>that blindfold
Last thread
>>143862337
Have some armor
>>143893868
>If the adventurers don't like the guild they could just go directly to the clients
So it's a Union.
In a fantasy setting like this, it would be more economical for there to simply be a bulletin board around town with contact information.
The Guild is merely an escrow service that acts as a third party to determine contract completion between both parties.
So why make the system so complicated? Obviously, because there's more to it than that. Trade unions form a body of manpower that can be acted upon in times of emergencies (strikes, large contracts), and also formalize training and certification (apprenticeship, journeymans, etc.)
If a Guild is not a really shittily organized trade union, then what the fuck is it?
>another thread
This manga is complete shit. Let it die before it turns into a cancerous forced maymay
>>143894084
A complete clusterfuck designed to cull off mankind's defenses.
Goblin did nothing wrong
>>143894084
An incompetent contracting service that shaves a percentage off of bounties?
>>143894084
A middle-man service who gets a ton of free cash by taking a percentage of earnings for doing almost nothing?
Reminder: Guild did nothing wrong.
Adventurers are free to take whatever quest they like to move up in the ranks and obtain fame even if they cannot handle it.
Bite off more than you can chew, you eat nothing, but shit.
>>143894112
>For fucks sake the guild told them they were biting more than they could swallow. They were warned. The guild lady told them they should take another job.
No it was suggested that they wait for another adventurer to show up. It wasn't stated that they would actually be in any danger if we're going off of what the manga says. Then she just stands there silently as they leave.
>>143894222
>You can't argue with those kinds of people. They believe that there should be a large powerful organization that forces everyone to be happy and safe.
You can't argue with these kinds of people, they think that logical decision making is a part of some liberal conspiracy theory.
>>143894310
>>143894084
>linking to past thread
You are literally cancer.
>>143894084
Because the Guild can actually gather all the freelancers in one spot. Because they can manage the contract they accept and make sure it is not fraud. Because they make the clients cough up their own lungs if they don't pay. Because the Guild can make sure the freelancers doesn't receive anything until the job is done. They protect both side
The guild manage their own sides. The adventurers do their own work
>>143894234
Also guild takes your money.
all hail guild girl
>>143894310
She clearly wanted to stop them from going on the quest but the guild itself must have rules that prevent her from denying anyone to take on these deeds. She's only following orders from her superiors.
>>143894310
>It wasn't stated that they would actually be in any danger if we're going off of what the manga says
Protip: Adventuring being dangerous is a given
>>143894518
>NO SHE SHOULD HAVE STOPPED THEM BECAUSE IT'S THE ONLY HUMANE THING TO DO BECAUSE ETHICS AND MUH LOGIC
>>143894467
that is the definition of an escrow service, fampai
>>143894518
>She's only following orders from her superiors.
[Citation needed]
>>143894310
>No it was suggested that they wait for another adventurer to show up. It wasn't stated that they would actually be in any danger if we're going off of what the manga says. Then she just stands there silently as they leave.
>It wasn't stated that they would actually be in any danger if we're going off of what the manga says
>hey man I think you should wait for backup before charging into no-man's land to hunt barbarians
>no we're fine
>Y-YOU DIDN'T SAY IT WAS DANGEROUS
Come on nigga
>>143894547
Thats why the client can't just post up a billboard and the job get done.
>>143894310
>You're all adventurers of the lowest rank
>Please wait until someone capable shows up and takes the quest
>"NAWW SHIT NIGGA WE WUZ ADVENTURERS AND SHIT WE KILLIN GOBLINS SINCE KING TUTANTUTTAKHAMON, MY GREAT GREAT GRANDFATHER GIBS ME DATS REWARD"
"They wuz good boyz n girls they dindu nuffin it's da guild's fault" t. You
Elves are for_______
>>143894592
literally anyone with clout can be that third party
>>143894571
>goblins
>not dangerous
nigga what you smokin' because that shit be dank and you better share
>>143894684
>reading comprehension
>>143894628
Killing goblins with.
>>143894592
And in the first place, I am not advocating that fantasies should have billboards and escrow services.
If you actually bother to read the post, it goes into detail explaining that a Guild is more than just an escrow service, and it matches the modern description of a Trade Union, albeit a more shittily organized one.
It goes on to imply that Trade Unions have all power to employ (or not employ) their licensed contractors. Which is what this, and the previous thread, is about.
>>143894310
She literally told their faggot asses to wait, before Fighter say "WE ADVENTURERS AND CAN KILL SIMPLE GOBLINS N' SHIT".
Guild and Guild Girl did nothing wrong.
>>143894628
lunch break.
>>143894628
Pump and dump
>>143894757
Why the fuck didn't they just send a chopper over again, since that's exactly what happened once blue showed up?
>>143894716
It would be less economical for the Guild to manage their contractors. Small, unreliable payback with huge investment. It is nonsense from an economical standpoint
>>143894761
Elvish, and medieval currencies in general, are known for their stability due to their metal composition.
It makes no sense to pump and dump Elvish currency.
Honestly Goblin killing is nothing great really, the warrior and others probably would have been able to take care of normal goblins,
the hobgoblin and the shaman were the problem.
But no one knew that those live in the caves.
The point is there was not enough information and the whatever metal quest was actually of a higher rank.
It was simply bad luck.
- The guild should research more blalba
- The guild should school them blabla
Fuck no, next you want that the guild rewards them with lollipops or something.
>>143894836
It was bad luck and what looks like overconfidence.
>not scouting
>>143894757
Sauce?
>>143894812
But they do manage their contractors. Clearly each Guild has an accounting system that keeps track of commissions and ranking.
If they can do that, why wouldn't they be able to prevent people from taking commissions for their own safety?
>>143894310
She told them to wait because their ranks weren't enough. And if you're gonna be out killing/adventuring there's always danger, that doesn't need to spelt out to you.
>>143894807
The dragon was in a foreign country and the JSDF couldn't mobilize a large scale offensive without violating treaties.
That being said, MC gave a bunch of Dark Elves rocket launchers but they had maybe 5 minutes of training with them. So once the dragon showed up they all either panicked, one killed his friend with backblast, and the rest were eaten before dragon loli showed up. MC did manage to get some C4 into Blue's mouth though so they did kill it.
>>143894836
>Fuck no, next you want that the guild rewards them with lollipops or something.
Do people really believe that anyone in either thread wants to treat adults like children?
>>143894836
Intel and communication IS the exact purpose of guilds
>>143894904
>If they can do that, why wouldn't they be able to prevent people from taking commissions for their own safety?
Because they don't have a reason to.
>>143894896
GATE.
Probably season 2.
>>143894896
Gate.
>this thread
>>143894467
>Because the Guild can actually gather all the freelancers in one spot
You can achieve the same result at a bar or public notice board in the city.
An adventure strong enough to do what the client was unable to do and thusly had to request is probably stronger than the motherfucking trying to not pay what he owes.
If the guild isn't providing some sort of additional services then there really isn't much of a reason for them to exist.
>>143894921
>The dragon was in a foreign country and the JSDF couldn't mobilize a large scale offensive without violating treaties.
Bullshit, that's exactly how they got rid of Hardy's Apostle and her two dragons, choppers came in.
>>143894904
Probably because it's considered a fundamental right of adventurers to take dangerous missions possibly beyond their own abilities.
It's not like the guild can surefire predict it, they almost made it and might've been able to do fine if they'd taken the correct precautions and didn't go full retard.
>healer isn't working
>NAH LET'S KEEP GOING
It's like a level 5 party taking a level 6.5 quest, risky but it's not impossible and certainly doesn't have to end in a TPK.
So did the mage died? Something awoken in me when the goblin stabbed and then rape her.
>>143895024
>Bullshit, that's exactly how they got rid of Hardy's Apostle and her two dragons, choppers came in
That was the official reason at the beginning. They changed there mind and I remember it had something to do with them negotiating something with the injured king that's on the base.
>>143895034
She was poisoned by literal shit and could only muster the strength to let out a barely audible "kill me". Goburin slayer obliged.
>>143895099
Ebin
>>143894921
Training rocket launchers? Nah, there is nothing to train. they are dumbs.
>>143894929
Yeah. Years of future profits down the drain while creating the public perception that the guild is too incompetent to pay a premium for definitely isn't a reason.
>>143893968
Soul of the mind, key to life's ether
>>143895012
Guilds are bounty offices and if you want your bounty to be completed you would go to a place that specializes in it rather than post it up at some random pub board. This is probably the purpose of their creation in this neo-union world.
>>143895034
Didnt you read the chapter?The mage was poisoned, no antidote and Goblin Slayer gives her a mercy kill
>>143895124
Sadness rises.
Why do good people need to die in stories ;_;
Why do qts need to die in stories ;-;
>>143895165
The whole point of adventurers is that they're essentially mercenaries. Who the fuck tells mercenaries "no you're not going to be allowed to participate in this battle because it's too dangerous"?
are we really going to have a general about a manga with 1 chapter out
>>143895240
Two chapters.
>>143895213
literally anyone that doesn't want to waste money on shit mercs
Not all of us can be Hedley Lamarr.
>>143895240
why not?
>>143895168
Doesn't have to be completely random. Just has to be the local frequented by adventurers looking for employment area that functions as a central gathering place which you can find via asking the locals. Finding it would be about as hard as asking where the adventurers guild is.
>>143895213
Anyone interested in hiring competent mercenaries that can actually finish the job?
>>143895264
>>143895294
>wasting money
>implying
If they die they don't get paid.
>>143895256
Two shocking chapters.
>>143895240
This is a Goblin Slayer / Fantasy General now for /a/.
>>143895318
Rape.
>>143895317
Time is money. Now you have to find a new batch of mercenaries while you wasted yours with an incompetent group and reduced your chances of long term success via arming the enemy, giving them xp, and generously donated new breeding factories so that the next group has 40 more gobs to deal with.
>>143894980
are there any elves left at all? It seems like the flame dragon killed the wood elves and most of the dark elves.
>>143895349
Titties.
>>143894059
>Dem eyes
He's a woman, isn't he?
>>143895396
>He made the enemy stronger
>The bounty goes up in price.
You're acting like this a bad thing, Anon. Guild and the Adventurers who complete the quest get more money this way.
>>143895256
>>143895318does someone want to post chapter 2 or will you get banned?
>>143895396
I dunno man
Anyway why were we arguing about realism in this manga? It's obviously not complete bullshit in its approach but I imagine the whole idea of the guild and adventurers follows RPG tropes pretty much to the letter.
>>143895429
No. Goblin Slayer is a male.
>>143894059
NO
REMOVE
MASK
BAD
>>143895396
>generously donated new breeding factories
Why do girls STILL go on missions against orcs and gobs?
When the fuck will they learn?
>>143895429
>tfw goblin slayer is guild desk lady
>>143894310
>. It wasn't stated that they would actually be in any danger
Fighting to the death is inherently dangerous. Don't be retarded.
> they think that logical decision making is a part of some liberal conspiracy theory.
This has nothing to do with logic. It's an argument about where people feel responsibility falls: the group, or the individual.
>>143895446
Except why would the clients bother with the incompetent guild that fails at everything daily and causes the problem to have hilariously bloated expenses?
Making the problem worse and more expensive signals to the clients to not bother with the guild.
why does goblin slayer talk so fucking much? he's like a teenage girl on the cell phone
#OrcLivesMatter
>>143895558
DELETE THIS
>>143895147
ABU HAJAAR, WHAT'S WRONG WITH YOU!?
>>143895558
Girls should carry a Detonate tag on themselves at all time so they don't have to suffer.
>>143895477
Evidence?
I'm seeing some Dem Eyes, Dem Hips, and maybe even a bit of Dat Ass. In addition, I see no cod piece and he has small feet.
>>143895545
> It's an argument about where people feel responsibility falls: the group, or the individual.
Not really. It can be both.
It's more about if the group as a whole also bears the burden of responsibility when there is a blatant problem that they do nothing about which can also allow the individual to be more responsible.
>>143895574
>>143895446
That's like saying that the US gets paid higher if they armed the terrorists with nukes.
Bounties come from the money of the people. Money that could have been used for better farmlands and fisheries, fucker
are there no raws for this?
>>143895558
I thought that jew nose was his dick for a moment.
>>143895556
Then what? The overweight nobles try to fight the goblins themselves? I imagine the Guild and Adventurers in general have a near-monopoly on the the whole monster-killing business. If you don't hire an adventurer to do it, you either have to go kill those monsters yourselves, try to hire personal adventurers (which somewhat defeats the purpose) or spend a decade raising and training adventurers of your own.
>>143895638
>That's like saying that the US gets paid higher if they armed the terrorists with nukes.
Well, military production and research companies do, and the guild doesn't seem to be a public enterprise.
>>143895631
>blatant problem
You see people having the power to act under their own agency as a problem? They were told they should wait. They did not.
>which can also allow the individual to be more responsible.
What?
>>143895656
>Implying nobles don't have loyal knights.
>>143895124
>>143895201
Died in a random cave, killed by goblin shit, gurgling on her own blood while the little monsters defiled her helpless body. That's hawt as all hell mayne.
>>143895682
>Well, military production and research companies do
Fuck you.
That's not how economy peacekeeping works.
GDP decreases the more conflicts the country faces because the taxes and manpower falls unto weaponries and cannon fodder instead of economical market service
>>143895631
It's not like the guild didn't warn them, it's more that they didn't explicitly bar them. It's a matter of where the duty of the law to allow adventurers the freedom to engage their targets as they please stops and where the duty of the law to prevent meaningless deaths begins.
Personally I think if they were fighting archwraiths or something, the guild would prohibit them from taking the quest because that's fucking insane you have 0 chance. The goblins weren't guaranteed death to them, it was just risky odds.
>>143895656
"standing army"
Guilds are for lawless mercenary fucks that can't do anything unless they feel the wind in their hair. Literally only for tasks that are too menial to waste your army on.
>>143895772
>GDP
GDP isn't a good measure of economic success. The guy that developed it was put off by how it ended up being used.
What about orcs?
>>143895656
If the guild has a high risk of making the problem worse then cutting losses via not bothering with the guild in the first place is an actual option and consequence.
>>143895772
>That's not how economy peacekeeping works.
>GDP decreases the more conflicts the country faces because the taxes and manpower falls unto weaponries and cannon fodder instead of economical market service
Yeah, but while the GDP falls, people who are arming those soldiers and such must be paid more. The guild gets cash, that's all that matters.
>>143895802
>>143895744
Do nobles even have standing armies, and are they even useful against goblins?
Remember that standing armies are post-medieval for the most part, it requires professionalism.
Also remember that adventurers are closer to assassins in nature than soldiers, they're basically small groups of fighters that can accomplish what large armies can't (special missions, basically - they can rescue the princess but they can't siege the castle she's in).
>>143895829
It counts nonetheless
Economical prosperity and warfare involvement never mix
![9f9[2].png](https://i.imgur.com/ODRm1uF.jpg "9f9[2].png")
where are you fags getting the scans?,
>only 1 chapter out everywhere
>>143895874
Yeah but it doesn't matter, because the guild wouldn't be concerned with overall prosperity, just lining their own pockets.
The dumbass kids deserved everything they got to be quite honest.
>>143895802
Generally the fact that the Adventurers' Guild exists and is such a huge organization means either the standing army is either shit for whatever reason or too busy (better pay as an adventurer, bureaucracy means troops get there way too fucking late, off in a war etc) or the guild is actually under the control or heavily funded by the government.
>>143895932
No one deserves to suffer like that, they're stupid but they shouldn't have suffered ;-;
>>143895874
>Economical prosperity and warfare involvement never mix
So World War II didn't lift Germany out of poverty?
>>143895874
It doesn't mix for the general population. Mercenaries, assassins, weapon makers all got huge bonuses. War time is boom time
>>143894757
What's this from?
>>143895868
>>143895900
Oh yes, kill all farmboys and ruin the food supply just so you can get more bounty, what could possibly go wrong?
If such a guild exists, the ruling government would shut them down and send into trial
>>143895889
>only 1 chapter out everywhere
Here. Secret club.
>>143895969
Germany was winning.
They uplifted their economy by taking it from the people around them.
>>143895994
>If such a guild exists, the ruling government would shut them down and send into trial
Tons of exploitative organizations exist and thrive even today.
Seriously.
>>143895969
Last time I checked, WW1 and 2 ruined Germany.
>>143895980
Yeah, unless the king himself noticed your shit and fucks your ass
>>143895953
Maybe it's because the standing army is trained to obliterate other armies and capture cities, not fight against what are essentially guerillas.
>>143895969
You mean the US, because Germany was a smoking ruin by the end of it. The US had the good fortune of being too far to actually get hurt.
>>143895994
>If such a guild exists, the ruling government would shut them down and send into trial
The ruling government can prove nothing because they're not being unlawful, and the government might not even have the power to do so - guilds often get privileges that way.
>Oh yes, kill all farmboys and ruin the food supply just so you can get more bounty
>oh yes, kill all the farmboys and get half the nobles dead'd just to press a stupid claim that you don't know is even valid or just to secure personal wealth
Yes.
>>143895969
It was unsustainable in the long term and ready to crash the instant they had noone to pillage from.
> Goblin Slayer runs into this
What do?
>>143896047
>Yeah, unless the king himself noticed your shit and fucks your ass
Or you could slide him 20% and he ignores you.
How fucking naive are you? The guild isn't even violating a law as far as we know.
>>143896076
Die.
>>143895631
This is how I feel. Everyone fucked up but if noobies dying is a common problem, and the guild doesn't really do anything then the guild is failing to properly deploy their assets. But after they have made sure that the right people are on the job, if something happens it falls onto those people.
>>143894922
Neither of those things is organizing labor and facilitating payment between parties.
>>143895868
>Do nobles even have standing armies, and are they even useful against goblins?
I'm not talking about standing armies. I'm talking about knights.
>>143896047
Why would the King intervene
>>143896043
Sure, now tell me how their countries look like?
>>143896065
>The ruling government can prove nothing because they're not being unlawful
False.
You can get arrested for misleading signs and murder by neglect
>>143896098
No ruling government would send their slaves to unnecessary deaths just so a guild can get more people
>>143896065
The guild has extensive records and general rankings. There's kind of a massive paper trail that can be traced to the guild's activities showing exactly how often they let people fight things they shouldn't.
At minimum it would prove them incompetent enough to warrant replacing them or funding competent competition.
>>143896109
>The noob is not their assets
>They did not deploy the noobs
>The asset they deploy finish the job
>>143896143
Because you are killing his farmers
>>143896170
>Sure, now tell me how their countries look like?
>He thinks those things don't exist in first world countries.
>>143896076
>An elf and a orc
>together
>>143896207
Sure and it can't be done in broad daylight
>>143896128
Knights might be more skilled at handling clean-cut combat than the infiltration bs of adventurers.
>>143896170
>You can get arrested for misleading signs and murder by neglect
Yeah, in our modern society.
And the guild did neither.
They said 'this shit is dangerous you might not be ready', clearly warning them that they may be killed. It's my opinion that they were let go because it wasn't hopeless, just risky. If it was a dread wraith, then they would've been stopped.
>>143896170
>No ruling government would send their slaves to unnecessary deaths just so a guild can get more people
Yeah but they might just to line their own pockets.
>>143896203
They're adventurers, not farmers, and he's getting a cut from it.
>>143896195
By what measure is 'shouldn't'?
A level 20 lich getting attacked by three level 6's is obviously bullshit, but 3 level 7 hobgoblins getting attacked by three level 6's might not be because if they play their cards right or have a good plan they can pull it off anyway. They weren't getting stomped even when the hobgoblin showed up they might've had a chance.
Reminder:
Platinum Rank = God Tier/Numbers are incredibly rare and they fuck off to do their own thing.
Gold Rank = Deployed to deal with National Crisis
Silver Rank = Top participants of the Common-Hard Guild Quests, and are masters at shit and teach mid-tiers to noobs how to Adventure properly.
>>143893968
>scales hanging from the crosspiece where they would flip around with every swing
Ow, my autism
>>143896232
Bullshit. Most large mega-companies are guilty of self serving shot sighted nonsense on some level and a lot of it is right out in front of the public.
Well known historical example: Ford Pinto
>>143896199
>Asset saves a noobie
>takes her under his wing
>Trains her to be competent
>now we have two assets
>could have had 5 if we didn't keep sending them off to their deaths
What a fucking difference training makes
>>143896203
>Implying they would go back to farming if they got reject from taking jobs
>Implying they wouldn't take on jobs on the black market that target the kingdom itself
>Implying they wouldn't go on their own and get rape like usual
Noobs are lost cause. They are rocks to go through to find the true gem
>>143896232
Aren't German roads and infrastructure literally designed to last only 20 years because it's 'unfair that the current generation be made to pay for infrastructure that they won't be alive to use'?
That's short sighted bullshit right there.
>>143896377
Absolutely true, but the guild is an agency for arranging the contracts of mercenaries, not training them.
>>143896299
>>143896396
Farmers, fishermen, slaves, their titles does not matter. They are all precious people that could be used for the betterment of the economy
A guild that does not properly inform their mercs and allow them to take suicial quests is no different from a dangerously improper road sign that should be taken down.
>>143896347
Call me once it involves expending lives
>>143896460
>A guild that does not properly inform their Mercs
Motherfucker the Guild Girl fucking warned them. What do you not understand of freedom of work?
>>143896460
>Farmers, fishermen, slaves, their titles does not matter. They are all precious people that could be used for the betterment of the economy.
According to modern society and economic theory, according to ancient / feudal society not fucking really, especially if the King is getting a cut or a few key chancellors are getting their dicks wet.
>A guild that does not properly inform their mercs and allow them to take suicidal quests
Yeah why don't you respond to my part about the quest not actually being suicidal and simply risky?
>Call me once it involves expending lives
Why are lives special when the issue here is the economy? This >>143896402 is fuckwitted.
>>143896434
I'm not saying the guild should be handling the training. But if they stopped letting people walk into certain death maybe more higher ranked people would make the lower ranked ones their apprentices. All the guild needs to do is make sure people don't bite off more than they can chew and the rest works itself out.
Look at what GS was able to accomplish by himself and with a lvl 1 priest. Imagine if he was able to apprentice all of them. Fighter would have brought a shorter sword, everyone would have chainmail, and they would have learned how to spot hidden caves and traps.
She used to be an adventurer till _______________________________
>>143896338
So silver is lv 5 to 10
Gold is 10 to 20
And platinum is 20+?
>>143895147
>Training rocket launchers? Nah, there is nothing to train. they are dumbs.
The manga explained why after-the-fact. Elves in their world don't take lessons of any kind, they have no teachers, you don't even learn from your parents. You just observe and figure shit out yourself through trial and error. This means they completely failed to learn how to use RPGs because that was the first time they were taught anything.
>>143896402
If anything, I would see short-lived roads as long-term thinking.
You take a look at some of these freeways that have been around forever, and you think to yourself "Whoever designed this freeway needs to be hanged".
>>143896460
>Call me once it involves expending lives
FORD PINTO
Want some more?
Building schools on filled in strip mines.
DDT and other shitty poisons
the list goes on
>>143896377
>GS do it voluntarily and for free
>The other Silver wouldn't charge hour rate for it
>there would be another Silver beside GS to babysit them through middle tier dungeon instead of killing demons
>There would be no risk at all to the veteran that has to babysit them
>Priest girl immediately become useful and not after another 10 years of blood and tears
Veteran take times to train. Do you ever see Blackwater recruit noobs from high school or they take discharged Seal and Delta?
>>143896460
>A guild that does not properly inform their mercs
They literally fucking ignored the guild's warnings that they were probably in over their head and suggestion that they wait for backup, the guild doesn't have the right to stop them from taking it.
>>143896548
She saw her husband the goblin take an arrow to the knee.
>>143896584
Not really, if a road is designed to fucking fall apart after 20 years it's inferior to one designed to last 50 years. What if you're in a tight spot budget-wise in the next 20 years?
>>143896299
4 porcelain vs goblins in a cave was considered an auto fail without an experienced adventurer by the guild clerk.
It's obvious in universe that the goblin commission was out of their league according to the common sense of that worl. Then that same paper trail shows the cleric required to keep them alive had signed up for the first time during that same day.
Then it turns out during investigations that there's a (well known to veterans) ambush point easily missed by rookies like porcelain rank adventurers which would make requiring at least one veteran (like the quest lady suggested) reasonable.
The paper trail will actually be more damning to the guild than what we know since it won't include the failures of the fighter in it.
This was not at any point a commission that group should have had to begin with.
>>143896544
> stopped letting people walk into certain death
They don't have the right to stop them.
If I want to do something dangerous, even if it has an 80% chance of killing myself, no one has the right to stop me.
How can you hate freedom so much?
>>143893968
Based on what I got from 2 chapters, she'll probably die.
You know what? I actually want to see a reincarnation story in a D&D setting with d&d rules.
That early start in XP grinding would be amazing
>>143896659
>>143896544
>>143896460
I'm pretty fucking sure the guild is literally not permitted to stop you from taking a job, only harshly advising against it.
Wait is Goblin Slayer literally the title or is this Grimgar?
>>143896526
>>143896641
Fuck you. I was blaming her. I was just saying that the guild is not innocent for not doing proper scout on the enemies to face
>>143896531
What are you talking about?
Ecconomic theory has been availale since the code of Hammurabi
And shit, don't pull me random issues posted by an anon without any proper articles
>>143896733
It's the title.
>>143896659
They were actually doing really damn well until Hobgoblin.
>>143896763
*not blaming her
>>143896672
>How can you hate freedom so much?
At this point I'm convinced anons like you are retarded.
>>143896710
Then what is the point of the rating system? Clearly they have something in mind with making it know what level of competency people have right?
>>143896609
>Do you ever see Blackwater recruit noobs from high school or they take discharged Seal and Delta?
This is a guild where presumably anyone can walk off the street and sign up. This isn't blackwater or a PMC for all we know.
>>143896601
Where are the news articles?
>>143896569
Top 3 Tier:
Platinum = 20+
Gold = 16 - 20
Silver = 14 - 16
Mid Tier:
Bronze = 12 - 14
Ruby = 10 -12
Sapphire = 8 - 10
Beginner Tier:
Steel = 5 - 8
Obsidian = 3 - 5
Porcelain = 1 - 3
>>143896710
The guild is the ones sending out the jobs in the first place. There is a blatant system or at least skeleton of one in place to allocate people to their proper strength level and you are ignoring it.
>>143896775
The mage was dying after the first shot and the fighter was getting in the way of the monk. The only reason there was a chance of survival and winning before the hobgoblin arrived is thanks to the monk being an absolute beast.
>>143896848
Emerald is around Ruby and Sapphire level.
>>143896763
>Economic theory has been available since the code of Hammurabi
Economics as its own field of study is relatively recent, and the idea of a national economy trumping the money of the local nobility is something we struggle with even today in the form of corruption and god knows it was a bigger deal back in the day.
>>143896841
>Then what is the point of the rating system? Clearly they have something in mind with making it know what level of competency people have right?
The point of it from what I can tell is a guideline system and (possibly) allowing for contractors to specify "ok I want a silver team on this job" or something.
I don't think they can actually stop them unless it's ridiculous to begin with.
>Goblin Slayer threads
>50 niggers bitching about "muh guild not protecting noobs"
>50 other niggers bitching about "muh edgy rape, goblins did nothing wrong. muh younglings"
>one guy wearing a helmet in the corner sighing
holy fuck this entire thread is a tumor
>>143896841
The guild also isn't a boot camp. They do not have responsibility to train the noobs. The recommend a job and that's the end of the line. The point is that these type of organization do not profit from training soldiers; they profit from recruiting them
>>143896847
>news articles?
All over the fucking place. Have you ever even taken an economics class? The Ford Pinto is basically THE example of modern business putting a price tag on human life. I can remember taking 4 separate classes at various times in my life that addressed it. The DDT controversy, is likewise common fucking knowledge.
>Although Ford had access to a new design which would decrease the possibility of the Ford Pinto from exploding, the company chose not to implement the design, which would have cost $11 per car, even though it had done an analysis showing that the new design would result in 180 less deaths. The company defended itself on the grounds that it used the accepted risk/benefit analysis to determine if the monetary costs of making the change were greater than the societal benefit. Based on the numbers Ford used, the cost would have been $137 million versus the $49.5 million price tag put on the deaths, injuries, and car damages, and thus Ford felt justified not implementing the design change.
>>143896848
>1 - 3
>roll a natural 1 on your walk check
>trip and fall and kill yourself
>>143896883
>There is a blatant system or at least skeleton of one in place to allocate people to their proper strength level and you are ignoring it.
Where do you see the evidence that the guild is allowed to stop people outright?
>>143896848
So Goblin Slayer is a legit badass? Cool
>>143896921
>Economics as its own field of study is relatively recent
Sure but keeping people safe is just commonsense.
Even medieval mercenaries have rights to proper treatment no matter what flags they serve
>>143896974
>Reports range from 27 to 180 deaths as a result of rear-impact-related fuel tank fires in the Pinto, but given the volume of more than 2.2 million vehicles sold, the death rate was not substantially different from that of vehicles by Ford's competitors
*sigh*
>>143896909
>kek
>>143896641
>the guild doesn't have the right to stop them from taking it.
This is what's stupid.
If the guild lady felt they were unready, she should have told them that if they went against advice then they wouldn't get paid.
The guild is a business, and businesses live and die by their reputation. All this fiasco does is make the guild look incompetent, and that's bad for business.
>>143896931
I'm >>143896544
I already said let the adventurers handle the training. All I need is for the guild to make sure the under qualified don't get put on jobs too big for them.
>>143896921
>I don't think they can actually stop them unless it's ridiculous to begin with.
I'd be in favor of enforcing a minimum benchmark at least. If people want to read the request board and go off on their own that's there choice. But it should at least be a function of the guild to assess the lowest rank needed for a job and inform accordingly.
>>143896974
Eh I dunno
Ford kind of has a point there, assuming the math is correct.
>>143896994
Yeah but that proper treatment can actually include being sent to a hopeless situation to die holding the rearguard or breaching the walls. They can up and leave sure but that voids their contract.
And again, if you pay the king or suck him off, he'll ignore it.
>>143897032
Not him but that's besides the point, the idea is that Ford had the ability to save lives but decided not to for monetary gain. The fact that their cars were safe to begin with doesn't make that fact disappear.
>>143897069
What part of "they're not employees" don't you understand?
>>143897032
And no one can sell cars with rear fuel caps now.
>>143896931
The assignments are the training. The noobs getting better isn't an expense at all. It's a natural result of putting them in jobs that make the guild money while not getting them killed. Where does this retarded idea that profiting from them working remotely an expense come from?
>>143896975
Is the guild obligated to waste time sending adventurers to certain death in your eyes or something?
>154 replies
>37 posters
How long are you autists going to be discussing a setting that's clearly nothing but generic RPG tropes thrown together? Wasn't one thread enough? I guarantee you the author didn't give a shit about everything you're saying when he was writing this. It's just a simple story about a guy who kills fucking goblins.
>>143897124
What part of "the guild has a monopoly on, and controls employment" don't you understand?
>>143897092
>>143897069
>I'd be in favor of enforcing a minimum benchmark at least. If people want to read the request board and go off on their own that's there choice. But it should at least be a function of the guild to assess the lowest rank needed for a job and inform accordingly.
Well of course, I'm in favor of that as well, but the idea is that unless such a rule is already in place the guild would literally not be legally able to stop them even if they were marching to their deaths and everyone knew it.
Like since we have a ranking system already it's pretty obvious they roughly know what matches up with what. A dread wraith can't be beat by obsidians no matter how many you toss at it, archlichs are going to knock down sapphires like bowling pins.
>>143897135
>Is the guild obligated to waste time sending adventurers to certain death in your eyes or something?
No, they're just not allowed to stop them. They're obligated to allow them to march off to certain death because they have no way of legally preventing it.
>>143897124
And allocating work to people that clearly can't finish it doesn't make them look incompetent?
>>143897092
Why would the Guild stop the noobs? They don't benefit from any of those noobs living. GS is a rare case that he actually tutor them. In reality, the noobs would have apply for a covet apprentice positions. The guilds actually lose money trying to keep the noobs from dying due to administration cost and the bounty remain the same
>>143897100
>Ford kind of has a point there, assuming the math is correct.
I'm certainly not trying to shit on them for it. I was just pointing out that even in the modern west we have organizations that put the bottom line first at the expense of their fellow man.
Chapter 3 out yet?
>>143897100
Why would the king pay you for killing a farmboy who could have made 10 sacks of potatoes more than you could pay him?
>the idea is that Ford had the ability to save lives
You could say that to anyone. Not giving you best is not the same as getting your consumers killed
>>143897161
the same autistic retard been baiting everyone with his shitposting every thread though.
>>143894123
blindfold is awesome tho.
>>143897161
Personally I want to talk about how I find him sexy, which makes him a woman.
>it's another private guild putting up jobs posted by common civilians using their own money to take care of problems that the tax collecting government/kingdom supposed to be handling episode
Reminder to kill the children.
>>143897248
>Why would the king pay you for killing a farmboy who could have made 10 sacks of potatoes more than you could pay him?
Because the King doesn't get those fucking sacks of potatoes, while you give him free blowjobs and 100 ducats every year. You vastly overestimate the direct benefit the King would get from a few pissant mercenaries.
>You could say that to anyone. Not giving you best is not the same as getting your consumers killed
Oh so we're in agreement then, the Guild did nothing wrong because they didn't really kill the adventurers so much as neglect to put in sufficient precautions to save them?
Ford committed, as you say, murder by neglect. If he passes then so does the guild.
>>143897161
This is /a/
Thanks for bumping though
>>143897282
>that the tax collecting government/kingdom supposed to be handling episode
You want to raise taxes to pay for this shit? Fuck no, the people with the problems should pay for it. The guild functions well in arranging contracts for these kinds of things.
>>143897331
Goblin Slayer is merciless but he has some sound logic there.Is that the girl's babies
>>143897282
Keyword supposed to.
>>143897331
Goburin on the right already has murderous intent. Can't fight their nature. Kill all goburins
>>143897405
>only the people who got robbed by bandits should be paying for bandit-hunts instead of the government paying to support patrols and city guard
Uh-huh.
>>143897331
If I slaughtered a family I sure as hell would. Otherwise you'll get some kid killing you in your gold years in revenge.
>>143897456
And he'll be some level 20+ epic wizard motivated by the DARKNESS of his past who hits you with boxers linked to the plane of level 20 wizards
He'll probably get all the bitches too.
>>143897331
Fucking metal.
>>143897357
>Because the King doesn't get those fucking sacks of potatoes
It's called "taxes"
>Oh so we're in agreement then, the Guild did nothing wrong because they didn't really kill the adventurers so much as neglect
Don't push your shit around. You know that Ford's fatality rate is no different from anyone.
But a guild that send newbies in a poorly scouted mission, whom you believes benefits from their deaths, is a criminal in disguise
>>143897454
Well you have 2 options here. You can raise tax and send an army to deal with the problem, or you can fund a guild and let the farmers pay the mercenaries to deal with their problem
>>143897456
Pretty much this. You don't want to give that gob an opportunity to fight back in the future.
>>143897219
The administration cost of looking at the ranking tag and saying GTFO?
The bounty that will cost less in the long term because (assuming 365 days a year + that daily tpk statistic and assuming 3-4 members a party) several thousand adventurers a year will now be alive to compete with each other for commissions and lower the price you can get away with paying them?
Not to mention the expenses for entry level equipment will go down which once again lowers the wages you can get away with paying since it won't be constantly lost in a cave to rust away thanks to stupid shit?
>>143897331
but they did never leave their nest
the adventurers is the one who raided their nest
>>143897501
Since I assume I'm the only one who has actually read Alyosha, I must say thank you for saving my crop and then using it in this thread.
>>143897581
Tip: "Stinking hole" doesn't mean their nest.It means their mother.
>>143897503
It's less of 'dealing with' and more of 'preventing it from happening'. From a governmental point of view it makes more sense...provided you can afford it.
>>143897501
>It's called "taxes"
Yeah, routed through the local landlord who pays to the baron who pays the count who pays the duchess who pays the King. Minimal, basically. That's what I meant by 'vastly overestimate'.
>Don't push your shit around. You know that Ford's fatality rate is no different from anyone.
Except that they had the ability to make it lower and thereby have saved lives that were lost. The fact that everyone else was also unsafe is irrelevant. Where's your proof that this guild in particular was less safe than any other guilds in the country?
>>143897187
>No, they're just not allowed to stop them. They're obligated to allow them to march off to certain death because they have no way of legally preventing it.
They aren't obligated to pay them anything either then. If they want to kill themselves, that's fine, just don't let them mess up the Guild's reputation while they're at it.
>>143897516
>The guild could work with the smith to be an military-industrial complex that profit from every new noobs that want to buy a sword
>The guild has to pay the veteran to babysit
>More adventurers mean there is more options, less problems which mean decreasing bounty and less money for the guild
It is in their incentives to make the noobs die. A dead noob is profitable noob. The high end jobs get pay well because it is hard. The last thing you want is to flush silver pool with thousand and decreasing bounty
>>143897594
Plenty of people have read manga about qt slav assassins
I think the flavor of the month is The One-Eyed Sniper
>>143897331
>Goblin Slayer admits there might be good Goblins in the world.
>That's a problem for another day.
Based man. Would purge with.
>>143897219
Because they want to run an efficient business?
>>143897624
But the pooper isn't connected to the uterus
So let me get this straight.
There are people in here that would literally tell mercenaries that they shouldn't do their job because it's dangerous?
>>143897501
>You know that Ford's fatality rate is no different from anyone.
Marginally no different and not different are not the same thing.
At the time car companies didn't quiet have a grasp on how dangerous rear capped gas tanks were. Ford figured it out first, because for some reason or another the Pinto was a bit more likely to expload then other cars. They did nothing.
When the media blew up over exploding Pintos everyone stopped selling cars with that style of gas tank.
The problem wasn't that their cars were extremely dangerous, they were only a little more dangerous, and then only during rear end collisions. The problem was that they sat down and decided how much money a person's life was worth and said, 'We don't care that these people die as long as it doesn't cost us any money.'
Since it would be more expensive to change their car design then to pay any future consequences related to the deaths of their customers. There is no evidence that any other manufacturer knew that those kinds of fuel tanks were any more dangerous.
>>143897774
I think it's just one hyper liberal and/or troll.
>>143897774
I'm not actually against that actually insofar as it's way fucking off. Like, no, level 5s aren't allowed to attack the Black Dragon. The problem is that this rule obviously doesn't fucking exist and they're STILL trying to pile blame on the guild for not stopping them. I'm assblasted that they got raped silly too but like seriously, it was their own fault.
plot twist goblin slayer is half goblin
>>143897774
Mercenary implies professionalism.
Would you encourage a bunch of dipshit teenagers to crawl into Viet Cong tunnels?
>>143897839
Plot twist goblin slayer is an elf who gave birth to thousands of the fuckers
>>143897846
>encourage
Stop.
>>143897846
They weren't encouraged. They went by themselves and pay for it.
>>143897734
This>>143897676
>>143897839
Naw, we've seen the lower part of their face. It's good looking.
I'm still hoping he's a she, and that she's had Goblin babies herselfand killed them.
>>143897666
Who gives a shit?
Taxes are taxes. A living person is worth more than a dead one.
>Except that they had the ability to make it lower and thereby have saved lives that were lost.
Ford is a vehicle company that sells only tools whereas a Guild outright send people into battle
One passed the national security the other id not even pass common sense
You are basically comparing apples and shovels, mate
Stop
>>143897881
>goblin slayer is a babby momma out to send her hellspawn back into the murky hole from which they came
It's so delicious, I can taste the watermelon already
>>143897846
>Would you encourage a bunch of dipshit teenagers to crawl into Viet Cong tunnels?
If I thought it would help.
Also, a lot of wars have been fought by dipshit teenagers with a very scant amount of training. Sometimes all they learned how to do was hold their weapon and march in rank.
>>143897846
>encouraged
Only person who encouraged them was one of the teenagers saying we should do this shit.
>MC's competence is shown through a scrub party wipe
Fucking sick of this. Why can't a story like this begin with a group of people who knows their shit?
>>143897920
>You are basically comparing apples and shovels, mate
>Stop
Did you miss the part where I was just showing that there are modern organizations that put a price on people's lives? I wasn't comparing anything.
>>143897881
>>143897892
>>143897987
More like they know letting idiots get raped by goblins keeps their extortion business going for another two decades.
>>143897676
>The guild could work with the smith to be an military-industrial complex that profit from every new noobs that want to buy a sword
The now living adventurers would eventually have to buy a better , more expensive sword and pay the smith anyway.
>The guild has to pay the veteran to babysit
You keep using these words without understanding that you're wrong. The guild has to pay the veteran adventurer anyway because the noobs were going to die to begin with so the veteran adventurer STILL has to do the commission.
>More adventurers mean there is more options, less problems which mean decreasing bounty and less money for the guild
>It is in their incentives to make the noobs die. A dead noob is profitable noob. The high end jobs get pay well because it is hard. The last thing you want is to flush silver pool with thousand and decreasing bounty
Losing out on sources of profit is not an incentive. it's being retarded. The bounty itself won't decrease because it's still a job requiring skills the client doesn't have. The amount of the bounty that the guild can get away with paying the adventurer is what decreases.
Let's play along with the larger silver group theory you have though.
You now have a larger amount of services to sell but the bounty price is lower. If the bounty drop does not exceed the increase of profits you get from swimming in silver+ ranks (when you controll the commission in the first place and hold a monopoly allowing you to prevent any massive price deflation) then you are still profiting even if it's slightly less from each adventurer.
>>143898000
Because a group of people who know their shit wouldn't wipe to goblins.
where are you fags getting chapter 2 from?
So wait do non of them have actual names?
>>143898030
A company that sells vehicles are different from a company that organizes militia forces
Next you will complain why you need a license to be a doctor but not to be a programmer
Jesus Christ
>>143897920
>Who gives a shit?
>Taxes are taxes. A living person is worth more than a dead one.
Yeah and I sent you more money than the person would've made you, or more importantly perhaps I sent it to you right now when back in the day there was no way of knowing how much you'd make from a single farmer, when the brat would die from typhus, or indeed whether the idiot would even go back to being one.
>You are basically comparing apples and shovels, mate
No no no, stop trying to delve too deep and make them sound different. Both caused people to die with exactly one degree of cause separation, and both caused them to die not because they did something to make them die but because they failed to do something to save them.
Ford failed to improve their safety, which lead to cars exploding and shit, which lead to death.
The Guild failed to completely bar the idiots from doing the quest, which lead to them taking a quest beyond their means, which lead to death.
And the fact that the guild has been doing this for quite some time immediately invalidates your ideas about the king or the laws. It hasn't happened so it's either legal, they've gotten around the law, or nobody cares because it's both legal and acceptable in their common sense.
>>143897968
>Sometimes all they learned how to do was hold their weapon and march in rank.
That's all that's needed desu for spearmen. Just walk in a box and point the sticks forward.
>>143898038
Valid business practice since it's obviously legal.
At this point it might be simpler to just dump the chapter here to shut everyone up.
Do people dump licensed chapters here, or is that legal issues waiting to happen?
>>143898122
Yeah but why are they different for the purposes of the discussion, both of them got people deaded directly through neglect?
And if you're programming shit that can make or break lives, then yes you're going to need some sort of license or proof of competence.
>>143897920
>A living person is worth more than a dead one.
No, because you can spend people's lives. If we do X it will cause Y amount of people to die but will result in the success of Z. If the numbers look good you spend those lives. Z might be worth more then the value that person would have contributed.
Let's assume that the setting has a vast surplus of labor to the point that plenty of people want to take the risk to become an adventurer for lack of other good work.
Let's also assume that taxes are collected on property and/or wages. If there are a large amount of unemployed people who aren't contributing much to the prosperity of the state, then you can spend their lives to accomplish things at a much lower cost.
>>143898129
>The Guild failed to completely bar the idiots from doing the quest,
The guild has no obligation to bar people from quests.
If the quest is finished everybody makes money; if the Adventurers die you have new opening in the rankings.
>>143898180
This desu
The fact that there are so many fucking adventurers to begin with sort of implies we're not hurting for manpower.
>>143898122
>Next you will complain why you need a license to be a doctor but not to be a programmer
Not him but I don't quite understand this sentence.
You need a license to be a program?
>>143898052
I care not about those gobs aside from being good fertilizer. It's called Goblin Slayer. Why are there scrubs who can't kill goblins in a story called Goblin Slayer? They should get the fuck out of the story.
>>143898221
That's my fucking argument. If he says Ford gets a pass then so should the fucking guild, they're not fucking obligated to stop you from dying any more than the government is obligated to stop you from shooting yourself (actually I think it is now?)
>>143898129
Are you kidding?
Even if the harvest is poor, a living slave s worth more than a dead merc
>Both caused people to die with exactly one degree of cause separation
Fucker.
Just because they both can kill people does not mean they both need the same qualifications
That's like complaining why you need a license to be an engineer but not to be a blacksmith
>>143898179
No you don't. The CIA are ready to hire fresh undergrads
>>143898150
Just do it.
>>143898150
>licensed
>4chan
>legal issues
wat
just fucking dump it man
>>143898180
>If there are a large amount of unemployed people who aren't contributing much to the prosperity of the state, then you can spend their lives to accomplish things at a much lower cost.
That does not change the fact that the system is flawed and dangerous eitherway
>>143898122
>A company that sells vehicles are different from a company that organizes militia forces
Again, I wasn't directly comparing the two. Eat a dick.
If you follow the quotes up the thread you'll see that some dumb shit implied that modern society was above putting a price on human life. I was merely demonstrating that he was full of shit.
>>143898129
>spearmen
Modern armies too. Look at WWII Russian. They sent a lot of almost completely untrained men out to fight.
>>143898237
Nope. That's the point.
A programmer can create a virus that can cause millions of loses but you need no license for it.
But doctor does
So why compare a vehicle company to a militia organization?
>>143898323
>>143898288
ok, famalamadingdongs
>>143898273
>Even if the harvest is poor, a living slave s worth more than a dead merc
And both of them are worth less to your own income than the chest of silver I sent you.
Corruption is a fucking thing and even from a governmental point of view human life explicitly is treated as a resource, not something special with a special price tag.
>Fucker.
>qualifications
Literally not relevant. Both of them caused people to die. An engineer who designs a house that collapses when someone jumps in it and a doctor who killed someone through neglecting some step in his surgery are both guilty of "murder by neglect" according to you.
>>143898326
>dangerous
To who, the adventurers or the fatass duke getting a cut / the state itself? Because if the state is getting something from it it's not that dangerous. Flawed I'll admit simply because it can be more efficient.
