Post your favorite villains
Kyubey is a mid tier villain according to that, but he's one of the best of all time.
>>144276284
Not quite
>>144276284
don't put too much stock into charts that are just "my tastes > shit > your taste"
Could oberstein be considered a villain?
>>144276199
Tiers are shit and any of those can be good if done right.
>>144276199
>revenge high tier
>changing sekai high tier
Fix this
Favorite villain. Rank him.
Ainz did nothing wrong, he a good boy.
>>144276199
That picture is hella stupid. The quality of a villain has little to do with whether or not you agree with their motive. As long as they are made to seem human and you can relate to their angst, I'd consider them to be well written characters.
Villains who are driven by petty or even juvenile desires can be in many ways more 'human' than the hero that sets out to stop them. Additionally, sometimes all a villain needs to be is a plot device, sometimes you're not meant to understand them, and that can be ok, take for instance cthulhu, or hannibal lecter, or the devil.
>>144276199
Charisma is the main thing that really makes a villain great or not. Antagonists are a different story though, because once you start making a villain sympathetic with understandable motivations etc, they stop being so 'villainous'.
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The sister
>>144277361
don't know where "i just want to be with my wife" fits, but it's probably pretty low
>>144276199
>Machiavelli
>evil
keep reading Rousseau fucking lefty
>>144277555
>Villain
moshi moshi shabbos goy desu
Lex Luthor is an example of elder god.
>>144277361
Great-tier.
>Waifu dies
>Has to continue his work in order to start instrumentality so he can be with his waifu again
>>144276932
No
Father from FMAB, Light from Death Note
>>144277744
Most sources sees him as a villain, but he fits the highest tier of villain according to OP: his motives are so pure and reasonable that we can't even really call the guy a villain.
>>144277555
Why didn't it end there? The alien arc was just a terrible idea.
The bestest
>>144276199
I'm really liking Betelgeuse.
>no squealer
Being a good villain should have nothing to do with motivation and everything to do with entertainment value. What is a villain with perfect motives and actions when every time he's on screen you want to fall asleep because he spends 10 minutes explaining his master plan like an idiot, and then getting rekt in 2 seconds.
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I think this is one of the better villains in any story in general. There may be many bones to pick, but as far as animu/mango goes, he's pretty relatable.
>>144278408
Griffith isn't really a villain though?
>>144278390
You're supposed to learn from the villains, not be entertained by them. What good is an entertaining villain, if you don't even learn how to craft masterful traps and execute innocent townspeople?
>>144276284
>but he's one of the best of all time.
How?
He's implied to be one of many incubators that are all just following their "make more magical girls" script and it never implies that QB is somehow unique among them.
The whole magical girls decrease entropy thing is also probably the worst example of some retarded pseudoscience motive in a good anime.
>>144278377
But his only crime was loosing.
>>144278390
A good villain creates conflict within the story in a way that feels meaningful and not contrived. They also help to expose flaws within the protagonist(s) and/or their own motivations.
The kind of villain you describe sounds like the one you find early on in shonen manga and LNs where they are basically glorified pins just setup to be knocked down by the hero.
>>144278497
He is the big antagonist and definitely a villain, particularly since you're told the story from Gut's point of view.
>>144279065
Griffith might as well be a hero from a narrative point of view.
Don't know where it would fit on the chart but I love villains who choose to be villains because their county/people need someone to hate and the villain is actually so good he sacrifices himself for the people
>>144277450
Shouldn't he be considered an anti hero or something?
>>144279272
He's a mysterious figure who had all his friends killed to save his ass, was jealous of the main character until attaining godhood and seems pretty self-centered. At the least, he seems to have ulterior motives; he's a good character, but a villain, nonetheless.
>>144279591
What villains are like this besides Zagato from MKR?
I like villains who are evil because they're bored.
>>144276199
Kotomine Kirei is the best Villain of all time prove me wrong.
>Was a big influence on turning the Main Girl bad
>Helps the protagonist(who is the son of his biggest rival) all the way to the end by by teaming up with him to kill the other bad guys.
>Never lost his goals in life and becomes the final boss despite helping the protagonist as he fights the protagonist despite being half dead already.
>Lost everything in the final battle but instead of crying and shouting he congratulates him for beating him
>You find out in the Sequel of F/SN that he was right all along
Those who did not see Heavens Feel cant comment
>>144278021
The only good character in re:zero~
>>144277698
It has less to do with being right wing or left wing and more to do with most people disliking sociopathic and psychopathic behavior and actions.
>>144281011
>In the Sequel of F/SN that he was right all along
Eh?? Nani???
Superficially a villain but underneath a hero, as she wants to beat up Yuzuko, the true villain. Natsuo from Teppu is very misunderstood both by characters in the story and by many readers (seems to be common), as many people /characters believe she's just an asshole who's enjoying herself and don't see much else beyond that. Her behaviour and actions make sense and there are subtle reasons for them, not all of them are subtle as for example one reason to why she wants to beat up Yuzuko is that she dislikes her. A subtle reason for why she wants to beat her up is thatshe projects her brother onto Yuzuko (Natsuo hates her brother and by beating up Yuzuko, she'd feel "absolutely sublime", as she once thought). Another subtle reason I believe is thatshe's able to see a part of herself (as well as part of her past self) in Yuzuko, things which she dislikes about herself (such as beating up people for her own selfish reasons/her brother’s sake) which then makes her dislike Yuzuko. I think Natsuo is a well written character as she has layers to her which make her appealing (the superficial one included) and complex, as well as there being subtlety to her and the way the story is told.
Also, some of the facial expressions she makes I think are absolutely great, such as this one in pic (top panel) as it alone is able to convey her complex emotions in a subtle way. In this case,because of her past with Sanae she feels regret and guilt, but at the same time she did what she did for her beloved brother who she wanted/wants to help and so she still puts up a facade just like that time she beat Sanae down in the dojo when they were younger. I also believe the reason for the facade Natsuo puts up is because she doesn't feel like she deserves Sanae's forgivness.
>>144276199
Lelouch is the best villain
>>144281011
He's literally just a psychopath.
It's the literary equivalent of saying "he's just that way because I say he is".
The absolute madman, DOKTAH VER!
>>144276199
Arguably not a vilain at all but whatever.
>>144281411
>villain
I think you mean Messiah
>>144281336
>Kirei wants Angra Mainjew to be born
>Shirou wants to kill Angra Mainjew because he knows 99% it would be evil if it was born
Angra Mainjew turned out to be a decent guy in the end of F/HA thus making Kirei correct.
>>144281487
He is the messiah but for most people in the series he did end up being he villain
>>144280144
Lelouch
>>144276199
Reminder that "villain" is not the same as "antagonist".
Simply opposing the protagonist is not enough to make one a villain. Thus you can have a "villain protagonist" or a "heroic antagonist".
>>144276199
So according to that picture, he's a meh tier? I'd have to disagree. Although Johan's true motive can be implied, they are by no means justifiable. Motives with respect to morality do not make a villain great.
Furthermore, that picture fails to take into account more complex characters: either those who may have villainous attributes or villains who have a multitude of motives.
In any case, Johan is probably my favorite villain.
I'm glad this chart recognizes Makishima as god tier.
>>144281411
Sure, he was ok. But the Lelouch who browses /a/ is one of the worst to have ever existed.
>>144278377
Squealer wasn't a villain, though.
>>144276199
>Villains whose motives are a mystery and seem almost insane at times.
>MEH TIER
Well I disagree.
>>144276932
He's a piece of shit, but not a villain. Honestly, I don't believe that there are any villains in LoGH.
I'm glad this chart recognizes Truth as god tier.
>>144281675
>One of the few characters in anime that are legitimately pretentious
>Good in any way
I mean, seriously. All he does is quote authors and philosophers.
>>144278012
Good, but Pucci and Valentine are better.
>>144281811
Eureka Seven AO? Did not expect a character from that sequel to come up, hell haven't even watched the whole damn show yet.
>>144281851
Don't bother finishing it, it was a joke pointing out that the placement on the chart has 0 bearing on the actual quality of the character.
>>144281675
obviously
>>144278012
Why do people like Kira so much?
>Above All Others Tier:
Villains who make the hero do horrible things. Just for fun.
>>144281976
Charismatic and well written. He's just a very enjoyable villain, that's all there is to it.
>>144281832
You obviously failed to realize what his goal was and the motivation for it, aslong as the obsession with books about societys / fleshed out characters.
>>144276199
>Every NTR villain is at least god tier
>>144281832
Pretentious means there is no meaning behind the words. If you read up on all of those philosophers you'll see that him referencing them actually fits the situation really well. Also his whole character is incredibly deep and complex to point where I see few people that loved the shows even understood all of his aspects. The guy was a genius who stood for so many philosophical morals and was a man suffering in a system where he felt that he and everybody else was so alone. I could go on for hours about why Makishima was one of the greatest characters of any story ever, and I've experienced hundreds of stories like other philosophical masterpiece like Ancillary Justice and Dune.
>>144279959
>friends
nope, they were never his friends, just tools to make his dream come true, this was pretty clear between the band of the hawk and Griffith.
>>144282224
Not anon, but despite the fact that he said that explicitly, it may not necessarily completely true. After all they wouldn't be sacrifices if they didn't mean anything to him now would they?
That's the complexity of his character. Because in the end he felt his ambition was more important than his comrades. Camaraderie is a complicated theme in Berserk.
>>144282172
>Pretentious means there is no meaning behind the words.
I know I'm being a fag here but "pretentious" just means they're pretending to be something they're not. When a line of dialogue is "pretentious" usually that means the writers (or the character themself) is trying to seems smarter than they actually are. Lots of things are pretentious, and it's not always bad or out of place.
But yeah I dropped PP because of that faggot.
>>144276199
Guts.
>>144282438
All of the philosophers he quoted fit exactly what he meant and stood for. His dialogue was smart and actually did mean something. I just can't get behind your beliefs
>>144282580
>Anti-Hero
>>144281391
>she projects her brother onto Yuzuko
After thinking about it some more, I think it makes more sense thatNatsuo came to see Yuzuko as someone who was able to replace the role which her brother once had in the past, that being the one who praised and accepted her for who she was (though her brother didn't really accept her as he was jealous of her, but to Natsuo it seemed like he did until he finally told her how he really felt). Natsuo sought and had trouble being accepted by her peers and so when her brother praised her and “accepted” her, she began to love her brother and look up to him(this would explain the “yuri” imagery in the manga and emotions she feels towards Yuzuko).
>>144277174
His motivation is that daddy didn't love him enough as a child. not revenge
>>144282609
If it had meaning then it all went over my head. I would never rule out the possibility that I'm just dense.
>>144281809
>>144276199
some real elder god right here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fX8Kc8gnPnU
>>144282916
Eh, Trunhit's not really a villain, just an asshole
>>144282818
I don't want to be an ass but yeah it definitely blew right over your head. To be fair some of my favorite anime analysts like Anime Everyday missed the whole show's point.
http://the-artifice.com/psycho-pass-the-ethics-of-an-ideal-society/
This article should give you a decent idea of the shows incredibly subtle meaning, but even it misses stuff.
>>144282818
Basically, each arc of Psycho-Pass is themed around a specific philosophical and ethical issue. It's a sort of "issue of the week" structure. All of Makishima's quotes are from philosophers or characters that involved themselves in the issue of the current week, as it were.
>>144276199
>>144283170
This.
Each villain focuses on a bunch of philosophical question that all strangely connected to each other from arc to arc.
>>144283037
>>144283170
neatI'm still never gonna finish the show.
>>144283293
Your loss. Just save that article for when you realize just how much you're missing out.
A shame most people in /a/ won't even know who this glorious motherfucker is.
>Maquibro
>Evil
>>144282630
Here's Natsuo acting likeYuzuko replaced the role which her brother left, due to what I've mentioned and because of her having a brother complex. Yuzuko was also able to become a replacement since she was also able to hurt Natsuo, which her brother used to do and which made Natsuo into a masochist (at least towards her brother, which I believe is because she didn't want to loose the brother which she looked up to and loved who also "accepted" her, so she didn't want to believe the reason he was hurting her was because he disliked her, so she intentionally deluded herself into believing it was only an act of love to not taint the precious image she has of her beloved brother).
>>144277698
>Power
>Having sides
step it up goy
What about the red comet?
He does what is best for the family. Also he stops the Magic World from being way more crazy then it already could be.
>>144277888
He tried to end but the publisher would not let him.
>>144283037
>the shows incredibly subtle meaning
>subtle
lol. m8, I think the point where the characters turn towards the camera and relay both the issue of the current arc and their own motivations regarding that into the viewer's face disqualifies it from it being "subtle". Pic just one of many related instances.
Hamdo - chaotic evil done properly
>>144283411
Lecock made Dougram a great show
>>144283698
but he's the true hero
>I am the only one who's earned that right in the entire universe! I alone have the right to judge all of humanity!
Rau was too good for this world
Marder from Panzer World Galient
>>144278021
great voice actor, great scene but wouldn't he considered shit or meh tier?
Honestly? I really like him as a Villain protagonist, even though the second OVA isn't as good as the first, Geist Himself shines all the way through the entire series.
>>144276199
Favorite villian, but shit tier tbqh.
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Hat guy
>>144285298
he's just 2gud for gundamus
>>144276199
GRIFFITH
>>144277361
It's not a great villian or a great character but he does have some motivation and you can see that he loved Yui really fucking much (he changed his last name to Ikari for fuck's sake) but he was quite selfish and, well, plain bad some times.
Also, i know that they said it in EoE but, why was he so distant with Shinji? I don't remember.
>>144285157
All Geist did was essentially pest control to pave the way for new colonization.
He's a hero, a true hero.
>>144285467
>Understandable motives
>Excellent character design including mech
>Badass
Elder God Tier
>>144281809
>He's a piece of shit, but not a villain. Honestly, I don't believe that there are any villains in LoGH.
Earth fuckers?
Jew Planet guy playing both sides like a good Jew?
>>144285578
Point taken.
>>144282224
That doesn't matter. They're still people who trusted him.
>>144278021
>>144281212
Of all the villains, you choose this meme character? You truly areslothful
>>144281413
>"he's just that way because I say he is"
As opposed to any other form of characterization?
>>144276199
This chart is retarded.
I'm actually a demon
Actual answer isAlbert Maverick
>>144276932
He's a fucking dick but yet, he's right somehow.
>>144278946
>A good villain creates conflict within the story in a way that feels meaningful and not contrived.
This really falls under entertainment value. A villain to be entertaining needs to have good characterization, be credible as a threat, and generate meaningful conflict.
>They also help to expose flaws within the protagonist(s) and/or their own motivations.
This is a matter of personal taste. You can have a perfectly good villain whose goal may simply be power for powers sake, but has good characterization and moves the plot along as a credible threat.
Good motivations certainly improve a villains ability to perform, but in terms of importance to the story, being a credible threat, and characterization, are more important, than motivations.
This Jewish fucker being an asshole because Jesus Christ cursed him when he pridefully said that his wizardry was stronger than God's miracles.
>>144286271
>>144277555
Did nothing wrong.
>>144278021
He's literally shit tier but a stupidly hilarious one
>>144282124
Valentine>all
>>144276199
Greatest villains always win.
Marquis Albert de Blois from Gosick was a pretty good villain.
>>144281011
He's voiced by Nakata Jouji, of course he is
Nice dubs btw
Not animeYET[/spoler] but
>>144284110
There was straightforward stuff and subtle stuff. Don't let yourself get distracted by what's infront of you and let it distract you from the true meanings.
>>144287873
Or did you miss that theme from the forum arc because you were to busy looking at the obvious
>>144276199
These tiers are fucking stupid. There are plenty of great villains who are pure evil.
>>144287980
They're still a good baseline.
>>144281460
I want my chicken.
>>144276199
How the fuck is machiavelli evil?
>>144285467
Mid tier at most. He is mearly being lead by causality to his future.
>>144288522
In the spirit of the series, technically everyone is, so that's really not a complaint.
He really just wants a fucking castle, and so far the world loves him and so do Apostles, who for the first time fight alongside the humans.
Not sure where to place him, he has his noble ambitions, but his means to achieve Falconia are pretty evil, and he sees nothing wrong with sacrificing and employing monsters.
I like Kirei. He just wanted to be happy.
>>144276199
What the fuck does he fall under?
>>144288940
Mid i'd assume.
>>144288940
hero
>>144288940
best character
>>144279959Wait until he sacrifices all the citizens of Falconia to summon God
>>144279959
>What is the omitted chapter and the 'Idea of Evil'
>>144285578
Rubinsky wasn't really evil, he just had a different approach.
>>144289523
Is that canon?
>>144281630
Motive is only one facet of what makes a villain. Johan was a complex character whose motive was something he was raised and ultimately burdened with. It's hard not to sympathize with someone that was never taught a moral ground to begin, murder was in his nature. In the end, his motive wasn't inherently wrong either; he wanted to kill the man that bred his evil from the beginning.
>>144284023
>En
>Villain
The only villain isHole
>>144288940
Great Tier according to the chart, though it's not revealed until Hitagi End.
>>144277698
> friends keep talking about Machiavelli's the prince like it's the bible of evil
> get interested
> read it myself
> reads like common sense
> not even sure if it's the same book my friends are talking about
Is it just me or was Machiavelli just a utilitarian.
I don't know if he's a villain or not, but I love his arc.
>>144276436
Nio-ssu needs dick in her holes.
>>144291401
The Prince is a satire
He basically took the playbook of the Medici family and slapped a sticky note on it that read "Here's how you be a good villain"
>>144277698
The Prince is often considered a stealth parody due to the fact that Machiavelli often goes out of his way to promote Republics as states where the common man would gladly lay down their lives and the only way to break a Republic is to completely destroy it while at the same time making princes seem like they are duty bound to be assholes.
>>144293246
>>144293244
Parody or not the Prince is Stalin's favorite book. He kept it on his bedside.
>>144281521
The Manjew in HA is not the "real" Manjew. Avenger was the boy who was forced to take the place of All the Worlds Evils, which was never real but people wished for it to be real to put the blame of all bad things on it. The grail was trying to grant the wish of those people from the past by birthing a real source of all the world's evils.
>>144289577
He prolonged the conflict resulting in millions of deaths just for power and profit.
>>144276199
>>144293104
Yeah, but he might be considered one who "reluctantly does evil things because of the situation he finds himself in" or "is retaliating against misdeeds done to him."He was always kinda fucked up, but he only really became an "antagonist" after he got his arm blown off and the Church hired him. And even then, he didn't go "all the way" with his evil commitment.
>>144293312
I see no problem with this.
He was a bro, and his Gundamsexuality was great. Plus his MS looked good. He was still alot more likeable than the A-Holes.
>>144293536
Nigger went from a Flag riding partiot to MISTER BUSHIDO.
I'm half convinced his brain jumbled up from the first season's finale.
>>144276199
Char Aznable is considered as villain, but he isn't a villain. His victory could prevent all the horrors of F91, Victory, and later events of tominoverse.
>>144293419
He did do one very devilish thing, though. He destroyed his naïve friend's perception that the strongest warrior is the most honorable.
