New chapter! Unfortunately, no cool action this time. But we do get some neat Musashis and a couple ebic Tokugawas. I do wonder what Doppo and Tokugawa think about the whole "blade vs fang" thing.
http://www.yuncomics.com/archives/1706713
Stay tuned, I'll probably TL this in 5 days when the actual raws are out.
>>143098891
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Ooh, a Doppo with fish lips. Neat.
>>143098918
Ugh, spoilsport. That thread's old and busted anyway, so I'm gonna keep using this one.
Doppo's been copying Baki's expressions lately, and I don't like it. It's creepy.
Glorious Nip-On steel, and all that.
Unfortunately not a reference to the big elephant from SoO.
fuckin, why can't musashi do shit like a normal person
I know this is a hypothetical that they're imagining, but still
He's using an actual sword in his right hand, but just swinging his left arm. Why does he need the actual sword again? Nostalgia?
>hurr durr well he can beat modern animals, no shit
>but what if we go back to the cretaceous era?
>the pinnacle of creatures of that time, the T-Rex
completely made-up text, but a 60% chance that I'm dead-on.
We're being given the measurements of the T-Rex; I can make that out from the furigana. Dunno why, though. He's just repeating the fact that the T-Rex was big af, etc.
Comparing the difficulties of the opponents. "Bows and katana and spears, and he stopped them all"
Something like that.
Aaand Tokugawa and Doppo re-enact the same joke that Baki and Doppo made like 3 chapters ago; they both say the same thing at the same time.
>>143099695
What a boring chapter.
Why can't we just have people biting each others faces off all the time?????
>>143099868
That was last chapter. I can wait another week if we get more of *this*, but not if we get more obvious comparisons.
I've been re-reading all of Baki recently (minus the missing chapters from the first series), and I'm really not sure what to think of the author anymore.
I really like some of the characters, and I also think his art style is moving in a great direction. I would love to see this developed further. I don't mind that it's just a silly over-the-top fighting manga with jerking off to muscular dudes. But man, oh man, I really can't stand his story telling anymore.
Endless exposition about the characters actions and thoughts (guy gets hit by a punch - ten pages of a scientist explaining the impact of a car crash at 60mph on a human body; another guy faces tough opponent, 2 chapters cavement instinct/fight-or-flight explanation and comparing opponent to some prehistoric beast) again and again.
And each fight is some variation of "not a real fight", "next time it will be a real match", "you defeated me in this play-tournament, but in a life-or-death situation I would have been victorious".
There are potentially very interesting things you can do with these elements, but it seems he's just stuck in these uninteresting, mediocre repetitions of the same few themes again and again. Especially doing it over and over is what makes them uninteresting.
There's got to be a way this can be done better, right?
>>143100128
>And each fight is some variation of "not a real fight", "next time it will be a real match", "you defeated me in this play-tournament, but in a life-or-death situation I would have been victorious".
This probably holds true more for Dou than any other series, we had tons of "real" fights in the previous series.
>>143100305
Yeah, the only other time this was used all that much was in the Ali Jr arc
>>143098891
What the fuck is this chapter it's literally "fang or sword" with no answer.
>>143100128
The #1 problem is the Wild Fang scans. Shibukawa and Doppo don't refer to what they're doing as a "real fight" in the Ali Jr arc, nor does really anybody else. They use other terms that are decidedly *not* a "real fight", but as close as you can get to it. A duel, a battle, whatever. It's only really in Dou that we've started seeing the word 'jissen' - literally, "real fighting" - being used, and that's caused problems with the earlier translations, as nobody knew that Itagaki was actually going somewhere with it.
The raws unfortunately inherently make more sense than any translation, because the Japanese allows for ambiguity and specific nuances that English doesn't allow. Ultimately, we occasionally end up writing scripts for chapters that are almost identical to prior scripts simply because there's no two ways to say something in English. A simple example of what I mean shows up in 113: Baki says something to the effect of "It's not that he's refusing to eat, it's that he's not eating". That makes absolutely no sense in a direct translation, so it gets shifted over one level to a more comprehensible English equivalent; maybe something like "he's choosing not to eat *this*", which works in context. With the 'real fights' stuff, it's sometimes two or three levels of shifting, and hence more abuse of language.
>>143102957
How about "it's not that he's not hungry"? That's what you mean, right?
>>143103064
No, he's literally choosing not to eat because he *presumably* wants to eat Musashi.
>kuenai ja nai.
>kuwanai.
>kuitai no wa esa ja nai.
>gochisou nanda.
The second pair of lines are even worse to translate, as it's something like
>he doesn't want to eat food
>he wants a feast
So I'd have to affix "normal" to the word 'food' there or something similar that technically changes the meaning of the statement, but is the only way to properly convey the meaning in English
>>143102957
It's funny because WFP says that you are doing the bad translation. Unless they straight up are trolling us.
One thing that has always creeped me out while reading Bakiis the topic of friendship. Here we have a group of overstrong guys who rip their opponent's teeth off, break their arms, takes an eye out, pummels to shit....yet I have never really seen someone (besides Jack) acting begrudginly towards other after a fight, they always keep acting all bro-like.
Everyone is so happy and cheerful, but the moment that two characters meet, the reader foresees they are going to kill each other in any moment. Shit's scary.
>>143103838
The "nuance" on the right is literally made up out of thin air.
>>143103850
Isn't it pretty rare with deaths unless you happen to square up against Yujiro in the original series?
>>143099142
What's with their fetish of katanas? If weeabos are to be beleived that shit could cut through the entire fucking earth in one fell swoop.
>yfw you realize Yujiro could sexually assault any of the other fighters if he wanted and they could do nothing to stop him
>>143105641
Other than national pride, it's possible that it's because katana were used up to a more recent point than other swords were in the west.
>>143105744
It's most certainly national pride that's the biggest factor. It permeates this author's work through and through.
Most of the god-tier fighters are japanese and foreigners are delegated to the lower end of the scale. Nippon stronk.
Not that I don't like it, it's almost refreshing from the West's constant flagteation in their different medium.
>>143106035
What?
Not counting the Hanmas who are barely human and hinted to originate far away from Japan, the top fighters are Kaku (Chinese), Oliva (?Cuban?-American), and Pickle (caveman).
>>143106165
Also, he made a point of kung fu > karate.
>>143106035
Well, Yujiro is Japanese, but he's not exactly "Japanese". Then we have Musashi, who certainly looks the part, but is as different from the ideal as it could be. Baki himself feels generic as a whole, so his nationality could be almost much anything. Out of all the Baki fighters, I'd say the one who carries the nipponese spirit the most is probably Shibugawa, Doppo, Memetobe, and Hanayama. Then again, I'm biased because some of my favorite characters are the non-Japanese, like Oliva and Retsu.
DOPPO BEST BAKI
>>143106503
Baki is stated more than once as a japanese boy
>>143104962
Yep.
>>143103850
>Everyone is so happy and cheerful, but the moment that two characters meet, the reader foresees they are going to kill each other in any moment. Shit's scary.
It is, and I love it. There was a specific point raised about that idea, I think it was Kozue who brought it up - about how all of the main characters are really little more than psychopathic strength-seekers. We see them from a different angle because we're reading the manga, but from a neutral perspective, they're at best just forces of chaos; at worst, chaotic evil. These are people who will permanently cripple you without a second thought if you try to touch them.
>>143106503
There really aren't any super-Japanese characters beyond Musashi and Motobe. Shibukawa makes a point of breaking Japanese tradition at every junction possible, and Doppo doesn't really characterize a Japanese person either. You're right about Baki and Yuujiro, too.
>>143107265
But the source of his power is spooky ancient egyptian demon blood not YAMATO DAMASHII
>>143107318
>Shibukawa makes a point of breaking Japanese tradition at every junction possible
Examples?
>>143107423
Fawning over Musashi and calling him Kami-tama, then immediately dropping him and slugging him in the face. The way he casually switches between formal language and ghetto-y speech. Being a dick to his actual traditionalist Japanese master when he was like 30. Other stuff.
>>143107265
He is indeed Japanese, but there isn't much to suggest the part.
>>143107318
You may be right about Shibukawa, but Doppo has quite a few things going for him. He practices humility and restraint, does Karate and lives in a Japanese-style house. He has also been associated with some Asian themes in the manga, like the Buddha fist, and how he was compared to Dorian.
>>143106503
Ogre's father is extremely Japanese.
Ogre is the one who doesn't look really Japanese even though his father and mother are pretty Japanese looking.
>>143108173
For some reason I've always thought of him as Okinawan, which partially explains his sons unique hue. What do we know about Yuichiro anyway, other than that he went full Kamikaze on a ship and fought Doppo and Yujiro at some points in his life?
>>143108409
He fought Doppo too?
>>143108409
He made money from fixed fighting events for some reason. And he doesn't fight Doppo, he kinda just lets Doppo kick him once and then leave.
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>>143108648
The whole fixed fight thing was a reference to Kimura Masahiko, represented by Yuichiro.
>>143108645
No, I was thinking about something else and mentioned the wrong person.
>>143108865
>Kimura Masahiko
>At that moment, Kimura seized the limb and executed gyaku-ude-garami. Hélio did not surrender, and Kimura rotated the arm until it broke. As Gracie still refused to give up, Masahiko twisted the arm further and broke it again. Finally, when the judoka was about to twist it a third time, Gracie's corner threw the towel, and Kimura was declared winner
Holy shit. These people fit in the manga just right.
>>143110159
Gracie doesn't fit in the manga. BJJ is such a sham. If you read further, you'll find out that Kimura won almost instantly and that he didn't call Gracie on it or grab him while he was unconscious, to be a good sport.
>>143110268
Sure, I read it all. Kimura got fucked by Gracie and Rikidouzan, it seems.
Still, being willing to suffer three fractures (and to produce them) is pretty baddass.
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>>143108865
So you're in the club and these guy slap your gf's ass. What do you do?
>>143110268
bjj works and is real dangerous
but ground fighting doesn't fit baki at all
the only thing really missing is sakuraba style wrestling locks
>>143111149
offer him my boipussy as a sacrifice
How butthurt would everyone be if Memetobe actually defeats Musashi?
>>143111242
Not at all, that's what we're expecting
