Alright this is my story hopefully somebody is listening. This isnalso valuable advice. When i was around 14-15, I had the biggest crush on a girl(today we are good friends) I used to be the ugliest shit ever. I got rejected bt her and it hit me hard. But to this day I thank god that she did. Made me realize many things. How ugly I was, how shit I was to talking with women and how innocent I could be. I started losing the weight( good healthy diet) and by 16 I learned about PUA's and shit. So of course I started off slow I remember hitting on my first girl and getting her number. Hilarious and looking back, suprised she even gave me her number I was so akward. Anyway bit more time passed and I ended up meering a guy named paul trough a pua site. He is one of my closest friends today. He was a year older then me and knew a bit more abour the game and all. While my skills were raw, I did have the most energy and boldness. we started picking up toghether. It was fun. I just turned 19 a few weeks ago. Its been over a year i havent looked up pickup and shit. If you want my advice, If you are some dumbass that dosen't know how to get girls, it is great. it honestly taught me alot. And it actually helps you in other situations. I was never one to shy away from a crowd but pickup helped me in terms of communication and networking. I'm pretty happy about it but heres the things you should know and the very reason why i'm writing this. Number 1, DO NOT FALL INTO THE MARKETING TRAPS. The whole paying for the pua knowledge is absolute bullshit. I never did it. All the things I learned you can find for free on the internet. Don't get into the whole project go simple pickup shit. You won't be gettinf anything special. Also 2 more things. One, while the concept of getting a girl's numbee as your primary motivation is good at first, personally once i got good at it, i started getting away from the community. You don't want your "game" to be fake.

pt 2: As i was saying,you want to be natural. Be liked and loved for who you are. Don't think you're a hotshot cause you can pickup a girl with a silly hat on. do that at first to prove to yourself anythjng is possible and maybe once in awhile for the fuck of it. But trust you want to acquire it as a skill not somme lifestyle as somme market it. I have nothing but love for pickup but i don't like the traps they set for vulnerable men to make rm waste money and also make it sound very douchy and brolike. I tend to find pua's to sound quite disrespectfull towards women. If I can suggest you anything, Go check out Jad T jones on youtube. His older stuff, back when he used to call the channel howtogetagirlfriend.org. He has somme great real insight on pickup and how it should be done later on. I have way too many things to cover but for now I hope this wasen't a waste of words and you end up replying. Love helping the pickup community!

>>16519906
>>16519918

This guy writes massive blocks of text with poor punctuation, but he speaks wisdom

>>16519906
>>16519918

I agree with all of this. PUA can offer some great general advice on confidence, taking care of your appearance, introducing yourself, making conversation, etc etc. But there's a lot of bullshit in there too. Go with your gut. If it sounds wrong to you, it's wrong for you.

At the end of the day, it should be about learning how to make real connections with people, even if you're only looking for casual sex. Don't be fake, don't look for advice on how to change yourself, just learn to present yourself in the best way possible.

>>16519906
>>16519918
I was gonna tl;dr this shit but it's actually p good

thanks mate

>>16519925
ya sorry mate was trying but english is my third language.
>>16519936
thanks maty
>>16519940
welcomme. anything else before I sleep?ill keep the thread open on my tab and check it tommorow.

>>16519936
>learning how to make real connections with people
Care to elaborate on that? How to improve that?

>>16519809
Tbh I never really understood this shit. As in, the entire concept. As I understand it: there's a whole community of bros who bond through their common story ("I was a loser and never got any girls then I figured out I needed to practice") and exchanging "game" (don't fart in front of her, be confident, say funny shit, don't be gay, etc.)....
Ok great, but after you've whittled your bedpost into splinters and made a whole bunch of wing-mate friends to celebrate your virility with, at the end of the day...you just had a whole lot of one-night stands, right? Pee pee went into vagina alot, yea?
I mean you didn't earn a living doing this, right? My guess is it doesn't exactly leave you ready to settle down and be content with a normal life, correct? This is just being an effective slut, yes? Isn't this just college sports without the athletic prowess, and con artistry without the earning potential? Am I missing something? Do you get some kind of award? Does your dick start shooting lasers after the millionth casual hookup?

>>16519945
you got any quick and dirty tips for a first date? it's at a bar

>>16519947
Not the guy that wrote that but the one writing the giant blocks of text. What I would assume he meant by that is simply don't be fake. Your interaction with people is as real as they get. it's just you being you. Not you trying to be fake. The connections you make gotta be genuine maty.Personally I don't even consider myself a pickup artist.

>>16519952
Ya, pretty simple actually, in terms of interaction, be yourself. Make her laugh. I don't know if most guys are like me but I tend to be clever with wordplay. say she spills her drink and says she is all wet now, I usually would throw in a comment along the likes of " oh so you're all wet now"sounds ridiculous on here but you gotta know how to say it. Also be kind and social with the person serving you. if they see you are friendly, they will be to you and she will feel safer knowing you are liked and not the type of nigga to stir shit. I think I have more but tell me about yourself. Perhaps I can help with certain aspects you struggle with and if I know your motivations for pickup, mmy tips will suit you better...

>>16519952
Dirty tips I got a few simple ones. Always have an excuse to be close. When she talks look her in the eyes but once in awhile gaze at her lips. Touch her. No not in a perverted way but things like a hand on her leg or playing with her hand or stroking her arm go a long way. If the bar is loud, get close to her ear to talk and when you pull away, try to stay close to her face( give her breathing room but you gotta have that sexual tension between you). It sounds weird trough internet but I hope you got the concept and don't end up using it and coming off as creepy haha

>>16519951
After looking at a few videos, it looks to me like this PUA stuff only teaches you to get a number. The only videos where they show it going further are with club girls.

So great, you can get to have sex with club girls, but who can't?
I mean, I consider myself an introvert and I don't like going to nightclubs, but the few times I've been there, after a few hours, girls are so desperate they'd come to any OK-looking dude (they weren't the best-looking ones, but a 4 shouldn't expect to fuck an 8 by using salesmen mindtricks).

Please correct me if I'm wrong.

>>16519962
>>16519968
man that actually helps me a lot, even just putting it into simple ideas so I can relax about the whole thing.

I'm not creepy at all but I have trouble being assertive I guess (not just in dating). I know you're right in that I just gotta go with the flow and if she likes me for who I am it'll work itself out. I picked a good place so that's something. hopefully we'll be able to sit close together, side by side rather than across from each other

>>16519976
Hey, big block text with many mistakes guy here, I personally HATE the club scene. I don't go there. been to a club perhaps 4 times in my life? Not my thing. Like I said, i mentioned Jad t jones. What this guy shows you isen't precise situations, he shows the fundamentals of how it works. Unfortunatly for you, one cannot just show every little detail. Most guyss struggle with opening and closing. However you'll get better with time on that middle part. of course, the fundamentals like be confident are important as well while fairly obvious, you'll realize that there are somme you don't do.

>>16519947
>>16519953

Pretty much what he said. When you talk to girls, don't just play games and try to make them like you. You should be trying to actually get to know them a bit, and letting them get to know you. Don't be in your head, don't be prepared or rehearsed, just learn to listen, pay attention to someone's face and body language, be in the moment with another person. Even if you're not looking for anything serious, you're going to have a much better time if you can just let your guard down, and be real.

>>16519952

Get a booth. Don't get very drunk. Don't buy her tons of drinks like you're trying to get her very drunk. Offer to take her somewhere to get some food after you leave the bar.

>>16519979
That's great mate, Look if you are the type to get nervous about making convo, ill give you the greatesr advice I have ever heard, Kill the feelinf of akwardness in you. There is no such thing as an akward silence unless you make it akward. You just gotta relax. You don't need to be talking all the damn time. hell you wanna know something, once you know what I just told you, you have the advantage. you can just sit there and wait for her to say something. just sit smile relax. but don't feel akward. simple as that haha

>>16519980

I'm sorry I talked shit about your text blocks. You're giving lots of good advice, and apparently you speak two more languages than I do.

>>16519986
don't worry about it senpai! It's 2h30 am here and got class tommorow haha i'm aware of the mistakes but really enjoy teachint and giving thesse sort of tips :P. Got a girlfriend now haven't really chatting up girls as much tho I find it fun! If you have any questions ill try to stay for another 10-20 min!

>>16519986
wtf i wrote senpai...meant to type man. wow ma bad

>>16519953
So that's my problem.
I always get the feeling that the girl I'm trying to date is always waiting for me to get the conversation going, so I try to throw some random questions about her but she gives a simple answer and adds "what about you?" and then it dies.

Result is I have a relatively low past 1st date success rate.

>>16519994
This or maybe I don't get her signs of saying I should just stfu and get more intimate with her.

How to decipher this?

>>16519976
I have absolutely no problem with it personally, and I think its great to see my fellow man helping each other out instead of trying to kill each other like usual...but at the same time I just don't understand exactly what its supposed to accomplish, why anyone would put this much time and effort into something that's never going to lead to a scientific breakthrough, an empire or a spiritual awakening. Then again I play video games so maybe I should shut up...I dunno...I just personally find the first time having sex with someone to be awkward and repetitive, a conquest without a kingdom...what gets my attention is connecting with something bigger than yourself, getting to know a real human being better than anyone else, getting them addicted to you, the ecstasy of mutual worship, the desperation of complete dependence, the teamwork of a partner in crime, looking at her from across the room and knowing exactly what she's thinking, playing life together, subverting together, exploring each others darkest, most fucked up sexual fantasies in ways that wouldn't even occur to either of you unless you'd talked about it for more than a couple hours over shitty music...yes it always ends in tears, but afterwards you have something more than what you could get by streaming some porn. I dunno, maybe I'm a fag or something. Maybe I'm doing life wrong...I'm having fun, these guys seem to be as well....I guess that's what counts?

>>16519994
Look at what I told in this >>16519985
this is the perfect advice for you. You are worrying way too much. Gotta stop stressing and have fun. while one can talk about anything, first of, you don't have to talk all the time. Second, and this is why i preach being real and natural, cause if you follow simme kind of script or if the convo dosen't flow naturally,it goofs. maybe you simply are't connecting. Hey it isen't always your fault, I had a date likenthat during summer lol I just start screwing around durinng those and have fun.

>>16519998
read >>16520003
also learn body language. and learn to feel. ima sounds like a kung fu movie but gotta see more then with your eyes. you gotta learn to feel that shit man.

>>16520003
>>16520009
Thanks for your replies.

Please tell me more about that body language thing?

How to get her hints?
How to give her hints?

>>16520021
Unfortunatly it is getting pretty late so i can't dwelve in too much but i should be on tommorow keep checking the thread. However ill tell you this for now, the touching. does she seem to pull away from you if you get closer? does she touch you? is her attention on you? her eyes do they look away? As for you, its simple, do you look into her eyes or are you staring at the fine booty that just walked past. Are you getting closer or are you checking your phone out of boredom? Are you touching her too? Remember sometines certain body languages are unintentional. somme say girls play with there hair means a sign of interest but alot of girls do it out of habit.

>>16520021
Also look it up on the internet. I'm giving you all this info on a silver platter but trust me it is out there( and free). Ya I know it sucks to have to try and find it but ill give you a few names. RSDtyler(grest general knowledge to apply to life)Jad t jone(older stuff and one guy that really helped me grow as a person). Honestsignalz and simple pickup have somme nice stuff too for beginners(avod the whole project go shit and they do trnd to get repititive)

>>16520036
I guess I'm too shy on the touching part for first dates.
I feel like it's a little bit fast to start taking the other person's hand on first date.

And thanks for the info, I'll check the references you gave me tomorrow.

PUA is loser shit and basically the equivalent of "click here and learn this one trick to make girl drops their panties!".

Now The Red Pill might actually be valuable because it's a framework of knowledge, of explanations and only the most general of guidelines. Ignore the daily posting but read some of the sidebar and top posts stuff. Pretty good.

What is the HONEST ratio of success to failure you guys get?

>>16520383
it obviously depends mostly on your looks, but still it won't be better than getting laid with 1/500 girls you approach, because PUA is bullshit. They tell you to just approach anyone, anywhere and of course one day you will simply run into a slut. Pray to god you aren't "that guy" by then yet.

/adv/ generally takes a dim view of PUA. The only useful thing they tell you is that rejection isn't something to fear. The rest is bullshit at best, and often crosses the line into outright creepiness. But, of course, pursuing the sellers means admitting that you thought you needed it, which will wreck your reputation even harder, so they never get sued.

>>16519918
much this.

there's some good in seeing how interaction works outside the realm of the disney talk we've been fed. Being able to make a random girl feel for you is also sort of a little ego boost. It's a hobby that gets you talking to girls and since finding gf-material is a stochastic process it indirectly increases chance of that. Casual sex makes you more confident and aware of what you like. you'll learn some skills and get to know your likes and qualities by playing around with them.

But don't overestimate the value of a radically strategic aproach either.
being kinda introverted myself (or at least selective with the people i open up to) I find it an enormous waste of energy to try and pick up girls i don't wanna gf. I see loveless sex as hardly more than handsfree masturbation, with some added pressure and risks.

Basically i'd say try to understand the biology behind PUA strategies and experiment a bit if you find it fun (looking like a fool to some random chick by trying some weird trick is genuinely fun when you don't take it too seriously) but don't get too hung up on it. remember most info is written by people who have something to sell.