you have access to a razor, a mirror, and a large amount of cocaine?
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>>16821589
Do you have access to diet cola? I think it's the ammount of sugar you ingest.
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>>16818194
OP listen to these anons/femanons.
>>16818316
>>16818277
>>16818198
Betafags need to fucking learn the hard way of their mistakes. Don't feel bad, the dude just sounds like a god damn creep. Just tell him to fuck off, it'll be a lot better then dealing with his bullshit.
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>>16821594
Not even cocaine? Oh my. Um... You're picky aren't you? I guess you do a whole bunch of meth then?
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Talk him to death about things that interest you but couldn't possibly interest him, make up, fashion, other guys, cliche shit like that. Even the worst orbiters will get the hint eventually.
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>>16821609
Fuck off lardass. Fat people are not people, get over it.
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>>16821626
Well shit. None of those will work for you? Go for eating an entire bottle of Valium washed down with a few glasses of whiskey. You really like getting this done the hard way don't you?
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>>16821633
>>16821626
>>16821609
>>all the other bickering

You know what you both need to do? Murder Suicide. Fucking kill yourselves. Pathetic faggots.

>>16821617

This is what OP needs to do. In fact, the only thing that she needs to talk about is other guys. That should crush him and his responses will make his intentions obvious.

>Do you know anything about Chad? He's pretty hot and seems pretty nice.

If you keep doing that, he'll eventually get the hint that you have 0 interest in him as a romantic partner.

Either that, or he'll be posting on the "Write a letter to someone who will never read it" threads about how "you always go after these other guys while i'm always here for you."
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>>16821656
Bickering? I don't want to murder anyone. I'm not a killer, anon. I just think he'd make the world a better place if he offed himself. He could think of it as community service!
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>>16818194
Do most asian girls like anime, league of legends, and stuff? My gf thinks that stuff is for losers and so do I
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>>16818194
tell him you have a boyfriend or you're gay

it worked on me so it should work on him
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>>16821663
F A T
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>>16821958
You're back!! Did you get your drug of choice? Which one did you pick?
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>>16821656
spotted the miscreant who goes into those threads just to reply to the really sad ones
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GUYS
UPDATE ON THE BETA ORBITER

I've changed a few details and things just in case he browses adv.

So after I class I try to leave quickly and go to the library, but he's right next to me. We're in the library but I just ignore him the whole time. I notice he's watching gameplay videos or some shit on the computer. After about an hour of studying, I leave to go home, and he follows me out too. He starts complaining about how his leg is dead cus of sitting the whole time. I tell him you shouldn't have been watching videos the whole time then.
He laughs.
I ask him why he's following me and if he has any other classes today. He's says nah and laughs again.
I don't know if thinks I'm just teasing him or if he's happy that I'm actually responding.
At this point I start walking faster and pull out my phone to text my crush, because he messaged me earlier that day anyways. I giggle and smile at my phone and the beta orbiter asks me who I'm talking to.
I tell him it's my boyfriend and then he goes, oh, and starts asking me about him.
I say he doesn't go to this school and such. I don't why he's interested.
We end up parting paths and he says see you tomorrow. I smile and wave SOMETHING I PROLLY SHOULDN'T HAVE DONE.

anyways, i'm surprised this thread is still here lol.
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>>16821961
Lol
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>>16821979
Yeah, sure. You can call the cops now if that's the case. This guy deserves real judgement.
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>>16821979
stop waving to him when he comes to class

stop replying when he talks to you

tell him to stop following you around

tell him that he needs to find friends with things in common with him
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guys i'm about to head to the gym i will try to reply to everyone's comments later.
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>>16821983
Wh.. What's so funny? Did you already take them? Anon! That was not the plan. Ugh... Now you have to go back and get more since you probably don't have enough to OD on now.
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>>16821991
>>16821979
I wouldn't resort to the police just yet. I mean do you feel in danger? Then you should get a restraining order.

You are going to need to be more direct with him and stop sending mixed signals. We guys were raised to be stupid with women, both by or parents and the media. The media is especially guilty of showing these images of guys with "dogged determination" eventually "get the girl," even after being rejected for years. If parents don't explain the differences between fantasy and reality, men and boys have to learn this the hard way, through experience. And sometimes the consequences can be quite harsh.

You need to tell this guy you're flat out not interested. If you don't feel safe doing this alone, make sure you're in a public place with a friend nearby.
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>>16822001
Look OP you can start ignoring him but guys like these don't let go easily. You may not have noticed but you're obviously the thing his life revolves around. You can just tell him that you need space or that you are fine doing things by yourself. Chances are that he'll go into a nerdrage but it's more likely he'll go into a beta-pityme-formation by immedeately acting as the victim. DON'T fall for it. It may seem harsh but a good wake-up shake might just be what he needs. He needs to learn that unless He, as a man decides where to go and decides what to do he will never live a complete life.
Trust me i know what i'm talking about. I fell in love with a 10/10 girl from my class and (from my view) we were friends for 7 years. During this time i was madly in love with her and it is when i finally broke away from her that i realized how much she had (ab)used me. DON'T turn him into your slave. He would probably like it but you're throwing his life away and if he finally breeds some self respect there will be consequences for you. Consequences for wich you are not prepared. Cut him loose before he has grown into your life as an unwated factor.
Extra : If you're feeling generous you can get his League account info and erase his account. It might be a good start. Even if he restarts an account he may realize that he's just throwing his life away.
Even if he is the rare case that never changes, you don't have to be the scapegoat for that. Live your life, tell him to fuck off, and when he gets told to fuck off often enough he will realize he has to straighten his life out, man the fuck up, decide what he wants to do and maybe even one day become an alpha or at least a self-sufficient happy human being.
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okay guys i'm back.

instead of replying to everyone i'll just summarize things in one post based on all the advice i've gotten itt.

i couldn't bring myself to tell him to fuck off today, but since ignoring him or telling him i have a bf didn't work, i guess i have to tell him directly. i don't think i have to call the police and i definitely don't want to turn him into a slave

this is what i'll tell him tomorrow:
when he starts following me after class, i'll ask him if he likes me. i suspect he'll say yes, but whatever he says, i'll tell him "you're making it pretty obvs that you do, but i'm already seeing someone else, and i don't want you to get the wrong idea that you and me are a couple. i don't hate you and i don't want to hurt your feelings, but i don't want to lead you on cus i'm not like that. i love my bf and i'm doing fine in class, so i don't need you to follow me around so much and that maybe you should do other things."

after i tell him these things, instead of going to the library like i usually do, i'll say that i have plans with a friend today, and then just leave.
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>>16822468
>i'll ask him if he likes me.
I dont know about this part because itll be easy for him to try and deny it. But I do like the rest, just tell him that he's been pretty clingy even for a friend and that you need some space. You guys aren't going to stop being friends but maybe he should do his own thing while you do yours.
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>>16822477
it seems like a pretty good set up to me.
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>>16822468
I think this is pretty good. Hope it goes smoothly.
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>>16818418
KOTR 2?
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>>16822541
Only women think this is a good idea.

There's one of two ways a let's be friend talk works.
1) he doesn't get it, thinks you're getting closer and feels more hurt when you finally spell it out.

2) he gets it, hates that you resorted to something like that then either fucks off forever or comes back and kills you.

Just be straight up OP. It's not the beta's fault you're too shy to talk to him like a person. Say "we can be friends if you want and you can stop being creepy, but I'm not into you like that, and I never will be."
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>>16822468

>telling him I have a boyfriend didn't work
>then proceeds to want to tell the stalker she has a boyfriend

Lady... you're dumb.
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from one girl with a beta orbiter problem to another- I've had the best luck with telling them:
"Hey I think you're such a sweet guy and I love having you as a friend, but I need a little more space right now. I'm at a point in my life where I'm trying to focus on myself and being independent. I'd love to hang out with you occasionally, but I think right now I just need a little more time to myself."

I like this method because it's telling them to leave you alone without directly saying "I don't enjoy your company".

Saying you have a BF when you don't is kind of a tricky situation because if heMs In to you he'll ask a lot of questions about said BF to size him up and compare him to himself.
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Tell him to fuck off.

I used to be a beta orbiter. I was lucky enough to learn the hard way that shit doesn't fly.
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Don't tell him that you have a boyfriend when you don't. That's just asking for trouble. Just be passive with him and tell him that it makes you uncomfortable that he follows you around and you're not interested in stuff like that now. Be confident but don't feed him the nice guy meme. If he doesn't get it, be a dick and tell him to fuck off.
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>>16823161

This is the only option honestly. OP, In his mind he thinks if he holds out long enough or if you're around him long enough you'll start to like him.

If you don't feel anything for this guy, telling him to fuck off is you're only option. Keeping him around will make you feel better, but it's going to be torture for him. Especially once he realizes he doesn't have a chance.
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