2003 is better than Brotherhood. I watched 8 episodes of Brotherhood (even skipped a few because it apparently slows down) and none even remotely had the heart and soul of the original series.
2003 looked more modern Art-wise
>muh minority opinion
No one cares, why make a thread
>the heart and soul of the original series.
In the first 8 episodes, all it lacks is the god awful, unnecessary filler padding out the start of 03. Take off your nostalgia goggles, preferring 03 when it diverges from the manga is one thing but thinking that shitty filler is 'heart' is pure delusion.
>>144244722
Because its better than making a Best Girl thread like 90% of the board
>>144244470
>2003 is better than Brotherhood
t. hipster
>>144244766
I just watched 03 last year so I dont have nostalgia for it. Filler isnt exactly a bad thing, but with this shit its the other extreme where its not taking any time developing compelling story or characters
>>144244470
Why do people keep dismissing the manga?
>>144244769
Is it though? I mean is it really?
Brotherhood was a cheap cash grab. They should have made it a movie series picking up where the two animes diverge at Greed.
It's not like The Father and all that bullcrap had appeared yet in the manga. They could have done it. The only inconsistency is Sloth. But they could have killed her, or done something else to incorporate her. Or just said there was more than one Sloth.
>>144244811
There's like 3 other boards entirely for people to go to jackoff to anime girls
>>144244470
>I watched 8 episodes of Brotherhood
So the episodes quickly covering the 2003 plot?
>the original series
lol
>>144244808
We didnt. This is an anime discussion.
>>144244806
Because it was years after 03 and the manga, most of the audience is already familiar with the start of the story. Why would they bother taking excess time to retell it? It develops everything just fine in any case.
>>144244860
But people never praise the manga. They keep comparing the 2003 version and the Brotherhood version.
I ended up liking them both for different reasons, but the first dozen episodes or so of Brotherhood are really rough. There's a definite attitude of "THEY KNOW ALL THIS SHIT ALREADY, JUST RUSH THROUGH IT GO GO GO!" which really hurts it. But once Greed shows up and the story becomes separate from the 2003 anime, it becomes fantastic.
But while FMA2003 is treated like a character drama first and foremost, FMA:B is a lighthearted action show first and foremost. Like I said, I ended up liking them both equally, but even if you have a clear preference for one over the other, they're both still great shows that are worth watching.
This is why nostalgiafags ruin everything
>>144244878
No it doesnt. Brotherhood lacks polish and attention to detail that can easily be seen by comparing the first episodes of both series.
2003:
Starts out showing their mistake but not the events directly afterwards. Cuts to them going to Liore. Alchemy is fully introduced by fixing the clock and is explored further by their conversation with Rose. Al is then revealed to not have a body followed by the final scene where both the concept of the Philosopher's Stone is revealed and mentioned (as well as the 'Other Side') and Ed is shown to have an automail arm/leg, dubbed the Fullmetal Alchemist.
Brotherhood:
Roy: "So, any luck getting your bodies back?"
I stand by my statement.
>>144244470
Manga>Brotherhood>>>>>>>Horse shit>>>>>>>>>>angsty piece of trash 2003 filler
>>144245060
The open alligator mouth points to the thing that's better, not worse. Your entire post is backwards.
I hate it how retards use truth as bait sometimes.
>>144244886
Because much fewer people read manga than watch anime, and anyone who's read the FMA manga knows it's better than the 2003 AND the Brotherhood anime.
>>144245101
If you are blind then sure
>>144245019
>Brotherhood lacks polish and attention to detail that can easily be seen by comparing the first episodes of both series.
Well those episodes of Brotherhood are speeding through those plot points because 03 already covered them fully. It's after the first encounter with Greed where Brotherhood starts its stride. I do agree that the start of Brotherhood hurts the series' overall quality.
>>144245336
Its more than that, though. The emotion and feel that the original 03 has isnt matched by Brotherhood. Just a random example I like to give is how they were scared shitless of seeing their teacher since Ed not only became a state alchemist which she despises but performed human transmutation, yet in Brotherhood they go knocking on the door with almost no remorse. Stuff like that that Brotherhood lacks is why I enjoy 03 more along with the polish and attention to detail. Its feels much more realistic
>>144245164
This. The manga is on a different level than both anime versions.
The fuck is happening. Both series are good, you don't have to choose one over the other.
>>144245478
This is the internet. You always have to choose
Why don't people just merge brotherhood and 2003 FMA in their anime folders?
>>144245499
Says the fucking /v/-tier faggots. Both are good, there's no reason to argue.
>>144244769
But making another thread about shounen will help right? You fags have all of the generals, and a good 10% of the board. I don't even participate in CGDGT threads and I fucking hate that excuse.
>>144245543
Eh, I like having discussions comparing different art mediums.
>>144244820
You mean 2003 fanfiction was a cheap cashgrab. They could have easily wait till the manga ends and adopt the whole thing instead of detach from source material and lost in filler land.
>>144245610
>They could have easily wait till the manga ends and adopt the whole thing instead
Do you even know what anime is for the nips?
>>144245457
>Its more than that, though.
It's exactly that. Brotherhood's opening is rushed. Moments don't have the time they need to breath and have the audience emotionally invested. Doggirl was done in one episode. It gets better, but the series as a whole is much lighter.
>>144245587
I could make some seinen threads next time then? Also 10% is a seriously low number to even be complaining about. Its the 90% moe stuff that should be cut down if anything
>>144245653
It's not like FMA would have stopped making money whether it's on 2003 or 2009.
>>144245610
So if it doesnt follow its source material then its filler by default?
>>144245587
FMA stands head and shoulders above the shounen series that get discussed to death on /a/, though.
>>144245685
>Also 10% is a seriously low number to even be complaining about
Apparently the mods don't agree with you because that's why we got /qst/. Maybe if we keep bitching about shounenshit then we'll get a /jump/ board and we can exile all the shit manga.
2003 definitely had more thought and care put into it.
Brotherhood had the more "entertaining" plot but was basically a battle shonen by the end.
>>144245672
They had 64 episode to develop the characters and they had done it fine. One or two rushed moments mean nothing.
>>144245754
Yes.
>>144245844
>>144245543
>everyone has to have the same opinion as me!
>there's no reason to argue!
Why are you even here you fucking turbo faggot
It was great until it started doing its own thing
Why all the characters look so anorexic and gloomy all the time in older version?
The sins in 03 were way better than the sins in 09.
2003 was better because Hughes gets no screentime in Brotherhood
2003 is better. Don't let the contrarian posters put you down. Their defense is "i-it follows the manga better!!" So, why not just read the manga?
The other defense is "Brotherhood had a better ending!!" 2003 had the movie would was absolutely beautiful and tied up the story flawlessly.
Just always remember the golden rule of anime: First is A L W A Y S - no exceptions - best.
>>144246136
The 03 movie was OK didn't he just get alphonse into our world and winry is still in the alchemist world? I can't remember it that well.
>>144246208
>I hate his opinion but can't think of a good response. Better just meme my way outta this one again.
Smdh familia
>>144246208
>BHfag BTFO
>s-samefag!
Retard.
>>144246136
>First is A L W A Y S - no exceptions - best.
Polyphonica.
Which you've probably never heard of.
>>144244470
How about you finish Brotherhood first? You're comparing like 30+ episodes of the original and saying it accomplished more than ~8 episodes of Brotherhood.
I would hope that 30+ episodes accomplished more than a mere 8...
>>144246089
Wrath was fucking stupid in 2003.
>>144246136
>03fags say Brotherhoodfags are the contrarians
>Brotherhoodfags say 03fags are the contrarians
I don't get it, who is the majority?
>>144246368
No he wasn't he had closer ties with the brothers being the dead son of their teacher.
>>144244920
It's weird because I saw about 10 episodes of the original, so I wasn't even close to getting to the divergence point, but I had no problem being engaged in Brotherhood's first 12 ish episodes. I thought the pacing was fine and I liked all of it. Sure it wasn't as engaging as when the series really took off after around when they encounter Greed, but it was fine considering it was the beginning of a long story.
>>144246231
>>144246243
You faggots think shitposting on /a/ will convince anyone of you shit taste? Good one.
>>144246422
Those dubs won't help you here anon.
>>144246422
>gets BTFO
>s-shitposting!
>s-shit taste!
Relax friend. You weren't even born yet in 2003, so I can understand why you are so frustrated. Your taste will develop as you get older.
>>144246440
Neither will those off by fours.
>>144246385
Brotherhood obviously. Since when nostalgiafags are in majority at anything?
>>144244470
2003:
>better designs
>better color palette
>better storyboarding
>better comedic timing
>better OST
Brotherhood:
>A story that isn't fucking retarded
I guess Brotherhood wins slightly.
>>144246513
It's still pretty retarded ed won by hurling a rock at the bad guy.
>>144246477
>Relax friend. You weren't even born yet in 2003, so I can understand why you are so frustrated. Your taste will develop as you get older.
Nice projection but I was there when the 2003 version first aired and was mad with my brother when they aired the final episode. Both of us picked up the anime because of the manga and got betrayed by BONES because they didn't follow the manga. So I think it is you who have shit taste here, anon.
>>144246565
You realize fma was a monthly chapter manga. The 03 anime didn't follow it because the slut author only did a chapter a month.
>>144246121
Hughes is a minor character. He overstayed his role in 2003.
>>144246565
>mad with my brother when they aired the final episode
hahahaha
>he didn't like the ending
What a fucking pleb
Ed/Rose was a more interesting concept than Ed/Winry.
>>144246410
And that was dumb.
>>144246533
>implying you weren't hyped
>>144246604
It doesn't really matter. They could have not end it right there leave room for a season 2.
>>144246629
That ending is garbage. Apply yourself.
>>144246477
Relax man. No need to play age card to people who don't share your opinion.
I really just prefer the manga and Brotherhood from a writing perspective, it's all very tightly-woven and everything feels intentional, you can tell it was planned out from the start.
03 has its merits, and if you care more about visual direction I guess there's that, but it's a lot more haphazard and doesn't hold up as well upon inspection.
>>144246721
I would have loved to have seen a season 2 for 03 anime. Ed slowly having nightmares of the sins and realizing he has a brother in another world, figures out who Hughes was before he became a nazi, both ends trying to figure out how to reach the door of truth to get back to each other.
But a man can dream.
>>144246764
It's thought out better because the author picked apart the 03 anime and went from there. She was stuck for months trying to figure out how to get out of writers block.
I watched FMA 2003 after reading the manga. Ed there definitely didn't act like how he was in the manga. More like your typical angsty MC who needs special attention in every moment.
Anyone know if it's worth downloading the FMA 2003 BDs? As far as I know it was produced digitally so it probably isnt a huge jump in quality
>>144247033
Early 2000's anime will always look like shit. FLCL is literally the only good looking one.
>>144247222
Yeah but does it look less shit on BD
>>144247243
>upscale
You tell me senpai.
Well done, 2003, well done
HOWEVER
The one thing I cannot forgive about Brotherhood is how they fucked up the Ishbal War flashbacks, by condensing an entire manga volume into a single episode.
Brotherhood is too fucking PG
The only stuff I dislike about FMA (2003) is the following:
1. Dante
2. tranny Wrath
>>144244470
t. nostalgia fag
>>144244470
The reason Brotherhood is so popular is simply because of the strenghts of the source material. The story, characters and twists in the manga are so damn good that you'd need to go out of your way to fuck it up completely. Brotherhood is a decent adaption but nothing else. It doesn't add anything of value and doesn't enhance the experience overall, it just doesn't fuck it up.
2003 had more work put into it, wish they would've reused the amazing soundtrack.
>>144250343
2003 was fucking filler garbage, and detracted from the source material leading to a garbage ending. I don't care how much effort went into it, Brotherhood was superior in every way
>>144250401
I disagree, most of the original stuff introduced was pretty neat. Last 4 episodes were a bit on the weak side but Ed finding himself in munich was a good surprise.
>>144244470
>a shitty filler better than the real thing
Hahaha, fuck off.
Why do all the characters in the new version have fat faces?
>>144245870
keep crying
>>144250987
way are the 2003 characters so edge as fuck
You're wrong but okay.
Manga>03 bits that covered the manga>Brotherhood>>>Shit>>>03's made up bullshit
This is undeniable objective fact.
>>144251592
why are all the brotherhood chars worse then the 2003 characters?
>>144250401
>filler garbage cause it didn't follow the source
>worse because it didn't follow the source
>your argument is that all you have to do is be the source
Fuck, since Brotherhood is worse then the manga, both anime are shit and the manga is the only worthwhile part of the series.
also 2003's ending was thematically perfect in the series and in the movie. Brotherhood's ending was garbage. Difference.
Fucking Nazis, holy shit.
It's been years and still makes me laugh.
Sounds like you have shit taste bro.
People only like Brotherhood more because of recency bias. Everyone will know 03 was superior in 10 years.
should i watch FMAB sub or dub?
>>144244470
I agree, but the manga is better than both.
2003 is more ambitious in its goals in regards to tone and story flow, but absolutely failed in its execution and attempts to create interesting original characters. In terms of visuals, it's also simply superior.
The manga/Brotherhood feels a ways more typical and safe, but is completely solid in all regards.
While I appreciate the artistic merit of 03 and what it wanted to be, I can't in good conscience say its better just because it Tried.
>>144244470
Brotherhood is an overall better put together story *especially the ending*, which that alone makes it better than the 2003 "oh let's make Envy a stupid dragon, fuck up KEY characters and send them back to WWII.
It's how the story was meant to be told, get over it already.
>>144255539
???
>>144246611
>He overstayed his role in 2003
Another point in favour of 2003
>>144244470
I agree, but most of us who agree aren't autistic enough to discuss it so that is why most people think we are minority.
>>144244470
Absolutely right. Brotherhood is trash.
>>144255861
>We're right but we can't explain why we're right and that's everyone else's fault
Why is this allowed?
>>144255539
but like, someone tell me please
As someone who watched Brotherhood first I found 2003 boring. The filler episodes didn't help at all. I prefer the Tucker and Hughes episodes from Brotherhood. Their deaths were very impactful on my first watch. The english dub for 2003 was far inferior.
>>144255539
Dub
>>144244470
I disagree but I respect your right to hold an objectively wrong opinion
What kind of pussy ass faggot calls the Homonculi 'the Sins'?
>>144245457
>Its feels much more realistic
No it doesn't. 03 Has a lot of stupid and unexplained bullshit and only seems more realistic due to being somewhat darker as a whole.
>>144247033
Its decent. Some shots look like no effort was done on them but others look crystal clear. Its a mixed bag but ultimately better than the 480p versions we currently have. The 5.1 surround english dub audio track is amazing though
>>144258378
Then what exactly was unexplained in FMA 03
>>144246136
>movie would was absolutely beautiful and tied up the story flawlessly
I liked 2003's artstyle more as the faces looked really blocky in Brotherhood. I prefer my twinks, thank you very much
Who cares, the manga is better than both in every way. You wouldn't even be able to watch the 03 anime or Brotherhood if it wasn't for it.
>>144244769
Your /v/ is showing.
>>144260086
None of the anime manage to capture the expressiveness of Arakawa's artstyle, but I think Brotherhood did a much better job. I didn't like how FMA03 tried to turn Ed into something of a conventional bishie, when the entire charm of his character design is that he is not one.
Brotherhood has based Bradley as Wrath. That's the only thing I need.
>>144262373
I hate how the 03 anime tried to make her seem important.
>>144262373
Is that Casca?
>>144244470
كوم بي
>watched 8 episodes out of a 64 episode show
>judging show
at least finish the whole thing you faggot
>>144262610
It felt like a fanfic author pushing aside the canon heroine for his special snowflake OC. And then the movie had her doppelganger, who was even more tragic and more snowflakey.
>>144263346
A fanfiction author who despised the main heroine. Ed and Al leaving Winry forever without saying goodbye always seemed so out of character, especially when you think about how important she is to the Elrics in the manga. The contrast is just extreme.
>>144264123
Characters acting OOC for the sake of drama and tragedy is one of the staples of the first FMA anime.
>>144245019
It's like that in the manga, too. The first half of the 2003 series is I think 3 or 4 volumes of the manga. Most of those remembered scenes are just a couple pages in the manga. Nina, Hughes are single chapter characters pretty much. Grande Basque is just randomly mentioned, yet in the anime he's given a much bigger role. He was eventually shown in the manga during the Ishbal backstory, though.
>>144244470
2003 has much more focus on edward. This is a problem because he's one of the worst MC's ever and literally any other character in the series would have made a way better protsgonist.
Dur to this 2003 is instantly bullshit and brotherhood is way better
Brotherhood just seemed so corny, but maybe I liked EDGY
I like 03's style and atmosphere more, it also had a better, more bittersweet ending. Brotherhood was just shounenshit. The manga was great of course but I feel shouldn't be part of the argument.
If you pretend the manga didn't exist, then everyone would say 03 was the better series.
>>144255485
Brotherhood ended 6 years ago.
>>144259274
you're fucking kidding right?
>Why are the homunculi's personalities the 7 sins?
>what happens when an 8th person attempts human transmutation?
>Why in the fuck does Wrath get Ed's limbs? What are the chances that of all the things in the gate, Izumi's baby gets them?
>If all those things inside the gate are botched transmutations, why aren't there more homunculi running around in world?
>How is Sloth representative of sloth as a sin?
it's actually pretty bad anon. I enjoyed it 10 years ago but it was also one of the first anime I watched.
>>144244808
Because it was shit, with a predictable finale. 03 deviated from the manga and made it better.
>>144244470
>I watched 8 episodes of Brotherhood
The first 13/14 episodes are the same as in 2003 but a little more rushed if you didn't like that you're basically saying you don't like 2003 as well
>>144271005
Are you just that ignorant
>>144269782
>it's different so it's better
nice garbage taste you have there
there is absolutely NOTHING wrong with a traditional story with a happy ending, much less one with a perfectly executed climax, resolution, and conclusion.
If you can't feel an enormous sense of satisfaction during this scene then you have pretty stunted emotions anon and I pity you.
>>144271506
The manga got a lot more shonenshitty as time went on. The final arc was just what you'd expect out of one of the big 3, power of friendship punch included.
>>144271811
nice meme response but I'll take a trope-filled story over a heavily flawed one any day.
see
>>144269399
'03 is also pretty unrealistic in how forgiving the brothers are. They work with Scar and Tucker like chums despite what they have done.
I just don't like how 03 dismissed most of the side characters involvement with the plot and decided to focus on Ed and All making a two man army shit (actually more like an one man army since All was as useless as everybody else).
Especially when the main attractive of FMA as a whole are the side characters. They're all very rich and each had their part in the final product. Just because you perceive a story as more mature doesn't exactly means it's better.
Also Mustang best boy.
>>144269782
>03 deviated from the manga and made it better.
You're kidding right?
The ending makes no sense at all.
>>144271811
>power of friendship punch included.
You mean power of anger and sadness because his brother literally just sacrificed himself.
Have you met best boy(Ling) yet op?
>>144244470
>(even skipped a few because it apparently slows down)
>none even remotely had the heart and soul of the original series.
No fucking shit you retard, you skipped episodes without knowing what's in them.
>>144273660
IIRC he shows up at like episode 15 or 16
they're honestly about equal. 2003 has better openings though. i like brotherhood a bit more however
>>144274824
2003 has a better ost period don't even try to debate this
>>144275197
Eh, '03's OST just felt boring and some of the music was overused.
>>144275251
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwzAEwzUI8ki win
>>144275320
Win what?
>>144275380
the internet argument senpai
>>144275407
Eh, it's still a boring song and towards the end of the series it was used a bit too much.
I mean, they could have used something else than that when Sloth died. Looking back on it the music ruined the moment.
>>144275579
back to /tv/ you contrarian
>>144272674
yeah I always joked how 2003 should have been called brotherhood since it focused way too much on the 2 brothers
>>144244470
Brotherhood is better paced and ended much better than 2003, but 2003 was still a really good series.
>>144275612
>contrarian
Yeah because it's impossible for someone to have that opinion unless someone has the opposite.
Seriously though even when it was airing on TV here I felt the same way. That scene would have been better without music in all honesty.
I've been on both sides of the fence on this argument but as of now I really enjoyed both series. I still prefer brotherhood over the 2003 but they were both great.
>>144275814
Watched both as they aired
2003 > Manga > Brotherhood
The 2003 series was highly rated for the longest time, until shonenfags (who make the biggest western fanbase in anime) watched Brotherhood and started shitting on it relentlessly.
>>144275902
>The 2003 series was highly rated for the longest time
That's because FMA is an entry tier anime.
>>144244470
03' is my favorite. I like the art better because it isn't all happy and colorful, and it has the best OP of both series, Rewrite. I realize it diverges from the manga, but it diverges in such an awesome way. I LOVE the fact that instead of corny 7-deadly sins, the homunculi are actually corrupted dead bodies that alchemists tried to bring back. Having Ed and Al actually go through the emotional struggle of fighting their own mother was great drama IMO. Most people who like 03' over Brotherhood tend to prefer 03's darker and more hopeless atmosphere. There's nothing wrong with happy endings, but for people who want a bit more out of anime, a sadder but more realistic ending is more appealing in the feels department. I for one loved 03' and recommend it first for any anime fan.
>>144276067
>I LOVE the fact that instead of corny 7-deadly sins, the homunculi are actually corrupted dead bodies that alchemists tried to bring back.
The problem there is that they all represented their sins except Sloth so it just made her stand out horribly among them.
I mean, why was she even named Sloth anyway other than the fact they needed one?
Also the series had a tendency to forget about other characters other than Ed and Al and throw away previous themes and such set prior.
>>144276222
yeah that really bothered me about 03
>>144276222
Well remember, the manga was still ongoing, so they started some shit but had to improvise later. That is one of the reasons I love 03' is because in terms of anime original endings it's probably one of the best for how little manga source material it got. Arakawa actually worked with the 03' crew and approved certain decisions of plot changes. In all honesty, I preferred the story following the brothers more closely, I mean isn't that kindov the whole point overall is the struggle of the Elrics?
>>144276692
>I mean isn't that kindov the whole point overall is the struggle of the Elrics?
Eh, the theme was more about how your personal struggles can affect the people around you and that you aren't alone.
>>144271811
>power of friendship punch included.
Pretty sure that was just a savage angry beatdown to the guy who's been an asshole to an entire country for multiple generations.
>>144272674
Well I think Brohood shows a lot of maturity for maintaining the side characters relevance throughout the story.
>>144246604
Don't call her a slut you faggot.
>>144276067
wow I actually saved this from 2010
>>144277777
Why has no one made a webm of that scene.
Also it just hit me that Ed is a hell of a lot smarter in the manga/brotherhood than he is there.
What's the best release of FMA 2003?
I want to rewatch it
