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So i was playing the VN and dropped it 2 routes in as it sucked ass and fap bait scenes were constantly shoved in.
Watched Fate Zero and this..
It's like the guy decided to actually make use of the damn premise this time without the corny shit you'd see in the VN.
How must it feel to have a side story work far more intresting than your main work?
>>144141505
>dropped it two routes in
Actually you didn't play the VN and only watched Fate/Zero, but then UBW came and you were super excited but it didn't live up to your expectations so you assumed that the VN was the same way. Then you watched a YouTube montage of the worst scenes from FSN 2006, and that was enough to confirm to yourself that the VN is shit, since you had "played" two routes. The only reason you're making this thread is because you feel guilty about not playing the VN, and you heard HF was good, so you want us to get you hyped for the movies since you lost that hype with UBW.
How accurate am I?
>>144141505
>fap bait scenes were constantly shoved in.
What ?
>>144142579
Nah, I feel the same as OP. It's pretty shit. F/Z is better.
>>144142980
>not realta nua
>>144141505
>fap bait scenes were constantly shoved in
Go away Shirou. The swords everywhere are not fap bait universally.
>>144141505
>Dropped it 2 routes in as it sucked
If you put over 100 of hours into the VN, clearly you enjoyed it dumbass
>>144142980
>Win10
>Chrome
>Zerobaby
End you life, Ricky.
>>144142579
The only reason f the fate van suck is because a single route can't not stand on it own
Oh boy! Another bait thread with shitty bait, can't wait until this gets 500 replies.
>>144146651
>bumping it
Kill yourself you complete fucking idiot
>>144145614
>100 hours
>2 routes
Nah 30 hours max.
So how the fuck should I get into the Fate world? Play the VN's in launching order? Or just be a filthy secondary and watch the anime (in airing order)?
>>144141505
Only underage shounenfags like the first two routes of F/SN. It's commonly agreed that Sakura's route is the one thing that makes the VN worth reading.
>>144147728
Just play the VN.
>>144148319
HF is shit.
>>144141505
How is zero in any way interesting?
>haha idealism is bad wow amazing commentary
>>144148676
>idealism is bad
That wasn't the theme at all...it was criticizing utilitarianism. Quite the opposite.
>didn't even play the best route that made the entire VN worth it
>>144148319
>Wormslut
The only redeeming factors are Saber ALter, Kotomine, Ilya & bad ends.
>>144146553
>because a single route can't not stand on it own
I agree, every single route DOES stand on it's own. Especially if you didn't watch Fate/Zero first like a fucking retard.
>>144148857
Which something FSN already did.
>>144149735
*which is
>>144149712
Not him and they do not. If you read them out of order the story doesn't make as much sense. The way the story is told takes into account that you've read the routes in order.
>>144141505
>and fap bait scenes were constantly shoved in
You did two routes so that's like, what, 3 scenes?
That's shoved in for you?
>>144149862
>Not him and they do not. If you read them out of order the story doesn't make as much sense.
>The way the story is told takes into account that you've read the routes in order.
There is no possible way for you to read the story OUT of order.
You unlock the UBW route by playing Fate, and you unlock HF by playing UBW.
You can't just skip to UBW or HF.
I'm glad for that. You don't have to read the same kinds of interactions.
>>144141505
While I agree with you that Fate is a medicore VN, this is clearly bait
>>144149938
My point is that they do not stand on their own.
FSN is one continuous work consisting of three chapters, the three routes are not like three different novels.
>side story
This statement is mostly correct, but know that Nasu did oversee most of the work on Zero's creation and approved of it. It is canon at this point.
The VN has it's place, but has been largely overshadowed by the 'summary' work that is Zero. The medium is easier to digest(24 episodes@10~ hours versus the 20+ hour VN), and is also more visually appealing. The arguably worst part of the VN, the eroge, was cut as well from F/Z & UBW. Maybe the VN was good when you were 12, but you are 23 now and have hopefully matured to the point of acquiring good taste. If not, sorry about your shitty taste.
I'll just leave this QUALITY here as perspective for those looking to read the VN and those that don't remember it.
>>144150166
How is that QUALITY?
honestly most of the spin-off stuff like Zero, Prisma, Extra, Apocrypha is better than F/SN
Only Nostalgia babbies genuinely believe the VN is as good as Zero
>>144149712
You baiting me? Right?
>>144150320
Apocryphal killed itself when they started to push for sieg and Jean shit
>>144150473
Only secondaries believes Zero is as good as the VN.
>Fatefags defending this piece of shit
I bet you faggots like Fairy Tail too
>weak bait thread that fatefags yet again respond seriously to
Please I'm begging you learn to spot obvious trolls. It's been insufferable since 2014 with all these shit threads getting hundreds of replies because you people are so gullible.
Why do you all keep taking such easy bait? Is it really that hard to just ignore the retards and/or trolls?
>>144142980
>Anki
僕の黒人だろう
>>144141505
Like most Wapanese storytelling the VN is an example of "Great idea, Pisspoor execution"
All three of the routes are pretty great but take about a million years to get started because Nasu can't into pacing. Once the war gets going it's a pretty wild ride... but to get there, SURE HOPE YOU ENJOY 20 HOURS OF SHIROU PRATTING ABOUT HIS KITCHEN
>>144150166
>Nine lives blade work scene is QUALITY
maybe the art but the scene itself is pretty good
>>144150766
Thanks for bumping a troll thread. And with such an unoriginal apologist explanation too, this definitely needed to be on page 0.
I swear to Christ why are you idiots so fucking gullible?
>>144150875
Cause terrible as it is, It's better than I WANNA SNIFF TSUNDERE X5329'S PANTIES
>>144147728
Just watch Fate/Zero and stop there
It's pretty great and stands on its own
Faggots will say otherwise
>>144150633
No because it full of friendship power and plot armor
>>144150931
I agree
>>144141505
Which FATE should I watch if I've never seen anything about the series besides fanart ?
>>144150914
This shit is unbearable and it's been happening continuously for over two fucking years now. I'm sick of it. I can't believe mods have let it continue like this. 2 fucking years of the EXACT same shitty bait threads full of the same shitty trolls.
>>144151464
Watch the fate zero then stop.
>>144149938
>You can't just skip to UBW or HF.
Realta Nua, you silly nigger.
>>144150766
Honestly who reads that shit? If it's not relevant I mash through it.
>>144151464
If you actually care about getting into it properly read the VN for F/SN. If not, then why bother asking? Pick something at random, it doesn't matter.
>>144150931
I think knowing the story of FSN makes watching Zero more enjoyable. It's not worth reading through the whole VN though.
People here have been telling anyone that would listen that the FSN VN is better than Zero. I finally finished it recently, and I don't know if these people are suffering from nostalgia or hipster elitism but it's just not true.
>>144151865
How is it not? It is a much more complete account of Shirou's growth as a hero, and just the general concept of heroism, since it features 3 routes each of which is meant to portray a different angle. It is definitely worth reading through the whole VN if you want the F/SN experience.
F/Z is just an addendum and that's why knowing the story of F/SN makes it's more enjoyable.
Fate Zero is more MATURE because it has ADULT characters and a GRIMDARK setting written by the butcher himself! Did I mention it has ADULT characters?
This is a MATURE anime for INTELLECTUALS.
>>144151962
>F/Z is just an addendum and that's why knowing the story of F/SN makes it's more enjoyable.
Not necessarily. F/Z prologue is a good enough world builder to give you background information on the war, some families, and introduces the means in which heroes are summoned and the origin of the war.
And if you want more background information, it is listed on the extras in the Blue Ray downloads
I can see how a person who's been subjected to FSN would appreciate Zero more, but Zero honestly stands on its own
>>144152061
I definitely agree F/Z can stand on its own I just think it's thegateway fate anime of the worst kind
>>144152172
but f/sn is the most gateway entry level visual novel
Jobber zero is garbage
why does rider think he can beat saber when he can't even beat caster
>>144141505
>fap bait scenes were constantly shoved in
So you didn't read it at all?
>>144141505
Hollow Ataraxia > F/SN
As long as we're talking about the VN, does anyone know where I could get the full version of the original Disillusion as an audio file? I have both the DEEN version and UFOTable version, but if I want to listen to the full original, I gotta boot up the VN. Sucks if i want to listen to it at work or something....
>>144153911
Waver should have picked the better Greek and the better Rider.
If push came to shove he can perform mana transfers with his Servant.
>>144142579
>>144145614
>I don't like FSN
>Well, that's becuase you haven't read the VN, obviously
>I read the VN and didn't like it
>NO YOU FUCKING DIDN'T YOU'RE CLEARLY LYING
Holy shit you Fatefags are fucking delusional. You have actually convinced yourselves that no one could possible try this shit and dislike it.
>>144149434
>le worms xD
Yup, confirmed for underage.
What if I like both Fate/Zero and Fate/Stay Night...?
>>144141505
The scene in the first episode where Tokiomi and Risei are walking in circles is cornier than anything in the VN.
Visual Novels are the most degenerate form of medium there is and people who "play" those are a fucking cancer. I wish they were never adapted to animu in the first place, so we could sperg out in peace without having to deal with a bunch of over-grown tumblrinas.
>>144155519
What's wrong with books that give choice, some music, and background images?
>>144150128
I don't think they're meant to. I think it's meant to be seen as a whole.
They both suck. Grand Order is the only thing in the franchise worth a damn.
>>144155687
>Jeanne is the only thing in the franchise worth a damn
>>144141505
>>144151602
>he doesn't read fate/stay kitchen
Maximum overpleb
>>144151464
Prisma Illya
F/SN tries to do a lot of things and fails at them all. Zero is a lot more focused and actually succeeds in being a good example of a greek tragedy without trying to be about everything like the VN.
>>144160438
>toooo many words mummy
>>144145614
>If you put over 100 of hours into the VN
Took me like 32 hour to read all 3 routes, with all endings and all Tiger dojos.
>>144160476
I've read longer VN you sperg. It's not only about the quantity, it's about the quality as well.
>fate shit
lmaou
>>144153714
Atleast zerofags don't make shitty waifu threads like muh rin or wormslut shit
>>144154448
Are you retarded? Are you seriously pretending those shitty eroge scenes don't exist?
>>144155687
I like Extra
>>144153911
That's a stupid comparison. Ever heard of rock paper scissor?
Rider couldn't beat cthulhu because he had no power attack that was strong enough to make instant enough damage to overwhelm its regeneration.
Saber doesn't didn't have that advantage at that moment.
>>144141505
Fate/Zero the best fate work is written by GODBUCHI so, of course, is better in every way.
>>144162715
>one scene per route
>constantly shoved in
http://gematsu.com/2016/07/fateextella-details-screenshots-moon-crunch-moon-drive-noble-phantasms-command-spells-more
>Guess who the next character is!
>Is it Iskandar, the popular one everyone likes and whose VA was already confirmed?
>Or is it four jobbers no one that mattered really cared about?
THE SUSPENSE IS KILLING ME GUYS
>>144163171
it's UNRIVALED
>>144154771
That's because you didn't.
>>144163171
Don't forget that he also fits the team's theme of rulers and/or conquerors.
>F/SN
King of baka cooking master shirou is MC
each arc focuses on one of the main girls
galge cliches abound, basically a shounen crossed with a regular galge with the 'what if king arthur was a cute girl' hook
Best selling VN of all time
>Fate/Zero
story by butcher
anime that cut out many important scenes
most people only saw the anime even though the story is translated
no sex, girls get secondary support role to the point where the antagonist beats them all up when on a jog
MC is basically your average action hero who edged too far.
More focus on Kotomine who was the most memorable antagonist of FS/N
Other random male characters doing manly things
Is it really a wonder why /a/ like Fate/Zero better?
>>144163171
>click through to http://gematsu.com/2016/07/fateextella-details-screenshots-karna-lu-bu-gawain
>lu-bu
Shit, when was he confirmed?
How would Shiro respond to this?
>>144163365
Is this the easiest way to find out who's from China?
>>144163418
What, me from China? Nah, just a Dynasty Warriors fan.
>>144163470
from china
>>144163418
No it's just the fastest way to findo someone who played Dynasty Warriors too much.
Lu Bu is overpowered as fuck in the early games, he's more balanced now, but still packs a punch.
Anyway if they are going the RoTK route I expect some neat additions.
Its like fatefags cannot comprehend the fact that their beloved is a kuso game
A post like this >>144142579 can always be found in any thread in which someone says something bad about fate
>>144163742
say the same thing about any popular series anon
it will be the same
>>144163171
reminder, all these VAs are already confirmed for Extella
>Kawasumi Ayako
Arturia (already confirmed)
>Ookubo Rumi
Bathory (already confirmed)
>Suwabe Jun'ichi
Emiya (already confirmed)
>Seki Tomokazu
Gilgamesh (already confirmed)
>Saitou Chiwa
Tamamo (already confirmed)
>Sakamoto Maaya
Joan of Arc (already confirmed)
>Tange Sakura
Nero (already confirmed)
>Noto Mamiko
Atilla (already confirmed)
>Sawashiro Miyuki
Mordred
>Shitaya Noriko
Wormfarm
>Tanaka Atsuko
Medea
>Taneda Risa
Mashu, Marie Antoinette, Kiyohime or Mata Hari
>Canna Nobutoshi
Cu Chulainn
>Ootsuka Akio
Iskander
>Asakawa Yuu
Medusa
>Saizen Tadahisa
Hercules
>>144155600
They usually are shitty books written for teenagers baiting them into thinking theyre reading something profound while its actually not but they lack the mental and emotional capacity to find it out
>>144163907
>literally has porn in it
>anime drawing
>'profound'
You need to be really liberal to be considered profound these days.
>>144163828
Fact is most popular series as you say are also shit, like sao, tokyo ghoul, naruto etc
No one will tell you to read the source material if someone shits up a thread of say, a LoGH thread, everyone will instantly know its a shitposter (while LoGH is also still relatively popular)
>>144163842
>Iskander and Medusa in the same game
>>144164061
If you honestly believe power = better character. Then fuck off.
>>144164061
I like both so is win/win to me
>>144164138
>in the same game
>game
Are you really that triggered talking about power levels in a game? No one was talking about character. You're really sensitive.
>>144164186
I was talking about the picture. Sorry if I sounded like a ass hole. My mistake.
>>144164138
>>144164186
>>144164218
Guy who posted >>144164061 here, Medusa is a better character than Iskander though
>>144163997
While I agree I think its also that the flaws of the series are well accepted, if they can even be called that. If its popular as a series there will be a lot of people who don't accept a lot of things about it but are watching it anyways especially if its new or airing. The only people who want to discuss a dusty old space opera anime are the people who enjoyed it.
Or Tytania was just really shit.
Another reminder that Fate/Stay Kitchen is a fucking shitty VN.
>>144163842
>Heracles
Please god let him be not a Berserker
>only other apparent Berserkers are Kiyohime and Lu Bu
FUCK
>>144164186
>power levels
>in a series that exclusively has fights where power levels barely matter
>>144164254
I really enjoyed it. Probably because I got really into it and spent morning til night just reading it all day and it took me like 80 hours total or something.
Compared to the other VNs I've played that get called 'amazing' it seemed like the elements were almost exactly the same the person just liked the setting/characters/lack of cooking more.
>>144164327
Was it your first vn? Because the fate route is horrible. I nearly quit playing because how fucking boring the route was.
>>144164258
Lu Bu is already confirmed though. Who knows?
>>144163842
I'm pretty sure this list was proven false. There aren't enough slots left for all those characters to be in unless DLC gets added later on.
>>144164367
Nah but my first VNs were some awful body swap one I got off jlist that I picked at random and drug that makes you dream. I got into Saber route after dropping the Tsukihime VN a few months earlier and I suppose I self-inserted hard so it worked. I didn't like Fate after UBW though, and didn't like UBW after Heaven's Feel but I came around after reflecting on HF that UBW was the best route overall because I didn't like Sakura.
Different strokes
>>144164444
Could be NPC-only heroes who they didn't want to program a moveset for.
>>144164444
>unless DLC gets added later on.
Is it a video game released after 2010? It IS? Well guess what it's getting DLC.
>>144164476
>drug that makes you dream
Godlike entry VN
>>144151567
You might have pirated the game so you have 3 different executable for the 3 routes, but no, you should not be able to skip to UBW or HF
>>144164476
Yep. Saber alter and lilya was the olny character I cared about in heaven fell but fuck me, right?
Jack The Ripper when?
>>144164547
Fatehater here but I'm curious. What's the difference between Realta Nua and the other version?
>>144164679
Tfw you think Jack the Ripper as your daughter and you can't get a boner from her. Fuck me and my self insert fucking mind
>>144164700
Realty has the gay ass plot Avalon ending and some different shit
>>144164700
Extra music, extra CGs and animation, no H scenes, additional ending
>>144164700
Realta Nua is a SFW version made originally for the PS2. It had extra music, more art, better animation, an extra ending and all the H scenes replaced with more tasteful artsy stuff.
>>144164577
Well I don't know what you were expecting given that it was Sakuras route
>>144164708
what the fuck
>>144164731
>>144164752
>>144164833
Okay but if it doesn't change anything about the characters or the narration, there's no reason for me to go back to it.
>>144155360
Then you'd be like most people in this thread while not wanting to shitpost
>>144164898
HF is pretty different, since Sakura is a vampire instead of a rape victim there.
>>144164061
Iskander is stronger than Medusa though. Medusa is chump tier, I don't know why everyone thinks she's strong.
>>144165405
She is strong. They all are, everyone in FSN and Zero are top tier servants (excluding maybe hasssans)
>>144165419
Oh, and maybe Diarmuid. He's potentially a bit of a jobber.
>>144165405
Pegasus is phenomenally powerful and Cybele is not a weak skill.
>>144165405
>Iskander is stronger than Medusa though
True
>Medusa would beat Iskander in a fight
Also true. Medusa may not be as strong as Iskander, but it's literally his worst possible opponent. Worse than Gil.
>>144165477
>Pegasus is phenomenally powerful
It got BTFO by a single Excaliblast. It's not that strong.
>>144165540
>It got BTFO by a single Excaliblast. It's not that strong.
Nigga Excalibur is one of the strongest Noble Phantasms there is. What the fuck is wrong with your barometer.
>>144165540
And with Shiro's shitty Aius it managed to overwhelm it. Just because it's slightly weaker than one of the strongest NP out there doesn't make it weak, quite the opposite.
>>144165578
Most people on 4chan work in pretty stupid absolutes. You're either the best or shit.
Medusa would eat Iskander alive in a 1v1, it's not even a fucking contest even with Ionian Hetairoi.
>>144165663
Gordian Wheel is stronger than Bellerophron so I'm not sure how Medusa is supposed to win
>>144165700
Anyone that faces Cybele with a Magic stat lower than B gets turned to stone. All she has to do is remove her blindfold.
>>144165700
lel
>>144163362
>implying
>>144165700
They're both A+
Also the guy with C rank mana totally won't get petrified by the NP that petrifies people with C or below mana.
>>144165700
>Gordian Wheel is stronger than Bellerophron
They're both A+ rank NPs, but Pegasus is far stronger than the bulls, so no.
>>144165327
Unfortunately, Sakura isn't the only problem. I have a problem with a shitload of things and almost every character.
>>144166191
in HF?
>>144166207
No I think he means in another routes as well
>>144166266
Oh then, sucks to be him, I enjoyed it
>>144166207
I didn't even make it that far. I finished Fate while skipping a good load of that route, started that route, had quite a bit of difficulty to get past the stupid situations (like Sakura engaging Shirou at school, which reminded of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EnZUUzlL60Q ) and I said "fuck it" when Saber jobbed AGAIN against a normal human with reinforced fists when Servants are supposed to have reflexes far surpassing those of humans.
>>144166335
Nash genius writing strikes again
>>144166335
Okay, let's see your first problem was skipping a good load of the first route...I mean you didn't need to finish everything at once, you just needed to take it slow until the route entered it's climax moments. That's why I don't undertand why people call it "boring", I mean sure, it's supposed to have that SOL like feel to it in the start to set you up for the VN characters and the second part of the route so there is no need to rush that part at all
In UBW you missed the point with Kuzuki, he is not really a normal human in any shape or form, he is a deadly assassin with a technique that can kill any normal person in it's first attack, the only reason Saber survived is because she is a servant
However that's the extent of Kuzuki's power, outside of his first surprise attack, he can't hope to be a match against servants
Futhermore Fate/ and the Nasuverse in general is full of these things, the weak beating the strong because they have good counters or moves that can overpower the strong for a time
That's why Saber beat Gil, Shirou beat Gil, Shiki beat Nero Chaos in Tsukihime and so on
>>144166719
Because one person's opinion will somehow bring down a famous and renowed VN like F/SN
>>144166732
Gil isn't the best if you don't give him the time to sit around spamming swords at you, he can't really keep up in a fight with people who know what they're doing.
If everyone didn't start the fight from fucking 40 meters away he'd not look so scary.
Fate ae a whole is trash.
KnK was the guys magnum opus
>>144166848
>KnK was the guys magnum opus
KnK was pretentious wank that meant nothing
>FLOATING OR FLYING
>>144166784
Nah, Gil is dangerous as fuck
He doesn't just spams swords, he spams NPs
And he has an instant win button in the form of EA
Saber and Shirou only won their battles against him because they had good counters agaisnt him, and having good counters > having more power in the Fate franchise and the Nasuverse in general
This is an example from Mahoyo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fU-27H4XNAc
>>144166848
>Nasu himself recognized KnK was his biggest chuuni work, even moreso than Fate
wew
>>144166987
>don't give him space to do any of that
>stab him in the face because you're almost anyone and are probably a minimum of 10 times better than him.
But it's fate, everyone starts a fight from the other end of the town instead of just taking out a nigga when you're up in his grill.
>>144165614
>And with Shiro's shitty Aius it managed to overwhelm it.
Aegis is the strongest shield, it can take about anything because it what it does.
His "shitty" is simply its a copy of the original, it will work as the original but being a copy doesnt last long, what he used was a copy of Aegis that survived long enough, the real thing would not break but thats how Archer fights, he makes disposable copies to suit the situation that makes him a very dangerous foe since he can count about anything as long he knows what it is and what can counter it.
>>144166944
And Fate is shounenshit that shoehorns eroge segments and cooking for literally no reason.
>>144167052
Archer's version is far ahead of Shirou's is what I'm saying.
Also the Cross Shield/Lost Camelot or whatever it's being called (assuming it is the cross shield) is the strongest shield by far.
>>144167052
>Aegis is the strongest shield
Too bad Rho Aias is not the Aegis.
Rho Aias is just the shield of Ajax the Great. It is a conceptual weapon against thrown projectiles since it stopped the "invincible" Durindana, but it's not unbreakable to anything else. (And Excalibur is not a thrown weapon so it does not even have that benefit.)
>>144167086
so we're all in agreement that Nasu's only good stuff is Mahoyo and Extra/CCC
>>144167041
That's the thing, you can't get closer to GIl unless you use somethign like UBW
Saber tried in Fate but he just spammed more shit at her and she had to dodge and give him space because she didn't knew the effects of the NP he was throwing at her
She only actually managed to get close to him once she fooled him in using EA and activated Avalon
This threads is very bad.
>>144167178
>newfag doesn't even know about DDD
sasuga
>>144167086
>t.secondary
>>144167178
>Talking about Mahoyo
>when he didn't even read it
>unfinished
kek
>>144167286
That's because they keep starting the fight when he has the space. STOP PONTIFICATING AND START GETTING CLOSER BEFORE THE FIGHT STARTS YOU FUCKS.
>>144167341
>STOP PONTIFICATING AND START GETTING CLOSER BEFORE THE FIGHT STARTS
You do realize that a hostile approach would signal to Gilgamesh that the fight is starting, and make him start shooting, right?
>>144167376
Servants are fucking fast. Also you don't always need to be hostile, just walk towards while talking.
I mean Alexander could have just smacked him when they were standing next to each other, but he didn't because he didn't realise what a tactical disadvantage he would have.
>>144165419
It kinda goes over people's heads, but she and Sakura are an excellent combo, but Nasu gave them every crippling effect in the book. That was why Hollow was so nice, because you finally could see them fighting together (and for 90% of the chuuni fanbase, being 'strong and badass' is one's only redeeming factor so it raised points for some people, but that is a rant for another time). Sakura was able to, in six months, make it to the point she was able to fight for a whole hour circuits on tilt in the middle of a tidal wave of undead before *starting* to tire.
Medusa has great physical power she keeps in check to not start transforming into a monster, and more than a few ancient magic abilities. And implied she could make a citywide Bloodfort pretty easily if she wanted to.
Altogether, they are a good team. And she is actually a good Servant.
>>144167457
Dude, you're making no sene
Gil is a servant too, if he detects hostile intent, he will act
>>144167622
*sense
>>144167622
He's worse than most people though, by orders of magnitude. He isn't a fighter. Not even close.
>>144167714
That doesn't mean he is incapable of reacting at servant speeds.
Remember, Gil is also difficult to surprise if he's treating an enemy as a veritable threat. He has to completely dismiss an enemy for them to have a chance. Servants generally have no chance because even though he looks down on them, he doesn't consider them harmless.
>>144166732
>Okay, let's see your first problem was skipping a good load of the first route...I mean you didn't need to finish everything at once, you just needed to take it slow until the route entered it's climax moments.
You don't understand. I didn't skip the first part of the VN, I skipped a good part of the end after Archer dies to Hercules. The writing was just hamfisted (lel, let's fuck in the ruins) and so ridiculously cliché that I had to skip to prevent myself from inflicting damage to my face. The beginning was kinda bad but the middle section of the route wasn't bad, in fact, I happened to like it, especially the part with Shinji. It's really at the end that it became awful and made me wish it was over.
>In UBW you missed the point with Kuzuki, he is not really a normal human in any shape or form, he is a deadly assassin with a technique that can kill any normal person in it's first attack, the only reason Saber survived is because she is a servant
That's not my point. If you have superior reflexes, you can see attacks and read patterns. Kazuki's attack should have seemed so slow to Saber that reading it and dodging it shouldn't have been a problem, especially if she went against Lancer and cornered him until he used his NP. Nasu's writing is so terribly convenient that he comes up with such hamfisted ways to pose threats to the main characters it loses credibility most of the time.
And anyway, I cannot bear the dream sections so I won't go back to it. Nasu can't into romanticism for shit.
>>144167622
Perhaps, perhaps not. Gil's entire character is being fickle as fuck. He might shoot you for being cordial if you aren't cordial in the right way, there was a scene early in HF where Shirou gets the feeling he is gonna shoot him, and he was just looking at him when he walked in the church, but stopped and made creepy cryptic comments to him instead about being entranced by something unpleasant.
The guy, for how much he is lauded as some prophetic wiseman by some, is almost entirely driven by emotion and his twisted aesthetics.
>>144167844
You're still concieving situations where people are just sorta approaching firmly in his view and standing around before going.
If they don't give him the luxury of being able to stare them down then he's not going to do well.
>>144167894
>I happened to like it, especially the part with Shinji.
I'll bite because I usually want to give people the benefit of the doubt so I won't go on about bait, but what part with Shinji actually enticed you?
>>144167907
>If they don't give him the luxury of being able to stare them down
Gilgamesh literally has general-omniscience as an NP
you're not going to sneak up on him with ill intent unless you've got presence concealment EX or a NP of concealment
>>144168060
So how did lancelot take him by surprise then?
>>144167993
Because I actually enjoyed the situation with the whole highschool taken hostage and how Shinji didn't actually control the situation and was kinda doing it without really wanting to do it (at least, that's how I saw it), and the action scenes were pretty good because they weren't relying on stupid plot armor unlike the rest. This part was just quite entertaining.
>>144167894
>The writing was just hamfisted (lel, let's fuck in the ruins) and so ridiculously cliché that I had to skip to prevent myself from inflicting damage to my face. The beginning was kinda bad but the middle section of the route wasn't bad, in fact, I happened to like it, especially the part with Shinji. It's really at the end that it became awful and made me wish it was over.
Then I don't really understand it...the end was the best part of the first route bar none
I mean sure, taht part in the ruins was retarded and that's why they changed it in the Realta Nua version but afterwards you only getgood moments.
1) Shirou projecting and not being useless
2) Character develoment for Saber and Shirou
3) Illya being dere
4) Gilgamesh not playing around as he was in UBW
5) Kotomine being evil as fuck
6) Last fight being pretty awesome
7) Lancer being a boss
And so on...so IMO since you ended yup skipping the sex scene, you lost the best scenes of the whole route
> If you have superior reflexes, you can see attacks and read patterns.
That's the thing you are not getting, in the Nasuverse raw power doesn't means instant win
Kuzuki's technique is designed to be unpredictable and a sure kill move and he was being super reinforced by Caster herself , that's why he killed Rider and the fact that Saber was able to survive just shows that she is not a normal servant at all
If you are unable to rationalize this concept of the weak beating the strong because of better techniques or counters, then the nasuverse isn't for you....you're better off with Shounen shit
>And anyway, I cannot bear the dream sections so I won't go back to it. Nasu can't into romanticism for shit.
Subjective opinion..also that's not Nasu there, it's a translation of a VN that is very diffcult to translate, Nasu's prose is actually pretty good so if something ends up being awkward here and there it's because of the translation
>>144167907
>If they don't give him the luxury of being able to stare them down then he's not going to do well.
Remember that time when Berserker broke out of Enkidou and attacked Gil form a few meters distance? Didn't work very well.
>>144168060
>Gilgamesh literally has general-omniscience as an NP
He does, but it's also said he ignores it sometimes. Like if he had a situation where a human might beat him, he'd think "there is no way that's right" and deliberately ignore the nagging feeling he gets until reality hits him in the face because of pride. Case in point, Shirou and Sakura (although he has less excuse with Sakura because he purposefully knew she would go mad and then got butthurt that she didn't perform as he wanted her to, there is even a win quote in Unlimited Codes that references it).
>>144167907
You won't be able to get a jump on Gil unless he understimates you heavily or you have something like UBW to fuck GOB up
>>144168195
He was already set up in that instance.
Also the way it was animated I can't remember if it was the same in the VN, but it was the single stupidest move to jump backwards. Just, absolutely moronic.
Not canon.
>>144168227
>understimates you heavily
So the default state of affairs?
Gil underestimates everyone at first. (and then gets away with it because he's the bad guy and he needs to actually appear powerful for there to be any tension or drama)
>>144168125
Lancelot has an NP of concealment (For Someone's Glory)
>>144168211
He has to severely underestimate someone for that which he doesn't do with servants.
>>144168283
He at the very least treats servants as possible legitimate threats that he will react defensively against.
>>144168294
For someone's glory was downgraded because of mad enchantment so it only concealed his stats and identity.
>>144168283
>So the default state of affairs?
Only if he is fighitng someone like Shirou, who normally wouldn' tbe able to get close to Gil nevertheless
For reference, he treated Saber seriously in Fate even unleashing EA
>Gil underestimates everyone at first. (and then gets away with it because he's the bad guy and he needs to actually appear powerful for there to be any tension or drama)
I said heavily
To this point in the series, the only one he understimated heavily was Shirou
>>144168334
What a completely irrelevant piece of trivia.
>>144168170
>1) Shirou projecting and not being useless
>2) Character develoment for Saber and Shirou
>3) Illya being dere
>4) Gilgamesh not playing around as he was in UBW
>5) Kotomine being evil as fuck
>6) Last fight being pretty awesome
>7) Lancer being a boss
Your list of lame moments and your use of ellipses makes me think you're nothing but a newfag and therefore, I don't give a shit about your opinion.
>>144168356
Except for the bit where it isn't because it doesn't make him stealthy, it just stops people reading his stats.
>>144168350
>For reference, he treated Saber seriously in Fate even unleashing EA
After encountering her before and deciding that she was cool.
>>144168350
Gilgamesh isn't a retarded. These a fucking different. He could have used anything but swords, and he would have won the fight.
>>144168361
>lame moments
How do you know they're lame or not if you skipped them?
>newfag boogeyman
c'mon you can do better than that
> I don't give a shit about your opinion.
Basically a declaration of "I know you are right and I have no way to argue against that anymore"
Pathetic
>>144168416
>Except for the bit where it isn't because it doesn't make him stealthy, it just stops people reading his stats.
Which is barely enough to catch Gil off guard.
Note that Gil was not at any point actually threatened by Lancelot. He was just aggravated.
>>144168427
>Gilgamesh isn't a retarded
He's only ever displayed retardation. Every word he says is moronic. Every action he takes is moronic. He's never displayed intelligence above that of a 12 year old.
>>144168416
He would do so in Zero too since she earned his interest, the same with Iskander
>>144168427
Not really, UBW completely nullifies GOB and pressures Gil because he is forced to a hand to hand combat he dislikes
>>144168437
Because lancelot didn't get in his gril, he sat around after letting gil see him. I mean he's insane so it's not like I can fault that.
>>144168480
Doesn't ubw only allows Shirou to make sword at no cost, which wouldn't stop Gilgamesh from using anything else. If he just threw a bunch of axes he would have won.
>>144168132
>because he didn't want to
No, he very much wanted to do that. Being a master is something he decided with his own will, let's get that out of the way.
I won't spoil things for you on plot points down the road, but Shinji for all his boasting, really doesn't know much about being a mage in practice. He kinda was handed a really good servant that he wasted. And planting the Bloodfort at the school was in fact, as Rin said, an incompetent idea as a magus to be that upfront.
As for plot armor, Shirou is a protagonist that has almost as many deaths as he has successes, so I wouldn't say plot armor is necessarily evident too many times with him. Case in point about that one bad end in UBW you can get by asking Issei about the temple was a great example of unexpected consequences.
>>144168548
Shirou can project more than swords, it just cost more mana for non-swords.
>>144168548
He can project axes too, after all UBW is just a name when there is even a shield there
Also, UBW beat GOB because it wa faster and it could anticipate GOB swords and weapons in general before they gained momentum
>>144168170
>That's the thing you are not getting, in the Nasuverse raw power doesn't means instant win
This solely doesn't change the fact that saber shouldn't have been caught off guard like that.
Honestly don't know how you can defend this
>>144168449
>moronic
moronic in IRL, not in nasuverse
>>144168548
UBW can copy anything relating to melee combat, including axes, hammers, spears, shields, and armor. It's more expensive to trace defensive equipment, but tracing is 100% free while the RM is up--it only costs magical energy to trace into his hands outside UBW.
>>144164061
Based Percy's(besto rider) edge is enough to kill them both.
>>144168619
I know which would mean it would cost more and make it last less. He could have used just a steel chain or enkdiu to be done with the battle, but instead he acts like a fucking retarded.
>>144168628
Why shouldn't she? Wasn't Gil himself caught off guard by a mere human too?
In Mahoyo, a mere human with some particulairties defeated a a being with power close to that of a divine spirit with two moves
The Nasuverse is full of shit like this, if you don't like it, go back to your shounen tier fights in Bleach or Naruto
>>144168630
I can let some of it slide because nasuverse and it's ass backwards (literally, backwards) logic.
But some things don't change, and some things will never be anything more than "babies first attempt at philosophy"
>>144151357
Just like FSN
>>144168645
So why didn't Gilgamesh punch him? A strength should be enough to kill a huge man
Fate
>a highschool fags with a moralfag protag and retarded sluts
>Zero
>Youngest person is basically a uni student with the rest grown ass adults and no retarded moralfag and sluts
Gee i wonder which one sounds more interesting
>>144168738
That would require 1. Intelligence and 2. for him not to be pushed to his limits being defensive.
>>144168715
Sometime the plot amour is obvious, but it ain't so bad.
>>144155647
Which is why the anime adaptations as we have them don't work.
>>144168753
F/SN
>Highchool students who are, at times, even more mature than adults and have to deal with the shit their parents and other adults caused in the first place
F/Z
>a bunch of manchildren and fag uni crybaby
>Gee i wonder which one sounds more interesting
You tell me
>>144168696
Would Gil really know about that it would cost more mana?
>>144168738
Because Shirou would cut his arm off? The only heroes who can engage in hand to hand are beefed up berserkers and martial artists.
>>144168818
F/Z
>>144168833
I mean he should know shit like that. Isn't he fucking smart? He should know what he doing and trying to do?
>>144168849
Nice to see you have such shit taste
>>144168708
>Why shouldn't she? Wasn't Gil himself caught off guard by a mere human too?
Don't bring Gil when I'm talking about saber and Kazuki's confrontation.
She should never have been caught off guard when she is faster, has better reflexes and can process information in her head quicker than that mere fag and yet still was out done on the suprise by Kazuki.
Doesn't make sense and i don't know why you keep bitching about shonenshit when things like this are the same shit that happen there.
>>144168846
Doesn't servant have super speed?
>>144168959
Plot . Move on. Shit happens because the plot must be interesting
>>144168959
Kuzuki was boosted to servant level speed and attacked in a completely nonsensical fashion. Don't underestimate Medea's reinforcements.
>>144168969
Shirou does when he's tracing too.
>>144168818
>even more mature than adults
Hahahahahahaha
Shirou is farrr from mature and thinks everything can be solved just by beating someone in a fight.
A mature person is someone who knows he's vastly out matched in a fight and would have came up with a plan on his own to deal with that or retreat.
>>144168551
>Case in point about that one bad end in UBW you can get by asking Issei about the temple was a great example of unexpected consequences.
I'll go as far as saying it caught me slightly offguard even if I was expecting something to happen and was the only moment I really enjoyed of the UBW I played. It was just so random.
>>144169043
>Shirou is farrr from mature and thinks everything can be solved just by beating someone in a fight.
>someone who has never read or even watched F/SN and has literally no grasp of the subject except he assumes it's a shounen so every protagonist is Goku
>>144169023
Wut? Well fuck that. Where did it state that Shirou gain servant speed when he trace weapons? Didn't he just get their experience?
>>144168753
The argument that one's cast is better than the other because they're older doesn't hold any water when they act far stupider than the younger cast.
>>144169099
>Where did it state that Shirou gain servant speed when he trace weapons?
He traces the general statistics of their wielders and the sword will even fight of its own accord if he traces it well enough. This was in Fate, UBW, and HF at various points.
>>144169187
That still does not equal speed and reflect speed. But fuck it who gives a shit anymore? Gilgamesh was a retarded In that fight. End of story
>>144169002
>Go read Bleach even though Fate has the same powerlevel inconsistencies for the sake of the plot
Literally you now
>>144169023
Are you really trying to say she boosted his speed and reflexes to the point that it's on par with sabers? Not even gonna bother with the fact that she can still process things in her head much more quicker than him anyways so would have saw it coming regardless. The whole thing is damn retarded.
>>144169043
>t. "I didn't read the VN at all"
>>144168959
It' the same situation, m8. Kuzuki was able to get through Saber because she wasn't expecting plus his high grade reinforcement plus technique
This is how the Nasuverse works
don't like it? Fuck off to shounen shit series
>>144169282
No in saying that Nasu did it for the plot. He knew that ubw didn't have anything interesting so he made shit up. Happy?
>>144169282
>Are you really trying to say she boosted his speed and reflexes to the point that it's on par with sabers?
No, it was a little ways below, but not low enough for her to completely work around it.
Sasaki Kojirou's strength is C and he still clashed swords with her keeping up with technique instead of power.
>Not even gonna bother with the fact that she can still process things in her head much more quicker than him anyways
Nonsense. Kuzuki is an already-superhuman assassin empowered by ancient supermagic.
>>144169282
>Powerlevel inconsistencies
There is no power level inconsistencies
Counters are jsut more important than power levels in Fate/
>Still Kuzuki vs Saber thing
Saber wan't expecting a human tohave such power, Kuzuki's technique + power was able to surprise her, end of the story
>>144169379 no I'm saying* I'm using a phone atm so sorry
>>144169337
>people who are weaker can get the jump on someone who is stronger in every category and can see things much quicker and react faster than anyone who isn't a servant is what fatefags eat up
Can't believe people like you act superior over shounen garbage when it's literally the same shit.
Is it dead? Good thread btw saber is my waifu but I would dump her for Joan any day
>>144169618
When you love something, you get blind sometimes.
>>144142579
>Replying to bait
>>144141505
Why are Fatefags so stupid they don't realize they're being baited?
250 posts on a thread that should've died yesterday, jesus christ
>>144169400
>Nonsense. Kuzuki is an already-superhuman assassin empowered by ancient supermagic.
Literally nothing compared to one of top servants in that route.
>>144169409
>Saber wan't expecting a human tohave such power, Kuzuki's technique + power was able to surprise her, end of the story
It doesn't even matter, she can react faster and defend her self much more quicker than him doing a single thing to her even if she didn't expect him to be boosted like that.
It's retarded, case closed.
>>144142579
Holy shit, first post worst post. FSN is shit. Zero is actually good.
>>144169618
>"herp derp power levels are everything"
>Fate fights are the complete opposite of shounen fights
Understandable why shounen faggots like you would get mad
>>144170334
I know another manga that uses the same concept. It's called Akame ga Kill.
>>144169961
>Literally nothing compared to one of top servants in that route.
Reminder that Saber isn't a top tier servant whilse she is under Shirou
>It doesn't even matter, she can react faster and defend her self much more quicker than him doing a single thing to her even if she didn't expect him to be boosted like that.
Kuzuki's abilities rely on his opponent not being able to react at, it's his style, a one hit sure kill
wonder why you are mad for this parituclar situation when in another seires of the Nasuverse a freaking human dealt with a being almost divine spirit level in freaking two hits
Just deal with it
>It's retarded, case closed.
>It is because I say do, shounen power fights FTW
wew
>>144170408
>Akame Ga Kill
I didn't read it so I can't say for certain, however I can say that Fate/ doesn't just kills everyone for shock like people say AgK does
>>144148319
Fuck you, Unlimited Blade Works was good for Archer alone.
