Is bullying actually so bad in Japan that university students would commit double murder of a mother and her unborn child?
>>142953705
I don't know, probably not as bad as shooting defenseless children wholesale, though I guess that's quite common in American and do not elicit as much as shock as it did before.
>>142955400
I'm sorry, where?
>>142953705
It's not double murder since an unborn child is not a person.
>>142955400
A child is more likely to die getting struck by lightning than getting shot.
The American media simply makes a lot of money off of mass shootings and they never pass up the opportunity to glorify a spectacle to get that sweet sweet ad revenue.
I'm still sad OP
Why are you making a separate thread for this when no one responded to your first post?????
>>142955509
In USofA, can't you read?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_shootings_in_the_United_States
>>142956378
When a shooting happens and peoples reaction is 'oh someone shot x up again in america, just the usual', there is clearly something wrong.
>>142953705
I seriously wonder how fucked the Japanese are?
Not in a sexual sense. Though probably not a lot, if meant in a sexual sense.
>>142959258
Small price to pay to won guns
>>142959468
A small price to pay to give the mentally ill and the stupid guns. Truly, only in america.
>>142959523
> OP is about whether or not the manga is accurate
> First post is someone lambasting America as if OP was American and was insulting Japan
> This nigga will never know the joy of answering every question with, "because this is America"
Kek
>>142955400
Yeah. Because Europe has had such a good handle on not getting people murdered en-masse lately.
>>142953705
Out of topic, but can you tell me the title of this manga?
>>142959800
This European cunts believe they are so much better than us Americans even when the shadowy elite are importing rapefuges to rape their woman. In a few years, there won't be laughing since the dead can't laugh. Serve them right.
>>142956378
>A child is more likely to die getting struck by lightning than getting shot.
Unless they live in Chicago, Detroit, Richmond, etc.
>>142956306
unsay it
>>142959258
>>142959468
>>142959523
It's not a "price to pay" to own guns. People fucking murder each other whether or not they have guns. Just look at Australia, their murder rate didn't go down at all after they effectively banned firearms. It's just mass hysteria, and easily publicised sensationalism. People like to fool themselves into thinking they could more easily survive a man with a knife, or a bat than a man with a gun, but statistics prove that is false.
>some mohammads fly a plane into a building and everything gets banned on airplanes from tube socks to tooth paste
>motherfuckers get shoot daily and yet nothing gets banned, you can even walk around with an assault rifle in a store
Someone explain this logic.
>>142961000
Of course people are still going to kill people. But the simple fact is, it is fucking easier to deal with someone with a knife or bat. One person with a knife or bat can easily be taken out by just 2 people unless they are stressing out or are children. Statistics be fucking damned considering how easy it is to falsify that shit, especially for something like this. Why would you pull stats for something that is logically true and a conclusion anyone who doesn't just want to wank their guns can come to? There is no reason to hand guns out like its candy and let every brainless idiot have it. Why would you give a gun to someone with depression, with anger issues, who has been charged with drink driving or is just plain stupid and mentally retarded?
As an Australian, I next to fucking never hear about anyone getting murdered and when I do hear it, its about like 1 person dying, normally because of girlfriend or boyfriend issues. It is normally in the security of private areas rather than in public as well.
>>142953705
take in mind ShindoL is a filthy white piggu gaijin, so theres almost zero chances he actually knows highschoolers
>>142960000
its a hentai manga, OP posted a full page so its easy to find
>>142961079
no constitutional rights to convenient air travel
>>142961419
>shall not be infringed
Also
>comparing AR to AK
why do people who know literally nothing about guns feel competent to speak on the subject
>>142961384
Then why aren't tube socks protected by the constitution? Seriously, how dumb were your founders to miss that?
>>142961384
Doesn't the piece of paper just say 'the right to bear arms"? You could say you don't have the rights to hold a gun. You could also say you have the rights to own nukes.
>>142961466
I know, I curse their short-sightedness each and every day.Tube socks aren't actually banned, we're just memeing
>>142960963
What does christ-chan's womb feel like?
>>142953705
I hope we get another chapter of pic related.
>>142961575
Do you know anything about firearms besides what HuffPo tells you?
Besides, a.) freedom>safety, b.) an armed civilian populace is a bulwark against government overreach, c.) fuck you, I won't do as you tell me, you fearmongering bitch.
>>142961768
>an armed civilian populace is a bulwark against government overreach,
This isn't the 1800's dude. An armed civilian populace is just target practice. You could give every civilian the fucking ability to use a nuke and it would end up still being useless. That's also a shitty reason for why guns should be handed out like candy.
I want the freedom to be able to walk through the streets without thinking someone is going to whip out a gun and shoot me or anyone in my radius. Arming everyone isn't going to fix that.
>>142961879
>>142961891
Then fuck you, move to Cuckstralia.
Also, the whole line about "hurr drones" drasticly misunderstands what an armed civilian insurrection would look like. Do I think it's at all likely? Fuck no. But that's not the point. You're literally saying that we should restrict the rights of law-abiding citizens because you're scared. What's next? Start enacting speech codes, like Europe?
>>142960000
ShindoL's Wild Ride #9
Debatable as to whether a forced abortion is murder. And she overdosed to death. So manslaughter definitely but not murder.
>>142961879
>>142961891
Automatic firearms existed when the 2nd was written and wasn't banned. Secondly, talking guns away is not guaranteed to work and you run the risk of ending up in a dictatorship which has a much higher death toll. Thirdly, if you want the government to baby you, stay in a socialist shithole.
What the fuck is wrong with you /a/?
>>142961971
More like you are a fucking retarded extremist idiot who is literally deluded and may as well be indoctrinated to think 'guns are good dont move them in any way'. Things like gun control don't mean ban them, it means control the flow of them.
Riddle me this anon, why would you let someone who isn't an American citizen buy a gun? Why would you let someone who isn't mentally ill or have problems with things like anger or depression buy a gun? Why would you fucking let someone who doesn't even fucking know how to use the bloody thing or have any actual knowledge on it own one? Why should people be walking around the streets with guns out in the open or walk into populated areas with the things hidden? If you are a law-abiding citizen, why are you so scared of being checked to make sure you can actually be carry the thing and not going to go around and shoot people in the public malls? Most laws restrict the rights of law-abiding citizens, but I don't see how preventing stupid people rom getting guns and actually teaching those law-abiding fuckwits knowledge is somehow a bad thing?
Nice argument of 'no u' at all points.
>>142962154
>killing people is muh right and muh culture
It's the base of all rights and culture.
>>142953705
>>142959407
>ShindoL is representative of how Japan thinks
It sure is summer in here
>>142961280
>Statistics be damned
classic stupid person response to hard facts.
>>142962721
>using stats to prove anything when they don't take in the individual value of each
90% of those knife stats could of been from children being stabbed or people being stabbed in their sleep. Yes, that truly shows that knives are just as much of a threats as a gun. Dumbass, stats are fucking useless when they are a blanket statement. They aren't facts, they are just statistics they show a value but not what the value actually means. If you want to use stats as if they are some pure facts, I could just as easily pull out stats that prove that guns are the root of all crime in America.
>>142962848
Are you actually retarded? Why don't you lay some more circumstantial evidence on me? Oh sorry, you didn't hear about people getting killed. therefore no ones getting killed right?
Statistics are just a reflection of facts. Values are by definition facts, and little as you may like it, your feelings don't change that. There is literally no evidence to link guns with overall crime rates. It's why anti-gun liberals need to use terms like "gun violence". Gun violence isn't violence, banning guns just means people kil each other with knives ot bats. And despite what you said earlier, once again, facts prove that a man with a knife is not much easier to take down than a man with a gun. It makes no difference whether you die from being stabbed or shot, and if YOU have a gun, you're much more likely to be able to effectively defend yourself, even if the other guy has a gun as well. Much more so than if you both had knives.
>>142963620
And the simple fact is, statistics are fucking useless if they are not specific. No, cite this fucking stats they say knife is just as hard as a gun. If they just count the number of people who die by knives, its fucking useless. Why cite it? Its meaningless and proves nothing. If it doesn't take in account the sex, age and situation, they are useless. I did say this
>90% of those knife stats could of been from children being stabbed or people being stabbed in their sleep.
If this is the case, how could you cite it as that knives are just as bad?
If stats aren't specific and don't take in various types of data, they are meaningless garbage that could imply anything and everything. Just the same as I could use unspecific gun stats to prove guns are bad, dumbass. But if I did they, you would rebuttal with something about how they are meaningless.
Cite me these stats that aren't just a list of people dying to knives or bats. Cite me these stats that are also in a fucking crowd of people. Someone with a gun is more likely going to kill like 10x the amount of people than someone with a knife or bat.
>>142964004
There are frequent mass stabbings in place like China. Once again, you can claim statistics are irrelevant, but until you provide something better than circumstantial evidence that you just pull out of your ass, your opinion will continue to be disregarded. Not to mention, in States with the least amount of gun control such as Wyoming and Alaska, overall crime rates are drastically lower than the national average. Gun don't cause mass killings, and banning them doesn't reduce the amount of mass killings. Hell just a few weeks ago someone bombed a subway station in Brussels, and no amount of European gun control stopped that. The deadliest mass killing in US history was done with a couple hundred pounds of fertilizer, and no amount of legislation could have stopped that. Gun control has also not been shown to reduce crime in any way, whether you're a millionaire or you live in the ghetto. Therefore it is absolutely pointless to ban guns. All you're accomplishing is removing tools for self defence and hunting from the hands of law-abiding citizens.
>>142953705
Killing an unborn baby is considered murder?
>>142961675
>you will never mindbreak Christ-chan
Dang.
>>142964340
>fucking china
Also
>banning them
No one said this, you dumb extremist retard. Gun control doesn't meaning banning guns, you fucking retarded fatarse burger. Maybe refer to >>142962101 >>142962137
Again, stats are fucking meaningless if they aren't specific. You haven't proven how knives are worse than saying they are being >stats. They are meaningless if they aren't given a value and citing how many people die to knives isn't giving a value to how dangerous they are. It's citing they can kill people and how many people have died to them. Without specific values and taking in account the values of all incidents, its garbage that could mean anything. Lots of people who have used a gun end up dying by a gun, does this mean that holding and using a gun causes people to commit suicide? Your only evidence is fucking china. Could you please at-least cite an actual civilised country?
>>142961575
So what? Why are you liberal scum so swift to argue "living constitution" in any case besides this, one instance which is vague enough to support the ability to keep up with the times?
>>142964590
>I don;t like the evidence you showed me proving I'm wrong! Waah waah!
You're just repeating yourself now. There is literally no reason whatsoever for gun control. It doesn't actually accomplish anything at all. In Wyoming, I could walk into a gun store, thrown down my drivers license and walk out with 10 fully automatic AKs. And yet, the crime rate there is drastically lower than places like Chicago, where you need a license to own a handgun. You can keep saying it, over and over, but there is absolutely no evidence to show that you're right.
I'm not even going to bother repeating myself on knives, refer to my previous post.
>>142964791
>there is no reason to not give terrorist, none citizens, idiots, 12 year olds, the mentally ill guns and to not educate those who have them
You can't be serious mate.
Also, your evidence was shit. Cite something that isn't fucking China at-least. Why would you cite fucking China as a civilised country? Most of the people who got stabbed probably willingly took it. Also, a single example has no meaning. Cite mass knife stabbings in other places. The only thing you have said is that your stats have meaning despite being blanket as fuck because you say so but anyone who does the same to you is wrong.
>>142964791
>>142964791
Why would anyone need evidence to prove that keeping guns out of the hands of the mentally ill is a good thing? Seems like common sense.
>>142964591
Conservatard, how does the second amendment being about a "well regulated militia" in any way relate to an individual right to own and use guns as one pleases?
Sounds more like a collective right of a community, so you can go to the nearest armory and receive arms when your town is being attacked by Indians.
>>142965051
>Conservatard
How fucking hilarious that you assume things in such black and white terms. As expected of Liberal trash.
>>142965051
>>142965080
By the way? The citizens ARE the militia.
>>142965080
Not him, but aren't you morons thinking in fucking black and white as well? Your first thought to someone disagreeing with you was "hes a liberal".
>>142965080
Just who started throwing around labels?
>>142965123
Some individual asshole is not a militia. The amendment definitely covers collective defense against e.g. Indians. Anything besides that is highly debatable.
>>142964999
But that's wrong, jackass. You haven't cited me any stats, you've just been pulling concepts out of your ass. And even disregarding mass stabbings, bombing is far more effective way to kill, as I said previously. You seem rather fixated on China, which is odd given the discussion.
>>142965041
You can call it common sense all you want, there is no actual hard evidence to support it. I believe in facts, not in feelings, and just because it might seem like a bad idea to give a mentally ill person a gun on the surface, doesn't mean that it necessarily is. They have the same rights as anyone else.
>>142965200
You did. All I did was call you what you were.
>>142965188
See above, moron.
>Some individual asshole is not a militia.
They definitely are. Every single person is a member of a militia and a militia unto themselves, if need be.
>>142965051
The militia refers to fighting age men 17 and over. And well regulated refers to 'in working order' not 'government supervised'. The change in the meaning of well regulated is quite unfortunate. It's retarded top imply that the force to keep the government in check has to be controlled by the government.
>there was a civilian uprising while George Washington was president
>he put it down mercilessly to make them serve as an example for the rest of the nation that democracy can only survive if people participate in the system, not raise arms and rebel
>somehow people still think that the 2nd Amendment is about rising up against the government if it does something you don't like
>>142965219
You didn't provide anything dumbass, you just said 'in china' and that was it. Proves fucking nothing. In china, all the mass stabbings that occur in public are because everyone is napping on the floor. As such, knives aren't dangerous. Good job anon!
>just because it might seem like a bad idea to give a mentally ill person a gun on the surface, doesn't mean that it necessarily is. They have the same rights as anyone else.
>this person is retarded and has a incredibly high chance to shoot innocent people but that doesnt matter give him a gun
Fucking Americans.
>>142965240
>my opinions are facts and yours arent
u wot m8?
>>142960937
He said child, not nigger.
>>142965240
>You did. All I did was call you what you were.
The "liberal scum" reply wasn't even for my post, I just shot back at you in the same fashion.
>>142965247
I didn't speak of the government being in charge. Might as well be the mayor, the fire chief or whatever.
William Merkel says "well regulated" actually referred to being trained or disciplined, but your gun laws don't even take care of that.
>>142960937
>Unless they live in black city 1, black city 2, black city 3, etc.
>>142965364
I'm not even an American dude, I'm a Canadian. And fyi, I do actually live in the ghetto, here owning an unregistered gun will net you minimum 10-15 years depending on the type/if it was loaded/etc. And it didn't stop my fucking friends from getting shot. You aren't allowed to carry a knife for self-defence, but that didn't stop my fucking friends from getting stabbed. And maybe if they had been allowed to carry a gun, they could still be alive today.
And again, what's with all this hate for China and the USA? You realise those aren't arguments right, you're just whining.
>>142965337
>kek
>>142965560
>if x happened y might of happened instead
This isn't an argument and there is nothing to prove this as well.
>>142965638
And yet, you can't possibly refute anything else I've said, so you can't say shit.
>>142961768
I never understood why you people think guns protect you from the government
Americans get fucked by their politicians on a daily basis and guns have never stopped them. Most americans are too stupid or too scared to actually do something about the fate of their country
Is it that hard to say that it is just another stupid hobby?
>>142965247
Wew
It says militias are important, it doesn't make laws for them
Why are gun grabbers so bad at english?
>>142965694
There was an argument presented and you just went 'that doesn't matter they should be given a like its candy anyway'. The only one who can't argue why having basic gun control is a bad idea, is you. There is zero disadvantage. It is nothing more than ensuring people aren't retarded with guns and retards don't get them. How is that a bad thing? You aren't stopping the flow, its because controlled to ensure a rational result. The only one who can't provide a argument other than 'cause they should have it' is you. You are just sitting on an extremist black and white fence and refuse to accept the notion that grey exist.
>>142965856
What are you even talking about at this point? I'm saying that seeing as there is no evidence to support your claim that the mentally ill shouldn't have guns, they shouldn't be deprived of their rights. That's called discrimination, you liberal fuck, and you're practising it right now.
>>142965961
>discrimination based on reason and logic is wrong
What the fuck has happened to conservatives these days?
>>142965247
Pretty sure the meaning of "well regulated" is self-evident: someone is in charge of the militia and making sure they aren't breaking tons of laws and doing whatever they please; in effect, regulating. And since government is the force that writes and enforces laws, it is reasonable to state that government should be involved in the regulation of fighting men and militias.
Also, militias have never been a force to keep the government in check, especially as you describe them. When groups of armed men decide they have more legitimacy and authority than the government, your country becomes a clusterfuck of killing and plundering like Libya and Syria.
>>142953705
did I misunderstood the last chapter?? she and her daughter are alive?
r..rright?
>>142966037
But it's not reason or logic, it's just sensationalism. You think you need to be scared of a mentally ill person with a gun, alright, you can be scared of whatever you want. But without some sort of facts, or evidence to support that, there's no reason to deprive them of their rights.
Legislation should be based in facts, not feelings, and your belief that guns are bad and dangerous is just a feeling. There isn't any hard facts to show that controlling or banning them affects people in a meaningful way. You're entitled to your opinion, but it's not a good idea to start legislating out of opinion, it's an incredibly dangerous precedent to set.
However this has become a cyclical argument, if you're just going to ignore what I'm saying and repeat yourself over and over, this will be my last post.
>>142953705
Bullying is bad everywhere, anon.
>>142965961
>That's called discrimination
Yeah and? You think I give a fuck? Fuck that 'treat everyone equally love and rainbows' shit, nigger, that shit is far from the truth. Yes, the mentally ill shouldn't be given a gun even if its their right. They have a high chance of getting up and shooting someone because they don't know left from right. Just the same, if you aren't a citizen of that country, you shouldn't be allowed to even hold a fucking gun. It isn't feelings, it is a judgement based on rational thoughts and logic. A mentally ill person isn't capable of thinking correctly. Fuck you.
>>142966064
>tumblr
>intentionally misleading graph with 0 not at origin
>scaled so uselessly that you can barely read any values
Nice try faggot.
Why the fuck is this thread still here
MODS
>>142966193
Kid died inside the womb. Mother died overdosing on drugs. The only consoling fact was she died seeing a happy dream.
>>142966403
This please.
>>142966152
>When groups of armed men decide they have more legitimacy and authority than the government, your country becomes a clusterfuck of killing and plundering
I agree, we need to rejoin with the British Crown.
>>142966403
>i have no idea how 4chan functions
Retard. Welcome to a real 4chan thread.
>>142955400
>i believe everything the media says
You have to play some real fucking statistical gerrymandering to get the "mass shooting numbers" to show anything other than the fact that you are less likely to be struck by lightning than you are to die in a mass shooting.
You're about 40 times more likely to be involved in an automotive accident than you are to even be involved in a mass-shooting, let alone even just injured.
But, yea, you're probably right. There's literally babies getting mozabique-drilled constantly by professional hitmen and thugs a like, in every school in America, 28 hours a day.
>>142953705
No. The edgy things in manga doesn't actually happen in Japan.
>>142967629
That's a lie and you are a liar.
>>142961470
The "piece of paper" says "shall not be infringed". Nothing about "establishment". As in, the people who wrote recognized that human beings have an intrinsic right to self-defense and to have access to the resources to exercise that right.
In America, we have the right to defend ourselves simply because we are alive and human. Laws don't give us rights, as much as uneducated, misinformed modernists like you would like to think.
>>142961079
You do not have an intrinsic human right to fly on a plane. Banning or restricting the items you can carry and the way you fly on a plane doesn't actually affect your human rights.
You have an intrinsic human right to defend yourself, whether modernist hyper-liberals want to recognize that or not. Banning or restricting the resources and methodologies necessary to defend yourself from one group of people (civilians) while giving them to another group of people (the government) is a de facto human rights violation.
You don't understand this because you probably live in some shit hole where the government actually runs and/or owns everything and the idea of individual sovereignty and freedom sounds like a joke to you. You think "well I can fly on a plane and I can drink my Starbucks and I can rent an apartment and I can shitpost on the internet, so I'm free even though it is literally illegal for me to defend myself from the government except in the limited capacity they tell me I can".
You've got to be Eurozone, from one of the countries who never really got rid of their nobility.
