Honestly, why didn't Gilgamesh just chain of heaven Shirou down, I mean that will be the end of the story. He can react faster with than Ea which needs to be charged, a fucking big bullshit plot hole if you ask me.
>>143739489
He did it for Berserker when he came back from the dead, with extreme speed, even then he chained him down. He even said that Humans would be chained more tightly, he can just rip him apart. If he's at the extent of resorting to Ea why not just chain him down, wtf?
>>143739489
>Triggered
>>143739489
How many times do we have to have this thread? His arrogance is why, and the chain only works on the divine or semi-divine. You don't know what a plothole is.
>>143740531
Explain
should i watch this edgy clusterfuck of a show
i never watched it because it seemed fucking retarded
Enkidu is only strong against the divine and even then it's possible to break it. Shirou being regular human could probably just cut it down with UBW swordrain or K&B.
>>143739489
Enkidu becomes more powerful depending on how divine a person its used on is.
For instance, Berserker is a demi-god, so it works real well.
Shirou's just a human, so it at most works like a regular chain. A quick sword shot at it should stop it like anything else.
>>143740633
It's basically transformers, the anime, director pulls out of his ass explosions without caring about the story's validity
>>143740627
The explanation is you're a filthy secondary and that's probably a wrong translation. The chain is extraordinarily strong against the divine, but it's just a regular chain when used against non-divine.
>>143739489
Listen up, those chains are strong but not THAT strong when he's using it on people like Shirou who doesn't have divine properties. See how Hercules couldn't break the chains at all? That's because he's a demigod. And there's Gilgamesh's ego too. He's doesn't want to use the chains to an enemy he doesn't acknowledge.
>>143739489
Because Gilgamesh is an arrogant cuck, I have no doubt in my mind Gilgamesh would've been able to kill Shirou if he considered him an equal.
>>143740762
Are you saying an ultra strong regular chain isn't enough to rip him apart?
>>143740862
>Arrogant Cuck
>Already went to the extent of pulling Ea
>>143740936
It could, but so could all those other swords Gil was throwing at him could, and they didn't, did they?
Cause he had, you know, other swords blocking them.
Plus, when Shirou was caught by the chain at the end, he said he'd be willing to tear his arm off so Gil would lose. The guy was just far more invested.
>>143741004
That was enough prove that it would be strong enough to effectively chain him down
>>143741033
It chained him down when he was out of mana and he thought Gil was dead.
Inside UBW, it would have been just like any of the other swords Shirou blocked.
>>143741004
He could always just pull out the chains at the right time, like when he made dash into him as in pic related, it's not like the chains aren't fast deployable
>>143741095
He could just chain him down and spam, you're telling me shirou can pull swords out of his ass fast enough
>>143740633
It's a mix between Bleach and Pokemon with a bit of Harry Potter in the background, but it all runs on trashy h-doujin logic.
>>143740817
>Already pulled out Ea
>Ego
Ok
>>143741341
By the time he's pulled out Ea he's already pretty willing to use Enkidu. I mean it happens only a few seconds later.
>>143739489
Reminder that Gilgamesh has more than 30x Shirou's reaction time, more than 30x Shirou's movement speed, and more than 40x Shirou's physical strength. Gilgamesh could just have punched Shirou in the face and that would have been enough.
>>143739489
Just chalk it down to him being shocked that a failed magus managed to cut off his arm. The guy is 2/3 god who is humanity's first hero, and some no-name ginger just dismembered him, stopping him from using his most precious posession, all the while countering all of his other valuable artifacts. That's a got to be a huge blow to the ego.
What I want to know is how the Gilgamesh at the Throne of Heroes feels about this.
>>143741467
But Shirou was as strong as Emiya in this fight.
>>143741467
Yeah, but Shirou gains strength based off the weapons he traces, so it evens out.
>>143741467
Something something, swords move on their own and protect Shirou
>>143741508
He left it, just like the UK left EU
>>143741535
He only traces the fighting skills and experience, not the physical attributes.
>>143741535
Can shirou browse and internet and look at swords and absorb them?
>>143741593
Yet we're able to see him outright run faster and move better when fighting. That can't be chalked down to the other people not giving their all.
>>143739489
He doesn't like to use Enkidu at whim.
Also, it wouldn't work since Shirou is just human, and the Enkidu is a weapon against the divine.
>>143741535
So does Shirou have an Eidetic memory or something when it comes to swords? He can pull out any one of the thousands of swords from UBW and know what each does? That's some impressive autism.
>>143741746
It's chalked up to it looking cool.
>>143741824
Yep. It's his whole thing. Guy loves his swords.
>>143742060
You first.
>>143741902
Shirou and Gilgamesh are literally spam to win: the servants, no skill involved. Both of them know they are shit without their swords, so that's why they especially emiya chooses to withhold sword spamming and fight and win earnestly
>>143741824
he's had avalon stuffed up his soul's butt since he was like five, and it's made his origin (his particular magic affinity) "sword"
>>143742085
Just spam and rho ais if there is too much heat, until the opponent cannot block the blades anymore
>>143742104
Why couldn't shirou be cool like kiritsugu and actually use guns, would make shit more versatile for him, he could fight servants and kill masters, pair him up with himself and you got spamming duo, not even gilgamesh can stop that monstrocity
>>143742060
Secondaries always ruin these threads.
>>143742230
Shirou does learn to use guns when he goes out to be a mercenary (Archer in Extra is shown to own a lot of guns). It's just, you know, kind of hard for a kid in Japan to be packing a particularly large amount of heat.
Even a Caster class servant should be able many times faster and stronger than every human could ever be, even with reinforcement.
How could Shirou overcome this?
>>143742230
Why couldn't emiya just snipe all the masters with his noble phantasm?
>>143742344
By spamming
>45 posts
>17 fucking IDs
Jesus fucking christ, are all the secondary post from one fucking guy that its baiting the rest of the thread or what
>>143742344
>How could Shirou overcome this?
He can't. He said so himself that Gil is the only Servant he can fight.
>>143742344
Humans fighting servants ain't that crazy.
>>143742432
Well that and Archer.
And Berserker in HF.
Also Saber.
...
>>143742432
Well to be honest, taking how Shirou is the China import of Gilgamesh, and how he absolutely destroyed Heracles, it's safe to assume he stands a good chance between other servants.
Even if he fights iskandar, would he not be able to spam swords at his army?
>>143742509
I WANT SECONDARIES SHITS TO LEAVE
>>143742509
Definitely.
Alexander is one of the weakest servants, the only way he could win is by fighting even weaker servants like Lancers with zero AOE / spam capabilities.
>>143739489
Because willpower. Japan loves that whole schtick...even at the expense of every plot device they create.
>>143739489
Wouldn't Shirou have beat Gilgamesh even if he used Ea?
Because here's what I found: He can also project it from a distance, allowing him to shield Shirou from Gilgamesh's Enuma Elish without either of them realizing it. (Type Moon Wiki)
So he would have went away scot free anyways
>>143742488
Archer was weak as shit at that time and he still was winning.
In HF he got Archer arm boost and his opponents were blind, charging like a retard Zerker and Saber who was ordered to stop him, not to kill him.
>>143741208
He doesn't need to pull the swords out they are already summoned. That's the whole point.
>>143741824
>So does Shirou have an Eidetic memory or something when it comes to swords?
Nope, his origin + projection magic + his reality marble are what makes it possible.
Remove one and all the rest crumble.
>>143742767
If you removed a chunk of what makes you you, you probably wouldn't be able to do a lot of things.
>>143742509
>it's safe to assume he stands a good chance between other servants.
He doesn't stand a chance against Tsukihime Shiki so Servants are out of question.
>>143742845
Considering he fights more than half of the ones summoned in his own VN, I think that "not standing a chance" might be pretty wrong.
>>143742845
Can't he just job and spam swords in UBW
>>143742725
Ea would destroy the reality marble, so no.
>>143739489
>image.jpg
>that shitty image quality
>bait question
Why are people replying seriously to this thread?
>>143742975
Cause it's a Fate thread.
I could make a thread about Rin's ass if you prefer.
>>143742350
I'd assume it'd use way too much mana.
>>143743015
Make one about worm slut
>>143743126
I'd rather not have an eight hour debate about whether or not Sakura's a virgin.
>>143743082
I'm sure Rin can pull a fuckload of mana out of her anus.
>>143742488
Nice dubs
>>143743015
I think that would be a much better thread.
>>143739489
Because Shiro is the MC and he put his semen inside Rin
>>143742344
Shirou can literally only beat a sibgle type of enemy. He can beat those who haven't mastered a weapon or a fighting style, but those are the only people he can beat. Anyone who has mastered a weapon, any kind of weapon, he doesn't stand a chance in hell against those people.
>>143742350
he could.
He sniped caster.
He killed caster's master
He doesn't want to hurt Rin
He doesn't want to hurt Ilya
He doesn't want to hurt Sakura
He never met Kirei
>>143741208
Did you even watch the thing or are you just baiting at this point?
The whole fight was based around Shirou being capable to pull swords fast enough because UBW created them automatically, they were already ready to be shoot at any time.
Type Moon is about situations and scenarios. Dumbasses only can remember all the cool and flashy attacks and ridiculous abilities, but those aren't what decide most fights. The situation and scenario determine how the fight is going to end. Assassin is a piss weak servant, both Fake and True but they are shown to hand Saber her ass multiple times. Should they be able to do this 9 out of 10 times, fuck no, they should rightly get blown the fuck away but they still trash Saber.
>>143742739
She was ordered to let Rin go through, and kill the rest who tries to pass through, with a clause that capturing Shirou would be cool too. Obviously she went full serious at the end of the fight. Face it Saber Alter lost 1v1 in a swordsfight against a half dead Shirou with a magic arm that was trying to kill him.
So why was that Japanese guy able to beat up Saber?
I read the VN a while back. I don't remember.
Is it really because he caught her off guard?
>>143744766
The one bad end said she was ordered by Sakura to bring Shirou to her and she says Sakura wants him to live. It's pretty obvious she didn't pull out all the stops because a tiny mana burst incinerated Calabolg. She waited until he resolved to fight and fought him in a fair duel, when she could have just vaporized him.
>>143744897
It is really just because she was caught off guard. Normally his attacks would just be a shit but his assassin skills combined with Caster's augment got her off guard.
>>143742449
Yeah, but don't forget in that fight Caster was buffing Kuzuki like a motherfucker.
>>143739489
Shirou is not a divine being.
>>143744897
he was buffed by caster and his fighting style is obscure so it was hard for saber to fight against it.
if they fought more than once and for more than a few minutes she'd probably get the hang of how he fights and just beat him shitless.
>>143739489
>Enkidu
It'll be useful if you use with God-type but if it's human it just a normal chain.
>>143741593
in Heavens feel he has shown being able to trace physical abilities aswell.but that was with archers arm and it was so shirou can't do it yet.
Phoneposters should be banned.
>>143740813
>>143740817
>The chain is extraordinarily strong against the divine, but it's just a regular chain when used against non-divine.
And does it NEED to be anything more than regular? It's not like Shirou is super strong or anything, normal people can't break chains.
>>143746437
i mean he did leap like what 20 feet in the air? and again. GIlgamesh is to proud to use Enkidu as it's according to him his most pretious weapon. Him using it on shirou would be like using a Grenade on a single rat in his eyes.
>>143746625
>i mean he did leap like what 20 feet in the air?
He was sword surfing.
>>143746625
>i mean he did leap like what 20 feet in the air?
Gravity is fucked up in Ufotable adaptations. There's no moon jumping in vn
>>143747098
well he is able to swing his sword hard enough to break both his sword and the one Gil uses. that might be an indication of having a good deal of strength.
>>143739489
>>143739538
>>143740627
Oh look the samefagging mobile poster is back again and even forgot to drop his namefagging.
https://boards.fireden.net/a/search/image/MGqeyTFW-ncp7P5FSK9yRg/
>caring about unlimited shit works
>when Heaven's Feel exists
>>143747235
It's not really his strength, his swords are fighting for him >>143741535
>>143747420
HF sucks 2bh
