>he can watch anime and read subs but reading manga is too hard for him
People don't read manga because it's too hard, people don't read manga because it's not as entertaining.
>>143974804
Literally the only reason to read manga is to get better at Japanese to become an real anime pro.
Hey you try fucking reading 時分割型マルチプレクサ
I don't know how to read manga. Like I can't just read a panel and keep going I have to stop and examine the art because I feel bad if I'm just rushing through it because what's the point otherwise. So it takes me like 50 minutes sometimes to read a chapter
>>143974804
>watch anime and read subs
That is supposed to be..an achievement? The rest of the world has no trouble watching movies in cinemas - in fact, only childrens' movies have dubs over here. Normal adults should be able to read subtitles quickly.
>>143975133
subbed movies*
>>143974804
>>143974874
its boring. lack of color, sound, motion and action. I've read manga and sometimes its better than the anime but typically no.
Same reason I stopped reading books, its just not entertaining.
I'd rather read a book.
>>143974804
Are there people who seriously do that? Is doing both so hard for people? I can personally enjoy the hell out of a manga, and an anime.
>>143975203
>books aren't entertaining, so I stopped reading them!
The epitome of american laziness, gentlemen.
I often have no idea what going on in a manga panel if it's heavily action oriented.
Seeing it animated alleviates this issue.
>>143975483
>seeing poorly animated scenes filled with QUALITY fixes the issue
Literally only 1/10 of the seasonal anime have well animated action scenes
>>143975203
That's why /a/ so excited about Koe no Katachi anime and no one cares about Koe no Katachi manga.
>>143974804
I usually just watch anime blind so I can enjoy the show for what it is then just read the manga later so I can enjoy the details. I know you faggots say do it the other way around but if I did that I would be spoiled to shit then upset the anime didn't follow the manga. Reading the manga just leaves no room for discussion. At least with original anime people are always trying to figure out the show regardless if its shit.
>>143975710
Only the normalfags who haven't read anything but the top recommendations of MAL think the manga is good, and it's the same crowd who are excited about the anime.
>>143975077
Do you do the same thing with anime?
>>143978282
>not pausing to closely inspect every frame
>>143975077
Steps of reading through a manga
1. Skim through for the fan service parts
2. read through it fully for the story
3. read through it for the characters
4. read through it for any deep meanings
5. read it for fun
>>143978743
I will never understand why people go out of their way to get hard copies. Its like saving movies you will probably maybe watch once or twice and be done with it.
>>143974804
>needing subs
>>143975429
>he doesn't read something he doesn't enjoy, that means he's lazy
What.
>>143975203
>action
What's it like being 13?
>>143975203
>Same reason I stopped reading books
You're just retarded
>>143981277
I'm a mangafag and I don't read books either.
>>143974804
>They are finally dubbing it so i can watch it.
i have seen this on toonami forums.
>>143982234
>going to toonami forums
>>143982459
im a masochist
Anime has audio and visual information, thus, it is more like real life. It is the superior medium.
>>143984745
Visual novels>low budget anime that tells 1/10 of a story
>>143985304
That has nothing to do with the medium itself, and I'll point out Haruhi as an example of anime better than the source material.
>>143984745
But real life is awful.
>>143985430
I'm judging how anime is made nowadays so yeah, it sucks and you will always have to go read the source material in the end since new season is not a guarantee.
Also Haruhi is shit besides the movie.
>>143985716
>Also Haruhi is shit besides the movie.
Shit taste confirmed. Your argument is invalid.
>>143986207
>he enjoyed that trash ass endless 8
>>143986730
It started good, then it got stale, and the ending was a huge fucking pile of shit.
>>143986813
fair. but that doesnt change the fact that the first and second volumes are fantastic
>>143974804
Manga continues where the anime generally left off, that's the only good thing with manga, other than that, it's boring.
>>143986975
There's a big jump from "good" to "fantastic," anon. It was never fantastic.
>>143986552
>picking literally the only bad thing about Haruhi
meh
>>143987155
>>143987243
>amusing faces makes it fantastic
Those are some high standards you have there.
>>143986730
>>143986975
You seem like the exact kind of person >>143977842 was talking about.
Reading manga is often too hard for me because the translations are often far more autistic than anime subs.
>"Ne, Aoi-chan, can I borrow 500 yen?"
>TL Note: 500 yen is roughly $5 USD, or 42 Norwegian Krone
>"Okaa-san, can you not put green peppers in my bento?"
>TL Note: Okaa-san is how most adolescents address their mother; Bento is a common type of lunch box
Scanlations of parody manga are pretty awful, too.
>"Who do you think I am, Son Goku or something?!?!!"
>TL Note: He is referring to Son Goku, protagonist of Akira Toriyama's bestselling manga, Dragon Ball. Son Goku is based on a character named Sun Wukong, from the Chinese tale "Journey to the West"
>>143987368
not at all. we're not talking about some umaru liking bullshit here
>>143987531
I don't know how autistic you have to be to be unable to read a series because of some retard's notes in the margin.
>>143987468
> implying that because I like a popular manga I like all popular manga
>>143987531
>I started watching anime after 2010
Fansubbers were far more annoying.
>>143974804
I barely have time to read literature, I don't have time to keep up with manga.
>>143987647
No, that's not what's being implied at all, and that's a stretch even for greentext.
>>143987678
You could be reading instead of posting here.
>>143987678
>literature
Oh, boy.
>>143987678
So you have time to read big books, and time to watch anime, but no time to read 20-page chapters of the original manga versions of those anime that allow you to cover the same content in a fifth of the time?
>>143987758
Posting here is one of my hobbies that I've been doing basically since the website's inception.
Why would I stop now when it still entertains me?
>>143987773
Literature is an actual thing you idiot
>>143987853
'big books' are a minority, but I them read on-and-off over roughly a year.
>>143987654
I'm well aware of how awful fansubs were back in the 90s and early 2000s. But at least most anime fansubs were able move on from that.
Manga scanlations are still like that.
>>143987596
The problem isn't necessarily the TL notes, but the rampant problem they have with leaving Japanese words intact and explaining them separately, when an English equivalent already exists.
We don't need a separate TL note for "okaa-san." Just have the character address her as "mom."
Some TL notes are just incredibly condescending, too. Who doesn't know what a fucking bento is? And even then, you can call it a lunchbox and it wouldn't lose any meaning at all.
Scanlations wouldn't take nearly as long if these asshats would learn to be more efficient.
I gave up on watching anime years ago. Manga is the superior option. Plus most of the best manga will never be animated or it ends up getting animated awfully and the manga reigns superior.
>>143988010
>at least most anime fansubs were able move on from that
That's because fansubbing is dead. Almost all of the "fansubs" are just CR/Funi rips or edits.
>>143988010
You say the problem isn't TL notes, but then you go on to complain about TL notes some more, so that's clearly the problem, and the solution is to just fucking ignore it. No one's disputing that they're dumb, I'm just saying that it really shouldn't make it "too hard" to read manga, because that's silly.
Also, I guarantee you that ten-word TL notes and not translating "okaa-san" and "onii-chan" are not slowing down anyone's translations that much, they're just cluttering up the page with shitty notes.
>>143987975
>Literature is an actual thing you idiot
Not him, but I've never met anyone who referred to "reading literature" or the like unironically who wasn't a massive prick.
>>143987853
>cover the same content in a fifth of the time
Oh look, it's this meme again.
Time saving should never be a selling point for entertainment.
You know what would save even more time? Not consuming any media at all. Don't watch anime, don't read books, don't play video games, don't watch movie, and don't read manga. There, you've maximized your productivity.
The biggest reason for anime's superiority to manga is how the number of episodes for an anime show is decided in the beginning then the story is made to fit into it with a decent conclusion, whereas manga is written to stretch out the story as long as possible in order to keep the mangaka steadily employed. A lot of the extra story details in manga are superfluous bullshit. Adaptations trim the fat.
The way each business functions ensures anime will always be the ideal medium.
>>143988160
TL notes ARE a problem, but they AREN'T the problem alone.
Poor translation is also an eyesore. Some examples of poor translation coincidentally lead to more TL notes.
But I'm not bigoted. I also hate poor translations that don't have TL notes either.
>Ne, I like Chiharu-san, baka!
>no TL notes
Just because I can understand it, doesn't make it okay
>>143988307
Did you even read the conversation, or did you just fucking leap at the chance to post your rant and not bother looking for context? He was specifically claiming he didn't have time, and I was pointing out that he apparently had time for anime.
>>143988549
If he doesn't have time, then maybe he should get his shit together before even trying, instead of trying to mickeymouse a nigger-rig solution to his cockamimmy jive.
>>143988499
>Poor translation is also an eyesore. Some examples of poor translation coincidentally lead to more TL notes.
Unless you want to eliminate honorifics or use "mom-san" or something else silly, then "okaa-san" without a note should be acceptable. Bento should also be acceptable, I'd say - yes, it's basically a lunchbox, but it's a rather specific version, and there's a reason it has wikipedia and dictionary entries of its own.
>>143988644
Just translate "okaa-san" into "mom" or "mother" directly. Wow, that was so hard.
>>143988745
>unless you want to eliminate honorifics
>>143988811
In my opinion, using "okaa-san" at all in an English translation is unacceptable.
This isn't even about the honorifics debate. "Okaa-san" is a word that already has an acceptable English equivalent. This isn't an honorifics argument, so much as a translation argument.
If you want to add "san" or "kun" or whatever to the end of a person's name, I don't have a strong opinion on that. I know that some people prefer leaving them on, and some people prefer removing them. That's the translator's prerogative.
>>143988216
wow how dare you refer to literature as literature it's 2016 etc etc
>>143988498
I've been here much, much longer than I've been on /lit/
>>143974804
Manga is fine because it still has fun pictures to look at, but I draw the line at light novels.
If I don't have any fun pictures to look at, I'd rather read something well written. An actual book.
>>143989226
Some LNs are actually well written, though.
>>143989177
>>143987975
>Keeps trying to get people to notice he's been here long
I prefer reading manga to watching anime.
I'm far more interested in the type of visual storytelling that comes with television and film, in the form of framing, animation and montage. I wouldn't argue (as many anime > manga people in this thread have tried to) that anime is inherently superior to manga, only that it features the type of storytelling that I am more accustomed to and a style that I prefer. I think a simple preference is reason enough to watch anime rather than read manga. This preference is understandable considering the vast majority of people grew up watching cartoons, maybe even anime, airing on television, whereas only a slim minority read comics, even slimmer would be the number of people who grew up on manga. As a result the vast majority of people are more accustomed to the visual language of animation and television, but not so much comics or manga. It's the same way television isn't inherently superior to, say, opera. If I were raised on opera I might prefer it, however not knowing anything about its style and manner of storytelling I would be quite lost trying to pick it up now, and would never been fully accustomed to it no matter how many years I watched it as an adult.Arguably one could say the majority of people who say they prefer manga to anime are forcing it, as it would be inconceivable that they would prefer a style so foreign to them.
Also there is the whole other element of writing being a more central part of the manga. As highlighted with >>143987531, most unofficial translations for manga are trash, which is a shame because the text is more important to manga than the dialogue is to anime. A crappy translation for anime is nullified considering how much storytelling is done through visuals in television, whereas manga relies almost entirely on the text.
I like listening to drama cds the most
>>143989383
Are you stupid? I was asked to justify why I am posting here instead of reading.
A: because it's been in my life longer than basically anything else
Decided not to read manga translated it is motivating me when learning japanese
>manga
Actual content
>anime
A shitty ad, butchered to meet the piss poor budget, that was made to advertise said content and content from other mediums (LNs, VNs)
It's that easy, no need for a serious discussion
>>143990088
>>143987531
Most TLers I've seen with excessive notes just add a notation and a whole extra page with references at the end. Pic example.
>>143988499
>Ne, I like Chiharu-san, baka
In all my manga reading over the past few years I've never seen a partially-translated segment like that.
>>143987226
>only bad thing
>literally half the show
Nice meme
>>143974804
My favorite is when they say "I don't have time to sit and read manga" but have time to watch 3-4 episodes of seasonal shows.
Anime is just too superior, I need VA's and music.
I read manga too but very little it's just hard to get hyped about fight scenes and certain moments on a piece of paper.
>>143990373
>I need to be spoonfed words and sounds because my mind is too small to imagine them
>>143975203
>reading books for entertainment
>>143988142
Most fansubs in 09-10 before CR were nothing like the weeb shit you still see in scanlations today.
>>143990249
>literally half the show
A THIRD of the show, and it had to be at least two episode long, 3 is really better, so now we're getting down to 5 episodes out of 24 that didn't have to be there. That's basically a fifth.
>>143990550
Nah nigga it was 8 episodes of this garbage stop trying to defend it
>>143987531
>>143988499
>All these partially translated segments
In all my years of reading manga I never stumbled upon anything like this. Where the hell do you get your releases from, man? The dumpster? Even when I was a retard who attempted reading Naruto I didn't ever see anything like that. That's not an argument against manga at all, but against a group.
And you can always ignore TL notes if they upset you so much.
>>143990524
>gg
>old commie
>hadena
>pic related
Yeah they weren't bad at all.
>>143990663
>8 episodes of this garbage
The first and last episodes of E8 were most certainly NOT garbage. You can argue 6, at best, were unnecessary, though Ile only give you 5.
![[Mezashite] Sakura Trick - 01 [CE6A102E].mkv_snapshot_03.25_[2014.01.10_14.10.26].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/6tMbrRY.jpg "[Mezashite] Sakura Trick - 01 [CE6A102E].mkv_snapshot_03.25_[2014.01.10_14.10.26].jpg")
>>143979418
>Needing visuals
>>143990975
>needing audio
>>143991251
>needing someone else's story for entertainment
>>143979418
>>143990975
>>143991251I actually learned jap practicing it by reading untranslated LNs, I'm happy I learned but I still feel pretentious.
>>143975710
The manga is shit tho. At least the movie will cut out all the useless filler
>>143990459
Books are just medium and they can be used as platform for anything from information on something to purely entertainment.
>>143990975
>>143991251
>needing someone else's story to entertain you and not your own
>>143991564
and reading for purely entertainment is philistinism
>>143991628
>needing a story for entertainment
>>143974804
>subs
But I don't. I always go for dub because it's much better.
>>143991973
>needing entertainment
>>143975203
How does it feel having ADHD?
>>143974804
I'd rather read a VN, at least they have soundtrack, backgrounds and voiceacting.
>>143974804
I"M DYSLEXIC PUT THE CARTOONS MAKE IT EASY TO READ
>>143992165
>having needs
>>143988382
>adaptions trim the fat
>the most popular anime actually have more fat added to them
>>143992601
We have a winner
>>143989590
You say that but manga is hundreds of times more popular in japan than anime is
>>143987773
What?
I read books.
I read manga.
I watch anime dubbed.
>>143975203
>lack of color, sound, motion, and action
Let's see... there are literally color pages. Motion and action can be conveyed through manga since, you know, it's fucking pictures. Sound? It's really not hard to imagine them as you're reading; they even put sound effects in the manga if you're too retarded to hear it.
You're literally just too unimaginative and probably retarded. It's no surprise you can't find books entertaining.
>>143993381
>most popular anime
But we're talking about good anime, not popular anime.
