nemo edition
This is a general about slave trainer games and the creation of games where you play as a male and dominate women. Discussion about games not being created here is also acceptable as long as it's related to the topic at hand(ie playing a male and dominating women).
If you're working on a game and want to list a pastebin here speak up please.
Major Versions of the game (BT is necessary for mods):Silver edition and Russian edition are the most active
Each of these is a standalone game, not a mod for any of the others. BASICALLY the links to download the games are in this pastebin.
http://pastebin.com/kA21ncJK
Maverick wrote a guide for scripting. Shows how to write/structure scenes for coders. Good for idea-guys & script-writers:
http://pastebin.com/gRyrGgDt
Info on character generators:
http://pastebin.com/CaevjctD
Links to other games
http://pastebin.com/7CHVFKWM
Rogue-like by Oni
http://pastebin.com/gLGH6Va0
Korra Trainer/Breaking Bat/Incredibles trainer/Tifa trainer/Momcest trainer/Ben ten trainer(Anon projects not related to Witch Trainer)
http://pastebin.com/K5NC3Tk1
Contact info for major contributors:
https://quip.com/I2f8AaPEEr0a
Report & ignore shitposters, people that scream proxyfag/samefag/waifu/waifufag, people that post beast and hamplanet attention whores
>>290091
Nemo is great.
Hello from 2016
>>290091
Lolis are the best.
>>290103
B..b.but it is 2015
>>290094
Nemo is the best.
>>290115
Shut up cunt
>>290125
Yes.
>>289952
Mother and daughter have already been announced. And the desert is like a half hour at the start of the first one, and 20 minutes at the start of the second. It's mostly set in space, since the title is STAR WARs after all.
We NEED an english version for Life With Hermione... please multilanguage anon!
So when is the super mom demo coming out
>>290125
This is a shitposter remember to report him
>>290167
No.
>>290115
Time travel it's a wonderful thing my good sir. Unfortunately ea has released 3 new battlefront dlc costing 25 usd each
>welcome to the new thread
>where we repost what we posted in the last thread
can anyone post the link to the bitch trainer mods?
>>290273
We have become very efficient at it too.
Now where's the 'mods are niggers' guy?
>>290187
When all the events have finished porting and i'm on east coast time so later
again its 1/4th of the demo
Man I thoroughly enjoyed the russkie WT game. Had to play it on Android though because more privacy/no pc.
Kinda makes me wish there were more android versions out there, or games in general. Can anyone point any direction?
Anyone heard from Khan?
Happy Holidays stg, Not too much visual updates but this costume. I'm working on making inventory system and stats
>>290520
There better be sandwiches
>>290512
I heard he is dead. too much vodka
Quick question everyone if a trainer game offered you the chance to play as two or several protagonists each with a different method of training would you play it?
>>290541
Honestly, feature bloat is a real thing. Just focus on getting your base game out first before adding new shit.
>>290541
Depends on how unique each one is.
>>290520
Nice
>>290541
No. That'd just stupid and takes away the focus of training the girl which is what matters
>>290541
Fuck no, add more girls to be trained instead.
>>290551
Honestly I was planing on each character have their own set of girls to train.
>>290541
aye
>>290541
We'll play anything with good art and decent progression. Go for it.
>>290237
That's not bad considering the USD is worth less than the peso in the future
>>290165
Let him die unenlightened, anon.
>>290601
Pfft
The economy isn't going to crash for just the Americans, dillweed. Not like any of the other markets are doing particularly well already.
>>290541
I'd play it but it's not a good idea.
You should plan these things like it's a movie with a single protagonist and 3 acts that leads to the girls being trained slaves. This is what Akabur does.
>>290707
Perhaps I should have clarified, I want to give players the option to choose who they play as a trainer.
pls some1 translate this
http://pornolab.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2110709
https://mega.nz/#!wJQgxSSQ!rBOaCIcREe8YgYciZR2woYKLplj0KfT3OJQUjUM8Gsc
i cant even get her to ride that broom dick with this alien rune language
>>290701
Turns out Trump gets elected, and all of the hardworking people turned away at the southern border issue in a golden age for Mexico. In the future, the US is essentially a banana republic, and Mexico is a world power. Go figure.
>>290520
Nice to see you're still around.Love the costume
>>290520
Pls, Give me.
>>290775
Hope you enjoy losing.
>>290776
That's fine, As long as I stick to my creed
>>290777
That's why I'm voting for Bernie.
>>290779
I'm voting for Kodos
Tropic, about how much time would you say you could get out of a single round of the demo's demo?
>>290779
I didn't realize being retarded was a creed
>republican voters
>white people
This general just gets worse and worse each day
I still say the chimp in all those old hockey movies would make a better president than any politician.
>>290782
for the 1/4th demo as long as you dont skip through the dialogue
20 minutes? 25?
The full demo is somewhere like an hour
But because you cant get the same events twice you can easily replay it about 4 times
>>290783
Oh, but it is. Where do you think all of the Trump supporters come from?
>>290790
I'm not gonna lie, I expected an hour or so from it from it. So are the events really short? 120 seems like an awful lot to only equal <30 minutes.
>>290812
White power, eh trop?
>>290810
The ones with choices are pretty long but they only occur in the hallway/Helen's bedroom
I had a hard time porting the rest so I used the old ones which are shorter
>>290815
That's actually probably a good thing then, might make them fresh when we get the actual demo or full game. Now get back to work, I'm rather excited to see how this works since I just remembered that Incredibles 2 got announced a long ass time ago.
>>290817
Not even sure anymore if that's a legit Zyklon Ben cartoon or not, with how redpilled he's become.
>>290784
>2016
>not supporting Trump
>not being white
come on
>>290832
I'm support Trump and I'm white!
I had no idea stg had turned into pol.
>>290109
![1444337850456[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/717UdbJ.jpg "1444337850456[1].jpg")
Can someone tell me how i can get this into my game or if there's already something like it out there.
Please guys, this is the only way ....
Does anyone know if Injustice doesnt have sound or did i just fuck up somehow?
>>290850
/pol/ is the intellectual center of 4chan
You know our memes and have our ideologies.
Every corner of 4chan knows and repeats our memes.
We have the same mantle that /v/ and /a/ once carried. The memes of production.
Jesus christ Tropic is the cancer of this general.
>>290923
Back to reddit if you want to apologize for slavery. This is a slave general.
>>290931
Is... is that supposed to be fem-Trump? Isn't she missing more than half her body weight in shit and lard?
So has there been any progress on anything at all since /aco/ came about? Is there a demo or a WIP playable thing somewhere?
It figures. /pol/ AKA Stormfront for Autists explains the waifufags so well.
>>290729
>trump wants to stop all migrants
I love the meme where people talk about things they know nothing about like they know everything about it.
>politics
>board fighting
hello where are the new games
>>290951
Got a download?
>>290956
>tfw no jeb bush trainer
>>290962
>final scene has you fucking his boypussy
>with each thrust he thanks you, president trump
>cum in his butt
>collect it in his guac bowl as it oozes out
>feed it to him
>he says this is much tastier than his guac ever could be
>>290931
Yeah, it's a slave training general, not pol.
>>290951
Since you niggers are lazy.
https://mega.nz/#!wYk22KQL!ucN77lrs1y6mEFWPylkYHF9PN91xHbX2_1ri3tb6w-s
>>290990
Cheers
Does anyone have a Luna version out or is it just a DIY kinda thing?
>>290990
Trump making /stg/ great again.
>>290990
thx, time to fap.
>>290990
>trump posters provide actual games and making /stg/ great again
>all other low energy posters doing nothing of value
>>291132
How's that dick taste?
Wait, Tropic weren't you supposed to release the demo today?
>>291140
working on it
>>291135
Like freedom.
>>291144
Did the end justify the means?
tfw freedom coats the inside of your mouth.
>>291152
Him and his friends are mostly still alive and not in some unmarked grave in the jungle.
>>290990
IT JUST WORKS
>>290990
You know what
Fuck what I have
this is much better
this fucking grind
Can anybody extract the Hypno-Slave archive.rpa? Every time I try it throws up a UnicodeEncodeError and won't extract it. As a further note I was able to extract the archive for WT and Russian version just fine but I can't for this and I'm wondering if I'm doing something stupid or not
I've seen 3 scenes like a dozen times, and dealt with long ass fights... Is that all there is to this Beta?
>>291301
all the unlockables aside from the underwear you start with are locked too...
Immediately after asking I actually hovered over level up and realized I needed specific ammount to level up aderp.
>>291306
The underwear says next version, but thats not in the other sections.
>>290990
Senator Trump
>>291306
you need to level up (have enough exp points and "purchase" a level) to unlock one by one either a perk, a body mod (unlock more event ) or modification of the parts of your slave (breasts, right arm, cunt, shoulders,....)
>>291322
Their grayed out though
>>290109
Holy shit. Please for the love of all that is holy, fix the anatomy.
Jesus christ is the grinding in this insane, my first upgrade not only requires 30 EXP, but my reward also makes me pay 300 in all 3 stats for it too.
I'm getting 5 per stat.
Atleast akabur's grinding was completely mindless and rather fast.
>>291324
When they are grayed out it means you dont have the ressource to buy the equipment...
You have to unlock each equipment with the level up up system and then pay it with the necessary amount
Not sure if it's this point youre not understanding or not, send a screen of the shit youre talking about
>>291353
I thought that at first, but then I thought no fucking way, 100 points for that
But then I grinded to 100 and realized that yea...It is 100
>>291355
yeah the grind is kinda surreal...
"funny" thing is if you lose the battle you lose the amount you were supposed to win, so for me its like -200 in every resource
>>291353
Are the studs and things acting like embedded armor for her? Also, what's going on with her wrists and elbows?
This isnt even good as a mindless time waster....
I was so turned on by the writing at first, but then bam endless grinding 5 minutes later.
>>291374
not really, each part increase a bit of hp for the part, it can add a skill to your pool of skill (the cards in battle) and can boost the passive gain in Hp, armor, and mental armor, etc
it's just the apperance of the gear "equiped", I think you can't remove anything, just add more stuff to it
Can anyone help? I'm playing through witch trainer rn, but i think i'm stuck. I bought too many favors from hermoine too fast, and now gryffndor has more points than slytherin, but i cant hang with snape because he always says he's busy. can anyone tell me what to do?
>>291391
depends what version you are playing, if its the original one you juste have to skip days until Serp have more points
If you're in bitch trainer / russian edition / unattended edition there is either a way to increase points via the console or via the cupboard
>>291360
You know usually i'm always up for the grind, whatever is rpg maker tier or cookie clicker hunie pop
But this is too much man
And because there are so many assets running at the same time, it runs really bad too
Like I know its a demo and all but still...
>>291409
im playin 1.02. i dunno how recent that is.
Quick, release super mom so I can spit this grind taste out of my mouth.
>>291418
IIRC its the original version so no direct way to "cheat" , either skip days as fast as possible or go try the Russian Version (it's in english) in the pastebin of the thread
>>291420
Tough luck
My assistant coder went to do some work on inventory system, then left to a party
when I launched it, seems its half way done
So After some back and forth texting he seems pretty drunk and out of it
so i'll probably have to wait until he sobers up tommorow
woops
>>291411
yeah i'm kinda in the same boat but.... I can't stop playing this grind simulator, dunno why.
still it has cool content and evolving you bitch is kinda fun...
>>291438
Alright,i have the russian one now. what do i do in the event that i get stuck again?
May 2016 be a fruitful and productive year.
>>290091
The link for Bitch Trainer in this pastebin is broken. Anyone have the modded version?
Anyone have the most recent english version of witch trainer?
>>291487
in the cupboard you have a lot more options now, search a bit in it there are like 10 different cheats you can use in it
>>290720
I'd be willing to give translation a try if someone spoonfed me a step by step howto guide.
>>291353
Ugh, that "Frankenstein" aesthetic is horrible.
>>290720
it's amazing how the Ruskies can put together complete games/mods like this. Why can't we do shit?
>>291520
I'm actually starting to hate artguy. What's wrong with me?
>>291533
/ksg/ had numerous failed projects with art aplenty
Now, I'm not saying I don't believe in ArtGuy, but these things can happen.
>>290091
I don't understand this game. It's just me sitting in an office with a bird that does nothing and a fireplace. Then there's a bizarrely tedious boss fight with Snape, and then fucking nothing for a full month of days. Nothing fucking happens I just sleep at my desk.
When does the game BEGIN?
>>291563
Click the door and summon Snape at night.
Is my servant kawaii?
im entirely willing to believe that artguy is busy with work, has catbug and a few others doing scenes while he makes 1000 costumes because it makes him happy. one day we may get 4 houses, and it will take us two months to unlock all the outfits.
anyone find any console commands or anything to make the grind in hypno-slave more bearable? after a while every fight gets to a point where i have to heal like 20 times in a row to cheese it out
>>291568
.... how much fucking time did you spent on that game???
>>291572
>>291575
I quit doing the fights because passive income eventually overtakes the losses on running by a significant margin. Also, running is probably better than ignoring as the enemy loses a level. It gets really quick once you get some momentum with the resources.
>>291579
I see, thanks for the tip
but do you think the events that give +- unlimited passive resources are intended? It feel like a bug to me
>>291579
what game is this
>>291587
thank you
Does the phoenix in the russian mod only exist to be annoying tease?
>>291590
yes don't bother
Is there a recent version in english? the russian version seems incomplete
>>291601
Im talking about witch trainer
>>291605
>date] [Auto] 3 new posts
normally it has more stuff than witch trainer:
all the contente from witch trainer + cheats + couples scenes with luna + couple scene with phoenix + more endings + a sort of side quest with the blonde bitch
What do you think is missing from the russian edition?
>>291498
So the dude is sitting on Korra's hips?
Is she pegging him?
>>291620
Maybe I just have an outdated version. Do you have a Mega link for the most recent english version?
>>291442
are you still doing the 'late release' w/ violet or did you give up?
>>291630
I'll do this release tommorow which has 1/4th of the stuff
and the moment I get my Violet content I'll finish the rest by the end of the month
>>291629
https://mega.nz/#!EoU1RaTL!8efe5Loe0AhudIqs0Tx5lhb4Kci573Q4abTu2ITeAhM
The one in the pastebin seems fine... did you press the "English" button at the bottom left of the screen on the starting screen?
>>291579
Is the game fun?
>>291646
not really unless you found it funny to transform a slave in a strange robot with a pussy and tits
way too much grind even if its your fetish (feel kinda like vanilla witch trainer mb worse in terms of grind)
>>291633
meh....
well i'll still play it, tropic-kun
>>291646
as it is, no. super super grindy with a whole ton of bloat that does nothing. whether or not it ends up being good depends on what other things the game will have, so far it's literally just a handful of corruption scenes and combat.
>>291568
What the hell am I looking at...
... do you have to fuck this thing?
>>291717
no its just your fight-slave. You use her to beat up other bitches and gain resources. +- like cock(chicken) battles
I keep getting an error about not being able to execute Hypnoslave.exe or LWHERMIONE.exe. Clearly some dumbass thing having to do with my setup/install. Anybody know what I'm doing wrong?
>>291797
There is no setup/install.
Did you unpack it?
>>291625
Hey artguy you're alive, how's progress on 4 Houses going? Anything substantial yet?
holy shit there is another type of ennemy in hypno,
it does spread damage, what the actual fuck
>>291625
grope breasts/motorboat/titfuck
40 unique sequential changes
last time I give out info you can donate a buck for, but fuck it, gonna be in the demo and it's new year's day
>>290534
Before it I fuck your mom
>>291864
She's in her sixties, be my fucking guest.
>>291867
Kek, I don't care
>>290720
Anyone want to upload the actual game to mega and not just the torrent file? There's no seeders.
Mo, when is Luna being added to Silver?
How the h*ck are you supposed to play this? The tutorial dind't explain shit. Do I just click the love hearts?
How did the girl go from reluctantly showing me her panties to letting the ugly guy feel her up without any clothing on in 1 scene?
I also don't like how ugly some of the characters are I find it repulse I don't want to see girls sexing ugly people I'm not a fag.
>>291896
>I'm not a fag
>>291896
>I'm not a fag
>>291896
You sound like a fag
>>291896
>h*ck
>dind't
>love hearts
>repulse
>sexing
>I'm not a fag
what
underage b& detected
>>291935
I'm 24
The concept of creating and customizing your own robo waifu is great but the fact that you cant sex it and the high tier items make it look like a monstrosity like this >>291568 is a major downside.
Illustrations are top notch but not the gameplay. You just grind the same scenes over and over until you get the resources to upgrade shit.
It almost scored a homebase but hey, I didnt pay for it.
whatever happened to momcest trainer?
>>291868
LOL!
Hey Khan, are you and your team making Life with Hermione, the russian spin-off of WT?
>>291970
Vaporware like most projects here.
>>291970
tropic's coder tragically died of alcohol poisoning several hours ago
>>292000
tropic is doing incredibles
TyroFlux is doing Momcest
>>291799
I just unrar'd it. The .exe files are there in both cases, and in the locations the error says. The actual error is:
"Could not execute
C:\Games\LWHERMIONE-1.0-win\lib\windows-i686\LWHERMIONE.exe Is it missing?"
Weird.
>>290729
>He doesn't know that automation will wreck the job market in 15 years regardless of what happens.
Also you stop using buzzwords you clearly don't understand, it makes you look even more retarded.
>>292007
BEEP BEEP
LUNA
Goddamn Hypnoslave is a waste of good concept.
>>291587
What scenes are these passive resources? I've got 6/39 and this really is a grind.
can someone please answer any of these questions
>is there any info on PTgold
>was there any progress made in WT silver in the last 3 months
>was there any progress made in russian mod in the last 3 months
>>292076
>>is there any info on PTgold
haha, no
>>was there any progress made in WT silver in the last 3 months
yes
>>was there any progress made in russian mod in the last 3 months
no
>>292076
Akabur streams him drawing sometimes. Seen quite a few new CG's so far.
>>291982
Nope, it another man.
>>292091
>Akabur streams him drawing
where
are there vods?
>>290720
I played it, its less then demo.
You play as copy of ginn with no magic, hermione is being fucked by everybody, but you have to change that, you go to snape and cheat him to help you. Thats all.
Fixed the mistakes that were pointed out in the last thread, but no idea how to fix the pinky
>>292100
He has a channel in Picarto.
Only the latest video gets recorded.
>all the games in OP are either incomplete or absolute shit
shigg von digg
>>291518
It's because they don't spend their hours in a continuous image board circlejerk. they log of the internet and get work done.
>>292115
Hermoines right hand is on backwards.
>>292115
It's shit
>>290720
A lightly modified broom for sensual rides!
>>292148
people love to point this out rather than drawing the correct ones
shame only linear draws things and that's with 6 months gaps where he's upset
>>291579
how the fuck do you unlock the other events.
>>291568
Ok, so body horror is definitely not my thing.
>>292235
same, I mentioned it a while back in regards to this game and people said it was a minor thing
every screen shot has some bolt or something shoved through someone
getting off on mutilated people is not something I want to try but more power to the wierdos who do
>>292291
Once you get some base items you can ignore the fighting all together. Just ignore fights, you'll take a smaller resource hit than if you lost and them items will passively make you gain more than you lose.
Also her early upgrades are benign. Clothing, armor, bigger tits, etc.
The combat sistem of hypo slave is a shit
what hell attacs in this ?
fuking sistem
The Hypno slave y verryy boooring
where is the mom character ?
is any sex scene ?
the only enemy is fox ?
>>291353
Are there any cheats ? The grind is fucking horrible.
When a new version Silver edition?
Anyone got roguelike 0.92
>>292506
check double 4 chan, HTG
What changed since .91?
I dont expect much, but info would help.
>>292529
https://www.patreon.com/posts/rogue-like-0-92-3948127
Reposting cause I can
whoever is responsible for hypno slave should stick to drawing porn and never try making another game ever again
>>292555
making games at least keeps from drawing so much mutilation shit
Can some add cheats to hypnoslave like they did with witch trainer?
This grind rivals fucking akabur I swear
The grind of Hypno slave ys a fuking torture
wich trainer its a joke in comparision
Grinding in Hypnoslave becomes much easier once you unlock passive income boosters (the animation icons shown in the bottom left room). Every one of those permanently boosts a single income type, eventually it'll outstrip the penalty you get from refusing duels.
Problem is you can't decide what type of income gets boosted, you could get a +2 boost to gold/day 4 times in a row but your mental and exp get nothing.
Speaking of RNG buttons, you can't even decide which scenes to view later on. I unlocked a bunch of new scenes but I can't even view them consistently because the icons look identical to the old ones. It's basically a guessing game. This seriously needs to be fixed.
The grind is a fuking torture
an the game is not consist of slaving a girl the game consist on
dismember and maul the protagonist to turn it into a hideous abomination
to fight again and again against the same redhead in a combat system extremely dull and uneven
A big disappointment no sex (at least as far as I could stand the boredom)
no slave training
only grinding horrible abominations fights and physical mutilation
You can not call a game hypno slave when no hypnosis or slavery or anything
boring grotesque an tedious
0/10
>>290931
hnng Would do fem-trump
Imagine when an actual game gets dropped and all we get for days are broken English complaints and asks for download links. Just like old times.
Can't believe Hypno Slave could be that bad. It's like a videogame made by people that have never played a game before.
Makes Akabur looks like Shigeru Miyamoto.
I'll say it, Akabur is a legitimately better game maker than Miyamoto.
Yes its porn, yes its bad, but atleast it's maker hasnt said the most retarded thing I have ever god damn heard; "Story is unnecessary"
>>292701
Didnt akabur say that Russian version was trash?
To elaborate, I've read that Miyamato has actively prevented story form being a part of Zelda games as much as he can, even when hes not an active part of the development team. Like he apparnently hears theyre trying to add story, decides to show up and use his authority to make them stop.
I can deal with him being an active part of it and not wanting it, but hearing the tales of him going out of his way to prevent it makes him the single person I respect least in the gaming industry, and its full of horrible people.
>>292710
>I've read that Miyamato has actively prevented story form being a part of Zelda games as much as he can
Sounds like a great guy to me.
>>292704
It is
It feels even more incomplete than the original
Okay..... just because Hypno Slave is NOT YOUR CUP OF TEA... Does not make it a BAD game... IT does have some issues YES... but IT does not make it BAD... I think it is a GAME that has some GOOD IDEAS... and some BAD STORYLINE IDEAS.... BUT... JUST BECAUSE YOU DO NOT like IT... DOES NOT MEAN YOU HAVE TO WRITE SHIT ABOUT IT.... I played it for a few hours... and like I SAID... It is NOT ALL THAT BAD...
>>292713
How could something with more content then the original be less then the original
sleep of the booze
Oh god the ellipses shitposter is back
>>292716
>dont criticise anything you dont like
Fuck off back to reddit autist
>>292716
Do you have mental problems?
>>292625
howd you unlock all those scenes? is the mom in any of them?
>>292718
Because all the added content is incomplete
Phoenix? Ends with a cockblock
Blonde Bitch? Won't even touch your dick.
That whole newspaper stuff? More fucking grinding
Not to mention you'll constantly keep encountering of untranslated bits of dialogue during all those events.
None of the new stuff is fapworthy, fun to play or even good looking.
>>292734
but...It's more then the original
So how can it be more incomplete?
>>292741
Any news on when the 1/4 demo's coming out?
>>292753
When niggers decide to answer my text messages
>>292759
So what's left for the 1/4 demo to be done?
>>292741
If you take a house and you start bulding one more floor and then you leave that floor incomplete, the house will then be more incomplete then it was before.
>>292741
Adding more incomplete stuff doesn't make the game more complete
Imagine how much it would suck if the Super Mom guy would release a build that doesn't even include Violet, nobody likes to be left hanging like that
At least there's gonna be sandwiches
>>292777
just to fix some dumb python errors and stop it from crashing
>>292779
But if you compare it to a smaller house which is also incomplete just because the house is bigger and has more floors that are incomplete dosent make it less then the smaller house, it makes it more?
fuck this is a stupid conversation
>>292783
most likely out by midnight or in the AMs then?
>>292791
:^)
I'll take any buggy/incomplete game to wash the taste of Hypno "more grinding than Disgaea" Slave out of my mouth.
>>292799
....FUCK, IT DOES MATCH DISGAEA IN GRINDING. God damn, I puke when I try to play Disgaea I'm so sick of the gameplay.
>>292716
The game ys VERY BOOORING the gring is horrible the combat is tedious en repetitive
the body horror part
this tale making anything because at no time had announced the game with these characteristics
Although he was totally unpleasant is the least of the problems the game
is a BAD game I deal with it
I actually feel kind of insulted by Hypno-Slave for some reason possibly because they actually managed to make something. While a majority of the projects here end up dead in the womb. Someone for the love of God either make something decent or revive 4 houses, we need something good, after so much horse shit.
To be fair, If they can balance the gameplay and make the body horror optional, the scenes I saw were hot outside of seeing them 100 times....
