You see, this is why tanks > giant robots
giant robots never made any sense, its sad that japan took them seriously for so long
What's the appeal of giant robot anyway? They look silly.
>>143381937
this is why drawn animation > lazy cgi
>>143381937
>You see, this is why tanks > giant robots
Tanks are better than giant robots, but no, your video is a really shitty example and not a good reason at all.
>>143381937
Let's put it this way. There's a miniaturized tank with miniature people inside controlling it and it's opponent is a fully equipped marine. Let's say the size difference is roughly the same as that between a mech and a real tank.
Can the marine beat the miniature tank?
>>143383035
Depends on the size of the miniature tank and its armament.
>>143383068
Let's say it's exactly the same as the latest cutting edge tanks, except in miniature and that everything works as intended despite being in miniature. The marine has the latest standard issue rifle and armor.
>>143381937
Yeah but giant robots are cooler.
>>143383035
>Let's put it this way.
No, what you are suggesting is actually something completely different.
Size matters. Cubes vs squares and all that.
>>143383151
It still depends on the size of the tank relatively to the marine.
>not liking both
>>143383291
No, cubes and squares a shit. Everything just works for the sake of the experiment.
>>143383309
How about the same as OP's pic.
>>143383528
>cubes and squares a shit.
Because supersized machines are extremely handicapped by the fact that they are too large. I understand you though. Your previous mecha would have no chance in hell of standing up to tanks if you allowed for physics to work.
>Everything just works for the sake of the experiment.
Well, the tank would still be able to shoot much further and much more precise than the soldier, so on an open plane the soldier loses immediately.
But just shrinking the tank would be unfair to it. You'd increase its armor too up to the point where a single shot of the soldier wouldn't be a certain kill any more. And then the soldier loses on any territory despite being at a huge advantage because the mechanics of tanks are still reality bound, and not super-fast like the ones of your proposed mecha.
Armor and reach. That's what makes the tank great.
But can tanks GATTAI?
I don't think so.
>tanks
>can't fly
>can't cross arms
>can't wear sunglasses
>can't even combine
Fuck off with this bullshit.
tanklets when will they ever learn
>>143383755
>tanks
>can't fly
A mech will always be weaker than a tank. It's a design issue.
A tank is a simple machine by comparison. It is a gun on a turret on treads. There's far less things to worry about when it comes to operating a tank vs operating a mech.
In cost, in repairs and maintenance, in mass production, in support of infantry, in target profile, in defense against air strikes/other tanks/artillery/urban infantry a tank wins against the mech every single time. There is not one situation in which a mech is better off than a tank, factoring in the costs of war.
The same reason why a mech lose is why hitler's retarded obsession to design the biggest fuck-off tanks (tiger II, maus, even ratte) made them lose the war even harder than they would've.
The future of overland combat is in mass-produced hunter-killer drone swarms. Imagine a horde of remote-controlled drones nimble enough to go through windows or up stairs or open doors, going house-to-house like infantry does today. And the ace pilots controlling them don't even have to be in the same fucking continent as you, or they could just be auto-piloted to kill anything living in the area.
>>143383681
>previous
*precious
Speaking of giant robots, I hope this hasn't been scrapped yet
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVJTGLL2SnI
>>143383799
>flying without wings
That's just silly.
>>143383755
>cant fly
We call those bombers
>>143384182
What the hell are they even shooting at?
Did a bird drop some poop on the commander's tank?
>mechas
>better/ cooler than tanks in any way, shape or form
>ever
"no"
>>143381937
https://youtu.be/iv5RqX4HUP4?list=PLEfgmaBs1PMkDLg16AbRfmkMg7DTG_7kk&t=291
>>143384303
It's really cool to see tanks evolve from snail-moving pillboxes to shitty armoured cars to the "real" tanks of the mid-WW2 era to today's cumulation of all the lessons learned.
The extremely low profile, the flat turret, the reactive armor of today's master tanks would probably make hitler cream himself in despair.
>>143384478
>the best lloking tanks were among the worst design-wise
Being a wehraboo is suffering
>>143384542
nazi tanks are pretty nice look, no question. Panzer IVs looks great, and was pretty good for its time.
Russians were the first to come up with the sloped armour thing though. And the T-34 is the forefather of modern tank designs.
>>143384686
>Russians were the first to come up with the sloped armour thing though. And the T-34 is the forefather of modern tank designs.
No and no.
>>143384686
>And the T-34 is the forefather of modern Russian tank designs.
fixed
>>143384820
Okay, popularized. Is that better? The first ones to use sloped armour all over is French tanks Renault and Somua but who the fuck gives a shit about the french.
>>143384824
The T-34 is the forefather of modern tanks. It was the most produced tank in the war (second place is the M4 Sherman), it was much better than Panzer 3s & 4s and lead to the creation of Tiger & Panther from the Germans in response, which ultimately turned out to be mistakes.
It popularized many concepts along the M4: small fast light tanks with flat treads, easily produced/repaired tanks, multiple accessories and customization for the chassis for SPG or transport, snokels for going underwater, low target profile etc.
Their effectiveness and the failure of German's heavy tanks led to the main battle tanks of today.
>tanks
>can't even hurl galaxies at each other
>can't shred waves
>can't ascend to godhood
>thinking they're superior to mecha in any way
>>143385147
Tanks are real.
>>143385284
so is cancer
>>143385358
Cancer kills more people than mecha every year.
Cancer is objectively a better weapon than mecha.
>>143385389
And tanks
>>143385389
>>143385454
>bringing 3d matters to a 2d board
>>>/k/
>>143385454
Why is the pentagon so blind to this?
We must advance cancer science.
We can't fall behind in the cancer race.
>>143385389
>>143385454
Cancer confirmed for most potent weapon of all times
>>143385557
>you won't live long enough to see the entire collective of 4chan being harvested as the world's most powerful superweapon
What a time to be dead
>>143385638
That actually makes me glad
>>143385638
Please anon, what do you think meme magic is? This website is using memes as a weapon to wraek havoc on the planet.
See: Germanwings crash, Brexit, Donald Trump, Ebola-chan
>>143385723
Don't forget people getting memed into being NatSocs
>>143385783
>not capitalizing German nouns
This faggot.
>>143385066
>it was much better than Panzer 3s & 4s
While Panzer IV engages targets three times faster and from longer range?
>easily produced/repaired tanks
It was totally different level job to change T-34 wheel than Pz IV or M4 wheel.
Driving to mines was more common than getting shot.
Also Pz III and IV chassis were both used for AA vehicles, SPGs and other vehicles.
>failure of German's heavy tanks led to the main battle tanks of today
Heavies from other countries weren't any more usefull.
>>143385850
Didn't make that image senpai
>>143385855
The german command found the panzer 3s & 4s ineffective against the T-34 which is why they made the Tiger and Panther, dude.
T-34s are far more easily repaired and replaced than the panthers and tigers due to the huge supply of parts and the simplicity of the design and operation.
Because of their mass production, T-34s and Shermans see a huge variety of different chassis just like the panzer 3 & 4s do, but better.
Heavies weren't useful, that's right. The Germans' focus on heavy tanks meant they win 1v1 in a straight tank fight but they never get the 1v1s they want.
Which is why the MBT concept was invented to be a medium tank that is as fast as a light tank yet armoured enough to survive a shot or two. Heavy tanks are now extinct.
>>143386365
Dude, stop.
>>143386508
>image macros
lol
>>143384686
>>143384820
>>143384824
>>143385066
>>143385855
>>143386365
>>143386508
>you can't even be a wehraboo anymor without people flying into autistic WW2 discussions
>>143386644
Why can't you be a wehrboo just because people rattle off facts?
Nobody said german tanks absolutely sucked. The panther is a good tank if the nazis were actually winning.
It just sucked because they lost the air war, they get all their factories and mines bombed so they can't make as many as they wanted, and tank crews whose rides broke down in enemy territory often have to destroy their own tanks to avoid having them fall to the enemy (more an issue with the unreliable tiger II though).
It's just a question of quantity over quality.
>>143386824
See, posts like yours are why. I just wanted to post tanks, yet it immediately led to people starting long discussions
>>143386921
>mechs can fly, they said
>it's their advantage, they said
>>143386904
>build by slaves from poor materials
>still the most powerfull fighter fielded in WWII
Tanks go home.
>>143382615
people like things that look like them. drawing a face on an apple makes it look cute, and a human shaped robot is a more relatable hero than a tank.
>>143384686
Where does one learn such retarded shit...
Russians had one mayor advantige with their tanks which is numbers. It was around 1/10 if I recall correctly.
Their tanks were Stoneage Tech compared to the modern German tanks.
Panther was the best.
>>143381937
>Using Shitassmarken as evidence
Tanks in the ML verse are just there as buffers and last line defense. TSFs are more robust for killing BETA.
>>143387191
The t-34s were the best tanks of WW2 you idiot.
They were simple, but they were well designed.
>>143386987
>has to gain speed just to make a jump in the moment
>would be screwed if otherwise
>>143387260
>tfw Ivan still won't go to sleep
>>143387191
The fact that T-34s were so easily produced is the main part of their advantage you stupid fuck.
It's called being cost effective. The T-34 is dirt cheap to make, but it's fast and maneuverable, it works well enough (and was almost impenetrable by early WW2 guns), literal untrained peasants could crew it because the controls were so simple, could start up in cold russian winter and was airtight so it can go underwater.
A panther is a better tank in terms of 1v1 but tank battles are never 1v1. Panthers also break down far more easily than T-34s, and a working medium tank will always beat a broken down/stalling/poorly maintained heavy tank. Also, more tanks supporting infantry on a wide front = more ground taken faster and easier. A panther/tiger II puts all your eggs in one basket.
How can mechas or tanks even fucking think of competing with the war boxes?
>current year
>still watching mecha or tank anime
Pathetic
>>143381937
Is that from Shwartz And Marken?
Tanks vs mechs is just the /tg/ argument of fighter vs wizard.
Except that argument doesn't exist.
Sure we know that people clad in plate armor were bashing in each others' heads with war hammers and pole arms a few hundred years back. They were armored pragmatically and wielding weapons that were designed to do their job efficiently.
But wizards are fucking wizards. They don't just take the role of most devastating damage dealer, they tank hits like it's nothing too. They also are the best at stealth jobs and everything else besides.
Anyone who argues that mecha are ill-equipped for whatever role they are supposed to fill out on the battle field is missing the fucking point. They're mecha. If it helps you understand this better, when you see bipedal humanoid robot, just imagine it to be wearing a pointy hat.
Do you get it now?
>>143387260
>>143387576
http://chris-intel-corner.blogspot.nl/2012/07/wwii-myths-t-34-best-tank-of-war.html
Educate yourself.
>>143387696
>it's the "mechas have magic superscience, but tanks still use modern day tech" argument
Rule of cool
>>143387744
It's not an argument, it's a statement of fact.
Anime tanks are based on reality.
Anime mecha evidently are not.
Post as much smug as you want, you cannot change that.
>>143383151
Yeah. A scaled down tank probably has the equivalent of a pretty normal rifle. Being armored, it can probably take the marine's weapons
No dice
>>143387855
Gundam is 60 ft tall roughly 10x human height
Abrams has 120mm barrel 12 mm shrunken diameter
Bullet will be 50% larger than an AK47 round and have a huge difference in stopping power.
>>143386628
That's a capture from Fallout New Vegas you fucking mental incompetent
>>143387703
>a fucking blog
lol
T-34 being one of the most outstanding tanks of WW2 is a historical fact. It made the German High Command freak out. It is far more reliable than Panthers and Tigers in the Russian winter.
And most of the issues cherrypicked from your blog was fixed in real life.
>>143387191
>Panther was the best.
Panther was a hybrid of Tiger and T-34 and it still was not as good as T-34.
I guess we have Sovietboo in this thread.
>>143388652
But I said T-34 & the Sherman?
I focused on the T-34 because it showed a greater difference in design between Russia and Germany. Russia focused on making their tanks as simple as possible, to the detriment of quality. Germany focused on making each tank capable of killing many lesser quality tanks.
However, Russia can field far more T-34s than Germany can field enough quality tanks to stop. That's why the T-34 is one of the best tanks of WW2. It was cost effective, and its legacy was "macro > micro".
>>143381937
>Riding anything made entirely by humans whether tanks or mech
>Not riding OP logic defying ayy lmaos or at least using powers derived from them
Its like you want to be chomped.
>>143388932
>logic defying
That's not a sensible choice.
The only good tank is a tank that transforms into a mecha.
>>143383528
>everything just works for the sake of the experiment
No, no, no, no, NO. This is not how science fuckings works. This isn't even how analogies fucking work. You can't ignore facts because you want to win. You can't reframe reality until it's literally impossible for you to be wrong, because not only is that not how reality works it's not how a fucking debate or an experiment works.
>>143388957
Who cares if they are broken as fuck, making a huge robot armed to the teeth and shoving in an ayy lmao that eat nukes and humans for breakfast inside it is much easier than making any weapons capable of fighting them.
Pretty much all fiction have taught us that maddo scientists is the only solution to OP enemies.
>>143389085
>You can't ignore facts because you want to win
That's what most mecha shows do though
I cant tell if people here are being sarcastic or generally do not understand how cool giant robots are.
I blame girls und panzer.
>>143386987
That is simultaneously the most amusing and arousing thing I have ever seen.
>>143389160
A mech show isn't a discussion about the real-world utility and application of an armored suit of humanoid-mech weapon.
A fictional story telling an untrue, fictional story is allowed to tell things that are untrue and/or fictional, or ignore facts about reality to tell it's story.
Someone trying to argue the verisimilitude of a story based on real-world physics while attempting to argue with a real-world analogue cannot.
>>143385557
>>143385536
Anime about cancer exoskeleton when?
>>143384478
when will the armata get this damn turret. The current one its so damn ugly.
>>143388507
No, the most outstanding tank of WWII was the Sherman. Whenever they were availiable, people wanted them. The Krauts, the Slavs, the Brits, everybody wanted the Sherman. The reason being that it was reliable, comfortable, and just as powerful as any other tank in the war. Better in some cases.
>>143389274
Maybe they just didn't grow up with Patlabor and dream of delivering justice on evildoers with a huge baton.
>>143389274
You know how back before Superhero movies became huge, normals always shat on about how stupid Superheros outside the big three (Supes/Bats/Spidy) were for the most part?
Now they all dickride any Superhero and act like they always liked them?
We're currently in a phase with that involving Giant Robots, because the biggest and most well known product for Normies that involves giant robots is the Transformers franchise.
And thus all giant robots = Michael Bays Transformers to normal's
![[HorribleSubs] Active Raid - 06 [720p].mkv_snapshot_20.08_[2016.02.11_21.22.12].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/1RpQaOw.jpg "[HorribleSubs] Active Raid - 06 [720p].mkv_snapshot_20.08_[2016.02.11_21.22.12].jpg")
Giants robots beating the shit out of each another is too cool to pass up.
>>143385389
>giant robots
>cool
When will this meme die?
>>143389729
When you people who hate it die
