What is the reasoning of people who don't like Monogatari and Zetsubou Sensei?
>>143123777
>Monogatari
I just can't get past all of the sisters/snail/snake fanservice. it makes it impossible for me to take the show seriously. that being said I absolutely loved bake and neko was aight too
They keep their heads on straight
>>143123777
Please don't compare zetsubou sensei to that hot pile of shit.
>>143123777
>Comparing pornogatari with SZS
>>143123916
Please don't compare Monogatari to that hot pile of shit.
>>143123777
>WORDSWORDSWORDSWORDS
>fanservice
>reddit boogeyman
That's pretty much it.
>>143123962
>pornogatari
>>143123777
Monogatari is fucking trash
>>143123777
I'm not sure I'd even like monogatari if it weren't for the art and music. But god damn, that art and music bumps it up to my top 10.
>>143123853
watch the second season desu
you can skip the middle parts but there is a top 5 arc caleld Hitagi End thats amazing
>>143123777
>Monogatari
If you get into it because people post the girls and you think they're hot, and you get the SHAFT direction and art as a nice bonus, you love it.
If you get into it because people praised the characters and writing and SHAFT direction, the fanservice will choke you out. It seems like a standard 'somewhat loser dude meets a bunch of hot chicks that the camera LOVES and solves their problems, and they love him for it', but somehow it appeals to the fags who claim to be above that and just in it for the split-second Japanese puns and incredible character development and amazing artsy direction.
It's the Redditest anime: softcore porn packaged in a way that lets people feel superior about watching it.
>SZS
Semi-obscure Japanese references (the manga is superior, if only because the scanlators put in notes for what the hell is being referenced), OVERDRAMATIC DIRECTION for somewhat minor scenes, creepy as hell shit (some of it sexual) out of fucking nowhere (and all the characters act like it's not there or perfectly normal), and a sadboy MC who constantly screams about how he's in despair and tries suicide apparently for attention.
It's also pretty damn random, as if it's trying to be a 4koma comedy, but with jokes written by an insanely depressed cynical Japanese man about what he hates most in his country.I still enjoy it.
>>143124117
>i-it gets better, I swear!
If I can barely force myself through the first few episodes, am I going to stick around for that?
>>143124118
SZS also has one of the best anime soundtracks of all time.
>>143123777
I do like both but I despise the monogatari fanbase. Most of all the people who don't know how to use capital letters and punctuation.
>>143124188
First one was someone else. Didn't mean to take you on a ruse cruise.
I really want to try some of the later arcs, because I've heard they're good, but I've tried to start the show multiple times and just can't.
>>143124278
theres an arc where they go through time and accidentally end the world as we know it turning everyone into vampire-zombies
>>143123777
>animated by Shaft
No thanks
>>143124344
No Pani Poni Dash for you either, then?
>>143123777
Monogatari is a character driven show and I don't like any of the characters. I will admit that "that" episode of Nisemongatari is a masterpiece though, and I wish the rest of the series were on that level.
Sayonara Zetsubou-sensei is great, but I've only seen the first season.
>>143124468
>I will admit that "that" episode of Nisemongatari is a masterpiece though, and I wish the rest of the series were on that level.
which one?
>>143124512
Toothbrushing one. I think episode 8?
There are later arcs where they dial down the fanservice and focus more on plot or character interactions. People like it for different reasons, but if you don't like it then that's that. What I don't really get why people itt are calling it Reddit: The Anime. Can anyone tell me what they think makes the show seem that way to them?
>>143124548
lewd
>>143124724
Yeah and it's fucking great. The tension in that scene is outrageously thick, and it's sexy and bizarre at the same time. It's what I expected/wanted from the series in the first place and while there are a few good scenes in Bake it never delivers on that level until that episode. In my opinion, of course.
>>143123777
I haven't watched Monogatari because there are too many episodes. Still fapped to the vampire's doujins, though.
>>143124642
>don't really get why people itt are calling it Reddit: The Anime
Because it's a show that has the fanservice and basic plot (loserish guy meets up with a bunch of chicks with crazy supernatural powers and solves their problems, and they love him for it) of, say, an SAO or any one of another basic harem/waifu shows, but fags can claim they watch it for the deep character arcs and artsy direction and act superior about it.
Basically, being low-tier /a/ waifu hunting memefags, but being smugly superior about it and cloaking it in pseudo-intellectual posingly ironic analysis condescending walls of text, which is the essence of reddit.There's also the fact that /r/anime circlejerks it to death, and any and all slightly critical comments about it get downvoted to autohide hell
>>143124804
the best parts for me were hitagi being excruciating to koyomi, the dialog was great
>>143123853
So this scene was okay then?
>>143124863
>Loserish guy
He's ripped, smart, and has a family that loves him.
>>143124863
>calls it Reddit: The Anime because he doesn't like it
>is a redditor
>>143124938
are people who call others redditfags just reddit themselves and trying to hide it?
>>143124877
I think my second favourite scene would be her cockteasing Araragi in the back of the car, some episode towards the end of Bake I think.
>>143124970
>mfw
>>143123777
>people don't like Monogatari
Newfag fell for it.
>>143124970
That scene was over the line. There's bantz and then there's springing weird-ass exhibitionist shit with your dad on your boyfriend.
>>143124938
>calls it Reddit: The anime because he doesn't like it
Nah, I'm calling it that because I think it's accurate. If I'm just calling a show shit, I can be more inventive than just invoking the resident boogeyman.
>is a redditor
Was. I'd like to think I'm recovering. Probably wishful thinking.
Besides, you can't hope to accurately call something reddit if you don't know what reddit is. Not like that stops anyone.
>>143123777
>people who don't like Monogatari and Zetsubou Sensei
no such person exist
they're only tsundere
>>143125207
I don't like Zetsubou but only got 6 or so episodes in. What is its purpose?
>>143125207
Or maybe just tsun-dra
>>143125097
Maybe I'm in the minority here but I'd have enjoyed the show a lot more if it was more overtly sexual in that way. I thought the show was way too safe, needed to take it much closer to "too far"
![[OZC]Planetes E07 'Extraterrestrial Girl'.mkv_001177762.jpg](https://i.imgur.com/6g9SdGA.jpg "[OZC]Planetes E07 'Extraterrestrial Girl'.mkv_001177762.jpg")
>>143125265
those moments wouldnt be memorable if they did that then
if you want straight ecchi watch an ecchi show
>>143124863
>loserish guy meets up with a bunch of chicks with crazy supernatural powers and solves their problems, and they love him for it
Of course the plot is basic when you strip any detail or nuance away from it you cretin. You can do that about anything. It's not even a correct simplification.
If anything, you are just being a contrarian faggot. There is plenty of artsy direction and the dialogue-heavy nature of the show does indeed make it character-driven.
>>143125248
but you do like it
you wouldn't be existing if you didn't
Shaft
>>143123777
I like monogatari but i am not too sold on SZS
I think SZS is okay, but some of its jokes run on for too long and get stale and some of its 'social commentary' also runs on for too long, it just doesn't seem to know when to stop. It's not a bad anime or anything though, i enjoyed it overall, i just don't think it's nearly as great as i've seen people praise it as.
>>143125554
It seems like Japanese South Park lite. If you get the cultural references and puns, it's probably a lot better. I say probably because I don't get them either. The dicking around with different styles episode during Zoku was cool as fuck though.
>>143125248
It's a metric fuckton of satire about every little thing about Japanese society and countless oblique references 90% of non-Japanese won't get. It's a lot more enjoyable when you're familiar with what it's about.
>>143125508
Lmao
>>143124878
it takes a special kind of faggit to not like 忍
>>143125620
I mean I've watched shows like this and got most of the references but this one seemed to just throw them non-stop at the viewer until overload like gatari does sometimes.
>>143123777
You literally just mentioned one show. Zettsubou senshit is boringatari in disguise. I can even bet my aas the seiyu of the MC is Araragi's
>>143123916
>>143123967
>Please not compare x to x
>These niggas can't see it's the same shit
Wew lads
>>143125739
>>143125723
Shit bait
Feel free to stop posting anytime.
>>143125385
>of course the plot is basic when you strip any detail or nuance away from it
And a pig is still a pig, no matter how much lipstick you put on it. If your basic plot is shit, no matter how gloriously you direct it, nor how well you dress it up, it will still be shit.
I may have an incorrect simplification of the basics, though. Care to give a better one?
>dialogue-heavy nature of the show makes it character driven
That's like saying a dynamic animation style and bombastic visual effects make something an action show. The presentation of characters via their dialogue doesn't make the characters themselves any more driving.
I can't help but agree that it is a character-driven show. The characters are the plot, in the starkest manner possible. Too bad they and their psychology don't appeal to me.
>just being a contrarian faggot
Can't help it if my opinions aren't held by a lot of other people, but that doesn't mean I chose to dislike it because of their opinions.
>>143125823
You gave me (you)'s so I think I have the high ground, Anakin
>>143125723
>>143125739
>it's the same shit
Not sure what you're smoking, but it's probably cock.
>>143125886
I don't know what you guys smoke in order to endure a single chapter of Boringatari Sensei, let alone a season
>>143125922
I'm in the opposite boat. Monogatari is an in-depth exploration of characters that aren't worth that level of inspection. SZS features a bunch of comparatively shallow gimmick characters in a bunch of zany sketch comedy pieces, where some of them are basically MST3King the shit out of the rest.
>smoke in order to endure
Maybe I'll give Monogatari one last chance, on acid.
szs would be better if it skipped the despair/jap only jokes that arent actually jokes, just "neat" things for those few who understand moon
>>143123777
>What is the reasoning of people who don't like Monogatari and Zetsubou Sensei?
People who don't like it have shit taste and the dialogue is too much for them
>>143123777
I've had some long conversations with people about why they just can't watch SHAFT.
One that came up was that with shows like Sketch, SZS and Monogatari made them feel nauseous because of all the fast cuts and close ups. Apparently they couldn't stomach it because it made the show feel like it had no sense of space, and the characters were just 2D cutouts floating in front of a background.
I liked Bakemonogatari but eventually dropped the series in S2. I really don't like harems or fanservice but at first it was charming and novel enough for me to look past that. I'll probably pick it up again at some point, eventually it was just hurting me to watch a qt boy mess around with so many girls.
I loved the SZS manga for about 10 volumes, for a while it was one of the funniest series I've ever read. I don't dislike it at all, but it's obvious Kumeta started running out of ideas after a while and it dragged a bit. I didn't like the harem elements either, but luckily they weren't too overt until the end.
>>143126145
>People get nauseous from a tv show
kek
>>143126209
>3d image
Thanks for proving my point that people who don't like it have shit taste
>>143125991
>he doesn't watch Monogatari on acid
>>143126245
>Thanks for proving my point
>getting triggered over a 3d image
>>143126012
You do realize that their entire target audience natively speaks moon, right?
>>143123777
No one actually likes Monogatari, it's all just a giant meme, the thing is so fucking pointless and boring that my brain cannot accept any other explanation being true. Trying to watch it was like time was moving 5 times slower. I've watched a lot of trash, but few things come close to trying to sit through Bakemonogatari. It was like a fucking fun vacuum.
>>143127757
>I didn't understand - the post
>>143127757
You're just an idiot.
>>143125991
>Maybe I'll give Monogatari one last chance, on acid.
Nadeko Medusa and Shinobu Time were amazing.
>>143124118
>the manga is superior because of something that isn't even in the manga
Guess I'll just throw these away.
Anyway, I don't agree that the manga is better, at least, if we just compare the parts that have actually been adapted. The manga has many of the same jokes and references, of course, but for the most part it is pretty ugly and entirely lacks the interesting style that makes the anime more than a collection of gags. I don't think I would have liked the manga nearly as much had I not seen the anime first.
SZS isn't very funny
>>143123853
why are summerfags so transparent
They are both the gesticulations of a hormone-driven and wannabe-artist teenage director trying to milk the lowest of modern society, the beta otaku, who seek in his autistic dialogues and travellings a sense of superiority that allows them to cope with their failed lives. All that while getting to see some cartoon loli underpants as a bonus. That's why they are not liked by normal anime-fans.
>>143123777
Monogatari series has a great pacing in its dialogue and an interesting visual style. All the extra shit is whatever but nail those two things and you can make me watch anything.
>>143128904
The manga isn't ugly at all, Kumeta has a great minimalistic art style and some nice paneling.
>>143129481
It's not like it's actively ugly, it's just not very interesting to look at, especially early on. I think the anime is vastly more visually engaging.
I liked SZS more. It was a comedy, alright, but it was also a social commentary.
Monogatari is Tarantino turned anime.
>Great direction and art
>People sitting around talking about random stuff
>Feet
>Plebs hate it
It's amazing, regardless of the fanservice.
>>143129668
>Monogatari is Tarantino turned anime.
No. That would be gintama
>>143123777
>Monogatari
good taste
>Zetsubou Sensei
bad taste
>>143123777
I had to drop SZS somewhere around S2/S3 because it just wasn't funny enough. It had everything else done great, and it even had a few moments that really cracked me up, but at the end of the day it just wasn't doing it for me.Joshiraku was a million times better, though I have no idea how or why.
>>143130879
>Joshiraku was better
Because girls were cute and there weren't harem elements I'm guessing your reasoning
I don't really understand the comparison. If SZS wasn't made by Shaft no one would even try to compare it to Monogatari.
>>143123777
>muh substance over style
>muh too much talking
>muh Japs aren't funny
Apparently, it just doesn't do what they want it to do in the way they want it to do it
>>143123916
this, haremonogatari is cancer.
>>143123777
>Sensei - smart social satire with some sentimental injection
>Monshitgatari - fat otaku pandering harem merry-go-around style
Inb4 he already have a girlfriend is not harem, denialfaggots, apply yourself.
>>143123777
shit taste
>>143132118
Sensei is a harem though.
>>143132202
and monogatari have shounen battles, is it a shounen battle show?
>>143132202
There is a few chapters making fun on the whole harem thing, so still parody in the worst case.
>>143123777
I watced SZS and dropped it within few episodes.I don't hate it.I just don't find it funny.Maybe as many here says I am just ot japanese enough.
Monogatari might have been just like SZS to me but what I cannot stand is its fanbase who thinks enjoying SZS packaged as a softcore porno somehow makes them elite edgy classy men when in reality most just watched it for the girls.Although I watched monogatari I only watched it for the girls and classifying it as 'deep edgy psychological cartoon like none other' is what I hate about it even though I agree I enjoyed and fapped to lewd scenes.
>>143132373
>t. I try to distance myself from the reddit and MAL masses, but I like it, though I am nothing like them
have a fedora tip.
No pornographic enough.
This is the only reason not to like it.
>>143132280
This, mostly.
>>143132245
If you consider Monogatari harem then there's literally zero reason to not consider Sensei, as it's even self aware of being one itself.
Why do Monogatari "discussion" always end up as shit flinging contests?
>>143132588
Because the fanbase is borderline retarded.
>>143132558
I have to interject here. SZS focus is the comedy, Monogatari focus lies in the girls. Replace SZS with boys and it might even be more popular with its fujo power.
Replace Monogatari with boys and everyone would drop it, no more million dollar PVC crab figure industry.
>>143132588
When you consider it is the the only acceptable harem show besides SAO for the normalfags because of muh deep philosophy, is easy to hate on the fanbase and hence you also hate the show.
>>143132669
Well, I guess your point of the series focus is a valid one. Still, you might argue that average person watches SZS for the girls, there's even been a post about it before in this very thread, and the primary focus doesn't change the series being harem. Bit like the poster below you claims SAO to be "acceptable" harem show, even if the focus of SAO is Gary Stu hitting people with sword, rather than supporting cast.
>>143132588
It's /a/
>>143132635
Previously I would have agreed with this, but even looking at this thread most of the actual shit flinging has been done by the opposing party, trying to piss on both the series and the fanbase. Monogatari is like a bait for shitposters that arrive in hordes and start throwing mal and reddit redirections and complain about "muh deepness" even if no one has brought up the buzzword in question.
Make no mistake, I'm not saying the fanbase is good. Threads are ultimately just waifu warfare and unless there's someone to shitpost against the series as a whole, fans fling shit at each other in some sort of thinly veiled furry showdown.
I read the Monogatari books and it's mostly just good puns and romance. I get why people like the show but does the fan base really understand the more nuanced jokes? I'm assuming most people who watch it aren't actually fluent in Japanese and there's a lot of stuff that would fly over a non-native's head.
It's not for me, but I appreciate it. I've seen some people in the past mention philosophical themes as well. There really aren't any in the books, but my useless MA is in philosophy so I might be operating under a more academic definition.
![[BTN] Sayonara Zetsubou Sensei - 02 (1280x720 h264 BD FLAC) [549B0E9E].mkv_snapshot_03.55_[2016.06.14_04.13.11].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/VmvdZD7.jpg "[BTN] Sayonara Zetsubou Sensei - 02 (1280x720 h264 BD FLAC) [549B0E9E].mkv_snapshot_03.55_[2016.06.14_04.13.11].jpg")
>>143123777
I could never get into Gatari, but SZS is great.
>>143123777
I wouldn't say SZS is far too much complicated Jap shit. The concepts they're presenting aren't really that foreign, generally. It's just that the examples are really specific and Jap. If you can ignore the examples, or have enough background, you'll be fine.
I like Monogatari because it gives you the feeling that the author is just fucking around. I haven't watched any (other) harem anime, but the way Monogatari handles the typical conventions and characters of that genre makes it pretty fun to watch. Sometimes you just get straight-up fanservice, but there's also the self-ironic "meta" stuff and supernatural elements. I can see why some people may call it pretentious for that, but it just feels like a good mix to me.
>>143123777
Monogatari is hentai disguised as a shitty anime. The story is trash and takes itself way too seriously. Weebs only watch monogatari because they can't get a real girl so settle for freaky monster girls.
>>143135117
>Sometimes you just get straight-up fanservice
Bruh the entire show is fan service, text and dialogue. What show are you watching?
>>143124548
The toothbrushing scene though is nothing spectacular, Karen's fight and dialogue with Koyomi in the previous episode has more going on.
A straight forward innuendo that goes on longer than it should to fill out time
>>143135344
>summerfags
So deep, very sophisticated
>>143135479
But you see that's wrong. Paying attention to the train-wreck of a story doesn't enhance any sort of senses while watching. You're simply watching monogatari for the fan-service. The fan-service alone is what makes it fun. Other than that the show is awful.
>>143135498
>Was I?
But what does it mean?
>>143135498
Oftentimes it's hamfisted and sometimes crude enough to feel ironic. There'll be long winded monologues going on with someone's ass in your face
>>143135479
You look at all of the monogatari threads posted on /a/ within the last 48 hours roughly 90% of them focus on the girls rather than how "entertaining" the series is. The fact that the series survives on fan-service than the story is what makes people want to watch it. Please, please, try to prove me wrong.
>>143135498
did she pooope blood?
>>143135292
The entire show is fanservice, but it's also self-aware fanservice. Not that that's objectively better in any kind of way, it's just more interesting.
>>143123777
I thought SZS was good, but not as amazing as people make it out to be, might it be cause i only saw the first season?
I prefer Joshiraku, i think.
>>143135668
Self-aware? how? what episode breaks the fourth wall and acknowledges that too much fan -service is being done. If you're even referring to the cut scenes with the text on them then I wouldn't count that. Also I like that you're replying with knowledge and and babbling on about a bunch of shit.
>>143135731
>If you're even referring to the cut scenes with the text on them then I wouldn't count that
why
SZS is one of my favorite anime and I hate Monogatari, what now?
>>143135757
very weird indeed
>>143135731
Many of the cuts don't go out of their way to look attractive or look slightly grotesque. Need an eye for Japanese aesthetics and not see it at face value "someone's naked it must be fan service"
>>143135617
Look at any other series with large female cast and tell that /a/ threads aren't just fanwank over the girls. Also why cannot girls be "entertaining"? Also why does the series sell so well? If by your logic fanservice makes it sell, then why doesn't every other fanseries heavy series sell as much if the components making the sales are pretty much identical?
Why are you so hell bent on proving that the series is bad? I'm not saying it's a good series, but the way you autistically attack against things you don't like make it seem Monogatari murdered your entire family. Next you're probably going to say the fanbase is bad, which isn't even critique towards the show.
People who don't like Monogatari and Zetsubou Sensei are usually of one of the following kinds
>hates it because the conversations are too long
Any other anime than these two and I would call you a massive faggot with ADHD, but I will admit that one of the niches of both these series is their vast characterizations through conversations, and intense wordplays. This is a pretty valid excuse that these two series just aren't for you
>too much fanservice
the person watching this if a massive faggot and/or prude and prefers anime with buff men touching swords
>doesn't like the artstyle
The person watching is a contrarian faggot who couldn't find anything else to complain about
>>143135856
There is a huge amount of reasons why a person wouldn't like the series, but I agree that your strange ad hominem post written trough defense force goggles is entertaining at least. I especially like the part where you gloss over disliking fanservice or artstyle as they weren't totally subjective factors in enjoyment as "lol faggots amirite". What if I dislike fantasy as a genre, and the over-the-top directing style isn't for me?
These fucking threads I swear.
>>143135731
>Also I like that you're replying with knowledge and and babbling on about a bunch of shit
>>143135731
I don't know if there's any scene where the fanservice is obviously referred to, but the fourth wall is broken pretty often (i.e. Mayoi saying that the characters are in an anime), which makes the show as a whole feel self-aware (and therefore the fanservice, to some extent).
>>143135836
>Need an eye for Japanese aesthetics
That's why the Monogatari fanbase is cancer.
>>143135417
I know moot gets posted as a word of god, but look at it this way: what if he was just fucking with us? By saying "that much" he basically announces that there's in fact a increase.
>>143135991
Why the fuck would someone who hates fanservice ever review anything with fanservice in or ask other people how they can think something with fanservice in is is good?
They're biased prude faggots from the get go, we're better off ignoring them and they're better off just not posting
Just as sure as we know what they're gonna say, we not gonna give a fuck
>>143136158
You literally shouldn't have an opinion on anime without Japanese knowledge because it is impossible to have a fundamental understanding of what you are experiencing.
>>143136304
I know moon. I would say it's one of the reasons why I enjoy Monogatari. But the fanservice in the show has literally nothing to do with "japanese aesthetics". It's just fanservice.
>>143136167
I get what you're saying, but then again there's the fact nudity and for example excessive gore are the core blocks of shit teenager anime. Just look at Elfen Lied or some other if you must. It's pretty much a fact deliberate nudity makes a series seem cheap and panders to a child audience.
Now, it's clear Monogatari is fanservice heavy series and it has no intention of being otherwise, I get what you mean. Why do I watch it if I dislike fanservice? Because I like other aspects of the series, and I don't understand why I should praise all the aspects equally when some of them are clearly geared towards target audience I don't represent. Why does this make me a faggot?
I also like the fact you pretty much ignored multiple aspects of the post for a semi-intelligible pro-fanservice rant.
>>143136368
I disagree. Not sure how many would say this appealing
I can't understand why /a/ gobbles up this LOLSORANDUM shit like SZS, Nichijou, Paniponi, Cromartie, Kill me baby etc.
>>143135757
You should probably get in discord.
>>143136373
Fair enough.
I'll apologize a bit for my passive-aggressiveness, my arm's in a cast and the pain and typing in general is making me a bit cranky.
Let me rephrase.
I think disliking the artstyle is a very bad excuse. Especially disliking an anime for having a unique artstyle. I can buy that a bad budget can drag down an anime a lot, but I've also seen plenty of anime series that had terrible art direction but had good enough story or humor to make them great (shiki and konosuba comes to mind). Simply put, if you refuse to watch Monogatari or Zetsobou Sensei because of the artstyle, you're a pleb. If you don't like it, that's your opinion and it's fine. If you think it's a good reason to not watch it, you're an idiot.
>>143136637
>SZS, Cromartie
Actually good
>paniponi
I like it, but it is pretty mediocre.
>Nichijou
Okay
>Kill me baby
Fucking shit
>>143136843
I guess I can agree with those points.
Monogatari is what happens when you hit the jackpot with the thing that you're supposed to be laughing at, throwing a lot of money into animating with an style minutely crafted to cut corners. It's just a clusterfuck, Shinbo has lost control of himself long ago.
The first two seasons of SZS are lovely though. Perfect balance.
>>143135711
Zoku is the best shit SHAFT has ever produced, a lot of experimentation with form mixed with sincere love for the original work.
>>143137306
>Monogatari is what happens when you hit the jackpot with the thing that you're supposed to be laughing at, throwing a lot of money into animating with an style minutely crafted to cut corners. It's just a clusterfuck, Shinbo has lost control of himself long ago.
i have no idea how you got this feeling at all.
>>143123777
Monogatari? You mean plotless, fanservice the anime, starring pathetic characters?
>>143137637
>plotless
what has happened to this place?
I like monogatari because of the comfy supernatural stories
But I just watched S1 so idk much
>>143137737
It's just attempts at constructing criticism by removing words out of their usual context. The word of choice used by every armchair critic used to be still "pacing" just a few years ago.
>>143138043
>comfy supernatural stories
What does "comfy" even mean anymore?
>>143138218
don't forget >character development
>>143138244
>bakemonogatari
>not comy
yo what?
>>143138244
It means whatever you want
>>143138244
Calm and relaxing stories that make you feel good.
Did this happen yet?
>>143140163
i can't recall this shot, is it from zoku?
SZS is great. Monogatari is meh, I only watch for Bat.
I don't watch meme animes.
>>143135479
Kill yourself.
>>143140163
20 days left
Check the daily countdown thread to be sure
Or use this
http://galax.moe/szs/
>>143138334
How can an action heavy series that's just too fast dialog and tits on your face most of the time be described as "comfy"? This meme has been taken too far.
>>143141327
>bakemonogatari
>action heavy
you fucking what?
also, Tatami Galaxy has incredibly fast paced dialogue, but it's still one of the most comfy series of all time, same could be said about Katanagatari.
>>143136508
Are you gay?
>>143141396
You mean monologue with TTG.
>Monogatari good
Nah.
>>143141396
Tatami Galaxy is borderline depression fuel, I don't know what kind of mindset you watched the series to get that outcome.
>>143123777
I love SZS but I don't think it translated very well to anime. The manga uses the medium to it's advantage, with tons of panels and lists that you can read at your own peace. In the anime you have to pause it to read a lot of it since the big lists are just there for a few seconds and then disapear.
There's also that bullshit they did in the third season where they split three episodes into three. That was just retarded.
>>143123777
ADHD
>>143141396
>Katanagatari
>A series about ninjas fighting to melancholic outcome
>"Comfy"
Can we just agree this word stopped meaning anything?
Not wanting to read subs at light speed, and not feeling familiar enough with Japanese culture to fully understand the references are both legitimate reasons not to like Zetsubou Sensei and Monogatari, but since this is /a/ and no one wants to admit they're out of the loop, or not perfectly fluent in Japanese, everyone will come up with some vauge bullshit buzzword answers like, "It's pretentious" or "too much fanservice". I did't watch Monogatari for years because of the stupid DEEP meme, then I saw it and realized /a/ is full of idiots who barely watched the shows they talk about.
>>143141710
>melancholy
>not comfy
what is going ooooooooooooooooooooon
>>143142087
The ending of Katanagatari wasn't comfy kind of melancholy, anon. And it usually isn't. You're just biased because word "melancholic" sounds nice.
>reddit reddit reddit reddit reddit reddit reddit reddit reddit reddit reddit reddit reddit reddit reddit reddit reddit reddit reddit reddit reddit reddit reddit reddit reddit reddit reddit reddit
That's their argument.
>>143123777
It's commonly known as "shit taste".
>>143142134
>complete revenge and new adventure with new girl
dude come on.
>>143142465
I don't think you understood what the story was telling you about the main character, anon.
>>143141396
>katanagatari
>comfy
It was basically one giant "fuck you".
Shitloads of characters died for absolutely no reason, nothing was achieved, the end.
Fuck you.
>>143140617
>http://galax.moe/szs/
I wonder what will happen
>>143142803
>cannot into aesthetic comfyness and storytelling
>>143140617
Awesome.
>>143143017
We will all laugh.
>>143143197
Now you're just trying to add more buzzwords to back an opinion no one else shares.
>>143143732
you got me
The best thing about SZS is that it doesn't have any sacred cows and will make fun of anything and everything.
Nothing is off limits
I enjoyed the couple of episodes of SZS I saw.
Tried watching Monogatari and couldn't get interested in the first episode. That about sums it up.
>>143123777
Nearly dropped Bakemonogatari halfway through the first episode. I mean, the very first thing the show throws at your face is a character's panties. I'm usually not one to really be bothered by ecchi anime, but that's just unnecessary and plain stupid. Plus, the first half of the episode wasn't really catching my attention.
But with the revelation of 'Hitagi Crab', I was amazed. I don't speak jap, so I didn't know about the word trickery, and that was the first twist of it's kind I had experienced. Plus the artstyle and the terrific music fabricated an incredible atmosphere.
Kept on watching after that, and it was the same going forward: Often slow beginning to an arc, sometimes a little too boring, overbearing ecchines in some scenes. But also some of the best arcs in anime, in my opinion at least. Plus, as already mentioned, crazy good atmosphere due to artstyle and superb soundtrack.
Nadeko Snake was good, so was Monkey.
The entire second season was incredibly good, only Tsubasa Tiger was a little slow, but that might just be because I didn't like 'normal' Hanekawa.
Owarimonogatari was also genius, all of it.
>>143148038
>that's just unnecessary and plain stupid
The panty shot was technically an important event in the story, but it wasn't necessary to be thrown in bake. Many arcs left relevant story gaps to be shown later, but only bake had an actual preview of another arc.
At least it set people's expectations for the fanservice that would follow.
>>143148038
>didn't like 'normal' Hanekawa
Well beyond the point that both sides are pretty much her and there were reasons why Araragi likes her, she is just the straightforward type. She cuts to the chase and is succinct with her info.
It's why Tsubasa Tiger was one of, if not the most popular novel of the series, it changed the formula to have her as the narrator, because she was fun but got to the point.
They even make a meta joke of it in the novel for Kabuki.
Other than that her personality itself doesn't change much after her character arc, she just embraces her anger more now, as seen with Hanekawa vs. Ougi.
>>143124161
that kanji font is fucking great.
>>143129668
> Competent genre piece that's held up as the pinnacle of the medium
> Tons of dialogue with no point other than to sound clever
> Not actually ironic/subversive despite what people say
> MOST INSUFFERABLE FANBASE FUCKING IMAGINABLE
It's clearly Joss Whedon turned anime.
>>143129576
There's some good stuff in there.
>>143152210
her face right there is the face of a murderer. I love it
>>143149790
At least for me she's better the way she is after Tsubasa Tiger, just seems more natural.
>>143152011
Woah there, Farscape and Buffy were fucking masterpieces.
Don't compare Monogatari to old Whedon, only new.
>>143124878
>when you feel like a pedophile but then you remember that she's actually 400 years old and it's okay
The only reason I could fathom someone not liking Monogatari is either they're contrarians or it's 2deep4u. Anyone saying otherwise probably is veiling one of these reasons
>>143154262
Stop pretending it's deep faggot.
>>143154005
She's 598. Get it right.
>>143155069
Stop pretending it's not you cunt
When are kizu subs?
The weight is killing me
>>143154262
> using "2deep4u" seriously
>>143155702
BDs come out July 27. Give it a few extra days for rips to appear and subgroups to do their thing.
>>143156969
Are they going to screen Part 2 in the US like they did with Part 1?
>>143157195
Probably- theaters sold way more tickets than they anticipated- but no official word yet.
