if you were in griffith's shoes would you have made the same decision(minus the rape)?
I wouldn't fuck the princess just like that in the first place
>>143946780
No I don't want to be king of anything and I'd probably just drown myself in a bowl of soup or something.
>>143946809
was it ever explained why he fucked the princess? or did he do it just to fuck with the king?
Griffith fucked up when he lost his top and decided to fuck the princess. If he would've waited he would've had his kingdom
>>143946780
>band of the Hawk were doing perfectly fine beating people's shit
>got my main man Guts
>wait a few more years and I could probably have expanded a fuck load and take over land and kill kings
>few more years later you run shit
No he's a faggot and would have been perfectly fine without sacrificing all the people that helped his faggot ass
>>143946890
I think he's just butthurt that Guts is leaving
>>143946890
Because Guts left and Griffith wanted to feel in control
>>143946890
he was going to fuck the princess originally to become the king, he just sped up the plan a little since he was distressed about guts leaving him
>>143946890
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't he give her the hot beef injection after Guts left? That may have been the tipping point for him. His best friend just ditched him so he just stopped giving a fuck I suppose. Assuming that's the right order of events though.
What would berserk be like if griffith hadn't made the contract?
Would Gutts be the leader of a mercernary company?
>>143946780
>(minus the rape)?
Why would I leave aside the raping? I would be a fucking demon I would rape even more than he.
>>143947084
If Griffith hadn't made the contract?
That Kushan demon king would probably rule the world.
>>143946780
I probably wouldn't have fucked the Princess and then slowly moved towards my dream without Guts. Everything would have turned out fine, but I'd never have actually achieved it, and later in life I would sit alone in my mansion and jacked off to memories of Guts.
I would have and I would still include the rape.
Also did griffith have a legit reason to rape Casca or was it to just fuck with the both of them? Because that's probably one of the most savage things I've ever seen a villain do
>>143946780
yes because like Griffith I am a vindictive, sensitive, manbaby.
What would have to happen to Griffith for you to feel satisfied with Berserk as a series? What punishment is severe enough?
>>143947453
definitely more the latter, also I think it was just to impart to Guts how little he cared for any emotional attachment he might have had to the band.
>>143947507
guts rapping Griffith tho i think he might like that
>>143947507
It'll be interesting, if this shit ever ends in our lifetime, to see whether Miura tries to imply that Griffith still has some moral core inside of him which triggers some regret in Guts, or if it ends with a proper human vs. demon battle and Griffith has genuinely lost all of the emotional dimension he had before the eclipse.
>>143947453
He did use Guts's fetus demon son to reincarnate, whether he raped Casca with that purpose in mind is up to debate.
>>143947529
which in turn implies that he actually does have some emotional attachment, at least to Guts, in the form of spite. Or maybe it's like when a pet-owner in a story tells the pet it hates it to get it to leave. who knows what that gay bird-man is thinking.
>>143947507
Death by sphincter immolation administered by a suddenly sane Casca
>>143947507
Guts cucking him by becoming the demon lord that rules over the world instead of Griffith, then turning Griffith into his sex slave.
>>143947923
but griffith would probably enjoy that since guts would be showing him up again
>>143947964
I thought Griffith hates being powerless the most.
>>143947507
Cripple him and then make his anus have a foot wide diameter.
Keep him alive though.
>>143948017
yeah but that abated as he and guts became closer, it's just that it all came rushing back when guts said he was leaving
>>143948113
god what an insufferable fag lol.
>>143946780
>>143946809
I would have just acted like Rance honestly. Griffith needs to stop being so gay.
>>143946780
I would rather die but if they were going to keep me alive to suffer, yeah. I'd do it.
Then I'd kill myself.
>>143946780
use power and fuck over the other lords
>>143947134
But it was exactly Griffith's betrayal that made the king go crazy and waste all of his resources on hunting the Band of the Hawk while leaving the actual administration of the kingdom to languish, weakening Midland and opening up a window for the Kushan invasion.
>>143948266
well I mean he wasn't exactly gay, more like gutssexual, he wanted his dragonslayer
>>143946780
Yes. I am obsessively ambitious and will do anything to achieve my dream. That is why I am posting on an Anime image board on a Saturday night.
In all honesty, probably yes. Those God Hand are really good at persuading you to sacrifice other people by your own volition.
Of course, I would never have become a warlord like Griffith anyway who would have a thousand hardcore followers willing to kill shit for him. I'm too much of a peace-loving pansy who would have stayed a normal peasant doing normal peasant thing instead of dreaming superbig and wanting to conquer my very own kingdom.
At most, I would have become a pretty manservant for some rich aristocrat lady if I had somehow Griffith's pretty-looking face. Like a Serpico, but far less competent than him.
>>143946780
>minus the rape
>rape
>Implying you can rape the wiling.
>>143946780
Please. Every anon is such a pussy, they wouldn't even think twice.
They will most likely end up sacrificing his comrades so that they get a new healthy body and also have God's powers.
>>143946780
If I was in griffiths shoes I wouldnt have fucked the fucking princess, but if I had to be there no matter what, I would've asked guts to just kill me and end it since nothing else would work
>>143948446
but wasnt the king jealous of Griffith fucking his daughter?
>>143948918
Yeah the king had a daughter complex because she reminded him of her mother (the queen Griffith killed was a political marriage), and he turned into a broken mess when he realized it.
>>143946780
>minus the rape
Why would I skip the best part?
>>143946780
I would have DP'd Casca with Guts instead and we'd brofist. Gotta try out that new demon D.
>>143946937
>got my main man Guts
That was the problem. Guts fucked off and with him went Griffith's chances at accomplishing his dream. I guess he could have just knocked off the king like he did the queen though. But homolust took over after the breakup and he screwed the princess like an angsty teenager.
>>143946780
Absolutely. It would be horrible to live in such a state as his.
>>143947453
He needed the fetus to be reborn, and the way he was glowering at Guts the whole time implies he wanted to punish him personally.
>>143947507
Both of them kill each other and in their dying breaths realize what a mess they've made then laugh it up like old times until they stop moving.
>>143948670
Let's face it, if Griffith hadn't turned into a demon god and she wasn't surrounded by the corpses of her friends, she would have totally slept with him. It's what she's wanted to do the most since she first met him.
>>143949827
Was Griffith's demon semen what fucked up the fetus or is it because she was branded?
>>143946890
because tfw no guts
>>143946980
he went straight from where he fought guts to the princess' room, he was in the same outfit but slightly disheveled and his sword gone because it broke.
>>143950013
his semen fucked up the fetus but it kept coming back because she and guts were branded
>implying I have friends to sacrifice.
>>143946890
>Fall for Guts
>Oh no
>Not part of the plan
>Deny feelings for three years
>Guts leaves
>tfw no Guts
For those who missed it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Purtds6DwQc&lc=z12dxlr4ayzfvnptn22cg5hazmr0ynh4e04&
>>143950013
His demon semen fucked up the babby yet the kid's soul/spirit/astral body is still okay since the little fucker won't stop turning up everywhere.
>>143946890
How are some of you so bad and comprehending what you read? Griffith feels like he is no longer in control after Guts beats him and leaves, Griffith fucks the princess to feel in control again.
>>143946780
Absolutely, but with the rape. That's crucial.
>>143950229
Who is gayer, Griffith or DIO?
>>143946937
>wait a few more years and I could probably have expanded a fuck load and take over land and kill kings
Wrong. There was no big way to show his value with the war over, so the next step was years or decades of playing politics until the king dies and he can marry Charlotte.
>>143946780
Yeah, his body was wreckt and it would have taken decades to regain what he had lost
Getting evil superpowers was his last option, but pissing on Guts and Casca was still a dick thing to do
Causality, niggers. Griffith was going to become Femto regardless of the events leading to it.
>>143946780
Yes..why minus the rape?
>>143950417
unless someone like post eclipse guts came and fucked him up
>>143950417
>regardless of the events leading to it.
that is literally the opposite of causality
>>143950299
DIO only allegedly fucked a dude. Griffith got an old man's Johnson slid up his pretty porcelain pooper then told the girl who wanted his dick about it.
>>143950417
He had the option to refuse. The count wouldn't give up his daughter. Griffith just didn't care any more.
>>143950767
>He had the option to refuse
Causality, nigga. He had no choice because the fact he got the egg of the king means he was destined to become a God Hand.
>>143946937
>Equating being a king to a god
>>143947507
Guts beats him in a water fight
>>143950817
He always could have refused though. He had to sacrifice them himself. They would have killed them all if he refused anyways. The only thing that wouldn't have happened was Casca being dicked by Femto. The choice was there, but it would have been stupid to refuse.
>>143950703
nah nig, the causality shit only applies to the behelits, anything else is fair game
>>143946980
>His best friend just ditched him so he just stopped giving a fuck I suppose.
Guts left to become his best friend. He heard Griffith talking to Charlotte about what he would consider a friend. Guts was tired of being a tool, but he would have gladly helped a friend.
>>143951280
man, it was standard "senpai won't notice me" shit but it turned out senpai was gay for him all along
>>143946780
>minus the rape
>>143950737
DIO is canonically bisexual though.
>>143951448
>senpai was gay
Griffith is too autistic to love anything. He used Charlotte much like that old creep used Griffith's butt.
>>143951529
yeah he was autistic, but guts cracked his heart open
thats why he got so fucked in the head afterwards, because the only person he ever felt affection for was going to leave him
>>143951506
It's more "He can go both ways, but he's not interested in an actual relationship"
Jonathan is special because DIO admires his strength and determination, while Pucci is special because he's someone he can open up to that's not outright homicidal or twisted.
They're both a twisted sort of romance. DIO's not one for connecting to people, and he's only had three meaningful relationships in his life.
>>143946780
>not raping casca
Fucking faggot I bet you wouldn't fuck guts after raping casca
>>143951646
was his third meaningful relationship with jotaros fist?
>>143951661
Personally, I'd do it the DIO way, convincing them that the answer to their problems is a nice dicking. It's easier to avoid betrayals that way.
>>143946780
He should raped Guts instead
>>143951744
His mother. His regular dad was an asshole and his new dad couldn't stop talking about how he wasn't really part of the family.
It's part of the reason why Giorno turned out the way he is, his two father figures were the friendly neighborhood mafia man and a beautiful man in his wallet.
>>143946780
Would I give myself over to serve the very embodiment of evil/edge? No, and I don't really get why Griffith/Femto thinks that he can have his Kingdom while leader of the God Hand. He should realize that any and all of his subject will be made to suffer just by him being their ruler. The Idea set him up to make people miserable because Guts will always want to fuck his shit up and insure that his shit is gonna get fucked and humanity will suffer. I guess at this point her really just doesn't care.
>>143951795
He wouldn't take the wish magic negroes sloppy seconds
>>143951066
We're not really sure what would have happened if he refused. I don't think the band was even branded until after he said yes.
>>143947613
I thought it was implied when Griffith visits Rickert and sees Guts again
>>143952020
I kind of doubt all those hungry demons would have just been like. "He said no guys let's just go to Arby's instead" But true we don't know.
>>143949863
They'll each lose an arm too.
>>143947507
Miura is just going to keep going till he dies. He can't think of a way to end it either. Too busy playing Idolmaster to even try.
>>143947507
Revert him back to how he was before the eclipse, without any muscle mass and shit
>>143951280
Griffith pulled all of that our of his ass when he was talking to Charlotte. Even he realizes it when he's trapped in his cell.
>>143949099
but wasnt the king also molesting her?
>>143953233
Only after Griffith fucked her, and he got his eye bashed in for it. Have you dumb fucks even read the manga?
>>143952443
>Guts learns to hold the Dragonslayer with his feet
>>143953345
people still read in 2016?
Is Griffith the most pathetic character in Berserk?
I mean he's one of the most powerful beings in the world but all he does is play out his silly fantasies of being king.
The other God Hand are all on some other plane doing important shit while Griffith plays with his toys on Earth.
>>143953552
The God Hand don't do shit. Conrad is dicking around with plague rats, Slan just fucks around with pagans in caves and tries to hit on Guts if she can find a medium, etc.
>>143953233
He just licked a titty after Griffith pink socked her
>>143953552
>doing important shit
The God Hand are slaves to their whims and desires.
I doubt any of them has any sort of "endgame" aside from Void or Femto.
>>143951280
That whole speech was to make Guts feel unwanted? I guess that's the way the anime frames it with the dramatic cues, but the story always made it seem like Guts' involvement with Griffith was temporary, as way to raise himself up before going on his own path, which he did, unlike Casca and others who would have been with Griffith till death.
>>143948591
Nice me too I am pretty smart just lazy. Like I could probably be a 4.0 grade student but I just have hobbies that make too much of my free time
>>143951954
the nigger rape was crucial for guts's character development, how else did you expect guts to know how to handle big long hard swords
>>143953552
the god hand literally just play with people, they're losers with too much time on their hands and too much power
>>143954268
>>143951280
What Guts didn't realize was that Griffith already saw Guts as an equal and a friend. The only person he ever did.
Guts just couldn't wrap his thick head around the idea that Griffith could see him as an equal and took his words at face value.
>>143947507
No punishment, I expect forgiveness.
>>143947507
>Guts cures Casca
>The trauma of having to remember the Eclipse drives Casca into a rage, and she rapes Guts out of anger
>Guts is now traumatized like Casca was
>Griffith sees this from his high horse and is saddened
>Griffith searches for a way to cure Guts
>Griffith faces off against the God Hand to obtain a magical artifact that can grant any desire
>Griffith locates Guts and uses the artifact to cure him
>Guts remembers everything, including his rage towards Griffith
>Seeing him just standing there, Guts goes Berserk and rapes him
>Griffith is now traumatized
>Guts obtains the crimson behelit and becomes a God Hand
>Is subsequently transported back in time to when the first God Hand appeared
>Guts is now Void
>Casca dawns Gut's leftover armor, and it transforms her into Skull Knight
>She travels back in time as well
>Griffith rolls off a cliff and dies
>>143955418
I would actually pay to see this happen
>>143946780
I'd have raped Guts too 2bh.
>>143946780
I wouldn't shittalk my subordinates behind their backs just to impress some pussy
>>143947507
He needs to be betrayed by other God Hand members and Idea itself and his country to be used as an enormous site of sacrifice while he watches it being stripped from all his power.
Imagine Falconia reverting to its initial hellish state.
>>143947507
I still don't know if Griffith is working with or against the God Hand. And it was implied that God himself wanted what Griffith wants.. but what the fuck wants Griffith now that he owns a Kingdom? Did he tried to get Rickert killed because he remembered him how he used to be? Also i think the factor that Guts and Casca are his 'Parents' will play into this as well.
.. i want to have some solution, when Griffith is done saving the world he leaves the body of the Fetus again, turning it human again. He becomes God himself and watches over the world while Guts and Casca live happy ever after and raise the child somewhere together with Rickert, Erica and co. Meanwhile we get a spin off with Schierke and Isidro doing some shit.
>>143946890
narcissistic rage/inury
If Griffith and his nigger army weren't there the Timuridpersionottoman Empire Dynasty would've taken over.
Did nothing wrong.
Refute this.
How does that Kushan dick taste
>>143946780
If I was faced with the choice the Godhand presented him, I might have done the same thing out of desperation.
>Say no
Spend the rest of your life as an invalid, who can't talk, and can barely even move. Become a burden to the people who once worshipped the ground you walked on, all the while be on the run from a kindgom who wants to kill them all, and continue torturing you to death. All the lives lost in the name of your ambitions will have been for nothing. That's ignoring the likely possibility that the Apostles probably would have just killed and eaten everyone anyway after you refused.
>Say yes
Ascend to a form of godhood. The people who have vowed to fight and die for your dream will do exactly that, even if it's not the way they were expecting. Realize your life's ambition, and ensure that all the lives lost along the way weren't in vain.
>>143961071
You mean like Hitler saved Europe from Stalin?
>>143946780
No, I am not that heartless to do it. I would just accept of what happened is because of my own blunder and try to live as far as I could. But again I am no king material.
>>143946780
Yes plus the rape although I will search for a beauty instead of a nigger
>>143963187
Also I would'nt need a tragic backstory to sacrifice what I loveif I have one in the first place
>>143949863
Like Gungrave?
>>143950235
>Retards being le silly and messing it up with Kazoo sounds and screaming
It didn't have to be this bad
>>143946809
This. Griffith did everything wrong.
>>143961071
PAJEET MY SON
I don't understand how raping Casca made her a retard. Is a god hand's dick different from normal people's?
>>143946780
I definitely would have done the rape, not sure about the rest.
>>143965918
It was just that good
>>143965918
You know when they say "I fucked her stupid"?
Does Guts still have the count's behelit or was it eaten by the Skull Knight after the fight with Slan?
>>143965918http://muchosucko.com/84174/Endless-Orgasm-Causes-Brain-Damage
it's NSFW but it shows exactly what happened to casca
>>143966569
He still has it iirc
>>143946809
I just realized none of this would ever happen if he didn't fuck the princess in the first place
>>143946780
>minus the rape
Nigger you're gay
>>143955418
10/10
