New episode today. Vegeta vs Magetta part 2.
Discuss.
Magetta will obviously lose.
>>139143249
tfw vegeta final flash wont be drawn as flashy as he did it on cell.
>>139143249
It's shit
Pacing is shit, animation and drawing is shit due to low budget, Vegeta character regressed, constant fucking of lore (ssj aura PROTECTS you to some degree from harm, i.e. Goku stoping Trunks sword with fucking fingers but Frost pinches him with fucking needle), out of ass ideas for defeating most overpowered character (poison needle, lasers, heat, gummy bear). Bad character designs (that purple ''assassin'' is basically copy-paste design of one of DB games player character, pre-customized, Xenoverse I think, and don't forget titty-Monaka), silly plot (Freezer owning Cell, Buu, and fucking Goku in his SSJG because he trained for 4 MONTHS or so). And that's just to name a few.
This series should have never happened, Toriyama should have let it rest after GT, which gathered a lot of mixed reviews, but fuck me over, GT got nothing on this clusterfuck that is SUPER.
>>139144939
You know you didn't have to elaborate at all. No one would've said otherwise.
>>139143249
No. Fuck off with your dragonshit franchise.
>>139144939
After 36 weeks people are still on it huh
>>139144939
>animation and drawing is shit due to low budget
They hired a new series director, have been using up to three animation supervisors per episode. Toei are not lacking in budget whatsoever. They're spending the money.
This series lacks time and talent. The lack of talent is due to two things:
1. Toei's best staff are busy with other projects like One Piece Film Gold.
2. Super has a reputation in the industry now, and many staff don't want to touch it.
Blaming budget is not accurate.
>>139145341
Alright alright. Lets take some things into consideration then
Dragon Ball as a franchise (z and other series included) is the number one most popular anime and manga of all time based on polls and shit. The movies kicked ass for the most part in terms of animation. Why did Toei not put their best team on such a prize winning series?
I mean shit, dog, what's up with that?
>>139144012
ThisAnd sadly Vegeta will lose to Cabbe
>>139145736
Because it will get views even if it is shit. Also they are having newbie doing the animation, and I mean "this is their first job animating" level of newbie
>>139145736
Because Super was rushed into production following the success of Resurrection F.
Kai was ending and they needed a show to fill the slot. Rather than let the hype die, they rode that wave right through to its debut.
Did you not notice that they had nothing to show until one week before the show aired? All their promo up until that first trailer was a single shot from the opening. That show was shown raw, it was shown on screens in offices. They reused it over and over. They had nothing.
They threw what staff they could at it and by episode 5 it crumbled. Poor Ken Otsuka said on Twitter that that episode was due to an "animation collapse". They had no time.
When they realised the show wasn't going to improve, they took a giant shit on the Resurrection F arc and began working on those early episodes of the Champa arc.
Now we're into the tournament and they're just playing everything safe. They do their best to keep things on-model while barely moving the characters on screen. Speed lines and digital trickery.
The most we can hope for is a great episode by Naoki Tate in a few weeks or for a good freelancer to come in like Iseki did in episode 16.
>>139145005
OP did say "Discuss", though.
>>139143249
am fully ready for another shit episode
>>139144939
GT is still worse, your pasta is stale.
>>139146495
Are you saying that the las one was shit?
>>139146593
You're a funny one.
https://twitter.com/si000859m/status/713278745100943360
Confirmation that the manga is actually closer to Toriyama's storyboards than the anime is. In case people care.
>>139146731
For context:
Toyotaro runs his manga storyboards by Toriyama prior to publication.
This is the first page that Toriyama corrected himself.
>>139146731
All the z fags are butthurt because the dub turned z into something it wasn't. Dragon ball has always been a light hearted fun adventure. Z was that with power levels as well. It got a wee bit dark, but the change to the music and script definitely changed the tone with the dub. Super is literally going back to its roots in silly fun. Stop projecting your angst faggotry onto dragon ball. Just roll with it.
>>139146495
But that's why everyone are ready for the next episodes.
>>139146611
Not him, but Frost deserved more than being one hitted by Vegeta
>>139146611
>>139146789
am him and yea getting 1 shot was horseshit. i just want vegeta to go blue and fuck some niggers up
>>139146652
It's stale and overcooked pasta. Super being bad doesn't magically erase GT's problems.
>>139145979
life sucks huh
>>139147007
But the magetta fight is looking pretty good of you ask me, i think that is the most creative fighter of super
![snapshot_dvd_02.00.39_[2016.01.31_01.41.13].png](https://i.imgur.com/3bXQKUn.png "snapshot_dvd_02.00.39_[2016.01.31_01.41.13].png")
>>139147094
I'm not debating GT's story. It's garbage.
GT's production values, however, were very good for a week to week show. Give credit where credit is due.
>>139146731
>>139146764
>>139146768
So manga > anime confirmed?
>>139146789
There's no fucking impact in this punch
>>139147261
In terms of quality, it's certainly better, but the anime is still the primary product. The manga is simply a promo for it.
Shame, really. Hope they make the manga weekly.
>>139147279
This is DBZ meets pro-wrestling!
>>139147279
It's like he's gently pushing Frost.
I come to these trheads for the bad animation caps and webms
>>139147279
His punch produced that cheap blur and rumble effect, though.
What ifMonaka is actually weak?
>>139147398
There.
>>139146764
That makes much more sense. That kind of paneling isn't used in storyboards.
>>139147197
yea megetta not that bad, just weird horseshit where the fighters get hit and it makes the weird ass ripples and nothing happens, that shit is pissing me off.
>>139147261
>This dialogue
Someone took some liberties when translating, jeez.
>>139147261
Well, the manga doesn't bug me to look at, so I'd probably agree.
>>139147432
Many people expect that, but there has got to be a catch.
Otherwise, why would Beerus pick the Mr. Satan equivalent of planet Wagashi?
Literally anyone else could have gone in Monaka's stead.
It's probably some secret power he has, or his fighting style is embarrassing, e.g. involving his nipples heavily, like many suspect.
>>139147534
Welcome to Niggerstream's translations.
>>139147534
is it just the swearing that bothers you, or is there something else?
>>139147261
Huh.
I'm not following the manga, but does basically confirm that Buu won't be able to join even if he wakes up in the anime.
>>139147688
Will someone else translate it?
>>139147720
Yeah, they have to pass a test to be allowed to fight. I don't see why they didn't have someone else fight instead of Buu.
>>139147205
GT's is more consistent and on-model, but it too has problems with that. Most infamously there's Uchiyama's blobby, ugly bullshit that seems to have somehow gotten worse from his Z material.
Super's biggest problem is the inconsistent quality of the animation due to the horridly rushed schedule, like >>139145979 mentions. You get times like the dinosaur fight in episode 2, the latter half of Beerus vs. Goku, and most recently Jaco vs. Frog, that look better than some of the Z movies. And then you get shit like episode 5, or the god-awful parts of Frieza vs. Goku.
It'll probably get better as the series progresses since the newbie animators are clearly improving their skills (the preview for this upcoming episode looked decent), but I don't expect it to be all that consistent until at least 50 episodes in.
Considering Super's probably going to run for over 100 episodes, maybe some truly good fights will show up. But I don't see them being all that frequent.
>>139147735
Yes. Herms has done all of the chapters. I'm in the process of putting them onto raws right now.
>>139147790
The part I don't understand is why Vegeta even suggested they have the combatants do a test. The vast majority of strong people they've fought held at least some intelligence. Someone with no proper schooling like Buu would obviously be severely disadvantaged.
>>139147913
Oh, and uh, disregard the MS watermarks. I'll be removing those later on. Fuck those guys.
>>139147943
Agreed! Maybe it was a way for the writers to insert a cheep joke for the viewers.
>>139147913
You're doing God's work, anon. Thank you.
>>139147865
>Considering Super's probably going to run for over 100 episodes, maybe some truly good fights will show up.
>t-they're saving the budget for the tournament!
You don't seriously believe that do you?
>>139147865
That makes me wonder, what are the worst animators the series has had? Uchiyama is certainly up there.
>>139147735
Is it worth it? Bad manga deserve bad translators.
Does anyone know where I can watch Super today?
>>139148480
Here http://vaughnlive.tv/wgg002
Last episode looked really good. By Toei standards of course
>>139148238
>>139147865
Uchiyama and Ebisawa are the worst two. There isn't really anyone else.
The thing is, those two only have a bad reputation due to their terrible character models, and overbearing corrections. The actual animation was just fine. That's one of the biggest differences between Z and Super.
Naotoshi Shida was working under Uchiyama, for christ's sake! You never would have thought so looking at Uchiyama's "corrections", would you?
Ebisawa was totally overshadowed by Kanno by the end of the Cell arc, so his episodes stopped looking like utter shit very quickly, too.
Super has talented supervisors, but garbage animators. That is its biggest issue right now. You can correct character models all you want, but if the animation is garbage, it's staying garbage.
For reference, here's Z's worsts:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVuSDNruWvU
Example 2 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SW482kNRWuo
Example 3 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hipsCef9h14
They move, at the very least! That's far more than most of Super's worst episodes.
>>139148516
Gracia!
>>139148119
Way to not read, anon. I didn't say they're saving the budget for the Tournament, even the idea that people believed that was laughable considering what's been revealed about the schedule (and was laughable back when people were saying it, too). I doubt we'll get many any time soon, but sheer amount of episodes planned (and don't kid yourself trying to say Super will be canceled, it's doing FAR too well in merch sales and viewership for that) and the minor improvements from the animators, a broken clock can be right twice a day. Sheer luck and improvement from the rookie animators will get maybe a couple good fights. Don't expect a lot, though.
>>139148652
With World Trigger ending, there's a chance Super may steal some of their talent.
>>139148652
I didn't mean you were saying they were saving it for the tournament. I'm saying you're basically doing the same thing, looking at the trashy quality and holding hope that it'll get better.
>>139147261
I have to admit, I prefer Buu getting his own name wrong to him just falling asleep
>>139147687
Easy. Beerus doesn't know anyone strong. That's why he was so shocked that Goku beat Freeza because Freeza was the strongest Beerus knew, besides Whis of course.
Monaka is going last because Hit might accidentally kill him , making Hit get disqualified and making U7 win the tournament.
>>139147261
What are the chances that Goku actually scored 50 by thinking and not pointing at random?
>>139148692
A chance, sure. I wouldn't hold my breath for it.
>>139148808
>maybe some truly good fights will show up. But I don't see them being all that frequent.
That's literally all I said on the matter, ningen. Broken clock right twice a day. I don't see the problems Super has right now going away any time soon, but there's a chance that some good fights might come out down the line. MIGHT.
>>139148537
Very true. Oh Christ and thanks for reminding me of Ebisawa's shit. Even as a dumb kid I could notice his sloppy handiwork.
And yeah, Super's problem is that it has rookie animators on Toei deadlines. They've gotten marginally better over time, but it's still not anywhere near as fluid as some of Z's material. I doubt quality will become any more consistent until at least 50 episodes in, and maybe once in a blue moon you'll get a good fight or two out of them. Don't hold your breath for it, though.
>>139149020
Why would Beerus insist on bringing someone himself? If he needed to, why not ask Whis? That's what Champa did, after all (asking Vado0s).
>Freeza was the strongest Beerus knew
If that was the case, no wonder he'd be bored out of his mind.
But he didn't know about Buu? Damn clairvoyant oracle fish, what a fraud. Even Frieza's father knew about Buu, and feared him.
>Monaka is going last because Hit might accidentally kill him , making Hit get disqualified and making U7 win the tournament.
That would be funny and sad, but strategically somewhat clever.
>>139149161
Credit where it's due, he at least TRIED to work them out (the questions were all word problems, it seemed like). Roshi's homeschooling way back in early Dragon Ball is the only reason Goku even scored a 50.
I really hate to ask for spoonfeeding, but has someone got a site where todays episode will be streamed?
If not thats okay. I'll find it eventually, I guess.
>>139149546
Same here! I want to watch while eating pizza baby!
>>139149546
It is in the thread.
![Dragon Ball Super - 035 - Change Your Fury Into Power! Vegeta's All-Out Battle [DragonTeam][2CD6DA3B].mkv_snapshot_23.00_[2016.03.26_20.31.52].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/rE7hAOw.jpg "Dragon Ball Super - 035 - Change Your Fury Into Power! Vegeta's All-Out Battle [DragonTeam][2CD6DA3B].mkv_snapshot_23.00_[2016.03.26_20.31.52].jpg")
>>139149546
>>139149603
vaughnlive.tv/wgg002
>>139149669
>vaughnlive.tv/wgg002
Thanks, how much longer do we have to wait till it airs?
>>139149777
Two hours and 10 minutes from this post.
>>139149777
I believe 7PM EST, which is about an hour.
>>139149847
Damn! I have to wait till 5:00PM!
>>139149855
What? Yes, thank God I don't have to wait too long then.
>>139149669
I love you
>>139149956
No, sorry. The post above the one you replied to is right. I forgot that they pushed the schedule to an hour later now.
So about two hours.
>>139148010
Where can I read that scan?
>>139150226
All the Viz DB scans are up on BakaBT, I believe.
who is this again?
>>139145112
how many episodes gt have?
>>139150697
64.
Felt like 500.
>>139150670
The singer of the national anthem.
>>139150670
THE UNIVERSE IS VAST~
>>139147007
>i just want vegeta to go blue
This.
I don't understand why they're holding back. They didn't get killed by Whis training and they trained 3 years on their own, that should be enough to get used to the transformation.
It also makes me mad as fuck that they let Goku leak ki during the Frieza fight, it was like SSGSS 101. Even fucking GT's SS4 transformation leaked less ki than that.
>>139147007
>>139150951
>i just want vegeta to go blue and fuck some niggers up
because if he did he would kill them.
If Goku and Vegeta learned how to stop leaking Ki, why didn't they apply that to their non-god transformations?
Magetta's grunts are pretty kawaii.
>>139148692
>Sailor Moon Cristal S2
>Tiger Mask
Yeah, no. That's not going to happen.
>>139151283
Season 3, actually. Also Tiger Mask is utilising ass loads of CG, so that's not even a concern.
World Trigger staff coming to Super is far more likely due to many of the senior staff members being ex-veterans of Dragon Ball. Toei's philosophy so far has just been, "Oh, those guys once worked on the show, let's bring them back". Even if it means using people like Shimanuki and Yamamuro who can't animate for shit anymore.
>>139151458
>Season 3, actually.
Oh right. But even then, I'm pretty sure they have a lot of stuff scheduled and unannounced yet.
No expectations, no disappointments.
>>139147687
Could be a Jackie Chun type thing where Beerus just wants Goku to think there are people stronger than him out there so he doesn't get lazy.
>>139151631
For sure. I'm not really expecting anything, but to outright dismiss the theory isn't very fair. Especially when you can see they've made active steps to try and improve the series: extra series director, new supervisors added into the rotation, alongside recap episodes to allow more time to work.
>>139151727
Maybe, but now Beerus has to keep making excuses why Goku can't fight Monaka, as he began doing in the last episode already.
>>139151732
Yeah, I know. I really wish the series will get better animation; hopefully the newbie animators will get better and eventually start delivering some decent cuts.
>>139152204
>falling for the "newbie animators" excuse
They meant koreans at a sweatshop.
>>139152649
Philippine studios are helping, but most are just new animators, some who are literally doing this as their first anime. Check the credits.
>>139151828
I know, and it will probably unravel and be played for laughs, though Hit or someone else will probably still prove the sentient right.
>>139147698
The swearing bothers me because it's so out of place and out of character and it happens like every page.
Imagine DBS without plot-holes ,without inconsistencies, without shitty power scaling, actually explaining why things are how they are and amazing fight choreography.
I know that this is wish thinking to the fullest, but alot of series/animes who have alot of potential, lack a certain thing that makes the quality drop a fuck ton. I wouldn't care the slightest if DBS still had the shitty art if the writing was at least decent.
Don't get me wrong, the writing in Dragonball was never actually good or decent, but I'd love to see a 12 Episode anime season of DBS with actual good plot and thoughtful ideas. That way DBS could at least redeem itself a bit. But knowing how shitty TOEI is, that will never happen.
>mfw typing this
Do you think GT will eventually become canon?
>>139153149
Do you actually want it to be canon?
>>139153169
Some ideas from GT were good, the writing was god awful, but SSJ4, Baby, Super Android 17 and the abuse of dragon balls were pretty good.
>>139153247
I agree, but it wouldn't really fit at all. Since SSG and SSB were established and all. So it is highly unlikely.
When does the episode air?
>>139153333
40 minutes on this site
http://vaughnlive.tv/wgg002
does this not follow a manga, or are we just following the anime for the story?
>>139153247
I'll agree with all of those except Super 17, that was just stupid, even if the concept of the villains breaking free of Hell was pretty neat.
>>139153149
Not a chance.
>>139153405
I will admit Hell Fighter 17 was fucking stupid.
>>139148537
as i watch those clips i noticed how DBZ has much better atmosphere than Super.
there was actual tension and the soundtrack was fitting.
fuck Super
>>139153457
Yeah, that was weak. It's a shame, because Myu and Gero teaming up could have been awesome.
>>139153405
If that's the case just go watch Fusion Reborn
>>139153369
did some get the number of that bitch?
-18.
-Thank you! [from TFSA]
>>139153665
Myu needs to team up with his real predecessor and make the ultimate Truffle monstrosity.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHagITGj0pU
Hopefully Monaka isn't another joke.
>>139153054
You mean the manga. You want to read the manga. Congratulations frogposter, now you know what it'd be like.
Even Toriyama is more directly involved in the manga, as seen here:
>>139146731
>>139146764
>>139146768
>>139154018
Fusion reborn was a fun movie.
>>139154190
Raichi? Yeah, I'd like to see those two work together.
>>139143249
As a huge dragonball/z fan i cant believe how they made me not care
Fuck toei
How long until new episode?
>>139154335
I've read the manga, but I'm specificly talking about the anime, since it'll get more attention than the manga.
>>139154335
The manga would be great if it was released on a weekly basis. Would let them tell the story without having to be so brief and skip around so much.
>>139154467
960 seconds. Better start counting.
>>139154273
He will be. In true Toriyama fashion.
>>139154492
The manga literally has the same plot as the anime. The manga is a promotion FOR the anime. It's just better paced and drawn, frogposter.
>>139154273
What is Monaka's true power, though?
>>139154658
I don't know WHAT you're reading, but you sure as shit didn't read what I wrote, since your replys don't make any sense at all.
>>139154736
What the fuck did you just say to me?
>>139154736
Read the manga, it solves your complaints while sticking to the same script from Toriyama, frogposter.
>>139153369
all those spics
>>139154911
Nice buzzword you've learned there buddy. Fitting in yet?
>>139155064
Why are you upset over being called a frogposter? >>139153054 It's literally what you did.
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Do people unironically like Super Saiyan God/Blue better than SSJ4?
>>139155200
I hope Veggie wins <3
>>139155210
Do people unironically like Super Saiyan better than Kaioken?
>>139155210
No
>unironically
just say "seriously"
>>139155210
I think they're both__shit__
So, who has the better beard, Goku or Vegeta?
>>139155200
Wheres the link
OMG IT'S ON NOW!!!
>>139155384
http://vaughnlive.tv/wgg002
>>139155384
ITS STARTED GET IN HERE.
>>139155418
>OMG
stop
>>139155366
Vegeta.
>>139155366
wait, shit,wrong picture
>>139155366
Vegetable
>>139155366
Vegeta. I'll gladly worship Bulma like the goddess she is!
>>139155418
I LOVE DRAGONBALL SUPER!!!
>>139155462
Why did Vegeta and Goku get a tan in your pic
God it's playing like shit on my end.
Is anyone else having buffering issues
Or is it just my dial-up 20kb/s line?
>>139155464
Or DID you?
>magetta will lose
Shitty episode already.
Why is champa so FUCKING KAWAII
>>139155674
>>139155692
What a cutie.
>>139155560
Fuck off Champa!
>>139155692
fat ugly fuck
>>139155692
>giggle giggle.
Dat fart strat
Robot can fart apparently
the stream froze here for me
good timing
Farts
Fellow Europeans, remember that tonight we advance our clocks for summer time, but since Japan does not follow DST then all series will be aired an hour later. Have that in mind for the next episode (and for Arc-V in the morning)
Who's ready for some QUALITY?
OH SHIT FUCKING GARLIC GUN IS BACK! AND THE PURPLE!
THE FUCKING GALICK GUN WHAT
Holy fuck, when was the last time Vegeta used the Galack Gun?
>>139155915
Beginning of Super vs Beerus.
>>139155915
Against Beerus.
>>139155857
Thanks anon.
I'll be kinda weird having to stay till 1am to watch this now.
Aaaand it was a dissapointment.
HE LOST. VEGETA LOST.
VEGETA LOST.
VEGETA LOST.
There is probably some rule that will make him not lose I'm sure..
>>139144012
>>139144012
>>139144012
What was that?
>>139155991
>>139156005
No, he didn't lose!
Vegeta you fool
BASED MAGETTA
VEKEKA BTFO
this was fucking shit
Fuck, Galick Gun didn't have a chance.
What a shitty way to lose.
no final flash?
We haven't even seen Final Flash yet.
Why is there spanish people on the chat?
>>139155991
>>139156005
How? How the prince of all saiyans could lose to that thing?
Sorry my stream just doesnt load anymore
>>139155991
that was cheating
optimus prime used a weapon
Robot used a weapon didnt he
>>139156072
Because Magetta ismore than meets the eye.
WHERE IS MUH FINAL FLASH
Vegeta flop of the century.
>>139155956
>>139155949
He hasn't used the Big Bang attack since he used it again Android 15.
SAVED BY A PEBBLE!
So fucking dumb.
ROCK COMES OUT OF NOWHERE
glorious
not a bad fake-out with the ring-out
He;s on a piece of debris from the stage. jej
>he got his foot on a piece of debris
pretty sneaky there
>>139156143
How the fuck is the referee not melted alive?
This ref is the best
Is it time for final flash?
Holy shit this match is based
Poor Robochan.
>>139156215
Refs are always based.
Based Monaka doesn't flinch.Because he's dead
>>139156294
psssshhhhh nothin personell saiyan
>>139156031
HAHAHA! TAKE THAT! VEGETA COULD NOT LOSE TO THAT TPIECE OF JUNK!
These fucking spics in the chat
>>139156294
Fuck, I missed that.
Hit looks like so edgy.
Calm fucking down Virginia
>>139156349
>not using fullscreen and using your second monitor to shitpost in this thread
anon pls.
>>139156294
Hit is the only good thing to come out of Super
FINAL FLASH TIME!
Bulma fanservice episode when?
>>139156398
Kill yourself edgelord.
>>139156398
Hit is an edgy purple faggot
Why do people still watch Dragon Ball?
These past two episodes have been so fucking entertaining
Holy fuck, that thing pretty much tanked a Final Flash.
>>139156478
Why do people still watch One Piece?
Let people have their preferences faggot.
>>139156478
I'm Jewish.
ROBOT IS CRYING!
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>139156478
a myriad of reasons
>nostalgia
>being Dragon Ball fans in general
>actually enjoying the show
>>139156478
nostalgia
>>139156584
robochan T_T
>>139156583
Robot gave me life.
Robot took it away.
How the fuck did that thing tank a Final Flash?
>chat full of spics
I'll wait for subs
>>139156478
I watch it in the slim hope of seeing some Bulma nudity.
>>139156618
>>139156642
What did Vegeta tell robo chan before knocking him out the ring?
pshhh who cares kid
Finally a U6 fighter of the superior race.
>>139156583
I want the Adventures of Magetta and Majin Pooh now.
Oh shit its ssj Kabe
>>139156679
Chat full of that autistic guy spamming shit.
THAT LITTLE FUCKER IS THE LEGENDARY SUPER SAIYAN!!
HOLY SHIT. HYPE!
HE'S THE ONE!
SSJB vs SSJ Cabe, wut
FUCK I MISSED PREVIEW
JUST END ME
Cabba confirmed for going SSJ because bullied and forces Vegeta to go SSJblue.
SSJ Cabbe
oh, so the midget can go Super-Saiyan as well?
>>139146731
The manga doesn't make any sense shenlon can only grant one wish instead of 3 too much blatant fatal plot holes
Fuck Toriyama. Made Robo-chan cry. At least it was a cool fight.
>>139156421
>2016
>fan service
