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Wait, what? There's going to be a fourth movie? I thought it ended on Rebellion.
What is a fourth movie even going to be about?
>>143534934
A magical boy going to save everyone from despair.4th movie never ever is going to happen Anon.
>>143534934
Homura will stop being a beta once and for all.
It's just sad that Mami will be centered this time along with Madoka. Fuck Mami.
>>143534999
Why not? Wasn't rebellion a success?
Everyone needs to be saved from Homura
>>143535226
Homura did nothing wrong.
>>143535012
Mami is a mess
I wish i could pretend Rebellion never happened, it was terrible
>>143535024
Being a success doesn't guarantee a sequel, especially with original anime
>>143537245
Except that Rebellion is a terrible ending.
It's a good/great movie depending on how much you like Homura, but it's a horrible ending.
>>143537245
It does, if they want more money,
>>143537459
Exactly. Rebellion as an ending is a middle finger to all the fans, except the crazy Homufags.
>rebellion was 2deep4u for all these plebs
pitiable
>>143537181
>Bebe added because Charlotte and Mami were paired a lot, not for any actual reason, her role is one already played by Sayaka who does it better
>Cool ass fight between Homu and Mami is completely pointless, it's just because the fans wanted to see Homu and Mami fight
>Kyouko is pretty much there so Homu can be proven right
>Ai yo
There was a whole lot that could have been done better
>>143534934
so, are the movies even any good? i kinda lost interest after the original series ended
>>143538116
NO!
>>143538116
First two movies are adaptations of the series. The story is exactly the same, just stylistic differences.
The third movie, Rebellion, is a sequel that goes in a weird direction, and it ends with a clear setup for a sequel. It's a good movie but a terrible place to end the story of the whole thing, and there's no fourth movie yet.
>>143538116
If you are a Homurafag watch it.Or not, I don't know. I like the movies, but I understand why people don't like them.
>>143537627
>Rebellion as an ending is a middle finger to all the fans, except the crazy Homufags.
Clearly not.
Homura is the one getting the shortest straw(except for the QBs, but fuck them), she now has the burden of controlling the whole universe, lost her sanity, and lost any chance of a normal relation with Madoka.
>>143537181
>>143537459
I liked rebellion a lot, especially the imagery when they go out of the city and afterwards, but I really disliked the last twist, that feels disjointed and forced. While the motivations are plausible at that point of the story, how it is accomplished "mechanically" is almost an asspull
>>143537627
>>143538250
Maybe even some homurafags might dislike it as it borders on character assassination
>>143538354
I'm pretty much with you there. If they had just ended it with Homura going along with Madoka into the Law of Cycles or whatever, everything up to that would have made a great film and I'd have no problems.
But they just HAD to put in that fucking twist which requires a sequel that is never getting made, thus souring the whole thing.
>>143538354
It's in-character if you consider everything that happened before ep12.
>must protect muh Madoka for a hundred loops
>giving up in ep12
>wait, Madoka says she wouldn't be happy separated from her friends and familly
>giving up in ep12 was a huge mistake
>must protect muh Madoka again, whatever the cost
>>143538488
But the series/eternal already had a bitter ending. All rebellion did was swap the two girls:
Eternal : Mado has to endure a godlike task, alone, separated from Homu
Rebellion : Homu has to endure a godlike task, alone, separated from Mado
I'd watch another movie if its just 80 minutes of homura and madoka making out.
>>143534934
>Wait, what? There's going to be a fourth movie? I thought it ended on Rebellion.
If you soon want to see it, you have to remove a demand of Nishio's works. His novels are literally a pile of garbage. Shaft was just searching for a way to show them even better for money. His fans deserve death for stealing a chance from another masterpiece which should has been made into an anime.
>What is a fourth movie even going to be about?
MadoHomu 4ever!
>>143538551
I think her motivations are in charcter, but the way she did it was an asspull. Literally takes over the universe with "the power of love". If that's not an asspull I don't know what is.
My biggest problem with the twist is that it's not a satisfying ending. Ending it with Madoka taking Homura to heaven would feel a lot more satisfying, but would actually leave some loose ends. What about Kyuubey's plan to control Madoka? That would never have been resolved if not for Homura.
What I hope for in the sequel is to tie up all the loose ends while still managing to have an ending at least as emotionally satisfying Madoka taking Homura to heaven would have been.
Homura's alternate reality
>>143539037
I have no idea what all this is about
>>143539107
>http://desuarchive.org/a/search/image/iDKmzrkj0nAi340wDGEOuQ/
Not proof of really much, as for example I often post on threads from different devices
>>143537161
Mami is a waste.
>>143535012
>fuck Mami
I'd be happy to.
>>143534934
Madoka telling Homura she never cared about her before getting her vengeance and damning her to hell so she can finally be safe and happy free from Homura's abusive obsession.
>>143539218
No Madoka thread on 4chan is complete without that one weirdo trying to lead a jihad against the mods.
>>143538831
Homura I've felt to be something of a mirror to Madoka. Through out the series, she represents all the ideals Homura herself finds beautiful in comparison to the worthless self she once viewed herself as.
Homura's efforts were in a sense trying to rescue that ideal and taking its ultimate place. Not due to morality, but rather out of selfishness. Madoka instinctively is a selfless hero who believes in the concept of the magical girl while Homura is a self-interested loner who seeks to save what she believes deserves saving.
To me, the ending clicked in a lot of ways due to that.
Madoka become something like a God, taking the karmic weight of a hundred timelines, she chose her wish in accordance with everything she was seen to be in all the previous timelines despite the brutal nature of her current one.
Homura however has the accumulated despair of a hundred failed timelines. Including the final one. Homura's wish had been constantly denied through out the series even into its end. She never saved Madoka. Never was able to fulfill her place and defeat Walpurgisnacht. Homura lost at the end of the series, but continued fighting because that was the only thing she could do.
Rebellion was the culmination of all of that. Homura's dream world was one the featured Madoka not as a God, but as a girl. Homura's witch was designed aounrdself-hate at her own failures which grew with every timeline. The end of Rebellion was ultimately a mirror to Madoka's wish. Where Madoka took karmic weight to do the impossible, Homura took despair to obtain the impossible and finally take the ending of her desire.
That reflection of character that was realized I found profound. And I found it incredibly satisfying as an ending, especially considering Homura's point of view and desires. Letting Madoka take her I would've thought a regression of Homura's character honestly. Back to the Moemura that was practically codependent on Madoka.
>>143539431
Homura is just a cruel villain who wanted Madoka to herself. She says to her face she doesn't care what she wants, she just wants control over her for self satisfaction. It's a purely abusive relationship Madoka wants no part in.
That's awful. I'm off. Bye.
>>143539493
and this is why they will fight at some point, because madoka will never accept homura selfishness despite being understanding
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>>143539579
Homura's obsession is laced in evil and vengeance against a world she hates. She is pure evil and Madoka never considered her a real friend. She'll be happy to kill Homura and send her to hell where shd belongs. Nobody will miss her.
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>>143539664
>>143539686
>>>/c/
>>>/u/
>>143539686
>>143539705
>>143537459
Being a terrible ending doesn't guarantee a sequel either
>>143537700
>rebellion
>deep
I bet you also think tatami galaxy is deep.
>>143539746
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>>143539773
Mami never saw use in Homura and always hated her. She regrets not murdering her when she had the chance.
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>>143539864
I wonder why these fucking cunts spam Madoka threads with their shit. They have two fucking boards to dump their shit but they'd rather dump it here.
Every thread is the fucking same.
>>143539930
I've given up on Madoka threads long ago. They attract too many tripfags and autists. Just let it go, anon.
>>143540000
Quads never lie. You are right.
>>143540000
Quads confirm.
>>143538831
This post sums it up pretty well i would say.
>>143539431
If madoka had enough karmic weight to undo and recreate the universe its only reasonable that the single person with the potential for having as much karma than her is Homura. There is also the possibility that the simple act of denying Madokas wish and allowing herself to turn into a kind of pseudowitch would grant her a kind of power to do that also. Its just not explained well enough.
And for the record i loved the last movie. Sure it was a little rough around the edges in some ways but in the end it was a good continuation. It didnt betray or asspull anything really and just took the characters and made them make the next logical step.
>>143540071
Homura deserved to die and instead ruined everything. The franchise is ruined until she's burning in hell abandoned by Madoka.
> people still not understanding what happened in the end to this day
>>143540250
Homura had an abusive obsession with monopolizing Madoka's warmth. She ruined wverything out if hate and that obsession. Nobody loved her, she loved nobody. Madoka wants her gone for good and for her to suffer for once.
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>>143540355
I dont think anyone really cares about your bait headcanon. Theres your response so you can stop now.
>>143540422
>headcanon
You mean widely accepted canon. Nobody likes Homura. Madoka hates her. Get over it, yuricuck. Madoka is going to enjoy butchering and abandoning her.
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>>143539812
It's funny because this one is actually true for at least the first series
>>143540491
>Madoka hates her.
Really? I can totally see Madoka being displeased by what Homura is doing, but she's not a person who could really hate someone
>>143540529
Degenerate.
>>143540623
>Q: Is Homura in love with Madoka?
>Urobuchi: It is a very twisted love, but it is love nontheless. It is kind of scary to be honest.
>Q: Does Madoka like her back?
>Urobuchi: Madoka never loved Homura. From the beginning is was just Homura's obsession. It's that kind of tragedy of never being cared for that makes you evil. In this case, Homura is evil because no one has ever loved her or ever will.
>Q: That sounds horrible! (laughs)
>Urobuchi: Some people deserve loneliness. I think Homura is one of those people. (laughs)
Madoka never cared about Homura and considers her a monster now.
>>143538831
>Literally takes over the universe with "the power of love".
I have a pet theory that it wasn't literally the power of love, but rather Homura somehow managed to harness and refocus the tremendous energy that's released when a magical girl becomes a witch. Originally the energy had been sealed within the confines of the box the Incubators had built for her, but when Madoka and the rest of the girls broke it, it naturally got out.
It would be an energy unprecedented to that particular universe, since the Law of Cycles' entire basis is preventing the process by which a magical girl becomes a witch. It's literally not supposed to exist. One could almost argue that it rewrites the universe on its own without any real intervention from Homura.
>>143540656
Is that from a post-Rebellion interview?
>>143540656
I get that Homura's love is unrequited, but I think that Madoka is too gentle to HATE her or anyone else
>>143540779
Yes.
>>143540795
Homura isn't a person, she is a force if evil. She literally destroyed her own soul to become the devil. She has no future but death and abandonment, Madoka is horrified by how wicked she is and wants her gone desperately. She is seen running from her begging to be saved in the concept movie.
>>143541200
I still can't see Madoka not considering Homura a tragic character and empathizing a little.
Akuma Homura totally needs to be twarthed, I'm pretty sure Madoka considered her a friend and thus mught be saddened rather than despising.
>>143542282
Madoka never considered her a friend and lied saying she did as a misguided attempt to stop her from obsessing. Madoka was wrong to want to help her. Homura loves no one and is obsesssed with owning Madoka and abusing her kindness like an addiction. Homura consistently ruins the lives of and MURDERS those around her. She never suffers, she causes suffering. Madoka regrets saving this monster and wants badly to kill her.
>>143542933
>Madoka never considered her a friend and lied saying she did as a misguided attempt to stop her from obsessing.
I can't see it
>Homura loves no one and is obsesssed with owning Madoka and abusing her kindness like an addiction.
Eh, she's actually tried for at least a decade to save Madoka from death or corruption, I can totally see Homura developing an obsession as a result of this rather than exploiting her from the beginning
>Homura consistently ruins the lives of and MURDERS those around her.
This is true
>She never suffers, she causes suffering.
I don't really think she never suffers, it's clear numerous times that she experienced loss for all that time and it took a toll on her
>Madoka regrets saving this monster and wants badly to kill her.
Can't see madoka having a murderous intent towards anyone at all. She will never stop to want to save everyone
>>143543566
>>Homura consistently ruins the lives of and MURDERS those around her.
>This is true
>Dumbass Faggot
>>143543566
>I can't see it
It's canon. Madoka never loved Homura in any way. No one did. Everyone who met Homura had their lives ruined by her including her parents. She's a loveless shit.
>exploiting from the beginning
Exactly what she did! She wished for power to become Madoka's hero and get her to obsess over her. Homura fucking says she doesn't give a shit about what Madoka feels, Madoka was always an object to her to abuse.
>This is true
She deserved to die alone for it long before Rebellion.
>she experienced loss
She's a hateful monster who blames everyone else including Madoka for her own failures and lack if love. She hates Madoka for not loving her, that's why she enslaved her soul for herself and destroyed the law of cycles, loving every second of the pain she caused. She never suffered, she's pure insane evil.
>saving Homura
Madoka gave up on Homura and wants to rid the hniverse of her. She'll tell her she always hated her like everyone else before dumping Homura's rotten, semen-filled soul into hell to burn alone and abandoned.
pure evil
>>143538116
first movies are just recaps with some slightly changed visuals, the series BDs are the better choice in general. You only watch the movies afterwards for the crazy shaft background porn.
3rd movie is, well, it's good, but not everyone liked where the plot headed.
>>143544590
Fucking cunt had sex with a wraith just to spite Madoka and fulfill her degenerate desires. There's no wonder why she's the most hated character globally.
I repeat, SHE FUCKED A MONSTER MADE OF PURE DESPAIR. She's a monster as well.
>>143544015
>It's canon. Madoka never loved Homura in any way. No one did.
In the first timeline Madoka and then Mami clearly befriended her. While it's true that Madoka doesn't love Homura in the romantic sense, she clearly considered her a friend. Let's not pretend that every language outside of english doesn't have different words for romantic love and simple affection.
>Homura fucking says she doesn't give a shit about what Madoka feels
Homura said that she's willing to go against Madoka's will, but one of the very last sentences of the movie is that she acnowledges they might become enemies but that she's ok with it as long as Madoka lives in wolrd in which she's happy. So while it's twisted and patronizing, it's nonetheless a desire for her to be happy.
>She hates Madoka for not loving her, that's why she enslaved her soul for herself
Homura never considered Madoka's perspective until the end, and she "kidnapped" her soul because she thought that deep down madoka never wanted to become that
>Madoka gave up on Homura and wants to rid the universe of her. She'll tell her she always hated her
Still particularly uncharacteristic of her.
I still dislike what Homura did and that she is a supreme bitch that deserves to be defeated in the end, but Madoka is much more gentle than that.
>>143540779
>>143540795
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>>143544988
>taking any pasta from homuhater seriously
>replying to homuhater
>>143538274
>lost any chance of a normal relation with Madoka.
Nigga they never had a chance at a normal relationship. Did you not watch the show?
>>143545631
It's a slow day for me.
In the end I dislike Homura for the ending of Rebellion, but I understand the fact that she is a tragic character and that suffered a lot, and I think that Madoka would try to save her anyway
>>143540795
>I get that Homura's love is unrequited
Do people actually believe that? It came off alot more as their love was star crossed. I never got the impression Madoka wouldn't return Homo's feelings. The only argument I've heard is "Madoka is straight" as if a fictional show about miracles, magicals girls, and rewriting the universe is in anyway bound to conrete sexual identity. Especially considering the canon straight character now munches red carpet.
>>143534934
In my opinion, the ending of the film will be the ending of the series (assuming the film gives a definitive ending to the series, of course). It will not be a "and they lived happily after" ending, and most likely a bittersweet finale. Probably, you will be like "...well, it´s not what I wanted, but it could have been worse. Meh".
Originally, Urobuchi wanted to make Madoka carry Homura to Heaven and finish the series like that, but the editor (I think it was him, I can´t remember well) suggested the story of Rebellion. Now, I believe Urobuchi will want to put a definitive ending to his creation.
And about the argument, I have no idea what it will be about, but I´m sure Godoka and Homucifer will meet face to face. How that reunion go, I can only guess.
>>143546351
>Dislike Homura for Rebellion
>Faggot who doesn't like happy endings where everyone is alive and with the people make them happy
>Except for the character they dislike
Come on.
>>143546721
>everyone brainwashed
>Homura is a tyrant over them
>Madoka unhappy and Homura doesn't care
>law of cycles destroyed
Shit ending, everyone is right to hate it. Homura deserves to die.
>>143546625
Madoka never loved Homura.
>>143546625
It's more due to the disparity in experience: because of the loop Homura stayed with madoca for a least a decade and became obsessed, while Madoka actually experienced only the last timeline and thus kew Homura for only a month, and was closer to longer friends like Sayaka and Hitomi
>>143546721
This >>143547193 plus everyone in the universe beside those 10 named characters might be dead and replaced by familiars or illusions.
Though the Law Of Cycles is till there despite a piece of it has been removed.
>>143547528
The law of cycles was destroyed along with every soul in it. Homura murdered them to keep Madoka to herself.
>>143547528
>It's more due to the disparity in experience
Madoka "I can see across time and space" Kaname is her state at the end. If you look at the timelines where Homura isn't explicitly trying to keep Madoka away from her, than they're natural soul mates. Rebellion made that more clear. I know admitting that Madoka and Homura have a natural fit requires that there might be some hint of yuri, so I understand it's difficult.
>everyone brainwashed
>Homura is a tyrant over them
>Madoka unhappy and Homura doesn't care
Madoka did the first one in the series.
Homura hasn't done anything beyond trolling.
Madoka isn't unhappy. She just knows she has a job to do that isn't being with her family.
The law of cycles functions because Homura is controlling it with the piece of it's power in her earring. Stated in the Only You guidebook.
>>143538751
This. Rebellion is literally the themes and values of the series in reverse. And in both cases, Madoka and Homura are still playing into Kyubey's game, both thinking they've won.
>>143534934
Siegfried's redemption after his betrayal of Odile. Their joint suicide frees them and all the other swans girls from Rothsbart's spell that turns girls into swans. Looks like Madoka and Homura (and Urobuchi) are going to put an end to meguca forever.
>>143548072
>Madoka did the first one in the series.
It wasn't deliberate, it was a necessary consequence of her wish.
Homura wiped everyone's memories to get away with the lie that is her world.
Madoka needs a series without any magic or bullshit despair so they can actually properly flesh out the four dolls they pass off as characters
>>143550934
That's like saying characters in a war drama cannot be good, fleshed out characters.
>>143544744
Nigga what the fuck you been smoking?
>>143550934
So what you're saying is we need a Madoka SoL.
We can only hope.
>>143534934
ever wonder how the monolithic good and evil came to be in magical girl stories? that is the story of madoka. of course there's going to be a fourth movie.
>>143548692
why does he keep slipping under the radar in these threads??? he is clearly the final boss fight
>>143552194
Because he is very clever, anon. Who would suspicious the little furball? And when you look away, he will fuck you with his furry alien massive cock
I want to fondle Sayaka's tittays
>>143548692
am in love with his eyes
>>143552194
>>143552294
Because /a/nons are just as stupid as the magical girls they love. The system of girls making contracts --> fighting witches --> falling into despair/becoming witches --> rinse & repeat
is a cruel system that the QBs have implemented.
But from what we've seen the magical girls' can't seem to stop fighting amongst each other.
>Mami vs. Homura
>Sayaka vs. Kyouko
>Homura stealing Madoka's power
>>143537181
Rebellion is very Post 2013 Aniplex Original anime in construct and concept while the TV series might as well been of one of their 2000's tier hits in terms of how the project was run back when they figured someone might actually have to give a real fuck about storytelling, character development and thematics as opposed to just marketing and branding. I never thought it was the most amazing "original" genre warping series ever like the people brainwashed by their marketing but a solid 8/10. By comparison Rebellion is like a 5/10. 8/10 for visuals and music, like a 3/10 for storytelling and characterization just like all their original franchises this decade. Like the other Gen Urobuchi sequel movie almost nothing fucking happens that could be called a proper new arc for the majority of the film and then we get a weird as fuck virtually out of nowhere sequel bait twist 15 minutes to the end that fanboys have to defend to the death with some flimsy evidence from an earlier scene that really doesn't explain the twist particularly well in the context of the original TV series and then no proper conclusion, also a hallmark of Urobuchi scripts. It's the very definition of winging it from a storytelling perspective but then again what can one expect from a late night anime film post 2012.
I guess what I'm saying is it's really hard to give a fuck about a sequel to Madoka the way Aniplex is now with their original franchises regardless of whether it's another 12 episode TV series or three part 60 minute movie trilogy. Like it's virtually guaranteed it's going to suck, just piss off fans of the original TV series even further with it's neglect for basic storytelling and character development conventions and be another sequel bait cash grab thing with maybe some neat Inu Curry actions scenes but virtually no coherent franchise developments or anything fresh to bring to the table because that means committing to a clear direction and we can't have that.
![pm5Kr[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/LADsPdF.png "pm5Kr[1].png")
>>143552194
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>>143551566
That would maybe be nice. I'm afraid it might undermine the series in some ways though.
![beatenkyubey[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/p6l7yQy.jpg "beatenkyubey[1].jpg")
Did kyubey win in the end?
>>143537181
>>143537459
>>143537627
Rebellion had a happy end, you fucks. Literally nothing is wrong with how Homura saves the conflict.
>>143554550
evil won
>>143555032
Love won. Is love evil? I think so. Yay for Evil.
>>143551566
>post-rebellion SoL
>the last scene of each episode is dedicated to homu doing something creepy that influences the persception of what happened previously in the episode
>>143555455
The fans just want to watch Homura die at this point. They hate her for ruining everything Madoka accomplished out of obsession.
>>143555580
I get this is a meme but I really wonder what is Homura's actual popularity
>>143556616
The fanbase loves her for the most part (about 95%), and a small but vocal minority of detractors shits on her (or pretends to to troll others here)
>>143556616
self inserters that want madoka to brutally punish them with arrows and pink hell fire
>>143556616
She has the most art on pixiv by a significant margin.
![Kill_qb_gif[1].gif](https://i.imgur.com/LZ9oeG0.gif "Kill_qb_gif[1].gif")
>>143557081
What does this even mean
>>143534934
>What is a fourth movie even going to be about?
Healing. We don't need a traditional happy ending, but we do need catharsis. The franchise began with Madoka and Homura, Eternal ended with Madoka seperated from Homura, Rebellion ended with Homura seperated from Madoka. The series has come full circle and has an autistic focus on cycles and bookends.
>>143546625
>now munches red carpet
It took a while but I finally got it
>>143558056
>implying it means anything
