Holy shit, was this fuckin intense and entertaining. I watched the whole thing in three days. Are other Dezaki works as immersive as this one?
>>143864413
He looks like a moe version of rainhard
>>143864848
She's more badass and interesting than that one-dimensional edgelord.
>>143864848
>he
Yes, other Dezaki works are good too. Ie Naki Ko, Ashita no Joe, Takarajima, Oniisama E...
You watched half of the show by a director known for making ultra dramatic mecha anime.
But no I find only 70s Dezaki and a few things like Lupin specials being that immersive, some works are so full of slow-mo, triple take and impact frames that it's exhausting.
>>143865151
I wish he made a bit weirder works. I think his works are really well made and beautiful but story-wise and thematically none of them exactly fit my preferences.
>>143865232
I actually found the second half more immersive.
>>143865232
So are any other Nagahama works worth checking out?
>>143865330
He died in the middle of RoV so you'd never see his character drama style better than in RoV. Daimos is the last one of the of his mecha shows, it's good but it's still not so special imo, just shows a bit more complex villains and gives them a chunk of sympathy, padded with a lot of formulaic robot stuff. He directed Dokonjo Gaeru before getting attached to mecha which is a big comedy classic in Japan but it's not subbed (either).
Rose of Versailles is easily one of the best anime ever made.
>>143865599
So tell me one thing, I always heard Dezaki was the director to intoduce the postcard memories technique. Whete an animated frame shifts into a detailed painting to add drama and significance to the scene. Then how come we see so many of them in the part of RoV that wasn't directed by Dezaki?
>>143865257
The Black Jack OVA series he did has some pretty weird shit.
Rose of Versailles was going to be remade, once upon a time. Too bad it fell through.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-FLNU39N3E
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>>143865939
That's a hard one, not like painted stills were totally new but they weren't used the same way (shifting a scene into one). Pic related is one from my Daimos folder. They weren't an old trademark to Dezaki then yet, he started using them a lot only in Takaraima (I remember hardly any in Ie Naki Ko, but increased Takarajima which wasn't as high-budget). Nagahama might have been influenced.
>>143866099
I don't see the need. It was a full adaptation and that shit looks beatuiful, especially in HD. I only find some of the smiles creepy but that's it.
>>143866405
I want it if only because more people would watch Rose of Versailles.
![The Rose of Versailles - 40 [BDRip 1436x1080 x264 Hi10P FLAC].mkv_snapshot_06.49_[2016.02.03_12.55.16].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/NhVgEu2.jpg "The Rose of Versailles - 40 [BDRip 1436x1080 x264 Hi10P FLAC].mkv_snapshot_06.49_[2016.02.03_12.55.16].jpg")
>>143864413
Might as well watch Space Cobra, has the best male MC in any anime ever or Ashita no Joe, the best sports anime or Takarajima if you liked the book or Oniisama e if you like over the top melodrama. But Rose of Versailles is certainly his best even though it wasn't all done by him.
>>143865650
Indeed.
>>143864848
Mein kaiser Reinhardto-sama is the moest
>>143865018
Don't talk shit about mein kaiser!
>>143867909
Ur kaiser is a fuccboi
>>143864413
Oniisama E if you're up for some drama, Cobra, Takarajima and Ashita no Joe for overall great quality.
>>143864848
But that's Reinhard-sama Anon, are you sure you're not mistaking it for Oscar from Rose of Versailles?
The key is recognizing Kircheis, just like in this shot.
>>143864413
Oniisama E is pretty rad. It's a somewhat more realistic and darker story.
>3rd episode of Ganba is out
>the rest will probably never be subbed
This really sucks because this is one of the few Dezaki shows I still haven't watched.
>>143868392
>realistic
If that's what it's like to be in an all girls school, then I pity those poor girls.
>>143865650
It's one the best when it's doing things right, everything afterOscar abandons the Royal Guardfor example, but it could be better as a whole. It wastes too much time with shit like Rosalie and Polygnac that don't add much to the story and are not very interesting on their own either. Also, my biggest complaint with the show is how Antoinette starts the show looking as if she shares protagonism with Oscar and gradually fades away in to secondary character oblivion.
>>143868574
I had a friend who was bullied at school. It wasn't an all-girls school, but the majority of bullies were girls, she said.
>>143868687
>It wastes too much time with shit like Rosalie and Polygnac that don't add much to the story and are not very interesting on their own either.
Hey fuck you, Rosalie's story was great, especially when she asks Oscar to teach her how to fight with a sword.
>>143868687
Well the anime is Oscar's show, if you want Marie you should read the mange since I hear it's more about her there.
>>143868771
It's not that I wanted more Marie, it's just that the whole think looks kind of weird when one of the main characters is nonchalantly dropped by the show with no real apparent reason.
I can only imagine it had to do with Oscar being tremendously popular with the audiences, but still, by the end of the series Marie Antoinette's has less lines on per episode than André's grandma on average.
>>143865650
The first half of the series was really weak, and the princess was an all-around annoying character regardless of that supposedly being intentional. Nearing the end it became really good, but I can hardly even call it anything close to "best anime ever made".
>>143868858
It's not that they're dropped, it's that they fade away, like you said. It wasn't abrupt at all.
>>143868950
I completely disagree.
>>143864848
Well, she is Reinhard's ancestor afterall. Who else could provide genes so beautiful and so noble?
>>143868974
It wasn't abrupt, but it was still very conspicuous. It bothered me at least. I'm not saying it's a fatal flaw or anything, the whole development of the revolution part was fantastic, but it's still a flaw in my view.
>>143866805
Casuals ruin everything. I for one want it to stay the way it is. Also, maybe it's an autistic gripe, but Oscar isn't the most historicaly correct show out there, and there's already enough raping of European history going around these days.
>>143868574
You should also take into account that most of the girls in the school were spoiled rich shits, so the cunty behaviour was kind of to be expected.
>>143869049
But she died without having kids, sillylike all degenerate traps, reverse traps and fuccbois should do.
>>143869204
If Oscar is degenerate the world would be better off being conquered by degenerates.
>>143869167
>isn't the most historicaly correct show out there
Well it still wants to be its own story no? Been a while since history class but I think there were still a lot of accuracies.
>>143869300
Well, it's sure cute how they demonized all the revolutionaries and turned them to AssCreed-tier ridiculous edgy villains so Oscar could be about the only decent person in France and an even bigger Mary Sue
>>143869441
There's so much wrong with your post I barely know where to begin.
![[ILA] Aim for the Ace! - 07.avi - 00.20.11.628.jpg](https://i.imgur.com/WHwV5gJ.jpg "[ILA] Aim for the Ace! - 07.avi - 00.20.11.628.jpg")
>>143864413
Yes, please watch Aim for the Ace. It's really really good.
>>143868359
Is the manga of Oniisama E better than the anime?
I've been meaning to dive into good shoujo for a while and that has been floating near the top of the list.
>>143868574
Fuck tripfags.
>>143868770
Rosalie is shit, I always liked her sister more. At least this one didn't complain all the time, was relatively smarter, and actually tried to do shit to help herself and her mother.
>>143869441
Robespierre was an asshole though.
>>143870151
Did we watch the same show?
>>143869441
You do know Robespierre instaured a little something called "La Terreur", which later gave its name to terrorism, you know that right?
>>143868310
Would buy as a pet.
>>143868950
How does it feels to have shit taste?
>>143871102
How is that shit taste? The princess was unbearable, and the stuff she did that was supposed to be played off as a good quality was just her being childish. Oscar treating it as if it was praiseworthy or rare was just silly as fuck. The side characters in the first half were really uninteresting in general and didn't get much development at all, frankly it was a below average series at that point. With a show of that length, I couldn't honestly recommend it to anyone with the amount of stuff you need to sit through before it actually gets interesting.
>>143864413
This show was so popular in Italy that it got its own 3dpd movie in the 90s. And it easnt even a japanese directed movie
>>143871279
In your opinion.
I think I liked Oniisama e... more. Stupid ending, but whatever came before was amazing.
>>143871279
I feel like Im being rused here.
>>143871279
>just her being childish
Because she still was a little child?
>>143864413
Isn't Udon suppose to release a official English manga translation this year?
>>143871471
I'm not saying that her being childish was unrealistic, I'm saying that Oscar having internal monologues over how it was somehow a praiseworthy thing and that her actions were even remotely honorable upon introduction was dumb as fuck.
>>143871526
It's because literally no one else in the nobility acted as genuine as her.
>>143871526
I think that worked really to establish the development of Oscar from a naive noble deluded with old fashioned ideals to a virtuous person who fights for the oppressed. I mean, Oscar's gradual realization that France is an extremely fucked up place wouldn't have had the same impact if she hadn't been so taken in by Antoinette's innocence and self-respect.
>>143871772
That doesn't make it a positive trait at all. Uncommon in that enviroment sure, but not something worthy of praise. In fact it's the exact opposite since she was directly causing problems for others by acting that way. If they want to paint it as her being just unfamiliar then I would've been fine with that, but Oscar getting a positive impression from her complete disregard of the consequences that come with her actions was just absolutely silly.
>>143871832
But Oscar did, because that's what fucking happened. Arguing that it's unrealistic is moot, because Oscar obviously didn't feel that way.
>>143871832
So you're complaining that a character in the show didn't have a perfect discerning eye for what's good and bad despite all her circumstances.
>>143871867
It's not just unrealistic, it's fucking dumb and just tries to push a completely false image of her when her actions contradict what we're being told of her. Making the groundwork for a relationship between two major characters so flimsy is a pretty major flaw, specially when it's highlighted throughout the show.
>>143864413
''Let them eat sushi''
What did she mean by this?
>>143871279
>>143871526
It makes sense for Oscar to think so. French court was kind of a viper's nest. The future queen being an innocent kid meant the country and the court might become a better place in the future. Of course it didn't matter in the end, but then again that's the point of writing a tragedy.
>>143871979
?????????????????
They were both really young. It's not like Oscar thought it was great that she ran away and caused trouble with other ladies and stuff.
>>143871986
She was trying to support trade with the far east as a new means of income to the state of France, weren't you paying attention?
>>143871976
No, I'm arguing that Oscar was trying to make Marie to be something she absolutely was not to the audience, as if the consequences that came with what she did was somehow worth handwaving just because she was being "genuine". Portraying her as young and unknowing of how to act would be fully possible without making her cause trouble for those around her. She was constantly a source of worry, and yet they wanted to make it seem like that wasn't fully the case because they needed to have the "change" later on in the show come across as more drastic.
>>143872093
It sounds like the problem is entirely on your end. The characters act whatever way they do and other character react to it. There are plenty of times Oscar chides her or says that she was wrong. She still admires her positive qualities even if she's not constantly fellating her.
>>143872093
>Oscar was trying to make Marie to be something she absolutely was not to the audience
Oscar can't see through the 4th wall anon. Oscar was being naive, like you'd expect from an adolescent noble girl, that's part of her character. None of that is hand waved as okay. Her growth out of that naivete culminates with her joining the revolution against Marie Antoinette. The show itself portrays Antoinette as a selfish cunt who refuses to face reality in the end. Did you really finish watching the show?
Why are you so fucking stupid?
>>143872217
>Oscar can't see through the 4th wall anon
She doesn't need to. Having internal monologues and sections dedicated to her thoughts over Marie somehow acting in an admirable manner does send a message to the viewer regardless of whether you like to interpret it as "just being what Oscar thinks".
Also you bring up something I specifically mentioned. Her change later on in the show is shown as being more drastic, when she was basically just acting the way she had been all along. The influencing factors from other characters were barely an issue because she had always been like that, but because of them trying to put her previous behaviour in a positive light, the supposed change was to be seen as grim.
I did finish watching the show, which I'm glad I did since without the latter half, it would've been a genuinely bad series. However the later development given to side characters who had yet to be given as much attention previously, and them no longer trying to shed a positive light on Marie's behaviour despite it being for the wrong reason did make for a much more engaging story.
>>143872351
Your entire point rests on the fact that you, and only you, feel that she didn't have any admirable qualities. That's fine, but you can't really say anything more than that about it. There's no wrong or right about it.
She's very different by the end of the show, though.
>>143864413
Reminder that Dezaki made this 30 years after the Manga ended (2014), for a Magazine about Marriage styles for women.
It's Oscar and Andre's marriage, sort of a fictional manual of how they prepared for readers to learn how to make their party, if they were alive to go with it.
>>143872689
>Oscar not in a suit
I can understand why, but I still want it.
>>143872794
Sadly that's the only two pages, the rest is just the Magazine sort of detailing the Marriage, guide style, for readers to learn and organize their own.
>>143872689
Wasn't Dezaki already dead by 2010? Don't you mean the mangas author?
>>143872933
That's pretty cute.
>>143872689
>>143872794
>>143872933
>>143872970
>>143872974
Source:
http://en.rocketnews24.com/2014/12/29/oscar-and-andre-tie-the-knot-the-manga-wedding-thats-been-40-years-in-the-making/
40 years.
>>143870648
And what of it? Still no excuse for a shitty one-dimensional and baltantly ahisorical portrayal. Why include historical characters at all if you can't do research and don't want to do a proper job. That's what irks me most, the unprofessionalism.
>>143870411
You could argue Marie and her husband were assholes as well. Their actions probably killed the same, or even greater amount of people Robespierre's did. Still in the show they are basically good guys. That's called whitewashing and Mary Sueism.
>>143873137
Zexy is a good name for a magazine.
Oniisama E blu ray when?
>>143864413
I will forever be grateful for my country airing this non stop so that I could watch it three times while growing up.
>>143873198
The show never claimed to be a historically accurate portrayal of how it went down.
If I was Fersen I would have three-wayed Oscar and Antoinette when I had the chance.
>>143873198
It's just a story anon, it has no obligation to be historically accurate. It will portray the characters for the benefit of the story not for the benefit of the history student. Sure, it's an admirable thing to do historical fiction that's historically accurate, but nobody should be obliged to do that. There's nothing 'unprofessional' about it. The most you can say is that you don't like historical fiction unless it's very historically accurate, but that's just your preferences. At the end of the day it's still just fiction.
>>143873198
They're portrayed as human. Normal people tend to be blind to their own flaws, and even people who commit great evil deeds still had families and people they were kind to. You're the one who has an over simplistic view of good and evil if you ask me.
>>143873668
>>143873668
OSCAAAR
ANDREEEE
>>143873727
>They're portrayed as human
Then why is the other side denied a human portrayal? Double standards, or plain laziness.
>>143874103
They're all portrayed pretty reasonably at first.
>>143874103
>why is the other side denied a human portrayal
Who is Oscar? Who is Bernard? Who is Andre? Who is Alain? Who is the accordion playing hobo? Who are all of the people suffering and fighting against oppression? Even Robespierre is not portrayed as a one-dimensional evil mastermind as you claim, he's a balance between an well meaning idealist and a power freak. The only one on the revolutionary side who really is 100% scumbag is that terrorist idiot who isn't even a very relevant character. Both sides are shown very humanely. It's your eyes that are trying to force a black-white perception over them.
BARA WA BARA WA
>>143874376
KEDAKAKU SAITE
>>143874376
>the entire OST will never be released
Does it even exist?
>>143874376
AH OSCAAAAR
>>143874449
It should have, even old ass anime have commericial OSTs.
>>143864848
>>143870890
No, sry, that one is for my personal use. Buy this one, we know you prefer brunettes anyway.
>>143874449
I believe a 4-disk OST was released, just never ripped. All we got is a dumb single disk with music and drama.
>>143876733
http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/product/UPCY-9490
So was Louis XVI a cuckold, like the literal definiton of the word, raising someone else's child and being okay with it?
It was ironic the kid cried for his "father" Louis when he was deadly sick and Marie was in tears because the kid wasn't crying "mommy", and tragic at the same time because Lady Oscar's portrayal of Louis XVI was too kind.
>>143877076
>Lady Oscar's portrayal of Louis XVI was too kind
That might be the case.
But how exactly being a cuckold makes someone a bad person? Would he be a better person if he honor-killed Marie and the kid, or what? By the way, historians don't accept Fersen-bastard theory as proved.
>>143877591
>But how exactly being a cuckold makes someone a bad person?
I wasn't implying that, just asking if he counts as one.
If anything else he really loving the kid was a sign of unconditional love.
>>143871369
>so popular in Italy that it got its own 3dpd movie
But wastn't it a French movie?
