Is Anno overrated?
Eva is inevitably overrated.
>>143647564
Who?
>>143647564
Maybe, but to me he looks like someone better suited to an audio-related medium rather than a visual one
Why is this allowed?
hes a lovely man
>>143647564
No, he probably doesn't get enough credit if anything.
>>143647612
I think it deserves the praise.
Fanboys are annoying, they always are, but Eva is just top tier and saying it's overrated is just a way of being contrarian in that case.
>>143647662
We get it.
Ideon sucks get over it.
He's built an empire for himself through trolling. It's iffy to call him overrated.
>>143647623
Anno man, The legendary director.
Evangelion?!
Ah, forget it!
No, most people haven't seen a fraction of his work outside the obvious.
>>143648770
This.
Shiki-Jitsu is a lovely movie, everyone should watch it.
And both RE:Cutie Honey and live action Cutie Honey are amazing.
Can't wait for Kinodzilla.
>>143647612
Evangelion had an undeniable impact on anime as a whole, it's one of the five most important anime there are.
>>143651049
Top ten maybe. What are your other four?
>>143651624
What 5-10 anime are more important than NGE?
Anyone who claims Anno to their favorite director is just a Eva fan boy who knows hardly any anime directors.And this is coming from someone who is a Evangelion fan boy who knows hardly anything about Anime directors
>>143651999
Ashita no Joe, Ace Wo Nerae, Gundam, pre-eva mecha anime in general
>>143652151
i'm a Nadia fanboy
He needs more work to really bring out his talent. He's definitely good, but he's only really made one masterpiece tier anime
>>143652169
>what anime are more important than Eva
>pre-eva mecha anime in general
You can't lump fucking twenty-five years of anime together and then compare them to one series.
>>143647564
No he's done some cool things in a bunch of different areas
Yes.
The new Godzilla looks so fucking terrible.
Never ever allow this man to touch anything again.
I don't know, he looked a pretty fun guy to hang out with in Blue Blazes.
>>143652610
I like to think that Anno actually recreates scenes from Ultraman in public baths
>>143652659
I think he moved out of that phase.He surely still acts like that when alone in his room. He must be very cute.
>>143647662
Why do you keep spamming this image?
>>143652723
He probably still does it now that he is a bigshot.
>>143652723
Watch Insufficient Direction if you haven't.
>>143652169
How is Ace Wo Nerae important?
>>143652848
sets up much of the general shoujo dynamic you see and female-driven sports anime.
The character archetypes introduced there are still used today.
>>143652829
>Insufficient Direction
I shall, thank you so much. Didn't even know it was a thing.
>>143651999
Sally the Witch, Ashita no Joe, Heidi, Yamato, Gundam, Rose of Versailles, Macross, Urusei Yatsura, Nausicaa, Akira.
I'm not saying Eva's not influential, because it is. I just think it's definitely up for debate as a top fiver.
>>143652979
Your list is severely missing Dragonball
>>143652979
The fact that all of those are older than Eva, pre 1990 even really makes you think.
>>143653189
Yeah, that's because almost everything post-Evangelion is heavily influenced by it.
>>143653189
That's because anime is an established medium now.
There's still some experimentation, but of a completely different kind.
The old shows developed the tools that the new shows are being shaped with.
>>143653155
Dragonball was not influential or good.
It was just a shitty "comedic" Journey to the West knockoff.
>>143652979
>I just think it's definitely up for debate as a top fiver
There's a reason the term "post-eva anime" exists.
>>143653155
Probably has a spot in there too, yeah.
>>143653189
That's just because I was thinking chronologically, plus naturally it's easier to notice the influence of something the further back you go. Lots of important post-Eva series too. Utena, Spirited Away, Azumanga etc.
>>143652498
>The new Godzilla looks so fucking terrible.
wow, serious shit taste.
>>143653334
Dragonball just invented the shounen formula. Regardless of how shit you believe it is everyone and their mother copied it.
>>143653334
Fucking hipsters and their shitty opinions
>>143652169
>>143652979
Gundam is the only show of either of these lists that is unquestionably more influential than or as influential as Eva. Urusei Yatsura, Rose of Versailles, and Ghibli in general are probably on that level too, though I'm not sure if they're above Eva. I would have to be convinced of the others.
>>143653890
Pretty sure it existed beforehand.
>>143653953
What influence did Eva even have, other than more disgusting waifu and otaku pandering?
>>143654000
Maybe if you were alive/conscious back in the 90s, you'd know!
>it's a western pigs try to discern what was influential and why even though they only have a few years of experience with the medium and only thanks to the internet
Fucking Gen Z kiddies.
>>143651999
All the Anime that Eva ripped off
>>143654116
Stop parroting memes.
Everything is a "rip off" of ancient Journey of the Hero tales, anyway. durrrr
>>143654228
Anno said himself Eva is a ripoff.
>>143654092
Enlighten us, oh great one.
>>143654306
Yeah, Anno also said your mom knows how to suck cock dry.
>>143654000
Making anime more about people than big robots.
It invented the beta MC for harem anime for the early 2000s.
>>143654092
>people who watch anime can't spot when an anime uses elements from other shows
>>143654116
ALL OF THEM?
>>143654306
Prove it.
>>143654306
>>143654228
the proper term is "pastiche"
>>143654039
"Influence" means that it stretches to today, retard.
Burden of proof falls on you Evageek.
>>143654359
>Making anime more about people than big robots.
but gundam already did that
but macross already did that
>>143654359
>Making anime more about people than big robots.
>It invented the beta MC for harem anime for the early 2000s.
No.
>>143654395
try being born earlier, the world doesn't revolve about your moeblob shit.
Evangelion wasn't influential, it's boring and for nerds and losers and nobody watched it
>>143654359
>Making anime more about people than big robots.
Oh, so what Mobile Suit Gundam did 20 years before it?
>It invented the beta MC for harem anime for the early 2000s.
That I agree with.
>>143653155
DB is only influential in the shonen genre, and for manga, at that. The anime did nothing to influence animation techniques/storytelling.
>>143654448
moe anime is the only reason anime even exists in this day an age.
eva is to blame, obviously.
>>143654359
>>143654460
Tenchi Muyo predates NGE. And I don't think it's the first.
>>143654449
Wait, you just described anime as a whole
I guess Eva was influential after all.
>>143654448
You mean the moeblob shit that's being influenced by your beloved Evangelion?
OH WAIT
>>143654491
Tenchi is not an archetypal harem protagonist
>>143653334
Regardless of the artistic integrity behind it, it was a shonen that revolved chiefly around shirtless men punching each other somehow have tension and character depth. It lives up to its hype in that narrative aspect alone.
>>143654420
>>143654427
>>143654460
Gundam was always for people with a robot fetish.
>>143654527
Shinji isn't a harem protagonist at all.
>>143654512
>>143654480
Then you're admitting Eva is influential.
I still don't see how Eva is "moeblob", but I guess my eyes and brain aren't Gen Z enough.
>>143653890
>Dragonball just invented the shounen formula.
Wrong, that was Fist of the North Star.
>>143654568
What about Macross?
Music ends wars?
>>143654621
It was Popeye
>>143654590
Are you just going to spout incoherent insults or are you going to make a point?
>>143654000
That's exactly what it did. It also made anime a lot shorter and started what you might call the "deepshit" genre.
>>143654590
>I still don't see how Eva is "moeblob"
Neither did the two you replied to, but since you're such a delusional faggot you completely misread the posts and made yourself look like an even bigger retard.
>>143654643
Actually it was the tale of heracles.
>>143654663
>started what you might call the "deepshit" genre
Haha, no.
>>143654704
>>143654653
You just got triggered because I told it how it is: you're gen Z babies who feel like their opinions are worth shit when you weren't there to see how different anime impacted on the industry.
You just got into anime with shit like K-ON and Tomoko.
you shouldn't be allowed to voice your opinion on things.
>arguing what is more popular and invented the anime genre
>>143654787
>You just got into anime with shit like K-ON and Tomoko.
And how were those influence by Evangelion, Mr. Born in 1995?
>>143654778
Yeah, there was some of it in film but NGE moved it to TV and made it way more popular.
Where is the Eva influence pasta image when you need it. Anyway this thread turned to shit so I just used google instead.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neon_Genesis_Evangelion#Influence_and_legacy
>>143654787
First off, you are making baseless assumptions, I'm probably older than you are, or at least I'd like to think that nobody around my age would seriously act like this.
>you weren't there
Do you understand the implications of this statement?
It invalidates all historical research, journalism as a concept and pretty much all academic research.
Do you even realize you stupid you sound right now?
>>143654902
>Evangelion has influenced numerous subsequent anime series, including Serial Experiments Lain
This is false, as the director didn't even watch Evangelion till halfway through Lain's production
>>143654990
How about the writers and original creators?
>>143654990
Inadvertent influence probably, namely creating a better market for it, showing producers the viability of such a series, etc.
>>143654902
>greater freedom from the constraints of merchandising.
HAHAHAHA
>>143652151
>makes statement
>proceeds to remove any credibility you might have
And spoiler tags does not equal epik surprise box, no matter how much neo-/a/ keeps using it that way.
>>143655070
>Inadvertent influence probably
>probably
>>143655081
have you ordered your Official Evangelion Dumbbells yet?
Even you can be as strong as EVA-01 with your new Official Evangelion Dumbbells
>>143655124
I don't have a source or anything, but something like Lain would've been a hard sell before Eva don't you think? I don't get what your beef is here.
I love that guy!
He created my favorite Anime One Piece!
>>143655190
>but something like Lain would've been a hard sell before Eva don't you think?
Not really. Being "deep" has nothing to do with Evangelion. Even Utena, which was far more "deep" with its imagery and symbolism and came out before Lain had nothing to do with Eva.
>>143655181
I want arms as big and strong as Anno's Godzilla!
>>143655299
It's not about being deep, it's about demonstrating the viability of such content. Also, Utena was absolutely inspired by NGE. Anthy couldn't have existed without Rei to precede her.
>>143655394
>Anthy couldn't have existed without Rei to precede her.
Jesus christ, aren't you a newfag.
![Liar[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/WtKNFWm.jpg "Liar[1].jpg")
"Ritsuko Akagi, I truly..."
>>143655496
Dr. Akagi.
I'm NERV
>>143655468
Say what you want dude, doesn't change the facts.
>>143655299
>Being "deep" has nothing to do with Evangelion.
It has everything to do with Eva. Before Eva became a cashcow no one thought "deep shit" could be this popular and make so much money. If there was no Eva no one would have funded your Utenas and Lains
>>143655582
>not knowing who Lalah Sune is
Your ignorant delusions aren't "facts".
>>143655603
>Before Eva became a cashcow no one thought "deep shit" could be this popular
Do GiTS, Patlabor 2, and Akira weren't deep or popular. Okay.
>>143655699
>deep
Meant to say "DEEP"
>>143655699
All films. Films have always gotten away with being more experimental.
>>143655612
Yeah, because some random 80s anime character is going to be more influential than Rei.
>>143655612
>mysterious female character
>love interest
>strong connection to leader figure
>vapid, expressionless
>doormat personality
>tragic past
>key to power
Which character, Rei or Anthy?
>>143648448
>Ideon sucks
-2/10
>>143655931
Lalah. You can add "motherly figure to protagonist" to that list to for all 3.
Holy fucking shit, I can't believe ignorant faggots like you still exist.
>>143655862
This has to be bait.
>>143656080
>He proved me wrong, it HAS to be bait!
>>143656161
You're totally right, I'm just shitposting.
Have a (you).
>>143656080
I'll take your word for it I guess, but do you deny that Rei is far more culturally ingrained as an archetype? Do you think Ikuhara was more a fan of Gundam or Evangelion? Like, okay cool there's a Rei clone that existed before Rei ever did, but it doesn't change the fact that Anthy is heavily indebted to Rei.
>>143656284
>responding to it
>>143656350
>Rei is far more culturally ingrained as an archetype?
Her character design, sure, but her personality has existed long before the character itself, not just with Lalah.
>Do you think Ikuhara was more a fan of Gundam or Evangelion?
Utena came out in 1997. That means that its production began two years beforehand like most other anime, around the same time Eva began. Which means at the time of Utena's inception, Evangelion didn't exist. Meanwhile, MSG had existed for almost 20 years. Guess which one would be more likely to be influential to Ikuhara. Hint: it's not the one without the Indian girl.
>the fact that Anthy is heavily indebted to Rei.
Your delusions aren't facts, faggot.
>>143656350
>tumblr
>but it doesn't change the fact that Anthy is heavily indebted to Rei
When are these cultural touchstone faggots going to be rounded up and gassed already?
>>143656350
>Do you think Ikuhara was more a fan of Gundam or Evangelion?
The one that didn't have him as a forced self insert love interest for Anno's self insert.
>>143656607
Personality existing beforehand has nothing to do with Rei being a more iconic representative of the archetype.
>>143656845
>Rei being a more iconic representative of the archetype
At the time of Utena's production, Rei didn't even exist. Stop moving goalposts you massive fucktard.
>>143652169
>pre-eva mecha anime in general
So obscure 70's and 80's mecha that no one watches now are more important than the definitive anime of the 90's? I like old mecha too, but there's no way a show like Dougram is more important than Eva
>>143654653
And what point are you trying to make? That Evangelion and Dragon Ball weren't influential?
The other guy may be shitposting, but so are you. And if you aren't, you are a legit tryhard hipster.
>>143656979
Yeah, Mobile Suit Gundam and Space Battleship Yamato sure have lost their influence and popularity. Which is why even now, we're still getting anime from both original settings and timelines.
>>143656915
Two years time is plenty to rework a character. Just because it may have (source please!) began production before Eva's air date doesn't mean the connection doesn't exist.
>>143657120
>what is reading comprehension
I never said those shows aren't still incredibly influential. I said that saying that all pre-Eva mecha is more important than Eva is retarded due to the number of forgotten and derivative mecha shows out there
>>143647564
Gunbuster is amazing and deserves more credit.
Anno is criminally overrated and misunderstood, particularly in the west.
>>143656607
Lalah isn't close at all to Rei Ayanami.
Not saying Anthy is visibly influenced by Rei either, that dumb shit is on the other poster.
>>143657953
How so?
>>143658085
For one, the vast majority believes due to years of misinformation by insincere members of the fanbase that he's a staunch anti-otaku who hates fanservice and generally hates anime or cute anime girls. The actual truth being that he is deeply in love with that sort of culture.
This is to fuel the idea that his works are laconic and to excuse the fact that the vast majority of them are in fact childish, cute and overloaded with moe and fanservice.
As a result, he's been criminally overrated as a "master writer" when all he needs to do is create mediocre or worse works with high production quality where the flaws will be excused as "trolling" or "social commentary".
The name "Anno" is far more important than what he creates, and so he is overrated. I say this as a fan of many of his works. There's hardly anyone who can directly assess his strengths as a director on a mature level.
>>143658085
People think he's always been some kind of deep suffering genius who represents the peak of artistic intelligence, truth is he's just an Otaku who likes his kaiju and made his best work when he was suicidal and depressed.
>>143658354
I agree. The same happens with people that think Evangelion's religious symbolism is just there "to look cool" and that because of that Evangelion is overrated garbage, when they never even read Childhood's End.
There's a lot of uncultured people that blindly praise Anno just for his name and Evangelion, but there's also a lot of uncultured people that are anti-Anno just because he's popular, without actually being knowledgeable about his works, or understanding them.
Both sides are in the wrong.
...is good, but not good enoughlike myself
>>143658354
>>143658496
That doesnt make him overrated
>>143658496
The anti-side is technically correct in the majority of cases, however. Perhaps for the wrong reasons, but there's merit to what they have to say.
That said, it depends on the critic and the fan.
>>143658623
It does, because the rating is made on an erroneous basis. It stands to reason that the rating would not just be lower but far lower if people actually knew the truth. Hence, he is overrated as far as the reality of his merits are concerned.
Please don't be one of those autistic fanboys that deny this.
>>143658634
I have never seen them have any actual argument other than "I don't like him", "he tries to be 2deep4me", or "he's too popular".
>>143658032
Lalah is very close to Anthy, far more so than Rei. The other faggot is just a delusional Evageek.
>>143658769
Once you remove the fanboy goggles, those are perfectly valid opinions to have, and perhaps is on some level more correct than the opposite statement (save for the first).
One problem is though, that not many know enough and are easily misled by lame blog posts and articles, not to mention over-zealous Evangelion fans.
Some may smell the nonsense they're spreading, and become hostile as a result - intuitively knowing that something is afoul.
Some are just butthurt he gets more recognition than their favorite works. Otaku are like that. They're like Anno, a cancer when unchecked.
>>143658729
but otaku anno is the best
>>143658886
Probably. Rei is simply best girl and that's that.
>>143658982
>those are perfectly valid opinions to have
But then, so is having the contrary opinion. The problem is when these people try to get their opinions pass as facts.
One of my main problems with uncultured people is for example, kids who get into /m/ stuff, praise Tomino, and then in their imaginary little world, Anno and Tomino are enemies, when Anno has always said Tomino is an influence to him. They just never cared to read about Anno, and they only know Anno as "that guy who made that super popular Evangelion show who took the spot of Gundam, which I like better". They just lack a proper perspective of things.
Same with Evangelion fans who got into it recently and praise Anno even though they never even watched his live action stuff.
>>143647564
He is correctly rated. He is a great visual storyteller and that's what he does for a living.
>>143659036
Rei a big shit.
>>143647564
He's the Lucas of the anime industry. He just got lucky.
I'm sure the new Godzilla movie will be terrible too.
>>143659295
>He just got lucky.
Sure, that's why he was highly regarded as an animator back in the 80s, way before Evangelion even existed as a concept.
Also, nice /tv/ memes, and nice shit taste.
>>143659368
>Sure, that's why he was highly regarded as an animator back in the 80s
Just like how Lucas was considered a great director back when he made American Graffitti and THX.
>>143659501
Anno has continued to make extremely well directed stuff after NGE too. The Rebuilds are definitely worse than NGE but they aren't nearly so bad as the Prequels.
>>143659159
>But then, so is having the contrary opinion. The problem is when these people try to get their opinions pass as facts.
I don't see a problem with that at all. It's a shame that lenient schooling have warped the minds of children into believing that all opinions are equally true. Even in this case, trying to pin down which opinion is more true to real life is fine, albeit difficult.
>Same with Evangelion fans who got into it recently and praise Anno even though they never even watched his live action stuff.
What do you mean recently? Like the other horrid fans you've described, this isn't a recent phenomenon.
Even though I like many of Anno's works, this is definitely a case where I favour the critic. Not only because I'm critical of Anno myself, but because of what I noted to and responded to earlier, that there was the sense of Anno being overrated.
It's the same reason why extreme left and right wingers no longer annoy me as much as they used to, as they're part of a balance. There needs to exist staunch anti-Anno people to combat the very inflated public western opinion of Anno which is based mostly falsehoods.
>>143659295
>>143659368
Lucas is far more than Anno will ever be at this stage. Lucas was more than just a director, he was someone who genuinely helped push cinema decades into the future by heading and directing new techniques for producing film - something everyone in the movie industry got to make use of.
So Lucas successfully transcended the role of merely just a director to an industry great, using his Star Wars wealth for other purposes than just hoarding, like Anno does. I have to say that it would seem that Anno lowers the bar rather than raising it.
>>143659294
She's the best girl in the original, other spinoffs not so much in my opinion.
>>143659599
The prequels are definitely better directed than the Rebuilds are, now that 3.33 is out. They make more sense, are more coherent, and actually feature more believable characters.
You grossly underestimate how bad the Rebuilds turned out to be - both as films and as statements from the director.
>>143659642
Your opinion is shit.
>>143659599
His live action was shit and he couldn't even finish Kare Kano. He's done absolutely nothing worth noting other than the Rebuilds recently, and the upcoming Godzilla doesn't bode too well later given all the production problems that have occurred.
Also, Rebuild 3.0 is worse than any prequel ever was.
>>143659711
3.33 is an extremely well directed movie, it just has terrible writing. The prequels are boring as shit and the directing is too.
>>143659368
I never said he was a terrible animator, I just said he got lucky. Plenty of people are good and even better animators, but not all get to be that lucky.
My point is that his "achievements" are not proportional to his level of talent, a lot of it is luck. Same goes for Lucas.
His body of work just isn't all that impressive.
>>143659822
>3.33 is an extremely well directed movie
In what way? The pacing was all over the place, the CGI was choppier than the older Rebuilds, and the camerawork wasn't anything special.
>>143659799
>he couldn't even finish Kare Kano
Because he had creative differences with the mangaka and got kicked off the show. It was great up until the point he left.
>>143657150
The main reason Ikuhara refused to work on Eva when Anno asked him was because he was too busy preparing for Utena.
Anthy was already established as a character in the Manga before Eva even aired, she has absolutely no connection to Rei at all.
Rei herself is just a clone of Hotaru from Sailor Moon, anyway. Hardly original. There's been many "Rei" characters far before her, all she's influenced is more quiet girls in shitty harems.
>>143659943
>It was great up until the point he left.
Nothing can be truly great unless it sticks the landing. Anno got booted halfway, so no, Kare Kano isn't a good example at all.
>>143659822
There's hardly anything well-directed about it. It's filled with horrible transitions and choreography, not to mention awkward "camera angles" and shots. Unfortunately, people believe something is "well directed" as soon as you put some soppy piano tunes to it. Put some Erik Satie to a counter strike video and bam, "directing".
While Anno is good at selecting music for scenes usually, 3.33 is hardly one of them and it's especially bad in context with his previous works, with the Ode to Joy sequence being particularly poor in comparison.
There's many sides to directing, and considering that Anno has a hand in everything, 3.33 is inexcusably poor. It merely has talented people working on it such as the composer, who is by the way responsible for 90% of the craftmanship quality.
Remind you of the prequels?
Great craftsmen, bogged down by poor directing and story? The difference is that the audience can watch and understand the prequels and accept the story. With 3.33, any viewer not obsessed with moe is forced to accept that there hardly is a story.
>>143658354
>with high production quality
All his Gainax works had budget problems. In achieving high production quality with the average production value he has proven himself to be better suited to be a director than most of his peers in the jap animation business.
And his jump to live action strengthen that claim. Love & Pop and Shiki-Jitsu are both greatly directed films with a lot of interesting and unusual framing and compositions. The first fully experimental, the later is reaches a perfect balance. I'm not just blindly saying, he could've directed it under a alias and it they would still be great looking films.
>>143659642
>Lucas is far more than Anno will ever be at this stage
Not as a director. Lucas bigger contributions come on technological areas as you mentioned and with his brainchild. Kershner and Marquand did a way better job bringing his universe to the screen. They are compared for all the wrong reasons.
>>143660125
>Not as a director. Lucas bigger contributions come on technological areas as you mentioned and with his brainchild. Kershner and Marquand did a way better job bringing his universe to the screen. They are compared for all the wrong reasons.
No, not for the wrong reasons. To put the qualifier "as a director" is what's wrong here. Lucas clearly transcended that role - it'd be like comparing two men and saying one is better than the other "as a child". It is in reality a negative remark towards Anno because despite his success, the massive trust put in him, he failed to move on and give back.
>>143660256
>Anno because despite his success, the massive trust put in him, he failed to move on and give back.
>what is the Animator's Expo
>>143660073
His work in Kare Kano is great, regardless of the quality of Kare Kano as a whole. You can't fault him for decision beyond his power. Gainax and the original writer made the shit calls that ultimately lead to that abrupt end. Not him. What's the point if you are putting in the mix shit he had no involvement with?
>>143660125
>All his Gainax works had budget problems. In achieving high production quality with the average production value he has proven himself to be better suited to be a director than most of his peers in the jap animation business.
This is untrue, because the budget problems have come to exist due to Anno's mismanagement. When it comes to budget, his projects weren't less funded than the average project at the time they were made. They've only become better and better funded.
Anno is incapable of spreading out resources, which will eventually lead to moments where he cannot keep quality off. Consider how he outsourced Nadia - that was his choice, not because he lacked budget. He prioritized wrong, and so there was a bunch of sub-par episodes made.
>>143660073
I agree with you in general but it is a clear case of Anno doing good work.
>>143659909
>>143660075
Fair enough, it's been awhile since I've seen the film, and I don't have a particularly high opinion of it so I won't defend it.
>>143660300
Indeed, what is it really? So far, it seems to be absolutely nothing of value.
>>143660355
>>143660125
I think you need to stop making excuses for Anno.
>>143660379
>Consider how he outsourced Nadia - that was his choice
Educate yourself. All that island and Africa shit was ordered by NHK and mostly ignored once he came back. The pointless milking wasn't part of the plan. It's low quality shit because it's textbook filler. Made by a outsourced B-team.
>>143647564
anno cheeki breeki damke
>>143660300
>Animator's Expo
Wow, it's absolutely nothing. With the vast majority of shorts being sub-par in terms of animation to stock commercial projects, there's hardly anything good to come out of it.
It's something like self-congratulation which can be commercialized.
>>143647662
Ideon had a charecter in it named Kitty Kitten. Being ripped off is more than it deserved.
>>143660535
The part you're speaking of exists because of Anno's own actions, and decisions.
He repeatedly violated contract and as a matter of fact, NHK was extremely lenient with him.
Anno chose to divert focus onto the later episodes, the B-team as you speak of, being his choice. His actions resulted in that poor part, not some form of underfunding.
>>143660300
>>what is the Animator's Expo
Anno showing short snippets of his old friends' work like Imaishi and Okiura and taking all the credit for it.
>>143660463
I think you are focusing on all the wrong things. Like his contributions outside of his fucking position to advance the industry, episodes directed by different teams, the quality of the show after he was booted for creative conflicts.
None of that has anything to do with the topic at hand or his competence as a director. So Lucas transcended that role, what about it? He still is a inferior visual storyteller. The ILM is not what he is being judged for when you think of him as a director.
>>143660700
>mostly content that adds nothing to the story
>not in the LD director's cut
>exists because of his actions and decisions
It exists because it was forced by the production committee. How is creative to blame for external forces messing with the fucking story? They are stupid calls made by suits.
>>143660767
>taking all the credit for it.
There's credits in both english and japanese on every short individual page alongside a ninico video interviewing the invovled about the process. Jesus, fuck man. I know you really want to hate Anno for god knows what, but at least be reasonable.
>>143661178
Listen to what you're writing. Lucas became more than a director. Comparing them merely as directors when both had every chance and opportunity to be something far more is downright stupid.
Lucas succeeded where Anno created conflict and mediocre products. Not saying Lucas isn't also guilty of mediocrity, but the prequels have far more artistic integrity than the rebuilds.
>>143661300
Guess who is listed at the top of every credit list as 'Executive Producer"?
>>143647564
I don't know who he is so I don't think he's overrated.
>>143661178
Don't be stupid. Hideaki Anno is also a suit. He makes executive decisions, and there are people above him, just like there are people above the people he communicated with at NHK.
Gainax, i.e Hideaki Anno made a contract with this people they agreed on, and Anno, due to his own stubborness and ability for mismanagement decided to focus his resources onto only specific areas, leaving episode quality down in the gutter for a long period.
I don't hate Anno, I like the guy's work. The problem is that you're an Anno fanboy who like so many other Anno fanboys, don't understand how business or directing works. Nor any form of adult responsibility.
Anno is your manchild idol who does no wrong.
Anyone who reads the history of the production can safely conclude that the NHK were far more lenient with Anno than you'd expect from a Japanese company, considering Anno basically ignored what he was contractually obliged to do.
At this point, the responsibility for lack of quality does fall on Anno.
>>143660767
>>143660587
Basically this.
It's sad that so many are dependent on their "wise old man" fantasy that they can't see the travesty unfolding right before their own eyes.
>>143660767
What an awful guy, funds his buddies short projects to showcase animation ideas. What a monster. I bet they hate him for it.
>>143661412
It's not. Are you telling me Lucas can't be compared to other directors on his merits as a director alone? Forget about Anno here. Think about any influential director, any era. A way better storyteller than Lucas. What you are saying is that Lucas is superior by default because he has accomplished different things and advance films in another way. I'm not questioning his work outside his movies, I'm saying he is not a great director. And that his films were better at the hand of more competent directors. Lucas is a ideas man.
>>143661518
Because that's his role. How is that not giving credit where it's due? Each AE short was announced by mentioning the creative team first. Check western or jap sites. The information is all there.
>>143661740
>What an awful guy, funds his buddies short projects to showcase animation ideas. What a monster. I bet they hate him for it.
I doubt they care, but you ever see anyone associating ME!ME!ME! with the original director and not Anno? He's taking all the credit for shit he didn't do.
>>143661880
Because casuals don't know who most of those people are. That doesn't mean people think Anno directed it either. And in a way it shows the shorts reached a crowd that had no previous exposition to the works of many of the involved. That's a positive thing. If at least 10% of these fuckers decide to follow and support these animators and directors from now on already accomplished something.
Furthermore that varies from short to short. Trigger has a huge western following so you can't say the same about Imaishi short for example.
>>143655530
Uhh you (don't) get to bring friends
>>143661740
I'm telling you that Lucas is far more than a director.
The Lucas-Anno comparison is done because both were up-and-coming directors with faith placed in them, and then they produced an enormous hit which made them and everyone involved very wealthy people.
But this is where they diverge, and this is where the differences between them become apparent. While Lucas was lauded for his generosity by the team, in the "suck up culture" of Japan Anno was being rumoured for ill temper and for being stingy. Then the tax evasion scandals followed when it was apparent that Gainax, the company Anno is on the board of had been stealing money. People went to jail.
In the meantime, Lucas not only pays his taxes but also repays his obligations, the rest is then being diverted to investments into projects that did in fact revolutionize the entire industry.
In the meantime, Anno isn't giving much back but film flops, aborted projects and now, the complete Moe-fication of his magnum opus.
Think about them first and foremost as people in similar situations. What I'm saying is that Lucas is and most likely always will be Anno's superior because of the choices he made, and the results he produced.
He took his fortune and turned it into fortune for others on a grand scale, while Anno hoarded like Scrooge and squandered like Donald. Comparing them merely as directors is narrowminded and ignores both of their characters.
>>143661880
Arguably this is a problem that comes along with Anno being overrated by the west, anything ironic is suddenly his and his alone. That said, Anno does nothing to correct it.
Compare with western director/producer Genndy Tartakovsky, who is open about the fact that he has talented people beneath him and that he can't take credit for what is their work.
>>143660025
To be fair, Anno had no idea what he wanted to do with Rei so he just copy pasted scenes from other shows into her arc.
>>143647636
Underrated post
>>143662343
>>143660025
Neither of these are copy pasted scenes, but merely similar visual themes also used for other characters in the anime - nothing in particular to Rei.
The only distinct case of clear plagiarization I can come up with is Asuka's character and her backstory, being based on Kushana from Nausicaa.
This one is particularly clear since Anno was a fan of Kushana and really wanted to do an OVA with her, but was denied by Miyazaki because he could tell that he'd only use her to satisfy himself.
>>143662451
>muh Kushana fag is back aka textwall kun
I thought you killed yourself already.
>>143662529
You've lost me.
>>143662608
Its an autismal asuka fan who doesnt like the implications.
>>143662663Somehow, I figured. Evangelion's fanbase disappoints me more and more every day.
>>143662451
That Rei comparison scene looks like an exact copy paste to me.
The only thing Asuka and Kushana have in common is the mother thinking her daughter is a doll. They are entirely different characters otherwise. Polar opposites, even.
Rei on the other hand has scenes straight out taken from other shows, you can't find a case for this with Asuka. Her character is the epitome of unoriginality.
>>143662702
It would seem you're simply a butthurt Asukafag, judging by your delusional attitude and not to speak of your image.
In the comparison image I posted, you can clearly see that in the very first pick there's no similarity besides them being in the frame, and the second is replicated for other evangelion characters and thus not specific to Rei. The same goes for the commonly use "droplet" effect used for Shinji and Rei, possibly others I can't recall.
The Asuka-example with Kushana you were given is more or less direct copying, the context and the effect on the character is similar, and it's quite clear that Anno copied it. You may not like it, but it's the truth. Anno definitely copied parts of Sailor Moon and countless other anime, but tying it to Rei is wrong because the same effects are used for other characters.
I find it sad that Asuka fans need to be this belligerent, and I suspect that a lot of the misunderstandings and issues in this community is caused by precisely your type of fan.
I think I'll heed the warnings of >>143662663
and leave you to your own devices. There will never be rational discourse with you anyway.
>>143647564
NUMBERS DON'T LIE
>>143662955
>>143663068
You forgot - tranny in the Asuka one.
>>143662692
>>143662955
>samefagging
>I'm not textwall kun, you're just an a-autist!
>proceeds to post a textwall
Just dox yourself already so we don't have to deal with your cancerous samefagging ass.
>>143647662
Yes, I agree, Anno heavily ripped off '70s and '80s super robot and real robot anime, like Mazinger Z, Getter Robo, Brave Raideen, Mobile Suit Gundam, and Mobile Suit Gundam, but so what? Tomino ripped off Space Battleship Yamato, Star Wars, and a bunch of obscure 1950's science fiction novels. Anno is really no better or worse than Tomino.
>>143662202
This. Anno really failed to make a lasting mark on the industry outside of Evangelion, which was by no means Anno's thing, but a culmination of an entire studio of people.
Lucas actually accomplished noteworthy things for his industry. And actually did alot for charity, but for comparing directors and not humans being this isn't really relevant..
>>143663215
Don't you have some filenames kun dick to suck you reprehensible retard? Go cyber with him in an IRC you flaming homosexual.
>>143663254
>Anno really failed to make a lasting mark on the industry outside of Evangelion
What is Gunbuster and Nadia?
>>143663317
Yeah, good question. What are they?
>>143663351
Anime that left a lasting mark on the industry.
>>143663317
Gunbuster created a meme pose and what lasting impact did Nadia have?
>>143663426
They didn't. Both are copy-cat referential anime.
The only impact Nadia had was being used as a masturbatory homage/reference in Rebuild of Evangelion.
Doesn't' mean they're bad, they're just not the original and influential masterpieces you thought they were.
>>143663442
Gunbuster didn't create the pose, but it did popularize a term in the west.
>>143662137
>And in a way it shows the shorts reached a crowd that had no previous exposition to the works of many of the involved.
That tends to happen when you have a big reputable name flaunting porn as his latest work.
