Blu-ray
**2,511 Boku no Hero Academia Vol.1
**3,393 Bungou Stray Dogs Vol.1 Limited Edition + Event Ticket
DVD
**2,184 Boku no Hero Academia Vol.1
**4,435 Bungou Stray Dogs Vol.1 Limited Edition + Event Ticket
BONES DIDN'T FIND A WAY
They rarely do.
Post the dvds too you fucking shitposting dog.
>6k
>5k
>same as an average KyoAni season
>>143860575
BnHA's is about 4700
Bungou's is about 8000
Kyoani's average series gets between that in just Blu-ray sales.
>>143860471
>DVD
>**2,184 Boku no Hero Academia Vol.1
>**4,435 Bungou Stray Dogs Vol.1 Limited Edition + Event Ticket
Are you a retard?
What wI'll happen to anime when Bones finally goes under
>>143860575
KyoAni gets all the profit from their anime though.
>>143861828
Bones hasn't done a good anime since FMA.
Nothing will happen. Bones is just a waste of space now.
Now let's try posting this in a non-baity way
7,828 Bungou Stray Dogs
4,695 Boku no Hero Academia
>>143861679
>Kyoani's average series gets between that in just Blu-ray sales.
>Phantom World v1 sells 2076/512, total 2,588.
>Euphonium v1 sells 5683/872, total 6,555.
>>143863783
I bet his next reply will be
>but KyoAni is the IP holder so they end up getting more profit than the other studio's works.
Dudes, just let the thread die. There's nothing interesting to talk about.
Or at least pose a relevant question that isn't just some time-waste baiting.
>>143863832
they do, samefag-kun
and they aren't in the red like BONES
>>143863871
You just haven't got what it takes to shitpost.
>>143863908
(you)
When are the first sale results from summer being released?
>>143863963
butthurt
>>143864178
>get proven wrong
>shifts the argument
>no, you're just butthurt and samefag!
irony
>>143862027
Kyoani also needs to pay for everything.
IP ownership does not mean that you magically get more money.
BONES projects are funded by them and their partners and so everyone gets a split of the costs and profit.
Kyoani fund their stuff out of their own pocket and so they also take all the costs and profits.
>>143864195
who are you quoting?
>>143864269
and they take all the flop.
>>143863908
Don't worry, KyoAni will take them in when they go bankrupt.
>>143864329
Of course.
Shit like Phantom World hurts them more at the end than whatever studios manga/LN adaption flopping.
Of course its all calculated and at the end they could probably shit out another movie or S2 for it without needing to cut on anything.
Just shit out another season of Free! a few seasons later and they are back on track.
So, what's the actual point of this thread?
>>143864493
shitposting
>>143863908
Ahh, this is another word that kyoani fans like to use for Bones. "In the red".
It's like they can't think of other phrases and just parrot each other the same insult. Some other phrases you fuckers could've used for bad financial situations are:
>Losing money
>In dire straits
>Insolvent
>Budget deficit
>Negative cashflow
>Overspending
>Poverty-stricken
>Bankrupt
>Penniless
>Impoverished
>In the gutter
>Broke
>Financial crisis
>Out of funds
>>143864329
So are Kyoani. What, you think they are an exception to the rule?
>>143864584
The post you replied to WAS talking about kyoani.
>>143864584
I'm shit talking about kyoanus you retard learn to read.
>>143864611
I doubt anybody in this thread is willing to read what other people wrote anyway, and are just looking to post all the collected arguments from archives to fulfill a quota.
I personally hope that there will be a hidden Keit-ai to make this thread enjoyable.
>>143864611
>>143864665
His heart was in the right place.
>>143864560
thanks for the new shitposting material friend
>>143864666
It's funny how some people here like to complain about the prevalence of misunderstandings in animu and manga and yet here we are, we see plenty of examples of anons being absolute shit at holding a conversation or conveying their thoughts properly. Which result to whole bunch of silly drama. Just like in their anime.
>>143864493
Some Kyoanifag got mad and decided to make a thread, i don't know.
Welp, time to make Eureka 21.
>>143863125
>>143860146
Fujoshit.
>>143862027
They're about as independent as Shaft. Lantis always handles their music and handpicks their seiyuus.
They'll probably have to do some idolshit at some point.
>>143866060
>They're about as independent as Shaft
>>143864373
And Sunrise will take Kyoanus back when QUALITY Voice and Nevergarden crash and burn.
Maybe then the idolshitters will finally get Kyoanus QUALITY on LL dancing scenes.
>>143860146
How much less a DVD anime cost compared to a BD?
>>143866158
>I don't have any concrete argument so I'll just reply with memes
>>143866201
Neither do you, dumbass. Shaft doesn't select what they adapt and never will.
>>143866200
On average between 1k and 2k yen.
So ultimately, not by a lot.
>>143866258
Has kyoanus ever made any original series?
>inb4 Shinbo has deferential treatment by muh Aniplex bogeyman
>>143866258
They didn't ask to be slaves, please have some respect
>>143866329
KyoAni has made originals.
>>143866271
But that's like 1/3rd the cost. I can afford 20 bucks.
>>143860575
Profit threads are ultimately bullshit used by anons who want to justify why they hate things.
>>143860146
Who cares about shitty bones
Don't die
I'm genuinely surprised Hero didn't sell better.
I figured it was a fresh cash cow practically dripping at the teat.
>>143860146
I give Bones 5 more years before it goes bankrupt
Why do people think bones will go bankrupt? They arent that hugh budget a studio and the past 2 years have resulted in alot of profit especially with kekkai and show by rock. Concrete was the only one to flop.
>>143872846
>5 more years of action Sakuga
Fine by me.
>>143866171
Do you have any reason to capitalize or are you a retard?
>>143866060
>Lantis handling their music is as much restraining as Aniplex choosing their every project
no u.
>>143866171
The only reason Shaft didn't die after Graffiti (their second TV flop in a row) is because they're on Aniplex life support.
When 3gatsu inevitably flops and Aniplex tells Shitbo "you have failed me for the last time", perhaps Godani will have a janitor position open for him.
>>143866329
In an alternate universe Aniplex told Shinbo, "no thanks; magical girls are old hat. Besides, this script is too similar to Kamen Rider Ryuki; do you want to get sued?"
>>143873134
So...how'd they get Madoka out the door then if they're slaves?
And why is Aniplex always the frigging Antichrist? Aren't Pony Canyon and Kyoanus' former owner Kadokawa just as aggressive (you know, the way producers kinda have to be)?
>>143863832
Hahahahaha /a/ is pretty easy to predict a lot of the time with the cycles
>>143873408
Not quite on the same level but they do have the same shitty Western pricing. Aniplex just constantly forces bad story and characterization ideas onto hapless animation production teams because they think will make them more money if they do certain things like have teenage character take even more active roles in shows than they already do. My favorite is them forcing the team for Aldnoah to change a kill shot that was going from an adult male character looking to recover from PTSD and get back into the cockpit to that bitchy Rat girl because they figured it would sell better with otaku audiences even though the last couple episodes had obviously been about leading the adult male character up to the point of redemption and Rat girl had barely been featured in that arc up to that point.
Anyway this thread is quickly spiralling into the same old Kyoani vs Shaft discussions somehow despite it starting off being about Bones so I'm outta here.
>>143860146
They aren't original series, so bones still gets money regardless.
At least shitpost correctly.
Another year in the red for bones.
Concrete Revolutio (season 1) 666 average
Concrete Revolutio (season 2) 422 (vol 1)
>>143873669
You're late dude.
>Bungou is two cour.
>Boku no Hero S2 already confirmed.
RIP Bones, we had some good times
>>143871872
>I'm genuinely surprised Hero didn't sell better.
Its a battle shounen, those aren't expected to push disc sales at all (in comparison Twin Star Exorcist flopped hard) so considering the stakes it did a lot better than expected.
>>143874383
A second season for those is good since both sold considerably well last season than most shows, shit for brains.
>>143874744
Twin Star Exorcist has 50 episodes. It sold the same as Dragon ball Super. It didn't flop.
>>143873960
It's a dumb and boring thread anyway, so there's absolutely no loss if this turns into the same-old-same-boring kyoani vs shaft derail.
>>143874383
So? Both of those anime won't ever get season 3
>>143861741
Literally sells better than most other shows do you fag.
>>143875369
Fuck off you retarded bones fag
>>143863832
Well at least their income hasn't been in the negatives for the last two years.
>KyoAni
>Capital -> 10,000,000 yen
>Workers -> 149
>Fiscal year 2013(April 2013 to March 2014)
>Sales -> 2,127,000,000 yen
>Net Income -> 143,805,000 yen
>Fiscal year 2014(April 2014 to March 2015)
>Sales -> 2,300,000,000 yen
>Net Income -> 165,301,000 yen
>Bones
>Capital -> 10,000,000 yen
>Workers -> 64
>Fiscal year 2013(April 2013 to March 2014)
>Sales -> 1,980,000,000 yen
>Net Income -> -123,500,000 yen
>Fiscal year 2014(April 2014 to March 2015)
>Sales -> 1,222,000,000 yen
>Net Income -> -63,978,000 yen
>>143875369
Kill yourself.
>>143875427
Bones bought out by GodAni soon
>>143875302
>It sold the same as Dragon ball Super.
DBS sold 600 copies. How is that not a flop?
>>143874278
Conrevo was great but it was very obviously not a show created to make money. It was masturbatory niche appeal, just like most BONES originals.
I like them but I'm not really sure why they bother making them. Is it just arthouse portfolio stuff?
>>143875302
>Twin Star Exorcist has 50 episodes.
And?
>It sold the same as Dragon ball Super. It didn't flop.
That's fucking terrible.
>>143860146
R.I.P.
>>143875427
>KyoAni workers -> 149
>Makes 2 shows every year
>Bones workers -> 64
>Makes shows every season
>>143875567
But only bones has QUALITY
>>143875551
>I like them but I'm not really sure why they bother making them.
Because they want to? As oppose to animating shit who's only purpose is to promote their own shitty original catalog?
>>143875487
Please. Kyoani can't even make action scenes like Bones without even pissing themselves.
>>143875669
Because they're a business. They have to make things that make money if they want to continue to exist. They don't do things just to piss money away.
Conrevo obviously didn't break even, didn't even come close, so what did it accomplish for them as a business?
>>143875667
Please, bitch. They're catching up in terms of art quality. Soon your precious studio won't be so special.
>>143874744
Twin star exorcist is a primetime anime retard and it's doing exceptionally well in terms of views in China thanks to millions of people that likes anime.
>>143875870
Read again >>143875551
>>143875870
>They have to make things that make money
They haven't been doing a good job at it.
>>143875935
Cool bullshit bro
>>143875427
They'll end up getting bankrupt like Madhouse soon.
>>143875870
In the anime industry, getting a constant workflow is what keeps a studio afloat.
Not that such information matters in this thread for any of you. You're all going to ignore it when you redo [studiowars#231567] next week and then rehash all the same boring arguments again.
>>143875567
Bones uses outsourcing/freelancers while KyoAni works solely with their inhouse staff. They need more employees because they can't rely on outside help like a Tokyo studio would.
>>143875935
>Twin star exorcist is a primetime anime
So is BnHA. What's your point?
>and it's doing exceptionally well in terms of views in China
Citation needed also irrelevant
>>143876062
>Bones uses outsourcing/freelancers
Most of animators working on OPM are from Bones, including Yutaka Nakamura. I'd say their number of talented animators are in good standing.
>>143875870
>They have to make things that make money if they want to continue to exist
Out of their original catalog only two thus far has been successful (Chuu2 and Euphonium) the test flopped or underperformed. So they're essentially making shit and getting shit returns while BONES is just doing whatever they want to in between a steady flow of work. Who would have fucking fought SHAFT wpuld be adapting the award winning 3 Gatsu Lion while KyoAni is wasting their talent.
>>143876029
It has garnered almost 47 million views with just 13 episodes according to the website that has the license for the show.
http://www.iqiyi.com/a_19rrhaeqtd.html
>The total amount of play: 46,990,000 times
>>143876292
>test
*rest
>>143876103
Difference is BnHA has the better timeslot and yet its performance was below average.
>Citation needed also irrelevant
sure anon.>>143876309
>>143876309
>streaming
Oh...nevermind. I thought you had something applicable.
>>143876390
You're using one streaming site from China as proof the show is doing well when its sales and ratings are dismal.
>>143876390
>and yet its performance was below average.
Which is why its getting a second season on the same time slot?
>>143863783
Euphonium Vol 1 sales were 10,120
>>143876409
>>143876456
I guess you guys haven't heard. Chinese streaming sites help a great deal to the anime industry, they basically help more than CR.
>>143876231
>Most of animators working on OPM are from Bones,
Wrong. Most animators working on OPM were freelance webgen animators along with a few from Bones, Pierrot and Sunrise etc.
>>143876309
>Wow...its fucking nothing
>>143875567
I don't believe that thing is right. Bones is a much bigger company, and KyoAni has only 70~ employees that are actually involved in production, the rest are most likely accountants, web designers, store clerks, etc.
>>143876517
>Chinese streaming sites help a great deal to the anime industry,
Nice meme
>>143860146
These aren't as bad as you make it out to be.
>>143876509
>first week sales
>>143876509
>10,120
Yeah...by the end of the year
>>143876630
In the end, it's just the same kids from /m/ who also browse /v/ aping around on /a/.
>>143876409
>>143876456
>>143876552
>>143876603
Newsflash oldfags, streaming is king.
BD sales are outdated, the japs have finally realized it and the entire anime industry is shifting towards streaming.
>>143876517
>Chinese streaming sites help a great deal to the anime industry
>>143876697
No, by the second week.
>>143876409
>Oh...nevermind. I thought you had something applicable.
Chinese streaming sites help shows more than crunchyroll, funimation and all the other western streaming sites combined.
>The AJA attributes the increase to growth in rights sales and commercialization of video distribution in China.
http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1421080
>>143876456
>Ratings dismal
Do you have anything to prove that it's ratings are dismal for a 6:30pm show airing in wednesdays?
>>143876495
Considering it's a split cour, no it's not. Gundam IBO will be airing in the timeslot after Nanatsu no Taizai until March 2017.
>>143875343
Shows rarely ever get an S3 no matter how well they sell.
>>143874788
I don't understand why you're so angry Anon?
I was simply implying that it doesn't matter what the sales are because Bungou is 2 cour and Boku S2 is confirmed.
>>143876591
I think those numbers are straight from their finance reports
Bones just gives off the impression they are bigger because they work on multiple shows but that just means they outsource more of their work
>>143876773
Japan hasn't made the jump to streaming yet so yeah it ain't applicable.
>>143876828
>The AJA attributes the increase to growth in rights sales and commercialization of video distribution in China.
>IN CHINA
Yeah not Japan. So the revenue made isn't goung directly to them.
>Do you have anything to prove that it's ratings are dismal for a 6:30pm show airing in wednesday
The fact that it has never made the top 50 ranking since it started?
>>143876789
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2015-08-25/report-anime-industry-up-10-percent-in-2014/.92114
>Anime Industry up by 10%
>The AJA attributes part of this success to merchandise and the sale of streaming rights in China.
Streaming is taking over and this report is from 2014.
>>143876828
>it's a split cour
Found the retard
>>143876231
>Most of animators working on OPM are from Bones, including Yutaka Nakamura
Like who? Most notable animators on OPM were freelancers, some have worked on BONES anime before, sure, but besides Nakamura, I don't think anybody was an actual employee at BONES.
>>143877004
>2014
You just continue being stupid. No amount of bullshit is gonna stop Twin Star Exorcist from being a flop especially one random Chinese website
>>143877004
streaming has stagnated since then though
>>143875343
Can you see into the future now?
>>143876979
>Yeah not Japan. So the revenue made isn't goung directly to them.
It depends on the contract retard. How the fuck do you know if it's going directly to them or not?
>The fact that it has never made the top 50 ranking since it started?
So you're implying Gintama, World Trigger and Naruto were a failure too because they never made it in the top 50 rankings?
>>143876898
The numbers are deceptive because it's payroll numbers, and animation studios generally make heavy use of freelance work. BONES has a lot of freelancer animators they use so frequently they might as well be employees, but aren't technically employees. Their company payroll is small because they're a well-connected company that has a lot of consistent freelancers they contract to.
If you're comparing it to kyoani it's a little disingenuous. Both utilize an appropriate number of animators for their projects, but kyoani places a great deal of emphasis on in-house work as part of their company's policy.
>>143877230
>It depends on the contract retard. How the fuck do you know if it's going directly to them or not?
You're the retard saying that one streaming site can compensate for Twin Star Exorcist being a flop. That's as retarded as you're going to be.
>Gintama, World Trigger and Naruto were a failure too because they never made it in the top 50 rankings?
Actually they did. Twin Star didn't and they don't share the same time slot.
>>143876058
Yup. At this point I've given up on explaining these things to people because now it feels like rehashing it to people that just want to say shit as well. They don't care about anything other than the cycle
>>143876058
Look people still think sales are relevant to third party studios and not producers so what can you really say to them.
>>143877230
>So you're implying Gintama, World Trigger and Naruto were a failure too because they never made it in the top 50 rankings?
You're thinking about top 10. I don't get what's his source for this 'top 50" though.
>>143876603
There are legal chinese streaming sites like bilibili, youku and iqiyi. These sites license streaming rights in their country. That means they paid them.
>>143876390
>and yet its performance was below average.
>Monthly Oricon franchise sales for May 2016. This means anything they track (disk sales, manga/ln sales, OP/ED sales).
>#1 Girls und Panzer (2.1b yen, 19.5m $)
>#2 Arashi (1.1b yen, 10.8m $)
>#3 Star Wars (960m yen, 9m $)
>#4 Haikyuu!!
>#5 Osomatsu-san
>#6 Kuroko no Basuke
>#7 Boku no Hero Academia
>#8 Ajin
>#9 Arslan Senki
>#10 Fairy Tail
>#11 Kingdom
>#12 Kamen Rider
>#13 Owari no Seraph
>#14 Shokugeki no Soma
>#15 Gintama
>#16 Terra Formars
>#17 Boku dake ga Inai Machi
>#18 Bleach
>#19 Magi
>#20 Gundam
>Monthly Oricon franchise sales for April 2016. This means anything they track (disk sales, manga/ln sales, OP/ED sales).
>#1 One Piece (1.1b yen, 9.7m $)
>#2 Star Wars (961m yen, 8.8m $)
>#3 Shingeki no Kyojin (905m yen, 8.3m $)
>#4 Assassination Classroom
>#5 Osomatsu-san
>#6 Kingdom
>#7 Boku no Hero Academia
>#8 Detective Conan
>#9 Terra Formars
>#10 007 Spectre (US movie)
>#11 Nanatsu no Taizai
>#12 Magi
>#13 HKT48 (J-Pop)
>#14 Monogatari
>#15 Kamen Rider
>#16 Haikyuu!!
>#17 Wotaku ni Koi wa Muzukashii
>#18 Love Live!
>#19 Boku dake ga Inai Machi
>#20 Golden Kamui
Current ratings as of July 8th is sitting at a 2.34 average with two episodes not weighed. Its been doing fine.
>>143876885
>I was simply implying that it doesn't matter what the sales are because Bungou is 2 cour and Boku S2 is confirmed
Really? With your aura the way you said it sounded like it's coming from a smug little shit. Sorry.
>>143877474
>That means they paid them.
Up front. Their revenue is made through streaming numbers so they jusy get the licensing expense compare to Netflix in which they get the licensing expense plus a portion of the viewing revenue.
>>143876292
The only reason Shaft is doing that one is because they are the darling of Aniplex and they couldn't cram in through A-1 instead. I'm still not convinced Shaft even has it in them to do a day time mainstream aiming adaptation which is probably why they have a live action film adaptation set up too.
isn't a silent voice an award winning manga too are are we just shitposting here still?
>>143877344
>You're the retard saying that one streaming site can compensate for Twin Star Exorcist being a flop. That's as retarded as you're going to be.
How is it a flop if it's doing well internationally? You do realize the only reason Saint Seiya franchise is alive is because of international licensing sales retard?
>Actually they did.
Citation needed
>>143877568
That includes sales from manga retard. Bnha. It literally says in the beginning. Jesus christ Bnhafags can't be this stupid right?
>>143877732
>How is it a flop if it's doing well internationally?
>internationally
Just China. In comparison AssClass overseas stream numbers were high enough that the second season was greenlight in spite of the sales numbers according to the producer.
>You do realize the only reason Saint Seiya franchise is alive is because of international licensing sales retard?
Saint Seiya had hard sales numbers not something as vague as streaming numbers. They're not even comparable.
>Citation needed
You must be new. Naruto frequently ranks within the top ratings percentile.
>tfw Bones will die in your lifetime
>>143877828
>This means anything they track (disk sales, manga/ln sales, OP/ED sales).
>ANYTHING THEY TRACK
Why are detractors for this series so salty its doing well?
>>143877687
>isn't a silent voice an award winning manga too
No?
>>143877828
You don't make that much money through manga sales alone retard.
>>143877892
>Just China. In comparison AssClass overseas stream numbers were high enough that the second season was greenlight in spite of the sales numbers according to the producer.
The second season wasn't just because of the stream numbers you monkey. The live action film and the increase in manga sales played a part too.
>Saint Seiya had hard sales numbers not something as vague as streaming numbers. They're not even comparable.
It's not vague when you consider streaming in China has played a part in the growth of Anime.
>You must be new. Naruto frequently ranks within the top ratings percentile.
Why aren't you posting any proofs then?
>>143877939
>Why are detractors for this series so salty its doing well?
Because the series released a new volume in April and had manga boosts so the revenue is from that. The money is from those unless you're stupid enough to think the reason Kingdom, Terra Formars, Kuroko no Basket and Ajin ranked there is because of disk sales, merchandise and OP/ED sales.
>>143878035
You do retard.
>>143878035
Yes you do. That is why anime is an advertise for manga
>>143878035
Fucking retard
>>143878083
>The live action film and the increase in manga sales played a part too.
Nope. The director of development said it was mainly because of stream numbers .
yaraon-blog.com/archives/68101
>The director of Fuji Television's development, Kenji Shimizu, recently stated that the revenue just from oversea streaming alone, especially from China, is enough to pay for pretty much all the production costs for Assassination Classroom's anime
So the success if the live action adaptation had nothing to do with anything and the increase in sales wasn't even that significant .
>It's not vague when you consider streaming in China has played a part in the growth of Anime.
It is vague because there's no applicable data and since we know nothing in regards to how much they're getting its an irrelevant subject to bring up unless someone from the production committee steps in and says it is.
> Why aren't you posting any proofs then?
Because I'm not spoonfeeding a retard.
>>143865259
E7:Ao killed tge E7 franchise, it was their attempt to resurrect the E7 world and it failed with it's reception among fans and most critics(for good reason) and did mediocre to poor in sales.
Any hope for a proper sequel or one to attempt to fix the mess Ao made is basically a pipe dream.
>>143878296
>Kingdom
Had a new box set and merchandise
> Terra Formars
Like action movie and merchandise
>Kuroko no Basket
Discs and merchandise
>>143878296
>Ajin
Movie and discs
You lose again hater
>>143878630
Cool horseshit bro
>>143878626
>mfw it's real
>>143878705
>Had a new box set and merchandise
Show numbers
>Like action movie and merchandise
Show numbers
>Discs and merchandise
Show numbers.
>Movie and discs
Show numbers
>>143879426
>spoonfeed
>spoonfeed
>spoonfeed
>spoonfeed
Always had to lower ourselves to you, don't we Kyoanifag
>implying mob psycho 100 won't save them
>>143866336
How'd the slaves get Madoka greenlit?
>>143880223
Shitbo is Aniplex's favorite whore.
>>143880586
Says a lot about Shaft that the so-called Walmart Madoka (YYY) has better animation most of the time, and no sixth finger on Tougou after a month-long earthquake delay they could've used to proof their work and fix that shit.
>>143875667
Pls, anon...
https://sakuga.yshi.org/data/5658a8fba6a419cc5af253655425f528.mp4
>>143860146
Look at those dvd sales.
FUJOSHIT STRONG.
Mob Psycho 100 will easily make them money with all the fujo-pandering.
>>143866329
Munto.
