For what purpose did Griffith overlaped the astral world into the mortal world?
it truly is Berserk - The manga series
>>143449359
>For what purpose did Griffith overlaped
For what purpose is your grammar so shitty?
>>143449359
Kill yourself you fucking speedreader
>>143450907
But It's not explicitly told
>>143449359
-Griffith is Femto.
-Femto is 1 of the 5 Godhand.
-the Godhand could only send 1 of themselves into the physical realm through reincarnation
-they choose Femto because he is the recent hero of midland
-from the moment he was reincarnated with his fleshy Griffith skin, he already knew that his goal was to merge the astral layers so the other 4 Godhand members may also be in the physical world.
-we dont know the grand scheme of the Godhand
-the Idea of Evil is retconned by Miura as of now
-Femto will most likely not let anything happen to his precious little kingdom.
>>143451750
Did you miss the entire endgame of the conviction arc?
It was one of the more lackluster arcs, I know, but c'mon.
>>143452131
>-we dont know the grand scheme of the Godhand
Well according to the IoE their goal is to do what the fuck ever they wa-
>-the Idea of Evil is retconned by Miura as of now
Well, technically, no. I believe he just said that decided he didn't want to introduce that concept that early in the story, and we have nothing that would seem to contradict it as of yet.
>-Femto will most likely not let anything happen to his precious little kingdom.
Yeah, but what does he consider his kingdom? Theseus' Ship and all that. I mean, he did try to assassinate Rickon for pimp-slapping his bitch ass.
>>143452261
>Yeah, but what does he consider his kingdom?
Falconia and its citizens. at this point in the story Femto could stop his facade and just kill everybody in his utopia overnight no problem. instead were getting a wedding for his Griffith persona and the people prospering happily within falconia. Maybe thats all part of the Godhands evil scheme. or maybe thats Femto living out his dream like he always wanted.
>he did try to assassinate [[Rickert]] for pimp-slapping his bitch ass.
that hasnt been stated as fact yet. Rakshas was probably sent by Locus, without Griffiths approval.
>>143452131
When you put it that way, falconia needs to stay untouched for about a few years. And I was hoping we'd get some story progression here ;(
>>143452468
He has to make the citizens love him so he can sacrifice them. Calling it here first.
>>143452131
>Femto will most likely not let anything happen to his precious little kingdom.
You say that, but I still think it's a honeypot so he can sacrifice all the citizens to incarnate the Godhand.
The nice thing about Berserk is that it's not obvious what's coming next.
>>143452518
Seems about right.
Was the merging of the worlds really that bad?
Sure, most of mankind will probably die out in the first couple of months due to all the monster attacks and stuff, but not all supernatural entities are jerks. Schierke and friends constantly get help from spiritual beings, the wind and fire spirits that power up their weapons, that one spirit that saved the village from the troll attack that used to be worshiped by the villagers, etc.
There could be humans surviving in other places besides Falconia for all we know.
Once they get off elf island they'll probably find out several hundred years passed in the real world and it's a completely different place and humans have since adapted to living in this new environment.
>>143452563
>>143452518
I thought the sacrifice was a 2 way street. There has to be a bond both ways, he needs to love them too. I don't think he does though.
>>143452518
>He has to make the citizens love him so he can sacrifice them. Calling it here first.
thats a good guess, but for what reason? and I think that the Griffith that lies within Femto would not let his dream kingdom that he finally achieved be swallowed up by the Godhands plan. i think if the Godhand did plan to use falconia for something like a big sacrifice, Femto would betray Void and the other 3 to keep his kingdom. "Do as you wish" afterall.
>>143452556
>You say that, but I still think it's a honeypot so he can sacrifice all the citizens to incarnate the Godhand.
the Godhand already reside in the physical world. the worlds merged and they too became physical. they havent been shown yet, but im pretty sure they dont need to be reincarnated like Femto did.
>The nice thing about Berserk is that it's not obvious what's coming next
agreed.
>>143452787
It's the Kingdom he's strived for his whole life, I'd say he loves it.
>>143452468
>[[Rickert]]
fuck me, been stuck on GoT for too long
>>143452787
His entire life, Griffith has only sought one thing, to become a king. He probably doesn't give a fuck about his subjects, but loves the idea of being a king and ruling a kingdom more than anything else. He was willing to sacrifice Guts and everyone for the chance of fulfilling that dream.
So if he does sacrifice his kingdom for something, the thing he sacrifices it for is probably going to be a pretty big deal, since he's sacrificing his entire life's goal for it.
>>143452859
Femto will sacrifice everything for Guts' droopy [Donovan was here] asshole.
>>143452787
No, thats the really interesting part about Griffith. Every time you saw him smiling, or being gentle or whatever he does, is just an act to reach his goal, I said interesting because you can actually notice he's evil incarnate through the golden age arc. Never cared about the hawks, and Guts is debatable, he was his favourite pawn but also somehow became obsessed with him.
>>143452859
>So if he does sacrifice his kingdom for something, the thing he sacrifices it for is probably going to be a pretty big deal, since he's sacrificing his entire life's goal for it.
It will be a big deal but I dont think he will have much problem giving up everything, its not like hes the very same lying faggot Griffith was, hes Femto now, different entity, different goal.
What the hell does Griffith want to do anyway? Sacrifice Falconia for the keks? Get rid of the rest of the godhand?
>>143453097
I'm pretty sure the only reason why he liked guts was because he couldn't have guts, everyone would follow that faggot till the end except guts. Guts is literally Griffiths bad boy husbando.
>>143453097
its not like hes the very same lying faggot Griffith was, hes Femto now, different entity, different goal
Caterpillars become butterflies. Griffith became Femto. a lot of Griffiths unnecessary qualities probably disappeared but id say that we wont see the last of Femtos former bad habits.
>>143453097
>different entity
It might be different for Godhand, but Apostles at least still keep some of their affections from when they were humans. That count guy from the start of the story literally chose burning in hellfire for all eternity over sacrificing his daughter. The fairy wannabe moth girl still cared about her childhood friend and saved her during the fight with Guts. The Indian emperor's desire to rule the world was so strong he rebelled against his masters for it.
It was probably for political/practical reasons, but Griffith did try to reconcile with Rickert.
>>143453359
woops meant to quote.
>>143449359
for teh lulz
>>143453097
>No, thats the really interesting part about Griffith. Every time you saw him smiling, or being gentle or whatever he does, is just an act to reach his goal, I said interesting because you can actually notice he's evil incarnate through the golden age arc. Never cared about the hawks, and Guts is debatable, he was his favourite pawn but also somehow became obsessed with him.
It's okay to be mad at Griffith but it's not okay to be legitimately autistic.
Griffith isn't a bad person. Even at the eclipse his actions were logical and justified by basic human nature.
Femto is the same person just with less emotion.
>>143453361
Griffith is not an Apostle. He's a Godhand with a physical body.
>>143449359
to get everyone to escape from the monsters and come to falconia
then sacrifice em
something something cycle
>>143453637
so griffith is the good guy like skull knight?
>>143452131
-Femto will most likely not let anything happen to his precious little kingdom.
brace urself
>>143453712
wait
so king gaiseric is literally not skull knight
which means void was gaiseric? who else could have sacrificed the entire city?
>>143453684
we dont fucking know. too ambiguous.
>>143453712
I wish griffith saw his qt princess riding on guts back like that, his face would be priceless.
>>143453768
no one sacrificed it, godhand fucked his shit up and he's out for blood 1000 years later.
he's just a boss.
>>143453684
Anata wa baka desu ka?
>>143453797
please speak english you weeb freak.
Griffith's goal is to become God.
>>143453768
i remember some timbit about some dude being caged in gaiseric's dungeon but i can remember the chapter
>>143453796
But how would the godhand have done anything in the physical world? Their whole current deal with Griffith is working the "get into the physical world" angle.
I'm pretty sure if there were literal monsters and demons running around those would have been incorporated and embellished within the mythic legend instead of downplaying the conqueror and his accomplishments.
And we know everyone was sacrificed because the fuckton of skulls with the "brand of sacrifice" on them.
>>143453796
>no one sacrificed it
are you serious? everyone of those corpses has a brand on their forehead
>>143453637
some one sacrificed the old capital that 99% fact
>>143453843
Yeah, it was a scholar who had yadda yadda heretic bad yadda yadda against Gaiseric.
And the running theory was that that dude was the person who became Void, and that he sacrificed the whole city. But I'm pretty sure there has to be a meaningful relationship between you and the person you sacrifice, like in every example of sacrifice we've seen. Void couldn't have just sacrificed the entire goddamn city without them even knowing his name.
>>143453852
>>143453868
Hm well probably someone else sacrificed his shit and he's just like Guts, mad AF.
It doesn't make sense that he's an apostle and the king was definitely him.
Why did people used to say that Void was related to Skull Knight?
>>143453768
im king Gaiseric. Void my right hand man betrayed me so i sent him to the dungeons to have him tortured. they mutilated him. the empire that we built loved us and he loved them. so he sacrificed my shit and I dipped from the scene and to let things calm down. i was horribly wounded but a cutie witch saved my life.
>>143453880
well you're kind of right, but then again, the egg apostle's sacrifice makes even less sense if you think about it. Wouldn't suprise me if something like that were actually possible
>>143453880
>>143453912
The legend states 4 angels came so Void was already among them.
You guys dumb or what?
>>143453891
>Hm well probably someone else sacrificed his shit
Yeah, but if you're king and beloved uniter, who the fuck else is in position to sacrifice your entire city? Everyone knew and loved Griffith, so he was able to take away Guts' shit because it was his shit too. But who would be as well known and as loved as what the people of the city would essentially see as a god emperor?
>>143453936
so void showed up to himself along with 4 other angels?
>>143453912
Yeah okay that makes sense, I r dum
>>143453936
There were conflicting reports on the number of angels
>>143453768
The one who sacrificed Gaiseric's city was the "holy man" he imprisoned and called God to punish him.
On the matter of the the number of angels as seen by changing from 5 to 4, except foreshadowing for the eclipse, it's most likely that the Godhand manipulates history and events, a simple thing for them.
>>143453684
Griffith is Guts' Void.
>>143453936
New god hand members are chosen every 1000+ years iirc. Void was the first of the new generation of god hand.
>>143453944
>beloved uniter
did you even read the manga? the king was taxing everyone so he could get his dick wet and stomach full.
his cute wife who loved the kingdom probably came in his sex chamber one day and got mad.
>>143453991
5 was the mistake, 4 was the actual number. void was already there.
>>143454011
[citation needed]
>>143453936
>>143453891
yeah but skull knight and void shared like a page long glance at each other during the eclipse
and if my life of tv and comics thought me anything, it that they share some kind of DEEP connection
>>143454043
bruh. they don't even have eyeballs.
>>143454030
>[citation needed]
The crimson behelit appears every 200 years or so. I don't know where I read it but I remember reading it.
If this shit happened 1000+ years ago it's enough time to create 5 new members (with griffith being the fifth).
So where was 'skull knight is gaiseric' established?
>>143454001
>On the matter of the the number of angels as seen by changing from 5 to 4, except foreshadowing for the eclipse, it's most likely that the Godhand manipulates history and events, a simple thing for them.
no its deeper then that, this is not real life its a manga. it wouldnt have gotten face time if it was unimportant
>>143454001
>Griffith is Guts' Void.
No, King Gaiseric is more like Griffith. they were both rulers. even Guts says that the tale of king Gaiseric sound like what Griffith had recently done.
>>143454072
One of the baddies called him "your majesty".
>>143454066
"It appears once every 216 years when the time of the Eclipse draws near, and rather than becoming an Apostle, the bearer of the Crimson Behelit is destined to become the next member of the God Hand. It is not known whether there were five different Crimson Behelits or whether the same came to each of the God Hand in turn. "
Taken from the wiki. I don't know what their source is though.
>>143454066
this isn't even conjecture, you're just placing random pieces of information together!
>>143454072
bad ass warrior who wears a skull mask.
there was no real reason for that legend to be told other than because we just met a bad ass warrior who wears a skull mask.
I mean it's completely obvious they're the same person.
>>143454099
If new members are being created ever 200 years then how come they were already there 1000 years ago?
>>143454066
The eclipse that creates a godhand only comes once every 216.
Void is the oldest of the godhand. However the number of angels in the story of Gaiseric isnt definite. Judeau says he remember's four angels being mentioned instead of Charlotte's five. It is possible that the godhand manipulate the story with their powers.
>>143454099
http://berserk.wikia.com/wiki/Berserk_Timeline
>>143454098
i thought this meant a new apostle gets created every 216 years, i mean every behelit is crimson
>>143454126
we dont know. there's tons of shit we dont know yet
>>143454126
Godhand exists outside of our universe, the whole space time continuum thingy. So once someone becomes a member of Godhand, he was always a member of Godhand? Void was the first one to become a member a thousand years ago, and when he became one, the four other ones were there during his initiation. Even Femto, who has only recently became one.
So outside of their own initiations, every single Godhand member was present at every other Godhand member's initiation? And in two hundred years, when the next member joins, he'll retcon reality and be present during all those events as well?
>>143454130
Or maybe the 4 angels we know were already there and every eclipse passed that failed for some reason. I assume it's possible for someone to say to no to the god hand.
Either that or it's a cycle like I said earlier.
>>143454146
No, the crimson one is special which is why zodd flipped the fuck up when he saw it.
He wouldn't have cared if it was just another behelit that makes just another random apostle.
>>143454179
Nigga I like the idea but this shit is too deep.
its clear as day that skull knight was the 5th member of god hand and void sacrificed his shit
now guts is going to "destined" to sacrifice griffiths shit but he probably wont because outside of causality or some such
If Griffith knows the idea of evil exists, he is probably plotting to merge the worlds in an attempt to either kill it or expose it to the rest of the world
If he doesn't, he's either just aiding or plotting against the godhand at this point- for if they exist in the mortal realm, they may well be killable, but they are just as likely to already have plans of their own in such a case
>>143454197
too deep in his ass
QUESTION
what color are regular behelits?
>>143454083
I know it's important but all records show that Void is the first godhand.
Causality and shit man.
>>143454089
It's not about their positions before the eclipse. Void sacrificed Skully's precious things and so did Griffith to Guts. And so they fight.
The chapters at Flora's mansion make everything more clear.
>>143454206
>SK
>god hand member
SK hates everything apostle related and everyone is calling him their 1000 years long enemy. Don't be silly anon.
>>143454210
did you even read the lost chapter? griffith asks what the idea of evil wants from him and he's just like "do as thou wilt" and griffith is all "fuck yeah gimme wings then"
no, seriously.
>>143454197
The Godhand are all based on 2deep novels already, there's no "too deep" for why and what they are
>>143454143
There are no citations for the stuff involving SK and Void.
>>143454179
>Void was the first one to become a member a thousand years ago,
[citation needed]
>>143454220
"While usual Behelits are depicted as yellow, blue or green in color, there is the Crimson Behelit that is connected to the God Hand. "
>>143454179
This.
>>143449359
What's it like being an average joe in the berserk world?
guts still have the behelit he showed to the witch?
not like the answers matter but can see him telling the godhand to fuck off if he gets offered a dealif this happens, he will be using the berserker armor to kill his party in the progress
>>143454246
And that might be why Miura didn't want it published
Griffith's actual thoughts regarding the IoE have yet to be revealed the same way it has
>>143454220
>"While usual Behelits are depicted as yellow, blue or green in color, there is the Crimson Behelit that is connected to the God Hand."
>>143454237
because the idea of evil set him up, just like griffith is getting set up
>everyone is calling him their 1000 years long enemy
that doesn't actually disprove anything
>>143454179
I dont think they can affect events related to the other godhands but since they exist outside the material plane i agree that they can manipulate all written and oral records.
>>143454253
>>143454298
the fuck.
>>143454283
I don't think Guts will be wearing the Berserker armour by the end of the series. He'll probably have his own stylish as fuck "ultimate" set or whatever
>>143454283
yes he does still have it
it sets up my theory >>143454206
Damn son. Gaiseric was the fifth angel who united the empire. When the wise man sacrificed everyone, four other angels descended. Trying to protect his people, Gaiseric killed the four, but lost his godhand status and most powers. Void then ascended as the only new Godhand.
>>143454331
Elvish armor here we come
>>143454306
And what is your proof of that? The set up thing?
Nothing in the entire show indicates that. Maybe I'm missing something but it really seems like a random thought anon.
And why did SK have to use the berserker armor if he had the powers of a god hand?
>>143454298
>>143454253
>↑ Sword of the Berserk: Guts' Rage. Published by Eidos Interactive in 2000.
This isn't remotely canon and Guts has a red behelit.
Tentacle rape.
>>143454354
But red isn't crimson anon :^)
Don't you know your colors?
>>143454349
I have actually been thinking recently that the Elf King is going to hook him up with some powerful gear, but that might be wishful thinking because I don't really like the helmets and want to see all of Gut's head when he fights like in the conviction arc
>>143454341
He should still be an apostle of some kind but he clearly isn't because the brand doesn't recognize him as one.
>>143454126
The way I understood the bit about the Angels mentioned is that since the God Hand exists outside of time and space, Femto, Void, or any of the others have no problems manifesting at chronological junctures that precede their own existence. Even if you assume it was only 4 Angels rather than 5, it still means that the one who eventually became Void was face-to-face with himself.
As for the mention of 5 Angels, I assume that is just foreshadowing about Femto.
Also, wasn't there a similar instance in the manga to the stuff about Gaiseric about some unnamed nun of the distant past being persecuted? I remember it seemed like a dead ringer for Slan at the time.
>>143454354
Sword of the Berserk was written to fit into the canon though Anon and supervised by Miura
>>143454366
Caska's model is perfect but Griffith and Guts look god awful.
What the fuck, Koei?
>>143454400
The source isn't canon AT ALL. And Guts' behelit is red, sorry, crimson.
So no, stop.
>>143454379
i want the elf king to hook him with 2nd eye and arm.
>>143454352
>Nothing in the entire show indicates that
show? did you even read the manga you fuck?
>>143454433
I've read the manga like 4-5 times, that's just my english slipping up.
>>143454126
It's actually 216 years. If it's really exactly 1000 years then it goes like this.
-1000: Void
-784: 2nd godhand
-568: 3rd godhand
-352: 4th godhand
-136: Femto
It doesnt really add up so the 1000 years is more likely to be rounded up.
The incarnation ceremony also comes every 1000 years. If it really is a thousand years and not rounded up we have,
1000: Incarnation ceremony
998: Femto's eclipse
782: Eclipse
566: Eclipse
350: Eclipse
134: Void's Eclipse
>>143454379
>we get the eragon dragon ritual scene
>but drawn my miura
MUH DIIIIIIICK
>>143454179
I think they just retcon the story, as seen here >>143453768, this is like the day before the eclipse and it's already changing from 4 to 5.
I don't believe in the cycle theory that says that the godhand works in cycles.
I'm gonna be sad when Zodd is finally killed for good
>>143453712
Shit
Skull Knight was the fifth angel, he betrayed the God Hand and thus, they punished him
It fits
>>143454459
The 1000 years could be an approximation though. Everything about gaiserc is vague as fuck.
>>143454459
[citations needed]
>>143454491
>feasts and debauchery
>he must have betrayed the god hand guys
>>143454492
Yeah, that what i'm saying.
>>143454540
Sorry I missed the middle of your post.
>>143454341
>>143453712
>>143454491
Griffith will rebel against rest of the Godhand to save his kingdom and kill them all. Guts will become a new member of the Godhand to cast down Griffith, and his sacrifice will be everyone, meaning the kingdom, his party, etc. Guts will start the new Godhand and Griffith will become the new Skull Knight. Sonia will survive as Griffith's Flora.
With the destruction of the old Godhand, realities will unmerge and thing will go back to normal. Then everything will repeat again in a thousand years.
>>143454392
i thought the nun may have been Flora. shes been around for probably as long as Skully. and we know that she went around helping people with her magic. but when the church grew to power, they deemed magic and magic users as evil. so Flora was chased away by the church and she lived the rest of her days in her tree home.
>>143454534
Why would the God Hand punish that, though?
>>143453712
>the city disappeared in clouds and thunder
not implying anything
time to re-read, have been a year since last time i did it
>>143454597
That's exactly what I'm trying to say. It makes no sense.
>>143454576
In which chapter did that story appear again? Was it during the Tower of Conviction?
>>143454603
forgot pic
>>143454563
no, this is what griffith will try to do but will fail just like skull knight did, even thought they sacrificed the things the held most dear (their castle on the hill) then guts who is outside of causality will show up and do some minor thing that will cause things to play out differently then how the IOE planned it out
>>143454563
This is the only way it would take an interesting manner.
>>143454603
Due to the parallels between Guts and Skully, it is implied that Skully was the only survivor and every other citizen died. So any records about what happened would be by outsiders seeing what was happening. When Rickert approched the lake from the outside he only say a huge tornado like wall blocking access, so the clouds and thunder somewhat fit in if you take in mind how events that are passed down orally somehow tend to change.
>>143454534
>>143454597
>>143454605
It was an incredibly advanced civilization, just like Falconia is now. Once it was destroyed, the surviving humans rationalized that the angels were sent by god to punish them for their sins and their decadency.
SK being aligned with apostles or being a godhand makes zero fucking sense especially since he was old friends with Flora and used Berserker armor and has the "scent" of fairies about him. All those things are clearly stated in the manga and are not conjecture. His situation with Void is the same situation Guts is with Griffith, with the difference that after becoming supernatural, SK most likely became bound by casualty, unlike Guts, so he is essentially powerless to stop the Godhand but he continues the obviously futile struggle, much like Guts. Flora mentioned that this is not a cycle or a circle, but a spiral and that is also said directly in the manga. That also means that Guts has a chance to escape what has happened to SK or at least alter events in such a way as to allow for the events to progress further beyond the point SK reached before checking out.
>>143453936
Someone refresh my memory; the Godhand ALREADY existed, it's just that one member is incarnated as a human then transformed. That is to say, Femto wasn't created the moment Griffith decided to sacrifice everyone to the behelit; he was always Femto, he just didn't know or remember it until the eclipse.
Is this right?
>>143453936
>>143455111
I'm saying this because you're ignoring how the legend also says that there were 5 angels. Conflicting reports. 4 angels came down, but 1 angel was already with them (the guy locked up in the dungeon?), that's the idea.
>>143455111
That's just anons fantasizing. No evidence supports this. In fact some things in the manga contradict this theory. Like IoE telling Griffith that he was created by manipulation of human lives and bloodlines. Or Void's speeches about casualty and everything being subject to it. Or their failure to predict SK bailing Guts and subsequent statements regarding failing to anticipate everything.
>>143455005
This.
Also I'm sad for SK. He's so OP and yet to powerless.
>>143455111
well before femto, the godhand created new apostles often with just 4 of them
we dont know whats up with the event that happened 1000 years ago or know who the 4 OR 5 angels that appeared were. we might get answers from the elf king though.
>>143455005
It's literally magic though, so I don't see why Skully wouldn't be able to be a former godhand.
Now we just have to wait for Miura to finish the manga and see for ourselves
>>143455209
I always liked well-made undead or mentor type characters and SK fills all those niches. That and he gave Guts free rides on his kickass horse all the damn time. And saved a whore he had absolutely no reason to save simply because he was close by which kind of dispels the thought that he might be a manipulative bastard and only pretending to be on "their side". Or at least shows that he is capable of an altruistic act. Or telling Flora that he'd rather let her die peacefully than die being torn apart by Griffith's demons despite both of them knowing that her demise is imminent.
Picture related - one of my favorite pages in Berserk. Despite the grimdarkness of the setting it's quite heroic.
>>143455309
It's not "literally magic". There are various kinds of power and we can clearly observe it, seeing how Guts' brand reacts to the presence of apostles/godhand and how it reacts to the presence of SK. There are established, internally consistent rules in the Berserk universe that are followed by all beings, even those as powerful as the Godhand.
>>143454563
that twist tho
>>143452518
>He has to make the citizens love him so he can sacrifice them.
Wrong way around. The sacrificed have to mean something TO HIM.
>>143454043
Skull Knight swung his sword at Void, it's the first fucking thing he does breaking into the eclipse.
>>143453852
If it happened on the day of an eclipse, then the Godhand could have manifested in the physical world for awhile.
>>143449359
He wants to create an utopia on earth where everyone can be happy.
>>143453637
Flora said that karma was a spiral and that there will be similarities but the same things wont necessarily happen. The 4/5 angels descending on Gaiseric's kingdom could either refer to another eclipse or that the material and astral worlds were merged before. So it either means the worlds will separate eventually or there's a method to do it
>>143454459
>-352: 4th godhand
Slann was the 4th iirc
>>143458933
Cloud and thunder
saved from page 10
>>143454181
>Or maybe the 4 angels we know were already there and every eclipse passed that failed for some reason. I assume it's possible for someone to say to no to the god hand.
Or the subconsciousness of humanity was manipulated.
