- Illya was just decoy protagonist.
- It's not even magical girl show anymore.
- Everything until now was just cover up and result of actual plot.
Actual plot in nutshell:>Einzberns never existed.
>Their role in creation of Grail Wars was replaced by different familly named Ainsworth
>This causes, that Grail Wars uses no incarnated servants but class cards that can install abilities of heroic spirits on masters.
>Also whole ritual doesn't work to create artificial own grail, but to utilize natural miracle taken from family named Sayutsuki.
>Like in main FSN, all Grail Wars until now ended in total failure. With fourth one resulting in total disaster which annihilated all Tohsakas and Ainsworths, Matous somehow survived.
>Only remaining descendant of Ainsworth usurped land and continue with ritual.
>Since Einzberns don't exist, Kiritsugu never participated in Grail War, thus travels around the world to find way how fill his wish. On his travels he saves Shirou from different disaster, and adopts him like in FSN.
>When they learn about existence of Sayutsukis, they travel into Fuyuki only finding city being destroyed by unknown darkness. Yet Shirou is able save last remaining child of Sayutsukis (Miyu).
>They take of her and Kiritsugu is planning to use her to save world, but dies to unknown illness, before he can.
>Shirou then raises Miyu as his little sister, but follows Kiritsugu's order to keep her inside house, and prepare himself on fact that one day will must use her to save world instead of Kiritsugu.
>After a few years Shirou lives normal life as high schooler, spending time with his cute imouto, beautiful kouhai Sakura, and best friend Julian.
>But one day Miyu uses her miracle powers and grant own wish to become Shirou's blood-related sister. On which Shirou abandons Kiritsugu's orders, fully accept Miyu as his sister and decides take her out of house.
>However once they leave house, Miyu is kidnaped by Julian who turns out to be Ainsworth and starts new Grail War.
>Shirou then must participate in Grail War, if he want save his little sister.
When will the ride end?;_;
>>136208426
Does this mean I can actually pick this up now?
>>136208426
>- Illya was just decoy protagonist.
And this series' interest among the otaku plummets like a rock
I can't imagine Silver Link making it this far
>>136208426
Sakura canon waifu FTW
>>136208912
>Incarnated servants don't exist -> No Saber
>Tohsakas are all dead -> No Rin
>Einznerns don't exist -> No Illya
All this setting cheats and Sakura still loses.
- Illya was just decoy protagonist.
- It's not even magical girl show anymore.
So they ruined and killed the series. Great.
>>136208769
I don't think that Silver Link will want miss their chance to make own grimdark Fate.
>>136209806
No, just improved it into better Heaven's Feel.
>>136208912
How can such cheerful sincerely loving person turn into such broken caricature of love.
>>136210927
Our hate for her created that.
It will be glorious when Illya suddenly becomes relevant again and brutally kills her.
>still not scanned
>>136208426
>>136208453
Hiroyama got a little too confident and decided to try his hand at being Nasu. He is not Nasu, and the best we can hope from this is a very lame retreading of a Heaven's Feel-ish scenario, only rendered completely toothless and solved once again by a friendship speech and Illya shooting a big beam at someone.
>>136211220
did someone say beam?
Angelica was goat
>>136211150
I need my Sakura netori.
>>136208453
Are you talking about that ecchishit yuribait manga?
>>136210927
Berserker is a hell of a drug
If your ego is not strong enough, its noted that your ego can be swallowed up or completely fucked up by installing cards.
Miyu almost lost herself when she installed Gilgamesh
Also look what happened to Shinji
>>136209545
Shirou loves Sakura as a wife and Miyu as a little sister.
They are not a competition.
>>136212044
I wonder if shirou can handle Gilgamesh. Pretty sure he can handle EMIYA because they are one and the same
>>136211220
Pretty much this. And he's actually better than Nasu since he has a sense of humor, but the world didn't need another installment of grimdark Fate. Or maybe it did, I wonder what the volume sales look like for F/K 3rei.
>>136210927
Perfect wives make the worst enemies.
Is there loli fanservice still?
If not might as well drop it now.
>>136212243
Yeah i guess you wont like it right now if you're only into that.
>>136211874
>ecchishit yuribait manga
Well, it's full Heaven's Feel now.
>>136211220
>>136212121
He also clearly tries being Urobuchi.
I still want a figure of alternate Shirou.
>>136213509
I want to marry alternate Shirou.
>>136213509
Atleast we get a glimpse of just how Shirou got a tan and white hair
>>136212044
Gilgamesh is an exception among the class cards though, isn't he? None of the others have had enough ego to incarnate the way he did.
>>136208426
>Fate/Anything
>not expecting it to be about Shirou, Archer, or Gilgamesh from the beginning
how the fuck did the other shirou get so damn strong in the first place?
>>136213962
He's going to use the Archer card and fuse with his future self Heaven's Feel style.
>>136208453
God damn, this is some needless fanfiction shit. He should've either stuck with the simpler, original setting, and do a story about Illya and co. cleaning up the Holy grail in a world where the 4th didn't happen. Or went full yuri ecchii. Either one would be better than this.
>>136214010
sounds sexy
>>136213812
Well, there is even hint, that current Ko-Gil is result of some master that was completely overwritten by Gilgamesh's ego.
>>136214089
Actually it's not much more complicated settings than Apocrypha or Extra.
>>136213933
I thought the focus was on Kaleid part not the Fate.
>>136214282
Sure, but those at least give you some notion of what you're getting into right away, and then reveal their full backstories later on. This just takes a 180 turn all of a sudden because apparently the author wanted to switch up the story, it's so far off from what the initial premise was that it's not even funny.
>>136213962
Hiroyama's setting just ignores limitations as it pleases him.
>>136214384
Actually focus is on LINER part. Expect A-Rays and Aristoteles soon.
>>136208678
If you are some retarded underage fateshitter who enjoyed garbage like F/Z or FSN, yes.
>Shirou installs Gilgamesh
>opens the vault
>overload of weapons
>all those weapons to project
Jesus christ
>>136214442
Not Liking Muv-Luv level of genre shift.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9GmMSFk0Wk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqdgvPlf98k
>>136214600
I'm still thinking that Shirou finds "His own" card, installs it, then realizes 'Oh holy shit I can do that'.
>>136213812
mad enancement does things to a person's head.
so it's less the ego and more the madness that fucks the user.
>>136214563
>Expect A-Rays and Aristoteles soon.
More like expect abso-fucking-lutely nothing soon. This is the author's one fucking trick: "Hey, remember that THING Nasu wrote about once? HERE IT IS! Now let's do nothing whatsoever with it and wait until I pull this shit again with something else."
>>136214743
I would love to see him install EMIYA, but damn this is a chance of having Shirou+Gilgamesh
>>136214712
MuvLuv's genre shift was masterfully done though. First the universe changed, but you still had the same harem antics. And only in Alternative did you slowly start being introduced to the super grimdark stuff in person.
This isn't even much of a genre shift, since the early Illya parts were also very shounen action-like. It's just that the whole story and focus on the cast has randomly switched
Why remove loli?
>>136214879
>chance of having Shirou+Gilgamesh
?
>>136214969
Because author is retarded.
It was a great and fun series. Now it's another generic Nasushit about Shirou.
No wonder next anime season was postponed.
>>136215026
Isn't this arc just info dumping all about Miyu's world and all the shit he went through for her and how he got Miyu to Illya's world?
>>136214159
Why I have now feeling that overwritten master is Shinji.
Where is Illya now? Some gangrape prison? Already dead? She can't have nice things, can't she?
>>136215099
wait, where is this chapter at?
>>136215097
Yes, but who gives a shit? Who reads Prisma Illya for fucking Shirou?
3rei is fucking horrible and pretty much killed the series. Completely unnecessary edgy crap and nasushit fanservice.
>manga can't even explain backstories anymore.
Have patience, people!
>>136215144
>Where is Illya now?
Listening to this story. Everyone is at Alternate Shirou's house listening to him go over the story of Miyu and himself.
>>136215196
So angry.
Is the new Shirou the same one who only cooked?
>>136215219
Yeah man, I'm so hyped for months of this boring shit.
>>136215250
Go shitpost about Solomon in Fateshit containment thread.
Nobody wanted this garbage in a magical girl manga.
>>136215281
Then stop reading if you don't like it? Bitching on a forum about it isn't exactly going to do anything about the pacing.
>>136215097
Shirou pretty much took over all focus since he steped on scene. From that time Illya became more less irrelevant side character.
>>136215333
>Then stop reading
Most people did exactly that. Threads are 5 times slower than they used to be.
>>136213962
Kiritsugu raised him as a soldier instead of as a civilian, so he's become Archer-tier much earlier.
So this is HF of Kaleid.
>>136215411
IT'S FUCKING NATURAL. It's a flashback arc.
>>136215325
>Nobody wanted this garbage in a magical girl manga.
I wanted.
Dark Illya Arc when?
>>136215428
He really doesn't seem to be anything special when he was confronted by Julian the first time for 'stealing' Miyu. He seemed more or less like normal Shirou there.
>>136212121
It also helps that Silver Link is a lot better than Ufotable, so whenever this gets adapted to anime it'll actually be more worth watching than the FSN adaptations.
>>136215466
Most people stopped caring because 3rei is shit.
>>136215459
Yes.
>>136215539
It's possible it'll never get animated. SL did original content at the end of 2wei.
Makes sense really. 3rei is just generic FSN crap. Why would they want to animate this shit?
>>136213045
Is Illya holding fear in cube? Or just the hellraiser cube?
>>136215555
Yeah, we really needed this in a mahou shojo manga...
>>136215548
reminds me of when Rozen Maiden began its slow march to the ending.Fucking killing off Suiseiseki was just what it needed for the readers to give upnot to mention the fact that the actual ending recycles Traumend's. Only this time, Shinku dies, while the rest of her sisters are alive.
>>136215628
3rei anime was already announced.
>>136215668
I guess I should finish RM someday. I stopped caring years ago.
>>136215732
And then postponed. There isn't even any good fanservice for SL to animate. Just generic FSN shit. And plot is not fun anymore.
I don't care about a little fate stuff. My problem is the following:With no screentime for lolis how to motivate drawfags to draw loli porn?
>>136215658
That's Moon Cell core from Extra.
>>136215789
What are you talking about, nothing was postponed.
>>136215860
What? Hasn't Crimson Moon destroyed everything up there?
>>136215860
Just a theory. I'm leaning towards Pandora's box.
>>136216244
It's not EXACT same core as in EXTRA. Just same core in different world.
>>136211220
>He is not Nasu
Good heaven, no. There is a slight chance Kaleid LINER turns good.
>>136211220
>and solved once again by a friendship speech and Illya shooting a big beam at someone.
Sounds more like Nanoha.
What's miyu shirou going to do anyways, the twinblades have already been taken from him?
>>136211220
>solved once again by a friendship speech and Illya shooting a big beam at someone.
When did that ever happen? I remember her saying goodbye and evaporating into the light
>>136216735
....
>>136216735
trace on
>>136216837
Didn't they have a two page spread about how his cherished blades have been taken from him by Sakura?
![[Tsundere] Fate Kaleid Prisma Illya 2wei - 01 [BDRip h264 1920x1080 10bit FLAC][74BA25FA].mkv_snapshot_02.36_[2015.11.24_13.27.02].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/nq9eCj2.jpg "[Tsundere] Fate Kaleid Prisma Illya 2wei - 01 [BDRip h264 1920x1080 10bit FLAC][74BA25FA].mkv_snapshot_02.36_[2015.11.24_13.27.02].jpg")
>>136212805
It's the only reason to watch Illya.
>>136216868
3rei HATE LOLI
>>136216867
...
Berserker install when?
![[Tsundere] Fate Kaleid Prisma Illya 2wei - 06 [BDRip h264 1920x1080 10bit FLAC][C58F54B7].mkv_snapshot_12.55_[2015.11.25_18.35.31].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/pRYhKFW.jpg "[Tsundere] Fate Kaleid Prisma Illya 2wei - 06 [BDRip h264 1920x1080 10bit FLAC][C58F54B7].mkv_snapshot_12.55_[2015.11.25_18.35.31].jpg")
>>136215466
Go be a tripfag somewhere else
>>136215789
A date was never announced, only the existence of 3rei anime.
>>136216941
Illya is love, Illya is love.
>>136217000
They keep Berserker card for absolute climax.
>>136217000
It's going to be Angelica, turned into Illya's new maid, carrying Illya on her shoulder and fighting Thor.
![CY3lrIeU0AAahgO[しめじなめこ]ギャイトさんリクエスト イリヤ。どっちにすればいいのか分からなかったのでとりあえずプリズマの方を描き_p.jpg](https://i.imgur.com/bABVGa2.jpg "CY3lrIeU0AAahgO[しめじなめこ]ギャイトさんリクエスト イリヤ。どっちにすればいいのか分からなかったのでとりあえずプリズマの方を描き_p.jpg")
>>136217169
stop spraying her with catnip
![[Hiryuu] Fate kaleid liner Prisma Illya 2wei! - OVA [BD 1080p H264 FLAC][E0500C02].mkv_snapshot_04.01_[2015.12.28_23.23.26].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/pAN5VhY.jpg "[Hiryuu] Fate kaleid liner Prisma Illya 2wei! - OVA [BD 1080p H264 FLAC][E0500C02].mkv_snapshot_04.01_[2015.12.28_23.23.26].jpg")
>>136217169
D-don't sexualize the loli, b-baka!
>>136211053
>Ilya
>relevant
She's not even herself in this series, just a generic lolicon-pandering and randomly lesbian Nanoha clone. The author finally moving away from his shitty OCdonutsteels and focusing on the true heroine was the best thing that could happen to this series.
>>136217496
>focusing on the true heroine was the best thing that could happen to this series.
Well yes. We need more of imouto Miyu.
>>136217723
Sakura
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>>136215658
That's not Illya
Just anotber homunculus like. Illya
>>136217924
Sorry. Shirou already chosed Miyu route >>136209545
>>136216244
But this isn't Extra
From Beast Lair:
>"Fate/kaleid liner is not Illya's story, but Miyu's. Illya is simply a bystander who was dragged into her mess, and is a point-of-view supporting character.
I think that this is pretty accurate option.
>>136218222
There's no reason he can't be with both if they're all alive at the end.
>>136214572
Stay mad, pedophile.
>>136217496
>>136217723
>>136217924
>>136218222
>>136218614
Alternate Shirou can marry Sakura (if he manages to save her) and remain with Miyu as her big brother. Family Time
Illya can fuck off with Kuro back to frying pan Shirou and keep dooming him to the harem dilemma
Alternate Shirou must and deserves to win
>>136218614
Are you hoping for "Good" end? But that was in UBW not HF.
>>136218859
What I expect is gonna happen is Shirou dies during the final battle, magical girl group saves the day and the world, though. Miyu has no real reason to stay in that world without her onii-chan so she goes back to Ilyaverse and lives there for the rest of her life.
>>136218222
He wants Sakura as a lover, not a brother.
>>136218829
>Illya can fuck off with Kuro back to frying pan Shirou and keep dooming him to the harem dilemma
He is already doomed.
>>136219002
Nah, it'll end with Miyu staying in her world and then flashfoward to Illya in middleschool with a new transferstudent. This series screams self-aware cliche ending.
>>136216626
The whole Illya and Miyu dynamic could be almost said as a bit of copy and paste of Nanoha and Fate.
>>136219002
Shirou saves and marry Sakuralot, they stay in Miyuworld while she returns with Ilyia.
>>136208426
When this gonna end?
I don't want the anime adapt this entirely arc
>>136217496
>randomly lesbian Nanoha clone
She would wish to have half the guts and personality that Nanoha has.
Also, Sakura isn't that much of a character right now, only Miyu and Shirou seem to be the protagonists since like 10 chapters ago.
>>136209806
I think you mean saved the series, but oh well, to each other's tastes (of lack thereof)
>>136215789
Yeah, uh, stop posting please.
>>136219617
Fag
>>136218829
>Alternate Shirou must and deserves to win
Yes, he does, but he only deserves to win Miyu.
She is the one that has gone through hardships and the one that Shirou wants to save.
>>136210927
Does this mean that Lancelot loved Arturia?
>>136221436
Close-minded.
Shirou loves Sakura
It's fucking weird just how upset and crazy some people are about the shift to Shirou.
I can understand being upset sorta, but just not to this extent, jesus. It's a fucking comic book.
It has existed for years and focused on the little girls. Author is bored and wants to do something different.
Chill out or just stop reading.
>>136222148
He doesn't, Shirou just thought he could live a normal live without all the problems he has with her.
He still loves Miyu and is willing to go through hell for her sake.
>>136222410
Miyu is her sister. He fantasied about Sakura with wedding rings.
It's a different kind of love.
And Sakura is offering the Archer card against orders, she wants Miyu to be rescued as well.
>>136219617
>Wanting anime just to adapt cover up story
>Not wanting anime to adapt actual story.
What kind of fag you are?
>>136222198
There have been hints to Miyu's past being messed up and her brother existing for a long time. This is just a temporary flashblack to give us a concrete answer of what happened. It will soon go back to illya.
Remember that the first time shirou tried to fight, he lasted about 3 chapters and then was knocked out by Berserker Sakura.
>>136217496
Maybe but you know this is going to get axed.
>tfw still no Sakuralot fig
>>136224021
He was kind of fucking half dead from being locked up in a dungeon.
>>136214563
I need to reread this chapter, if only for ARM.
>>136222198
It's not only about Shirou. The series feels now like some other Fate route instead of magical girls like at the begining.
>>136224898
It has always been a parody with magical girls about everything that has to do with Fate.
Shirou is a crucial part of the VN so he had to appear sooner or later fighting, he is taking the spotlight only because of that. He will become a side character again once the flashback ends.
>>136224898
If you think about it, the entirety of this manga was pretty much Fate and its 3 routes. Each major arc is a route an now we're in HF. Just now it's just blatant rather than being subtle. about it with magical girls covering over it.
>>136225136
His place as "just brother" in first series and zwei was good enough as cameo. I know there were some hints about other Shirou from the start but he shouldn't have gotten so much focus.
And overall and don't like how the series got darker in drei. There was some good balance earlier that now seems to be lost.
>>136225136
>He will become a side character again once the flashback ends.
Don't be so sure. He is basically non stop on focus since his arrival on battle. It's not just about this flashback.
>>136225361
This arc is about Miyu, Shirou is just a supporting character for her.
Shirou is about as relevant as Luvia and Rin.
fluffy Shero is fucked. Both Rin and Luvia will know he has the potential to go superhero. Bitches will be fighting for lab rat, er apprentice
>>136208426
I for one don't miss the lewd lolis.
>>136225779
They will need Archer card for that. Without it he can just reinforce things. (has not even Sword origin)
>>136226012
>(has not even Sword origin)
That's not sure, unlike Miyu Shirou, he can have Avalon inside himself.
>>136225451
>This arc is about Miyu, Shirou is just a supporting character for her.
No, he's pretty firmly the protagonist and the one you're supposed to root for in this arc. Miyu so far has just been a goal and an object to protect.
I like flashback arcs but holy shit they are boring. And the situation is even worse in monthly manga.
>>136208426
>It's not even magical girl show anymore
And not even a spin off, this is too good.
>>136208426
MOTTO SAKURA !
MOTTO!!!
>>136211220
Legit tho, Nasu's actual writing level is roughly that of a dime store YA novel.
>>136227479
If that's true why was he able to make multiple internationally known stories and franchises?
>>136216244
Angelica's Cage is up in the Mooncell, at its core, and no crimsom didn't destroy it.
Mooncell core is technically unrelated to Crimson Moon, but Mooncell is something of a TYPE as well really.
Angelica's Cage is a giant klien cube in the center of the Moon, that changes depending on the observer.
Angelica's Cage is like the all seeing eye of the Moon, that has observed all things, and can rewrite all things, or something.
Within it are the records of humanity.
However the eye of the Moon is nothing but neutral in itself, if you asked it to delete itself, it would. This is because the eye of god cannot have a will of its own, otherwise it'll become the brain of god, and decide the result for itself, since its the all powerful observer.
If it starts deciding the results for itself, then humans die.
Therefore, it developed AI's to do its thinking for it, so that it wouldn't decide the results for itself, and therefore could always remain neutral. So the AI's are the white blood cells, that do all the self-confirmation and independent thought of the Mooncell.
However if an AI ever went rouge, and developed self-consciousness in the full sense of the word, developed a soul, a heart, tried to use its power for itself, then there's almost no telling how big of a catastrophe it might end up.
Except that was already the plot of CCC
>>136209545
>Miyu is just his little sister and nothing more
>Sakura is the only woman left for Shirou to take
>Issei wins anyway
>>136228024
>Issei wins anyway
I am okay with this.
>>136226012
>>136226104
>2004+12
>still not knowing the difference between origin and element
>>136215539
When will people understand Prisma Illya adaptation is good just because it's short and less heavy on the action. SL is shit too when they're busy with 3 shows a season.
>>136228509
I know the difference between homosexuality and heterosexuality, and I also know which way you tend to lean.
>>136227773
Solely off of the world-building.
>>136227773
He has absolutely great ideas but poor writing skills. Which is why most people liked Zero more.
>>136228709
>Which is why most people liked Zero more
Zero is just a drop in the hat of the countless Fate spin offs there are. Its influence is minimal.
Don't let the fact that it was the first thing you watched influence you that much.
>>136228024
>>136228271
Sorry, but there is no Issei as well.
>>136229068
Julian took over his role, before went full evil.
>>136229068
Worst universe confirmed.
You guys are fucking retarded.
Angelica is going to win Miyu Shirou.
>>136229175
Edgy Issei is so wrong
>>136224629
So good.
>>136229198
Julian is pretty much evil Issei.
>>136229594
With the way the story is progressing, I am half expecting for someone to get sniped by Kiritsugu who had been secretly scouting from the shadows the entire time.
>>136229761
>kayneth enter stage left
>>136229761
Miyuverse Kiritsugu hardly. He is pretty much dead. On other hand Prismaverse Kiritsugu... well, I think that he will not appear before grandiose return of Irisviel.
>>136229673
All moneys on Madono voicing Julian.
>>136215196
It wasn't so long ago that everyone was praising 3rei to high heaven.
We're so fickle.
>>136231072
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJ0H3tyw1SE
>>136231072
Generally, popular franchise's threads are shit.
>>136212102
I'm sure that if Miyu asked him to lover her as a woman he'd happily comply
>>136231072
because Hiroyama can't be Nasu and actually follow through on his climaxes.
Shirou vs Julian was built amazingly well and fell so flat. Hiroyama can't write non-Nanoha climaxes and it's a shame.
>There are people in this thread who truly believe the Secondary meme of people not liking stay night
This poll even had the zero recency bias going for it.
>>136232508
>can't write non-Nanoha climaxes
What does this means?
3rei is far from Nanoha kind of plot.
>>136232694
>you_gonna_get_befriended.jpg and magical beams.
Although I can't fault the last part since the solution to most things on Nasu's side could be solved by Excaliblasting things as well.
The problem mainly lies with Hiroyama trying to get the slightest bit complex with his plot points but then resolving them in the most generic and boring ways ever. It was fine pre-3rei since things weren't as serious but If he's going to try to step his game up and write a Type-Moon story then he needs to actually follow through with it and take risks instead of falling back and playing it safe.
>>136232830
>you_gonna_get_befriended.jpg and magical beams.I think that's one of the best part of Nanoha actually.
But I see what you mean, he is trying to make things too dark and complicated for them to be resolved like that. I'm still gonna give him the benefit of the doubt until this arc is finished, maybe he can surprise me at the end.
>>136232830
>>136233060
One of the biggest themes in Nasuverse is that you can achieve a somewhat happy ending but be prepared to sacrifice something to get to that point. So far, Illya hasn't given up on anything so yeah I can see why it's Nanoha-like.
>>136232574
This poll didn't have any Prisma Ilya characters included. I recall I had to write in Kuro manually.
>>136233311
She most likely never will give up anything since the whole point of this series is that Hiroyama wanted a setting where Illya was happy.
3rei is honestly probably something he just wanted to do on a whim but didn't really plan things through fully.
>>136226012
> he can just reinforce things
His "reinforcement" always was a shitty way to use projection. He can't have one, but not another.
>>136234553
Actually, reinforcment and projecton are things inherent to him because he has UBW. Else he wouldn't be able to use them
>>136213962
This Shirou lived in much harder times.
>>136235146
Well, yeah, you are a bit more accurate.
>>136210927
It's because her affinity with Lancelot is far too good for her own good.
Both of them are devoted to people wholly too "pure." Lights that shine so bright it burns them and distorts their devotion into hatred.
>>136214572
Stay mad, pedophile.
I hope Silver Link collaborates with Ufotable to work on 3rei, since I highly doubt their style will work on the grimdark bullshit the manga is going to.
>>136228709
>Which is why most people liked Zero more
Thanks for reminding me why I don't come to /a/
>>136236475
I just want to see Seiba Rin with Sakuralot going twice as crazy if they fight because her nee-san and Arturia boner goes off.
>>136208453
>story is about Sherow again
Fucking dropped. If I wanted to read about Shirou's Suicidal Adventures I'd read FSN. Why do this. Shit was actually good before they fell through the rabbit hole.
>>136237227
of course it does
>>136237482
Author got bored of lewd lolis, now into lewd swords.
>>136233549
Yes, but that doesn't mean it doesn't fall flat as fuck. The fact that the characters are overpowered as fuck by design also makes them a terrible fit for Nasu-style plotlines.
Shirou's struggle is both personal and physical. "My body is made of swords" is both a metaphor for his mentality and literally what his fucking power is. Point is, every single one of his battles has a common element: he gets his shit fucked up, he bleeds like it's a Saint Seiya arc finale and he wins by the skin of his teeth. He's always the clear underdog.
Ilya's battles end by having her use her extraordinary innate magic capacity to channel the powers of her overpowered dimensional-molesting stick while occasionally borrowing powers from her make-me-Servant-tier-at-will magic cards to beamsplode the enemy into bits. It completely lacks the tension required to make a satisfying battle because we already know she's overpowered and we already know what this shit will boil down to at the end.
This worked when the series was a tongue-in-cheek Nanoha parody, but somewhere along the line Hiroyama got into his mind to make a serious story that the characters he had set up could not possible execute competently.
>>136237715
something something decoy protagonist
>Flashback
>Hurr Durr now my husbando is going to be the MC
>Oh noes my lolis dropef
Lolicons and fags are so paranoid.
>>136237729
And that's why we have SHirou here, to suffer in her place.
He gets have Ilya be perfect and have her magical friendship bullshit, well also trying to tell a darker story.
It's a fucking huge swerve and probably won't pay off, but it should at least be slightly interesting for a bit.
But I wanted Heaven's Feel feat. Illya and shit as protag, not HF again in a manga.
>>136232027
Not really.
Shirou sees her like a sister, and she sees herself as a sister. He loves Sakura romantically. End of the story pedofag. She won.
>>136222410
This may be hard for you to grasp, but Shirou loves Miyu platonically: she's his family. He loves Sakura romantically.
Miyu will be the flower girl in their wedding. Maybe maid of honor.
>>136237227
They just need to modify the character design a bit. They all look like a baby.
People shit on UBW destroying Takeuchi's design but SL did the same thing on Hiroyama's too.
>>136237729
I wish it stayed as a parody. Also Shirou shouldn't be able to use UBW at all since his origin is not sword. Unless by some reason he still got avalon inside his body.
>>136237952
This can't even be considered a HF parody since the whole point of HF was the relationship between what is ideal and what is reality and how much friction exists between the two.
You know very well none of that shit is gonna be present and Illya will save everyone.
>>136238013
Superficially, it is. Obviously Hiroyama won't go through Nasu's philosophybabble.
>>136209545
There's Rin and Illya now and Shirou doesn't give a fuck about them. And also, Shirou in FSN denied his feelings for Sakura because she was Shinji's little sister and was going to break the bro code. Remove Shinji and he freely fantasies about her.
Saber and Rin had absolutely no chance if Shinji was taken out of the picture because Shirou would have given Sakura special attention before the Grail War which was what happened here. Rin was just some distant idol/fap material and Saber didn't exist.
>>136212044
She's not really acting like Lancelot, or she'll be after Saberfaces. It's the ME.
>>136238087
>There's Rin and Illya now and Shirou doesn't give a fuck about them
Wow, he doesn't particularly care about two people he just met a few hours ago.
Goddamn you wormfags are stupid.
>>136238055
He's going through it because the two core ideas of prisma illya has always been illya being happy + random Nasu callbacks/references.
Take away all the Type-Moon shit that Nasu himself will probably never go into detail about aside from maybe random materials/Q&A's and think about what separates this series from any other Mahou Shoujo and there isn't much if any at all.
>>136221821
I thought it was obvious he did. It's in the Einzbern Consultation Room and Garden of Avalon. Gwen and Lancelot both loved Arturia more than each other.
>>136237997
Only fluffy Shirou's design needs a fix for the transition to 3rei really and I doubt that's going to be hard to do.
>>136233376
Prisma isn't that popular to include them.
>>136238170
I used to think the same but then they moefied Bazzett.
She still somewhat works but there's really no reason for her to look like some generic high school moeblob instead of the grown muscle wizard she is.
>>136238134
And this is different from FSN Shirou how? Rin was a stranger, Saber he met for the grand total of a few days.
You're still avoiding the issue: the only real obstacle Sakura had romantically weren't Rin or Saber, but Shirou cockblocking himself because she was his friend's little sister.
>>136232574
>Thinking people likes Saber and Archer because they like FSN
>>136238134
Rinfags still salty she lost the Shiroubowl
>>136238207
Also Bazett will always be broken inside forever in Prisma Illya since there's no 5th holy grail war;_;
>people hating on Miyuverse Sakura
Shit taste knows no bounds. She earned her victory. Rin's going to win fluffy Shirou.
Also you're deluded that Shirou is the MC, this is just a flashback. The series will be scheduled back to mahou shoujo lolis later.
>>136238332
>Rin's going to win fluffy Shirou
Keep dreaming fag, that one is Luvia's property. Rin is a lesbo anyways
>>136232574
My favorite character is EMIYA and I prefer Zero to FSN. What now?
It's like saying people prefer Frontier to the original Macross because they like Sheryl over Misa and Minmay. Jesus, you're retarded.
>>136238259
not him but Rin was always someone Shirou put on a pedestal and Saber is a person that just generally shakes Shirou down all the way to his core at first sight, romantic feelings or not.
>>136238259
>And this is different from FSN Shirou how? Rin was a stranger, Saber he met for the grand total of a few days.
Because they went through a series of trials and tribulations. They are literally at the point right now that's the equivalent of Rin sitting him down and explaining what the grail war is.
Like seriously, you're being ridiculous.
And it doesn't matter what actions led, or wouldn't lead to Sakura winning, since you're creating some sort of bullshit what if scenario that didn't happen. In one universe, Shirou fucks off to London and doesn't care much at all about Sakura.
>>136238372
Rin is the only one who got a side story that portrayed their relationship in a serious way. Luvia's affection for Shirou is portrayed as a comic relief.
>>136238299
Rin wins the Ilya-Shirou.
>>136238375
You realize people could vote on the character's iterations right? If that many people preferred zero how come Saber (zero) is no where in sight and how Gilgamesh (zero) couldn't even hit 2500 votes?
>>136238376
Rin was his fap material and idol. She was never his girlfriend candidate. Even after UBW, their relationship feels kind of shallow and shakey.
Saber is indeed his ideal, but this Shirou abandoned his ideal BEFORE the Holy Grail War. He's HF Shirou, only for family rather than his love interest. The Shirou who WOULD murder the fuck of his ideal.
>>136238386
>still salty
Shirou himself said he's loved SAKURA for years, he just denied it. He denied it because of Shinji, which allowed him to open out to other options. Rin is, in this scenario, a rebound.
>>136238461
You realize that people would always vote the option who will likely win, right? You're stupid. I voted for FSN Saber as third character but FZ Saber is my favorite.
You're stupid and in denial that FSN generated even half of the buzz in Japan as FZ did. As someone who traveled there, I can guaranteed it's deluded.
>>136238411
>>136238400
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>>136238470
He loved her as family, like Taiga. That's why there's no trepidation about getting with Saber, or Rin.
Rin, in this scenario, is actually literally nothing, because she didn't exist in Miyu-Shirou's world. He doesn't know who the fuck she is.
Man I fucking swear, wormfags are the only ones who try and fluff up their girl into being the most "canon" of the bunch.
>>136238546
Sakura is the canon waifu
>>136238509
>normies going through the effort to rig a poll instead of just casually voting on who they like and being done with it
I don't think I'm the one being deluded m8.
>>136238314
How's she broken inside?
>>136238470
>Even after UBW, their relationship feels kind of shallow and shakey.
Shirou gets to live his dream while also getting a happily ever after with her.
>>136238546
>He loved her as family, like Taiga.
No, he saw her as a woman and he tried to deny his attraction. See the scene in the kitchen which is present in the common day 1. He thought he loved her as a family, but he always wanted her, he self-denied himself because it was 'wrong'.
Rin is nothing either in FSN. Just some idol from school.
Saber, on the other hand, is Shirou's soulmate I agree with this. But the Shirou who would choose his ideal. Rin is the forever rebound girl for a Shirou who can't never be with his ideal or the girl he can have a normal girl with. That's probably why UBW doesn't focus on romance, she's just secondary in the grand scheme of things.
>implying wormfag
I'm an Ilyafag who doesn't like her pairing with Shirou. Series Ilya, not the defanged magical girl dull version.
>>136238601
Right and I'm sure Guinevere and Lancelot also made Arturia happy as they said they would.
Posting a cap of Rin saying that isn't the same as showing it happened. You can pretend it did, I just pictured Shirou died and never saw Rin again, and she married some rich guy like the equivalent of Leo (who she wants to marry in a side manga).
It feels like 3rei is taking a long time to explain anything. Sure, we finally learned what caused Miyu to be who she is and why Julian was such a lunatic, but this whole flashback arc is slow.
>>136238711
Who cares about any of that shit. We want more purple.
>>136238470
>Rin was his fap material and idol. She was never his girlfriend candidate. Even after UBW, their relationship feels kind of shallow and shakey.
That's just weird Nasu Logic at work
Uro: It isn't a relationship fueled by instinct like the relationship between a man and a woman, but a romance of logic between two people who need each other from the heart. I think the Saber route could have been told as a story through the ancient Greek views on love. That's what makes Saber's story so refreshing, and why she's become such a popular character. On the other hand, I think the true heroine of Fate/stay night is Rin. In the Rin route, an equal relationship with a woman who's become stronger than men is depicted. Rin and Shirou mend each other's weaknesses with their own unique strengths, and I think it makes for a very nice relationship.
Nasu: It's true that Rin is different from Saber. Rin is written as a completely different gender. She also has a sort of pride in the fact that she's a beautiful girl. With a girl like that by his side, even an unsociable person like Shirou loses his presence of mind.
Basically Nasu wants Shirou x Rin to be less 'lovey-dovey' romance and more of a partnership sort of deal.
>>136238711
I'm personally just waiting for it to wrap up the flashback so I can read it in one sitting. God knows having to deal with waiting for this each chapter.
>>136238708
That's a scene specifically written by Nasu that tells you outright what their future is gonna be.
Do you think Rin's musings at the end of HF are wrong? Do Shirou and Sakura break up, and shit goes bad?
If you do, hey, that's your fanfiction, but we have the original author outright telling you as blatant as can be that they get a happily ever after.
>>136238573
Even Nasu says FZ is better, anon. Give up.
>>136238657
Calling yourself an Ilyafag is just a bullshit way to try and deflect the fact that you're trying to start a waifu war for Sakura.
Rin is someone who Shirou was into before the start of the VN, and even saved his life right at the start of it. He remarks how he can never repay that debt.
What's more is that she's the one Archer puts his hopes into protecting Shirou from going down the path of being a CG.
It's also fucking funny how people like you downplay the romance in UBW. It's not the center stage of the narrative, but it's plenty there up until around day 12-13.
>>136238756
>That's a scene specifically written by Nasu that tells you outright what their future is gonna be.
No, it doesn't. I read his diary so you can't fool me with "B-But Nasu said." It's a scene he wrote with Rin assuring him to have hope.
>Do you think Rin's musings at the end of HF are wrong? Do Shirou and Sakura break up, and shit goes bad?
No, because the whole point of the route was for them to have a happy ending. Nonetheless, you're free to imagine it happens. It doesn't bother me. Nasu, in Sakura's case, did say something about changing the ending to make it happy.
While in UBW, the point was for Shirou to accept the consequences of his path and choose it anyway, paralleling hard with Saber. That Nasu included Garden of Avalon to reinforce the parallels between them (visually BROUGHT by ufotable too) should have been obvious that his future is bleak. He accepts it happily. That's why he can advance.
>>136238742
That doesn't sound like what Nasu wants. You're quoting what Butcher sees it and Butcher also says Rin isn't Shirou's equal in another interview, unlike Saber.
All that Nasu confirms is that Shirou faps to Rin. She's an attractive girl, but doesn't look like he even considers their relationship beyond physical attraction. Kind of like UBW VN.
>>136238760
>Trusting what the mushroom man says ever
>>136238849
>No, it doesn't. I read his diary so you can't fool me with "B-But Nasu said." It's a scene he wrote with Rin assuring him to have hope.
Nasu literally wrote that they get a happily ever after. You can't fucking bullshit this. Saying shit goes bad is your fanfiction.
>While in UBW, the point was for Shirou to accept the consequences of his path and choose it anyway, paralleling hard with Saber
The entire thing about Shirou, particularly UBW Shirou, is that he can do better than those before him. He can do better than Kerry, he can do better than Archer, he can do better than Saber in this case.
He can forge a happy future. If you want to think things go bad though, by all means, but don't force that narrative when it's not there.
>>136238907
What is the point of your image about an irrelevant DW stream, anon? Unless you actually believed the trolls in /fgo/ rather than Nasu himself.
>>136219073
>middle school
>not high school
>not having Illya and Miyu mentor a new pair of magical girls
>not wanting Fate/Kaleid Liner Prisma Illya StrikerS
>>136238974StrikerS was shit though.
