Why does it feel like FMA hasn't left much of an impact on anime? Back when the first anime was popular it seemed bigger than the "Big 3" at the time, and everyone was hype for Brotherhood too, but once the manga ended it was like it got forgotten.
>>142897029
Why would it? It's not like the adaptations were groundbreaking.
>>142897029
Because it actually ended and wasn't milked to death like the big 3.
>>142897097
This.
Also it is still pretty well known.
>>142897097
This, when something is really good and has a definitive ending people move past it
>>142897029
It's far from forgotten. What sort of impact were you expecting?
>>142897029
Why would it? It never did anything outlandish or innovative.
>>142897245
>not realizing they meant those terms relative to other anime
>>142897245
>outlandish
>innovative
>humanity
what's your point?
>>142897029
Anon, back when the anime aired, the big three weren't even the big three yet.
>>142897029
FMAB is a definition of a perfect anime but its forgotten because the big3 and dragon ball are still going on
>>142897245
>normalfag reaction image
Fuck off.
>>142897552
hello MAL
>>142897029
Stop posting this Naruto-level garbage. Shonenshit is cancer.
Unlike all other shounen FMA is actually well written so there is nothing to argue or shitpost about. Plus it's concluded so there is no room for for people's headcanon and subsequently there is no room for hype.
There isnt much to talk about it at this point, it was a good adaption that tied up reasonably well and most people like it well enough
>>142897699
>Unlike all other shounen FMA is actually well written
>>142897797
If you genuinely think Hunter x Hunter is as well written as FMA you are beyond retarded.
>>142897699
>Unlike all other shounen FMA is actually well written
>>142897797
>Perpetually ongoing aimless random arcs
>asspull galore
What's your point?
>>142897848
This. It's better written than FMA.
>>142897797
HxH is only considered "well-written" because every fucking criticism of its writing is dismissed with "that's on purpose, it's deconstructing your expectations and going against the grain, JUST LIKE REALITY!"
>>142897866
What are you talking about?
>>142897851
Youtsuba& is great but it's not really in that typical shounen genre comparable to FMA and the "big 3".
>>142897990
I spelled out elements that do not constitute good writing. Funny enough hxh happens to incorporate them.
FMA wasn't really groundbreaking.
It was very good, and quite popular, but it didn't really do anything especially unique or innovative. It was just a reasonably well crafted story. It's not like other shounen manga that were groundbreaking. Hokuto no Ken was groundbreaking because japan had never really seen a setting or artstyle like that executed so convincingly, and Dragonball was sort of a reminder that you didn't need incredibly detailed HnK-style art to be popular. DB did a few things that while they may not be entirely great ideas in the long run, served to make the series much easier to pick up at any point in the series, like power levels.
FMA doesn't really have any of this. The only way it really breaks from the mold is the western setting/cast and the departure from frequent and lengthy fights (they're basically all short and sweet and with a fair amount of time between them up until the climax), and both of those are things you'd do if you wanted to distance yourself from the japanese shounen-manga mainstream. It's a bit of a surprise that FMA was as successful as it was.
>>142897797
>Asspull x Asspull
>well written
>>142898067
That's cool I guess, but what you said is unrelated to HxH.
Today, I saw someone with this tattooed on his arm.
Would any of you consider this?
I think it's stupid as fuck
>>142897029
It was pretty alright, do you expect people to constantly talk about it when it ended so long ago?
>>142898067
>>142898094
Completely unrelated but HxH has one asspull and it's hardly worse than the one Kimblee pulled.
>>142898246
>they established that nen can get stronger after death so having a big death match and then having the character immediately revive himself and remold his body isn't an asspull
>>142898091
> It was just a reasonably well crafted story.
And that's exactly why it is so popular, 95% of all anime is total garbage
>>142898246
>>142898157
Sure whatever keeps your bubble of delusions from bursting.
But the reality is exactly like this anon said>>142897848. If you think hxh is narratively and thematically on the same level as FMA you have no clue what you are talking about.
>>142898091
This. The plot itself was generic and whatnot. It exceled in its execution of said plot very well. Aint nothing was innovative or gamechanging about it.
I dont know what the fuck OP expects from this anime. Is this your first chinese slideshow OP?
>>142897029
I am still mad Roy didn't tap Rizas ass.
>>142898490
This, if you think they're on the same level, you're deluded. HxH is much better.
>>142897699
>Unlike all other Shounen FMA is actually well written
>>142898359
What's the issue exactly? He used a previously established ability and follows previously established rules. Just because you didn't like it doesn't make it an asspull.
This isn't the thread for it but you're a retard.
>>142898157
Dude there a character that's a litteral walking talking deus ex machina, ignoring all the other bullshit in the story.
>>142898224
Because its actually a cool icon?
![The Simpsons [3x23] Bart's Friend Falls in Love.avi_snapshot_21.30_[2016.04.05_09.19.31].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/lnXV33W.jpg "The Simpsons [3x23] Bart's Friend Falls in Love.avi_snapshot_21.30_[2016.04.05_09.19.31].jpg")
>>142898573
Bad example, man. It was okay but it kind of fell apart toward the end.
>>142898573
It literally ruined CLAMP forever.
The big three were all trash economically and in my opinion, that's why we have high school anime now
>>142898020
>shounen
>genre
>>142898590
None that explained how he survived considering he litterally died from suffocation and yet the fact he should be brain dead is completely ignored.
inflammatory opinion
>>142898590
If I wrote a story in the real world, having a vicious bloodhound would be following the rules of the world (and is a pre-established ability in the sense that it's known people can have it, which is all that applies to the men thing as well), but my vicious bloodhound that you'd never seen before randomly attacking my opponent and killing him before he could finish me off would still be an asspull.
>>142898683
Are you an idiot, that has nothing to do with the highschool anime like not even the slightest bit
>>142898732
>men thing
Nen thing.
>>142897029
You got it wrong OP. We all agree it's great and thus there is no room for discussion.
It will remain far greater than "the big 3" forever too.
>>142898727
no my opinion is better than yours!
>>142898683
This is one of the dumbest posts in this whole dumb thread.
>>142898224
It's not specifically an FMA thing. It's just an alchemical symbol in general.
>>142897029
It might because the MC falls short compared to the side characters.
>>142898683
I hope this becomes a meme. I really do.
>>142898683
Yes, high school anime did not exist before 2004.
>>142897029
It wasn't milk as much as the big three. The series ended pretty quickly.
>>142898094
Compare to other shounens, HxH is well written.
It's a very good story and a great adaptation, but it wasn't really innovative. It's still pretty well-known, though. I have always thought of FMAB and HxH (2011) as "the big 2" that come after "the big 3", if that makes any sense.
>>142898510
subtext nigger
>>142898985
Not really, no. It just does shit that isn't as common, and people equate that with good writing.
>>142898703
He gave himself CPR, which i'm pretty sure is the standard procedure for suffocation victims. There are plenty of ways to explain the lack of brain damage, the most obvious one being that we don't know how long it has been between his death and the CPR.
>>142898732
I don't understand your analogy, what would be the viscious bloodhound that came out of nowhere in this case?
>>142898619
I dont think you know what that means. There were other ways that Gon could have been healed, but this was a way to introduce a calamity into the story.
>>142898986
It doesn't make any sense, no.
>>142899012
Hisoka deciding randomly to try reviving himself and then doing so. Just because we've been told that nen can get stronger after death doesn't mean every instance of it ever happening is going to be adequately justified.
>>142898619
>literal walking deus ex machina
I dont think what you know what half of those words used together even means.
>>142899044
I knew someone would say that. Whatever, as far as shounen goes, those are some of the best ones I've watched.
>>142899084
>hey guys that thing can happen
>thing happens
>woah, asspull
Alright
>>142897029
I reread FMA just recently, it either didn't age well or it was just overrated
I unironically think 2003 was a better version if we ignore the BONES ending
>>142897922
>>142898094
>try to make an argument about why Alluka was an asspull and bad writing
>NEN SYSTEM NEN SYSTEM NEN SYSTEM
really hate these people
>>142899717
you must be inventing shit in your head because it's not clear whether or not nanika operates on nen
and most people agree nanika was an asspull
>>142899670
2003's adaptation of the manga chapters that was available was better than Brotherhood's.
Brotherhood felt a bit rushed at some points, and the fact that they insisted on doing panel by panel stuff, including the silly chibi gags that doesn't work when it takes a whole screen. Plus, they insisted on doing that simultaneous ending thing which might've disturbed the production a bit.
>>142897029
>"Big 3"
The Big 3 was a Yank trope which never had a basis in reality.
>>142899207
>Whatever, as far as shounen goes, those are some of the best ones I've watched.
What does that have to do with being a part of the Big whatever
>>142897078
radically different compared to most battle shounen
It avoids more cliches than HxH
>>142897029
Because it was complete garbage?
>try to watch it
>premise seems pretty alright
>constantly zig-zagging between generic action scenes and unfunny short jokes
>any effect either would have had is cancelled out by the other
>can't take it even remotely seriously
>forced to drop it after 1.5 eps
Literally even naruto knows how to weave humor and action better. I honestly have no idea why this thing is even popular aside from the babby's first chuuni/magic system shit.
>>142900429
poor bait
>>142900301
For one, it's a Western term based in Western reality. For another, it started well before fucking 2012. For another, it's not a trope.
>>142899717
>try to claim that any part lacked tension or was disappointing
>Yeah, well, anticlimaxes are part of real life, you're just a kid who hates anything that isn't cliche!
>>142897029
What do you want it to do? It's remembered and still has a lot of fans.
>>142900537
>powerlevels
>tournament arcs
>berserker forms
few things that FMA avoided that HxH jumped right in to.
>>142900534
>constantly zig-zagging between generic action scenes and unfunny short jokes
This is what I hated about it. It can't handle serious moments. There has to be some gag every few seconds to break the tension.
>>142900659
It's not even about avoiding cliches - HxHfags want the cliches, but slightly different, so they can make a big deal about "subversion" and how clever Togashi supposedly is.
>>142900659
what powerlevels?
i'll give you that, but it was sparse and short and mainly focused on developing nen
only in a side character who was just one shotted in the last chapter
>>142901059
>developing nen
>what powerlevels?
>>142900788
I never understood this complaint. It's never this severe in either version of the show. I can't clearly think of a single example of this kind of tonal inconsistancy, and it was absolutely not "constantly zig-zagging". Could you point out a couple of examples? Keep in mind that Brotherhood is a 60-something episode show, so pointing out a single example early on is pretty fucking minor.
>>142897699
>Unlike all other shounen FMA is actually well written
>>142901203
This is a joke, right?
>>142901203
are you trying to prove the guy right?
>>142900429
>MC punched God
>>142901257
>>142901273
Not that anon but Magi isn't a terrible series. It's not perfect but still good.
>>142900534
try harder
>>142901460
yeah but it's not all that well-written either
>>142901460
I enjoy it, but it isn't well written.
>>142901525
So you enjoy it for the art, or what?
>>142901567
I like the political aspects of the stories instead of just fights, but if something isn't written well it doesn't stop me from enjoying it.
Also if you count the fact that I love the character design and setting of the story as the art, then yes that's why I like it too.
>>142901651
So what shounen do you consider well written and why?
>>142898091
I think a huge part of it was the lack of bullshit powerups.
Bleach had too many to count (Bankai, Mask, I'm sure Ichigo has probably found Final Sword Technique and Omega Final Sword Technique in the time since I've dropped it), Naruto had Sage/qb mode, One Piece has Haki, DBZ had the Super Saiyan forms.
All are boring formulaic powerups that frustrate readers (Aside from SSJ1). but in FMA the power was flat.
Ed goes on a training arc to get stronger? His teacher really just gives him a pep talk. He improves his alchemy as the story goes on, certainly, but there's no "Oh shit to defeat greed I must use Maximum Overalchemy".
There's also the fact that he's not the strongest, and that really doesn't change. Ed struggles with most of his fights. Ed and Ling versus Envy was a tough fight, and the two couldn't win.
Mustang fucking annihilated Envy.
There's also a single villain for the majority of the series instead of a bad guy, another bad guy, bad guy who was working for bigger bad guy and so on.
It goes outside the shounen mold, and I think that is why it's seem as good.
>>142901781
Because of the nature of the genre, I don't know if I would consider any well written, similar to young adult books in the west. FMA isn't that bad, though.
>>142897029
Because it's overrated as hell and death note, SnK, Soul eater tier?
Dragonball, One Piece (at one point), Hunter x Hunter, Ippo were all better shounen. It's literally ATLA tier, and is mostly remembered by overweight fujoshits.
>>142898853
>>142901851
>>142901651
What's your definition of well-written, exactly? The idea of enjoying a story but not thinking it's good is a little bizarre to me.
>>142901883
You're judging a series by its fans. I don't really need to explain why that's retarded.
>>142901883
>Some shounen being better than it makes it bad
Got any actual criticism? And it isn't fair to judge the best part of One Piece against the entirety of FMA
>>142901118
didn't answer the question
>>142901200
do you know what berserker mode means?
>>142902190
I thought it was mostly solid, but unremarkable at times story. It was a well told tight whole, but didn't make any significant risks and played it too safe and by the book for me to really call it great. It's world was not as vast as say One Piece and it felt underdeveloped and unexplored in comparison. Obviously it has far less lows than One Piece and it's hard for me to call one piece flat out better at this point (although I wouldn't say it's worse as a whole). Art isn't that great either imo.
>>142901883
ATLA is actually pretty good desu
>>142900429
>It avoids more cliches than HxH
Kill yourself.
>started watching HxH
>enjoying it
>now constantly aware of how shitty and deluded the fanbase is
good thing I am not the type that allows shit fanbases to ruin shows for me.
>2011
There, saved you giving me a (you)
>>142903647
>>>/blogspot/
>>142898224
>anime tattoo
I would be too embarrassed explaining where it came from. But if it's actually something important to you and you're not a closet weeaboo like me, then it's ok I guess. I won't judge.
HxH is fucking trash that gets 'good' around the ant arc and then steadily decreases again while FMA was good from the first fucking episode.
>>142901059
>what powerlevels?
are you fucking kidding me? the entire Chimaera arc
>>142903196
the first part, Korra can eat a dick
Aang vs Ozai is fucking GOAT
>>142904460
>most powerful being killed by a cheap nuke
So much for power levels.
>>142898727
>>142905874
Shit, go from
>unspeakable
to
>horrific
it did . but not many company's pay for well drawn anime. its all about the bottom line.
>>142901170
And the 2003 is almost 55. I don't know what the anon is talking about with the zigzaging serious moments and short jokes though.
>>142898246
>Completely unrelated but HxH has one asspull
alluka
gon
hisoka
but again togashidrones defend every shit
>>142902050
No, he thinks the show IS good and enjoyable, but just not well written. Like, maybe Fallout 3. Enjoyable, just not well written.
>>142903196
I agree with this. Although Korra was complete garbage, and a classic example of why you shouldn't pander to a vocal fanbase at the expense of your show. The only good thing about the show was the music, some of the animation and Zaheer.
>>142906259
Maybe that anon confused it with Akame ga kill which is a perfect example of "zigzagging" between funny and edgy. Brotherhood was never like that. It had it's comedic light hearted moments and its serious emotional moments. I don't remember them trying to stick the two together.
>>142903647
>motherfucking FMA thread
>HxH blogpost
i'm literally living on HxH since the manga got back but fucking fuck the shitposters are getting on another threads now? if togashi doesn't enter a hiatus, the fags will move into other boards in a month and then its complete shutdown from the mods
>>142897029
It had a well balanced ability system which I liked and the author knew when not to take it over the top or when to go all out crazy with character's abilities.
>>>142897699
>Some random retard on /a/ thinks he knows what good writing is
>>142898094
there where only 2 asspulls in it, Gons transformation, and Nanika.
One resulted in gon losing his nen, so it's really not much of an asspull. But Naruto/Dball fags will stay mad as always
>>142897029
I really liked the fact that they didn't do an unnecessary sequel. With the way it ended, they could have easily gone the way of Boruto. But thankfully they didn't. The character arcs were resolved and the main cast got the ending they deserved.
Someone PLEASE tell me why FMA:B has bad writing.
Don't worry, I'll wait.
>>142907115
I'm pretty sure no one on /a/ knows what actual bad writing is. Any examples they give are usually just opinions.
Though I noticed a lot of people who liked the 03 version like to shit on Brotherhood's ending claiming that it was too happy. Not every series has to have a bittersweet ending.
>>142907115
>Don't worry, I'll wait.
Very kind of you anon
>>142907115
Does it being painfully unfunny count? Because I would list that since the author pushed his terrible humor a lot.
>>142897205
This. It was a good show, plain and simple. I'll remember it, but it didn't do anything groundbreaking. What the fuck did you expect?
>>142897797
Not this fucking shit again
>>142906352
The things he's describing as enjoyable seem to fall under writing, though.
I've never played Fallout, so I don't know if that would clear anything up.
>>142907507
>unfunny
Humor is subjective. I didn't find the whole Ed being short joke funny at all. But that doesn't equate to bad writing.
>>142907708
>>142907424
>it doesn't count, it's subjective
Nigger, it's all subjective.
>>142907115
>>142907434
This right here, Pride had no reason to allow this and it ends up biting them in the ass later.
>>142901651
>but if something isn't written well it doesn't stop me from enjoying it.
That's retarded.
it's okay but pretty bland and the story drags out while not being thrilling. the author didn't try and grow the character to move past it being shounen shit or throw out enough meat for usual shounen fans. it's a blend of shounenshit and subpar story as the result.
even if i say the all that it was pretty exciting back in the bad, but so what? compared to other stuff it's just lacking. i feel the strength of characters and how they interact wasn't done particularly well. there isn't enough stuff left up to the imagination and the characters are too run of the mill
>>142898573
I watched this years before I watched CCS and thought it was shit. After watching CCS I realized just how shit it was.
Holy shit why are there so many different encodes and subs?
Which should I watch?
>>142908216
>even if i say the all that it was pretty exciting back in the bad, but so what?
>>142908302
I recommend Brotherhood dubbed. It's a good experience. If you have the time, you could also check out the 2003 version. But Brotherhood is the "true" version.
>>142897029
>FMA
>not a big impact
nigger, buzzfeed still has it in 9 out of their 10 weekly "top 10 anime X" videos
>>142908369
I'm watching 2003 then Brotherhood.
>>142898494
PLOT DOESN'T MATTER
>>142908446
In that case I don't really remember if the dub was good or not for that. Actually, I don't remember much of it asides from that movie and the ending. Hopefully another anon can help you out.
>>142908495
Even then, I wasn't asking about dub or sub or FMAB vs 2003, I was asking which sub/encode of 2003 I should watch.
>>142908476
Nigger, a popular show with the same plot a bunch of other things had likely isn't going to change much. A popular show with new or rare plot elements contributing to its popularity will likely have an impact by making those more common. This isn't difficult.
>>142908412
>>142908495
No one's talking about the dub, you dumb newfag. Fuck off.
>>142900788
>It can't handle serious moments
>Shou Tucker
>Why are they putting daddy in the ground?
>Roy vs Envy
>Ishval flashbacks
And that's just the best ones.
>>142908551
plot elements don't matter. The only importance of a story is developing characters and/or working on themes
>>142908792
Yes, no one ever stole plot elements from popular shows before.
>>142908584
Why are you getting so assblasted? Stop projecting so hard you fucking weeb.
>>142908858
That has nothing to do with what I said.
>>142897029
It was so emotionally fulfilling, people accepted it as good and moved on. Nothing better than having a positive legacy.
>>142908921
Then your posts are completely irrelevant to the ones you responded to.
>>142908792
How's high school treating you?
>>142908992
How being a manchild treating you? Caring about plot is an activity shared by escapism fags.
>>142907792
No rebuttal?
>>142909041
>escapism is bad
You're deluding yourself harder than any escapist if you think there's worth in fiction beyond sheer entertainment. "Confronting themes" and bullshit like that is completely pointless.
>>142909101
>growing as a human is unimportant.
>>142897029
After watching it it quickly became one of my favorites and one I will watch again soon and anyone I talk to that have watched say that's one of the best show they have seen.
So I would say that is a big impact
>>142909132
"Growing as a human" is bullshit.
>>142909384
>>142900534
Was it Brotherhood? Then there's your problem
>>142897797
>Rubber nen brings you have to life with a new rubber body
>>142907763
There's actual bad writing which is when you can't fucking read it and it doesn't make sense.
Then there's bad writing where you understand whats going on, but you think its not hitting the emotional notes right.
Then there's the bad writing where anon just thinks that its not believable and its not consistent in its presentation of the internal logic of the series. You know, like Goku getting shot by a laser gun.
Then there's bad writing where anon just doesn't like the show.
Then there's bad writing where anon just says it has bad writing to justify their opinion of not liking the show.
In any case, context is key. So you can ignore any words like 'shit', 'bad writing', 'show is terrible', 'X show is awful', etc. because its just a general statement of unsatisfaction.
>>142900534
>watch it
So filler?
>>142908792
Plot is very important though.
>>142910432
>plot
>being different from character development/motivations
This is the entire problem in a nutshell. 'Plot' is merely a shorthand for the actions characters take because of their motivations and development.
Plots where characters just sort of go through the motions suck ass. Plots where characters have mediocre motivations (I've just got to fight evil! They're killing people and I have to do something! I'm part of a task force that fights people who do these things!) are usually pretty lame.
With the right motivations, buildup, and character complexity in play, a single slap (or hell, a simple sentence) can have twice the impact of a multi-episode powers powers powers MY POWERUP IS MORE POWERFUL THAN YOU POWERUP, HERE I COME FROM THE BRINK OF DEFEAT BECAUSE OF THE STRENGTH OF MY FRIENDSHIP shounen-style battle. (Which is not to demean massive powerlevel fests, because those are fun.)
When the motivations are flimsy, impact has to be derived from the spectacle of the action, which leads to the issue of escalation upon escalation. When the characters are simple and bland, interaction becomes the same damn jokes about their one quirk, over and over.
Plot on its own is kinda shit, unless it's happening as a result of good characters and their interactions and reactions, which is part of the reason the Ling group and Mustang's imperial plotters are some of the best parts of FMA: they're got more interesting reasons (although only so much more interesting) for taking their actions than most of the rest of the cast.
Unfortunately, managing to write a few good characters is hard, and trying to manage an entire cast of characters with their own motivations is awfully difficult, which is why so much stuff starts to boil down to "MC's group vs. Opponents", and motivations simply become the reasons people have become the MC's allies, or work for the opposition.
>>142898527
>m-muh boogeymen
>>142897029
It was good at what it did. Not the magical groundbreaking work you think it is/was. It was competent. The ending was not to my taste but a deserving 7/10 overall. Babies first 'non big 3' shounen or something, with a conclusive ending. Though that doesn't make much sense considering the dozens to hundreds of completed adventure series in the shounen demographic, of similar or shorter length.
>>142900301
>Silver Spoon
>Rank 7
>Fucking nobody is scanlating it after the last hiatus
Just fuck me up senpai
>>142909076
Pride didn't give a fuck you muppet. Read his death again.
>>142913502
>>142897592
>Naruto-level garbage.
>MUH MOEEEEEE
