Do nice guys finish last or just push overs?
Nice guys are what some women see as the real assholes.
>>16776588
I hear the saying women don't like nice guys, but what I found is they don't like submissive guys. I know a good chunk of men that are swell guys and they all got girls that aren't hard on the eyes.
Don't make the mistake of being mean because girls date guys who are shit heads to people. They don't like the shithead part of them, they just like the non push overy part. So being a bitter push over just makes you incredibly unappealing. Best of luck.
>>16776592
What? Why?
Nice guys do just fine. Guys who are utter pussies are fucked though.
>>16776604
He means to say that being nice is being mean.
Push overs. "Nice guys" is what needy little beta use to describe themselves when in reality it is not the niceness girls dislike it is the betaness, girls don't like arseholes they like confidence arseholes usually have.
But nice guy beta are generally arseholes in their own way just without the confidence.
Nice guys are passive aggressive, sneaky and sniveling little shits.
I remember I use to be a "Nice guy" the trick is get confident and stay nice, being desperate is a huge turn off to women.
>>16776588
I would say generally it's just push overs, but I'm sure nice people get lumped in because they've had their intentions and behaviors misconstrued. Without trying to look too deeply into things, and wind up with my head in my ass, I think a lot of the issues stem from "nice guys" not really being all that nice. They're either putting on a show to get in a girl's pants, secretly bitter about everyone and everything around them, or they're only nice because they're afraid of confrontation.
>>16776588
It's partly the nice guy's fault and partly women's bullshit.
Women for the most part want to be with someone who challenges them and is interesting. They don't like being bored. This makes sense.
Young women will think they can get that from the jocks, the frat bros, etc. They get used and abused and then they learn from their mistakes, if they're not retarded (some are).
However, you can still be a decent guy and not bore the shit out of women. Just be funny, have interesting hobbies, have a cool job, etc. If you have something to keep their interest AND you're not an asshole, then they'll prefer you over the jock.
Just push overs.
The term "nice guy" is actually what women use to talk about guys who actually just want to talk and be friends. It's distinctly separate from guys who just want to have sex, who are mostly annoying, but "boyfriend material" is also a guy who's sexual. Those guys are quite a lucky find for a girl so they say it as a compliment/relief sort of thing.
Yes there are reasons to want to have a friend. Maybe you feel like talking to somebody, or you don't feel like a relationship at the moment, or you have a girlfriend or girls you are more interested in.
Basically, pretending to be a friend is not a good way to put off your inevitable rejection.
"Nice guys", yes because they're deceptive with their intentions
Honest/up-front/interesting people do fine
You need confidence and a mentality of abundance. Abundance means be ready to ask the whole world out; don't randomly pick one female you barely know then bet your soul on her going out with you.
Practice speaking, get good at it. Make yourself available to other people so they have a reason to talk to you. Observe old successful people talking effectively. Watch youtube videos on good speaking while you exercise.
"Nice guy" == inferior male specimen who sends shitty signals. Nice guy is just the nickname for this term.
Most importantly of all: stop moping.
I'm neither a pushover or an asshole, I was a guy who gave you a second chance and fucked up. And now I want you gone.
Daily reminder we live in a society where 98% of all stoners, criminals, gangsters, thugs and dealers have a constant supply of pussy and engineers and accountants have to wait until their 30's to get some.
Women literally enable these shitty behaviours.
>>16776798
Is it really deceptive trying to get to know a girl before sticking your dick in them? To try and form a connection?
>>16776812
The engineers wont go to the club where everyone is jumping on each other because they say the floor is sticky.
I don't want to get into a semantics debate over what NICE GUYS (TM) are because there's no way in hell that could possibly end well.
But girls like guys that are stuck up and narcissistic as long as they have the looks to back it up.
>>16776812
Sex runs on primal instincts.
Being an accountant means you can't ever lift? Bullshit, there are hobos and lawyers and pilots who lift. Can't learn assertiveness, or practice confidence, or improve your speaking skills? You must be dead if you can't do these things.
The guy who has no real responsibilities in life tends to get laid the most. When you were studying, he was partying. He gets more sex than you, which means he gets more STDs more paternity fraud more false DV/rape accusations etc. etc. etc.
If you just want a busty girlfriend who sucks your dick, then lift and practice your skills.
>>16776822
It's not and you should get to know people beforehand. It's just that normally you either know quickly, or you keep a little sexual tension thing going long-term so you are a possibility for each other. It's the guys who enter the "I'll never touch you" zone and sit there who are the problem.
Pushovers.
Women date nice guys. They don't date people who identify themselves as "nice guys".
>>16776812
You have to pick the life you want, anon. If you want to shy away from socializing because you're "above" the behavior, and then you spend all of your time on your career, then yes you won't be able to reap your rewards until you're 30.
We live in a pretty hedonistic society. Also you have to decide if getting laid a bunch in college and highschool is really worth being a loser later in life. You have security, they don't. So in a way, you've won. Unless you consider victory to be how much ditzy pussy you can get.
>>16776830
You don't even have to life, power, intelligence, or just dressing sharp get girls off too. This is all based on a false premise though, because most engineers and accountants are just fine with their relationships. They usually choose long term ones.
>>16776604
Because casual kindness is cruel. If you show a special kind of niceness to every single girl, then ultimately it means none of those girls are special to you, and what you are doing is treating them all the same, not actually being nice.
If you are nice to girls only on the pretext of having sex with them and plan to cut contact and stop being nice the moment your future sexual activity with said girl is being threatened, that's emotional blackmail and does not make you a nice person at all.
>>16776822
there's a point where you know a person well enough to decide that you'd like to pursue a romantic or platonic relationship with them. wanting to give your "friend" the dick from day one of your relationship and having the gall to call it a friendship is pretty fucking deceptive, no?
you don't go to a car dealership to buy a home, don't settle for a friendship when you want something romantic
>>16776828
not so much narcissism or being stuck up, rather they're confident and have standards
>>16776833
This. I'm by all means a nice guy, I've never said anything mean to the girl I'm dating, never hurt her, and never intend to.
But at the same time, when we met, she knew my intentions, I never was "just a friend" hoping to get into her pants, I was friendly, but I made my intentions known. Most "nice guys" are nice and never make a move and then blame girls for ignoring them, despite never making a move.
>>16776889
Call it what you want.
My boyfriend's a really nice guy. He aims to get along with everyone and is willing to go the extra mile for people if they're not dicks to him. He's just so sweet and kind, and has never 'finished last' in any sense.
>>16776895
This is bullshit though, as women KNOW what these shy guys want from them. They just prefer not to so they can accuse them of being dishonest when in reality they were just so afraid of fucking up that they instead did nothing.
>>16776588
Yeah its true. If you want a girlfriend just be a jerk. Girls can't resist a jerk.
>>16776918
They prefer not to what?
>>16776918
Poor bitter li'l baby
>>16776918
>as women KNOW what these shy guys want from them
No we don't. We're not mind readers. I have male friends who are 100% platonic, why should I presume that other guys I meet just want to get in my pants? If we presume that's the case, then we get called bitches for being presumptuous and turning them down before they even make a move.
>>16776918
>why won't women read my mind and know that I want to fuck them....DUMB BITCHES! All women r stoopid!
i'm pretty much an asshole all the time and tell people to fuck off constantly, if not directly then with actions/body language.
i have never had a girlfriend.
nice guys finishing last is just one of those comfort saying because everyone thinks they are the "nice guy" and want an excuse for their failure.
>>16776949
I'm a man who has had a lot of platonic friends of the opposite sex. Not everyone wants to get in your pants and if you assumed that you'd be an idiot.
Hell, I'm bisexual. Does that mean I only talk to people in order to get in their pants?
>what I'm saying: you're fucking right, keep being that way
>>16776918
>supreme gentleman detected
>>16776604
probably because they think you are being fake nice just to get in to her pants but you should be okay if you are naturally good not doing it just to get in her pants. also i wouldn't be nice to women if i was you because they will take advantage of you and exploit you /walk all over you. if you give her an inch she will take a yard. I think the best approach is to be assertive and not to neglect your needs over hers all the time. i think this is the problem with some nice guys out there they neglect themselves too much and women find this unattractive. why do you think women like those narcissistic assholes? because they put themselves first over everything else.
You're not nice
You're meek
>>16776588
Drop nice and replace good. Good meets the end successfully.
Ex:
"Nice Guy" :"Nice flowers!"
Crush: "Hey Billy I am out tonight what to spend some time with me?"
Boyfriend: "Yeah sure that'll be good."
"Nice Guy" : (Asshole he didn't even say nice flowers. And I just saw her today so that means she is into guys who talk like that in 5 seconds.)
Good Guy: Spends time with her as her acquaintance then friend and then date when she is ready.
Believe me like all of you guys here that took me a while in life to learn. Oh and you think I'm still not dealing with the "nice guy syndrome" you got another thing wrong. I'm still being looked at as a faggot and still am being looked at as a dork and still am a lot of other things that is preventing me from a girlfriend. So yeah... You gotta remember how to live life.
If you want to get the girl. Then do not accept the life of douchebags and nice guys. Trust me you need to get out of that lifestyle where most teenagers are trapped: Am I a faggot because of these guys? Am I going to be single the rest of my life? Am I going to turn gay? Am I-
No you aren't because guess what. Here is the thing: You are what you are and you need to accept that. Reason why and believe me you may think I'm full of shit that douchebags are taken is probably because they have been there where "nice guys" are not. Also the "douchebags" had to go through what nice guys go through too.
Do not think that just because a guy got a lot of scores and a lot of strength and bulk that he is suddenly the asshole in the high school story.
Also porn and hollywood fucked up the words friend, playmate, and love. Romantizing and sexualizing the shit out of everything. So do not follow that either.
And also you got to know that most of these men in their 40s and 30s are either very shy or aromantic.
The idea that you will be so damn ugly that no one will date you is pretty fucking dumb. There are overweight people that get pussy faster than me.
>>16777153
And quit looking at yourself as a dork in the story and chicks are going to dig you for that. I'm not saying that it won't. I'm just saying don't be so lofty with yourself. The more lofty you are, the more fucked you are in the end. Trust me the jocks can be nice friends to you and if you keep on thinking, "Teh, asshole he likes sports and I spend time with video games and making stuff unlike him." then what the fuck do you think people are going to look at you like? You got to stop thinking about yourself and feeling like because you have solely been judged without people around you that everyone like a certain person is the culprit. It isn't. That's not how reality works.
>>16777173
Also the real assholes in life are the ones that do not want to construct you and change you 180 to not yourself.
>>16777153
And quit thinking that you deserve a girl that is single. Yeah there are a lot of fish in the sea, but they are reserved to a certain type like you are reserved to a certain type.
Don't think for a moment women go through the same stuff you do too. I just saw a post by a girl who is 23 years old that was seen as a sex object, living alone, and that is a lot worse than what nice guys go through.
So you have to rethink a lot of what happens to you.
>>16777183
I'd say they're the same. Both are brought on by their own inability to communicate what they want.
>>16777153
Then friend.... nooooooooooooooo.
Acquaintance then date, don't become friends.
>>16777216
You stuck on friendzone crap still?
"nice guys" always finish last, because niceness is a feminine quality, however virtuous men tend to fare quite well, as virtue is a masculine quality.
>>16776588
The one that picks up on and acts on signals girls give them finishes first. Neither of these stereotypes are accurate enough to explain all the different types of guys there are
