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What the FUCK is going on with his face?
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Lets give him an unnecessary power up to humiliate Ichigo with.
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Spoilers.

Yhwach absorbs the powers of Ichigo and all the sternritter, then disappears inside the gate to the new world.

Gerard is dead.
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>>143489258
I fucking knew Gerard would end up dying due to Yhwach taking his power.
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>>143489258
I like it. New arc. Fuck yea Kubo. Fuck yea Bleach.
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I hope Ichigo is okay.
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>>143489258
Did that include ichigo's bankai and hollow power?
is he unaffected by that shit?
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this better not be our fucking "color" page
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>>143489140
What's this from?

>After over 10 years of overwhelming popularity in Jump, Bleach nears its conclusion!! The decisive battle is finally coming, don't miss it!
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io swaer im so mad
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>>143489715
It's the center color page.
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Bleach has apparently started its countdown towards its end.
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Kubo just likes punching ichigo in the nuts. that's why the major antagonist are nigh omnipotent and literally exist just beat the shit out of him and then go on about their keikaku.

>tfw I'm starting to feel for ichigo
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There's something about bleach ending in 20 chapters aka chapter 700 (the same as naruto).

What a godawful way to end the series, unless kubo will continue it in another magazine.
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>>143489754
>>143489790
Someone post that list of things Kubo needs to resolve before putting this wreck out of its misery.
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>>143489754
>>143489715
so will we finally get an anime with the quincy arc?

I mean fucking D.Gray-man is getting the Alma arc animated after like 10 year
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>>143489790
Will 20 chapters be enough for Aizen to be relevant again?
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>>143489258
Seriously? All this hype and ichigo loses it all again.

Someone should give ichigo the brendan fraser treatment with photoshop
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>>143489715
>The decisive battle is finally coming, don't miss it!
>It's really here!
>Any minute now!

2 more years, right?
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>>143489790
>bleach ending in 20 chapters
Sauce or bullshit.
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>>143489703
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>>143489715
This is the 3rd time they've announced this.
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>>143489929
>I-It's ending this time for sure guys! Like in three weeks! Honest!
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>>143489258
>the new world
What's that?
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>>143489993
Yhwach takes a teleport to USA and gets shot
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its out
http://www.mangapanda.com/bleach/680
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>Bleach will never end in your lifetime.
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>>143490036
Yeah
nah
fuck you
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>>143489258
Weow. Bleach actually becoming good again!
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>>143489140
>Bleach gets like 2~3 color pages per year now.
>It's mostly a black and white sketch.
B R A V O
R
A
V
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>>143489993
>>143490027
>american cowboy shinigami
THE PROPHECY FULFILLED
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>Color page is black and white again

Classic Kubo.
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>>143489790
>juha steps through the gate to a new world
>the new world is Jump Square
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>>143490090
But that's Naruto.

>>143489258
Holy fuck. What is /a/'s opinion on Yhwach? I think he's better at being Aizen than Aizen himself. This fag's existance is one big keikaku.
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>>143490153
Hipster seal of approval on that.
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Bleach is gonna end this year. This is gonna end in chapter 700. Just like what they did with Naruto.
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>>143489140
>>143489752
>Center Color Page
>It's a fucking sketch
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"Black ink" chapters until the end!

He is still teasing, be we all know it's gonna end soon.
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>>143490231

This assumes Kubo can do anything on time.

I wouldn't take those odds considering who we're dealing with here.
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who the fuck put fried potatoes on yhwach
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>>143490231
No, it meant to say that the final chapter count will be higher than 700, and Bleach will pass Naruto in length.

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2012-02-01/tite-kubo-bleach-manga-to-enter-final-arc

There's 6 more years left of this.
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>>143490247
>be Kubo
>center color too much work - turn in a sketch!
>can't be bothered to draw a page - write a couple of words on it, done!
>spilled ink on a page, don't want to redo it - Ichigo's ultimate attack!

Thug life.
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>>143490354
>couple of words
You mean A word right?
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>>143490354
BRAVO TITE
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>>143490372
Not even a word. Just elipsis, a close up of someone's face, and the lack of a background.
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>>143490340
>fried potatoes
Hashbrowns did it.
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>>143490211
i kinda miss metaka box
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Spoiler images will look crazy, but in the end nothing's going to happen this week.
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>>143490340
i thought it was piss bubbles
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I just want this to end. If it's true there really are just 20 remaining chapters I'd be ok with it at this point.

Kubo had so many chances to answer questions and develop characters but instead he introduced more and more fodder characters and spent 5 chapters on hands and another 5 on laser owls. Oh and the 5 for build up for a gate that was also moot since apparently Fullbringers, Ryuken/Isshin just have a backdoor.

No, just end it please I don't even care if it makes sense anymore that would even be a fitting end to these past 6 years of rollercoaster garbage. I'd say I'm sad because of all the wasted potential but who am I kidding Kubo would have never seen anything through.
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>>143490509

I hate to say it but it felt like it was getting rushed

They really needed at least one more down-time.
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>>143490509
It's like the guy only knows how to type, but not deliver.

Fucking Vizards, many of the Espadas, Royal Guards, in the end all amount to literally nothing.
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why the fuck did the thread quality drop so low from the last one? what the fuck? it feels like /b/
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>>143490608
*knows how to hype
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Will we get spoiler pictures first? Or raws? Or maybe the chapter?
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>>143490642
Matsumoto a qt as fuk
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RYUKEN FUCKING WHERE??
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>>143490642
Why is that so?

Not enough KUBOOOOOOOOOOOOO for you?
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>>143490642
The last thread was filled with shipping shit, this is infinitely better.
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>>143490642
Bleach threads are always like that.
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>>143489258
> sternritters are dead
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while we wait for spoiler pics, let's roll.
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>>143490189

I think Aizen was more fun to have around, i find Yhwach pretty dull and boring. He looks cooler though.
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WHAT ABOUT ISHIDA?
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>>143489140
I want my Aizen, Kubo. Where is he?
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>>143490748
Orihime please.
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>>143490608
Royal Guards... Jesus Christ. I tried to block out their treatment but it's unforgivable... he should have just made faceless shadows or something instead of building them up to be badass.

But who am I kidding we didn't even see the Kids Corps which is SUPPOSED to be on par with the Gotei 13
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>>143490748
Flat please.
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>>143490748
Your time is up
My time is now
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I'm not ready for Bleach to end. I'll miss it so much.

>>143490748
Hope I get one of my waifus
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http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2016-06-30/tite-kubo-bleach-manga-nears-ending/.103789

Holy shit, it's actually ending. What the fuck.
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>>143490748
aight
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>>143490748
Fun fact, but did you know Shuno was revealed to be a dude upon anons closer inspecting a databook page?

Oh, and rolling for Nanao.
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>>143490748
haha

we aren't doing this again
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>>143490748
ROllin'
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>>143490802
What will we do once Bleach ends?
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>>143490189
He's better than Aizen in that he doesn't fuck around, he gets shit done.

Which will make his defeat even more bullshit than Aizen's.
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>>143490802
Oh fuck.
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>>143490748
rollan
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>>143490849
Go shitpost in Blue Exorcist threads
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>>143490849
Be sad. I'll miss it. I really will.
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>>143490787
All of the other anons get good rolls, but I get this.
Shoot me please.
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>>143490822
thank you kubo

I can live with this
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>>143490748
roll for bambi
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>>143490509
true
Where is the Flashback about Past of Urahara and Yoruichi?
Where is the Flashback about Past of Matsumoto?
Where is the OP power about Orihime?
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>>143490802
I was expecting a dead link, honestly. But given that they say the number of chapters is obscured, that fucking Renji got a volume cover recently, and I think Kubo will probably give Ichigo, Rukia, Orihime, and Uryu volume covers before it ends, we have a ways to go.
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>>143490027
teleports to Zombie Powder.
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>>143490748
ROLL
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>>143490802
I don't think I'm emotionally prepared for this
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>>143490802
>the exact same info that we have, probably from the exact same source
>"oh shit it's real now"
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>>143490748
roll
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>>143490748
Rolling for Rukia.
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>>143490821
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>>143490899
Fuck you
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>>143490891
I was actually thinking that too. If any of Ichigo's group gets the next cover, then it's practically confirmed.
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>>143490849
Cry forever because it's going to end before my favorite character gets to do something besides bleed on the floor.
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>>143490888
>Where is the OP power about Orihime?
One day, anon. One day.
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>>143490849
Watch the abridged, of course.
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Reposting for discussion here

>Chapter 672
>Ywach has a "dream" where SS Arc Ichigo with his old powers, comes and kills him when he doesn't yet have "The Almighty"

Time travel shenanigans?
Ichigo goes through another Shinigami rebirth and gets his old powers back?
Orihime uses her magic on him so hard that it reverts him back to when he had his completely unwavering spirit?
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>>143490919
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>>143490748
13 get
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>>143489140
Is that a fucking sharingan??
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>>143490802
Never?

;_;
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>>143490965
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>>143490849
Wait for Kubo's next work.
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>>143490821
Lipstick doesn't suit Ichiko
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>>143490940
The sequel to Bleach will be called Rinse, where Kubo will actually deal with everything that needs a resolve as if rinsing all the layers off his story.
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>>143490960
Soo, did he just reverse time or something or was that really a dream
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Does this mean i will never see Kubo draw Ulquiorra again?
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>>143490991
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>>143490849
i'll miss you and lab. no homo. ill miss all the anons ;_;
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>>143489801
well thats a bit of an exaggeration but holy shit it has been ~7 years since that arc started
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>>143490960
There was that "joke" reply about how they'd have to defeat him in the past but since the spoilers about Facebook ended up being false I don't know what to think.

Maybe just one of the "grains of sand" realities but maybe it has to do with the timing of when he could have been defeated, back in the SS arc which would be 2 years ago now?
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>>143490802
I don't want this ride to end guys
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>>143490891
74 - Orihime
75 - Rukia
76 - Ichigo
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>Reddit Academy already has spoiler pics
What the fuck?
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>>143490748
What a huge selection
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>>143490960
>yfw it turns out Ichigo actually fought Ywach off-screen on SS arc before
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do you sitll do that "how much more real can shit get?"
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>Even if you can no longer follow Bleach, Bleach can still follow you

;_;
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>>143491045
It's been like that for a while now, anon. It's sad.
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>>143490996
Like they'd let him do anything more than one shots after this fiasco of a manga
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>>143491045
Post them
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>>143491036
This. Possibly a Chad cover before Inoue, if Kuni gave a single fuck about him.
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>>143489140
Smile status: unprotected
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>>143491071
source?
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>>143490960
Best Ichigo. No gimmicks, no transformations on top of transformations, no "I'm part everything."

The last two chapters of Ichigo vs Yhwach felt like a parody of the typical Ichigo fight, and I feel that was Kubo's intention seeing how his bankai was wrecked. In the end, Ichigo won't beat Yhwach with some new transformation but with the form everyone is most familiar with.
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>>143491071
>>143491089
I hope he dies.
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>>143491064
This.

Literally the only big 3 with pacing so shit they have to stop making the anime and the side materials that are pretty much non-existence in substance they couldn't even bother coming up with fillers.
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>>143491086
Chad?? Who is he? ahahah
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>>143491089
>HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Villainous laugh. Have we ever had one before?
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>>143490996
It took Bleach hundreds of chapters to become a fun trainwreck and I don't think that Kubo will be able to properly replace that.
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One Piece just got full text / picture spoilers. Bleach soon, I guess.
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>>143491089
Is he dead?
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>>143490354
>Literally copy paste a two page spread and move around some small details and erase part of a sword
A hack
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>>143490849
>Can't post RYUKEN FUCKING WHERE anymore
Why live.
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>>143490849
Finish watching the anime
Watch all the movies
Read it from start to finish
Delete my folders
Cry

Last of all, I'm going to miss you anons
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>>143490748
Someone older please
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>>143491014

We don't know. It could really have just been a dream.

Or a premonition.

Whatever the case, all we can say is that we're getting Kubo'd real fucking hard.
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>>143491102
>implying he won't pull a Sasuke/Naruto and come back with a cloak of black energy
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>>143491121
No. Barragan, maybe.
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>>143491089
>>143491071
He looks dead. I really don't even care if he dies. I just want to see the terrble wreck that is Ishida vs Hashbrown.
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>>143491022
I'll probably retire the trip and focus more on mahouka.
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>>143490849
read Enchiladas, which is Ichigo's son monthly spinoff manga
duh
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>>143491071
>>143491089
oh no
>>143491121
OH FUCK
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>>143491100
I'd like that.
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>>143491176
You deserve this for caring about the worst protagonist in shonen history.
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>>143489140
Man, that shit is either Herpes or Leprosy.
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>>143490937
>That second panel
My heart.
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>>143491089
>shards near Ichigo head

hollow confirmed gone
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>>143491173
You'll be missed, LoN-kun.
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>>143491218
No he won't.
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>>143491121
That one Espada after he speared Rukia
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>>143490849
>it's the last chapter of bleach
>Ichigo uses BLEACH to wipe the world clean and reset everything
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>>143490748
rollan
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>Ywach absorbs the powers of the all the Sternritter.

Wait. Does that include Haschwalt and Ishida?
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>>143490748
roll
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>>143490748
Orihime
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>>143491234
>
>>143491241
That's what we've been trying to figure out.
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>>143490748
rodo rora
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>>143490748
Rollan
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>>143491198
>worst protagonist
He just got PTSD anon
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>>143490748
Rollan for best waif
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>>143491241
>Ishida didn't even get a proper fight
>In the fucking QUINCY ARC
I will never forgive you Kubo.
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>>143489715
>10 years of overwhelming popularity
>has been in the back pages of Jump for years now
>consistently last or second-to-last in almost every issue
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>>143491238
It's a fucking trap. Time to kill myself
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>>143491264
That doesn't change the fact that he's

GODDAMN

FUCKING

SHIT
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>>143490748
Riruka my love
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>>143490748
rollerino
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>>143490748
reroll
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>>143490586
I can't even feel bad at this point, it's literally all Kubo's fault. I felt pity for the man at one point, then I realized how much unnecessary crap he piles into his shoneshit. Remember how fucking long it took Uryu/Renji to lose against Szayel? Remember how we got half an arc of hyping up Quincies who would literally be killed off without even remotely tapping into their abilities?

Kubo is a mess. Kill this series.
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My favorite op
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>>143490748
Eh, why the fuck not.

Hoping for a Lisa, or someone of equal caliber.
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>>143491275
The rankings in the magazine literally don't matter. It sells very well.
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>>143490748
rukia roll
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>>143491273
>Quincy Arc
>Ryuken and Ishida do fuck all
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>>143491280
Damn, didn't know he raped you.

He actually used to be pretty cool, he just lost his personality after THE HEART
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>>143490748
roll
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>>143490748
Rollin
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>>143490937
He literally didn't do a single thing this entire series...

I...

Fuck...
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>>143491308
It does when a manga is first starting out and hasn't had a volume print yet.

Bleach sells well with people who have been reading Bleach all this time, but the magazine rankings show that non-Bleach fans really just don't care about it.
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>>143491306
My nig
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>>143491339
He hasn't had a personality for much longer than he had one.
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>>143490748
rollin for luck
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>>143491140
we will still be with you bro...
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>>143491339
>he just lost his personality after THE HEART
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>>143491339
>WAHH I DIDN'T WANT TO WIN LIKE THIS!!!!
Still makes me cringe. Then his nonstop crying in the fullbring arc.
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>>143491273
hey, Ichigo didn't get a proper fight either.
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>>143490748
roll
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>>143491302
>Remember how fucking long it took Uryu/Renji to lose against Szayel?

I remember it took 9 months, because everyone made jokes about Nemu giving birth to Szyeal appropriate because that's how long the fight was at that point.

But yeah, this arc feels kind of empty in comparison to Mexico. Mostly on the Sternritter, who are just one note, show up to fight and shittalk their opponent then die because Yhwach told them to. The nost entertainment I've seen from then was a New Years 4 Koma with Hashbrown and Bambi.
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>>143491306
>>143491364
Mah niggas

It's severely underrated for sure.
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>>143491121
Ginjo 2.0
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>>143490849
mass suicicde
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>>143491379
After he fights ulqiuorra, he becomes really silent and when he does talk, he seems souless.
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>>143491306
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyWSiBms6N8
I'm fucking crying
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We're getting raws before pictures at this point. Toriko is probably next, then Bleach if we're lucky.
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NEVER FORGET!!
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>>143491121
So what happens next? Ichigo is defeated for good, so I guess someone might try to stall ywach while Orihime heals him?
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>>143491439
>he posted it again
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>>143491408
>>143491402
>>143491218
>>143491234
>>143491173
cry with me guys...
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>>143491121
>>143491158

Yes
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>>143491439
>>143491448
>they posted it again
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>>143491439
>autism
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>>143490849
We need an /a/ sings for when Bleach ends. Should we sing Asterisk or Life is Like a Boat?
https://youtu.be/_ty-Nqm4Pdc
https://youtu.be/7f6CFj2c8zo
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>>143491454
I fucking hate this series.
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>>143490189
He's a neat idea and I like his design. But by this point he's so ridiculously overpowered I'm not sure any method of defeating him will feel satisfying or even fun. Aizen had the same issue ("Now I am the Getsugas, Aizen!" was sort of shit), but not even he was as out-there as Yhwach is.

This arc has been disappointing in general. It started off well, but it stagnated and fell apart quickly. I haven't felt engaged since Yamamoto's death.
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>>143491439
1) Orihime’s name is based on the legendary Orihime/Vega (weaver princess) in the Tanabata story. In Bleach, Orihime is part of the sewing/handicrafts club at school.
2) Orihime’s english-translated name by Kubo himself had her as ‘Vega Highwell’. In Japanese/Chinese mythology, Vega is another name for Orihime, and is linked to the Tanabata story.
3) In one colourspread, Orihime’s symbolic number is written as 7/7, indicating 7th July which is the date of the Tanabata Festival in Japan.
4) Ichigo’s hollow form in the Lust arc is in the motif of a bull/ox, which is a reference to Kengyuu/Altair being a cow-herder in the legend.
5) Ichigo’s birthday is on 15/7, which falls on Obon Festival, which is part of the Tanabata Festival.
6) In the legend, the lovers aren’t able to meet if it rains because the rivers would be flooded over and the boatsman can’t ferry Orihime to Kengyuu. In Bleach, Ichigo hates the rain.
7) Fun fact: In one of the illustrated Karakura town maps, Ichigo and Orihime’s homes are separated by a river and connected by a small bridge. In Chinese/Japanese mythology, Orihime (Vega) and Kengyuu (Altair) are separated by a river (which is a metaphor for outer space, where Vega and Altair are constellations).
8) The Bleach pilot chapter had stronger hints to the Tanabata legend, where Orihime and Ichigo are separated at the end because Orihime had died and become a ghost/soul, but it was hinted that she would come back to visit him.
9) The chapter after Orihime confesses to Ichigo and leaves for Hueco Mundo is called 'Eagle Without Wings’. Vega (Orihime) is also known as 'the falling eagle’ in medieval astronomy, and both Vega and Altair are depicted as birds.
10) The chapter when Ichigo goes off to rescue Orihime is called 'Winged Eagles’. Altair (Kengyuu) is also known as 'the flying eagle’ in medieval astronomy.
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>>143490849
>>143490996

And hope this time will be a Seinen.
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>>143491455
Ginjo a cute
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>>143491440
Ishida does and gets killed.

LUST 2.0
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>>143491454
don't worry anon, Orihime will give him happiness
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>>143491456
It'll never change, even when the ride ends.
R-Right? ;_;
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>>143491454
Why are Rukiafags so autistic?
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>>143491479
Asterisk, no contest
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>>143491412
He got a seriously hit on the head by his injuring Ishida in hollow form, then having to fight Aizen and getting mindfucked. Then deciding to give up his powers to saver everyone, then trying ot make peace with his deciison, then in the end not being able to make peace with his decision.

Ichigo crying uncontrollably after Ginjo stole his power that he just regained was one of the most heartbreaking moments in the entire series.
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>Ywach takes all powers and fucks off
>Everyone left to rebuild and wonder where he went
>Ichigo drifts through life without meaning, nothing his friends or family can do will cheer him up
>Rukia shows up, asks him to come on a hollow patrol with her
>"...Alright."
>The End

Wouldn't even be mad.
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>>143491454
>>143490849

At this point i just want it to end.
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>>143491479
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>>143490849
fap to the new doujin when it end
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>>143491479
Both of course
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>>143491496
Filled with IshiHime angst.
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>>143491480
>>143491426
>>143491412
>>143491410
>>143491408
>>143491402
>>143491218
>>143491234
>>143491173


How do we keep up with it? The speed of the world without Bleach ?
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>>143490849
never thought about this
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>>143491520
We all wish for the sweet release of death from this series.
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I'm going to play this while reading final chapter

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9ojRLYNB8s
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Faggots... even if this is ending in 20 chapters (which I doubt) and if it's not simply being moved to a different magazine... even if Kubo doesn't do a Bleach:EXTRA or something to wrap up loose threads... that's still 20 weeks. Five more months. It's a little too early to be saying goodbye and shit, don't you think?
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>>143491532
Watching other anime and reading other manga of course.
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>>143491495
He was a piece of shit. Facebook was the real cutie.

His death made me sad ;_;
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On a scale of 1 to 10, without memeing

Rate Bleach as a whole.

3/10
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>>143491562
0
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>>143491520
will this fuckers do anything else for the story?

Will Aizen do anything?
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>>143491488
>autism
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https://www.spoiler.net/spoiler/4p.1-bleach-chapter-680
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>>143491562
7/10
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>>143491562
6.5/10

doesn't mean I can't be invested in it though
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>>143491562
8/10 as of now. Might decrease or improve as the end unfolds.
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>>143491528
I like your thinking.
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>>143491562
Ghostbusters through SS Arc literally 10/10, the rest is like 6/10 at best.
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>>143491454
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJ6MaVl3hL4
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>>143491582
>no Orihime
I don't care.
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>>143491580

No, Yhwach just leaves and the manga ends.
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>>143491562
As a whole? 6/10. The Substitute Shinigami and Soul Society arc were that good. First half of the Arrancar arc too.
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>>143491540
>We
Speak for yourself, there hasn't been a chapter I didn't enjoy, for varying reasons
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>>143491562
7/10
It was my first anime (aside of random episodes of dragon ball and pokemon when I was young) and it's been a wild ride for me for about 6-7 years now, reading every week without missing once.
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>>143491562
6/10

Ghostbusters 7/10
SS 8/10
Mexico 5/10 (too long, ptsd ichigo, didn't play to the quirks to the charas nearly aswell as the rest of the series. tonally it didnt make much sense to but it hurt it for me)
Fulbringer: 4/10
TYW: 6/10
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Black sun
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>>143491552
whats the point?
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>>143491562
10/10
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>>143491562

5/10, assuming 5 is average. I completely lost interest after Shunsui showed his Bankai.
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>>143491615
She'll be in the chapter, anon. Have faith.
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>>143491439
>>143491488
>they posted it again
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>>143491562
4/10

At it's best it was a weird slice of life series about ghost monsters

At it's worst it was a series of trump cards

nowadays it's jut diet jojo. Sometimes it's good, but it'll never be as good as the real thing.
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