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You body belongs to this show now.

Can we agree the show is competently written, and that's the reason we can even have the Chidori Wars?
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>>142832525
Nico x Tenga is going to happen.
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It's a good show and has a great art style, and probably the most aesthetic OP I've seen.

It's reminiscent of the Breakfast Club with the different characters from different backgrounds, but autists on /a/ hate anything not moeshit
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There are Chidori wars because /a/ is filled with autists, losers, and entitled NEETs and she triggers the shit out of them.
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>>142832598
>NicoXTenga
Nico's dealt with everything well enough to earn a happy ending, sure.

But if that's what's going down, then Chidori's either going to win the Kats Bowl over Nori's dead body, without having to come to terms with herself or experience meaningful change, she's going to not change and lose, or she's going to change and develop and still lose.

I'm not sure how happy I am with any of those outcomes.
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>>142832688
>chidori triggers /a/
Don't forget the legions of nice guys/beta orbiters who swear up and down that she "deserves to win", Kats "betrayed her", and Nori's a "homewrecking slut" because she was nice to him and cooked for him, without ever getting into a romantic relationship with him.
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>they see you're dick
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>>142832803
Yes, those are losers. Regardless of whether the armor's white or black, you're both losers.
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>>142832897
>WAKE ME UP INSIDE
>CAN'T WAKE UP
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>yfw fags were calling this show edgy before it even came out
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Eh it's okay, I think the ending will be the real deciding factor for a show like this.

I wish it got more episodes, Yuta and Hisomu are such bit part characters compared to the rest.

I really hope the ending is sad as fuck.
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>>142832525
>Can we agree the show is competently written, and that's the reason we can even have the Chidori Wars?

nice bait

an okata show competently written? chidori wars? there are 30 fagots circle jerking to this anime on /a/, no one fucking cares about kizshit. 30 people doesn't make a "chidori wars" it barely makes a discussion.
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>>142832803
Noriko may not be a homewrecker yet she surely is a harlot.

She pleased Hisomu for stimulation medicine.
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>>142833375
The 'Chidori Minor Scuffle' sounded too wordy.

>an Okada show competently written?
I was surprised too. Came in because the OP was rad, expected a shitshow, pleasantly surprised by the writing quality.
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>>142833375
You're trying to hard to fit in
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>>142833375

>30

Last thread had 120+
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>>142832803
they only like her because they're the only ones desperate enough to fuck a girl like her but are too beta to commit to heartless bitches.
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>>142832525
When Kacchon started to cry at the end my smomach actually hurt, it was kind of painful and I cringed away from the screen. This is the first anime that has done that.
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13 ep or two cours?
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Smile status: not protected
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>>142834651
>t. loser
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The only good thing that came out of this show is Nico
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>>142832525
Okada writes the same show for the millionth time. She still doesn't get it right.

You call that being incompetent.

Her failure will only make Trigger's comeback more dramatic.
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How could Tenga get closure without making Chidori more mad?

Wait?
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>>142832525
8 episode in it shit it only got good recently so no they wasted 8 episodes of a 12 episode series
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>>142832525
>Chidori Wars
I thought that was just new baiting by shitposters. It's not like her character has really changed from the early episodes where no one cared.
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Tenga best boy
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>>142832897
>autismal howling ensues
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>>142832598
>Nico x Tenga
I can only hope
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Nico's voice is so goddamn adorable.

Also the last scene with Kacchon barely eeking out a cry made me tear up hard.

btw I'ma guy

also Chidori a shit
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>tfw it took me 2 hours to get through episode 9 because of all the second-hand embarrassment.
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>>142832525
this is garbage and I'm not even kidding
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Nori-chan, please. He just told you, the government is breathing down his neck so the project is on a hold.

19 times more powerful orgasms, get on it.
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>>142836977
>being a guy
>on /a/
Get out of my little girls club.
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>>142837021
FAITO
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>>142837021
As much as it enhances the enjoyment any show, I hate that feel
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/r/ing webm of Kacchon eating from a can
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>>142834871
That is a smile worth protecting.
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>>142832525
It's one of those shows with elements of nigh-perfection and utter shit that polarizes optimists and pessimists, kinda like Boku Dake. I'm an optimist, it's not competently written but I fucking love it regardless.
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>>142837207
Fujos please leave.
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>>142837207
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>>142837423
fucked up in the end it doesn't even matter
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>>142837401
>>142837423
Thank you very much. A straight male /r/'d it, actually.
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>>142837401
>>142837423
>>142837517
This is why you specify what part you want a webm of
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>>142837582
>still not a loop
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>>142837608
I keep trying and it keeps fucking up!
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>>142837582
>>142837608
>>142837624
if this one doesn't go through then fuck it
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>>142837671
Success!
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>>142837671
You know you can watch webms before you submit them right?
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>>142837671
>>142837682
FASTER
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>>142837718
#yolo
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>>142837800
fucking web players, works fine on mpc
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>>142837818
how did you do that
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>>142837838
AssumeScaledFPS(220, 100, true)
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>>142837800
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>>142834716
Kumamiko got that exact reaction from me this week.
Kiznaiver only made me slightly sad nori-chan can't really feel daiiiiiiiiisuki anymore.
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>>142835674
He could try not saying stupid shit like that.
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>>142832803
Chidori is the "nice guy" in female form. Pretty soon she will be posting on /r9k/.
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>>142838925
>why doesn't autist CHAD want ME instead of slutty autist STACY?
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>niko
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>>142839203
>Yuta's VA looks just like him
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>>142832525
>competently written

Not so sure about that, friend. They literally start the show off with 2 episodes with nothing but exposition. That's not competence, that's the fact the writer knew the fucking absurdity of the concept and didn't know how to convey that through anything that wasn't verbal communication and characters literally telling the audience on a silver fucking platter.
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>>142837540
What I don't get is why Chidori stopped cooking his meals.
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Fuck, she's so fit.

I want to date her.
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>>142839426
Because she was retroactively un-childhood friended. That's like discovering your home field was actually another team's home ice, and you were playing the wrong sport the whole time. If you can't win, don't try. Also, they all agreed to not see each other until the summer ended so they wouldn't trigger each other.
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>>142839426
>try to confess
>ignored
>found him later hugging Sonozaki
>have her feelings laid bare by the Kizuna system against her will
>he still hasn't responded in any way
Gee I wonder why she doesn't want to see him, nevermind cook for him.
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>>142839426
Because after what had just gone down, it would have been extremely painful for her to see him again.

Same reason most of the people involved in the love polygon didn't try to make contact with each other.
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>>142840165
She knows he will starve if no one reminds him to eat. Just because he likes Sonozaki and it is probably mutual that doesn't mean Chidori should stop caring about him.

>>142840256
Silence is answer enough. He doesn't like her that way and never even heard her confession.
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>>142838925
She is not a "nice guy". She is an actual nice girl, she is not pretending to be nice to get fucked and I actually prefer Nori over her. Chidori cooked meals for Tenga and that doesn't mean she wants to fuck him too, she is just a good person.
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>>142832525

It's forced teen angst and drama, dude.

>muh suffering
>muh feelings
>muh love pentagram
>muh shipping

And so on...

I think the show failed to be interesting after the whole Kizna experiment & conspiracy became irrelevant, and it started to focus more on their personal "problems". I'd much prefer to see the big picture and not the side effects of the experiments.

The most relevant thing now is who's going to end with who. Is that really more interesting than actual plot?
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>>142840315
>never heard her confession
Worse, he ran out during it, and ran straight to the other girl. Yes, he had reasons, but from her perspective it was awful.

>>142840415
>implying people don't call nice guy / white knight on guys who aren't trying to get laid, just trying to be nice people
She's not necessarily, but most of her "did nothing wrong" defenders here are nice guys who see themselves in her, specifically the ones who say she deserves to win.

You could argue that she's been caring for the emotionless/painless version of him from lingering affection for his original form, but while there might be some of that there, I think you'r right. I think she's a genuinely pretty nice person.
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>>142840543
>I think she's a genuinely pretty nice person.
But she is leaving him to rot. She hasn't cared about anyone but herself since the beginning of the typhoon.
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>>142839175
Damn Nori-chans VA is a fucking QT.
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>>142840512
>forced teen angst drama
In a show with a premise involving people deliberately trying to cause that angst drama, which is just meta enough to be interesting, while not meta enough to be annoyingly smartass on the part of the writers.

>failed to be interesting after the conspiracy became irrelevant
Did you miss the last episode, where we actually found out a good bit about the experiment and its history?

Besides, the character drama is far more interesting than whatever plot they could have wrung out of that. Plots only happen because of decisions characters make, the plot is the character drama.

>most relevant thing now is who's going to win
Hah, the most relevant thing now is how the characters are going to manage to grow and change because of these experiences, or fail to grow and change.

Ending up with someone is just one form of romantic closure. Getting rejected is another. Carrying an unrequited torch is an active denial of resolution.

Who winds up together is just a sideshow that determines who's going to have to deal with which method of getting closure, and watching them muddle their ways through that is the interesting part of what's left.

>>142840678
>hasn't cared about anyone but herself since the beginning of the typhoon
I meant 'genuinely nice' as in she took care of him (and over the course of the show, some other people) without just an ulterior motive.

Even nice people have bad days. Make the guy who always holds the door's life shit enough, and he'll stop holding those doors for a while.

And seeing Kats after what happened would be more painful than the CIA taking off that mask.

It's not a good way of dealing with things, but it makes some sens.
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These past few episodes are probably the most I've been glued to a series on a while. This episode especially gave me some feels that have been a long time coming. This whole show has felt pretty personal to me because I can connect very strongly through current experience to the theme of emotional stuntedness.
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>>142840315
>She knows he will starve if no one reminds him to eat.
You're getting the wrong impression. It's the habit for him to expect Chidori to cook his meals because that's what she usually does, not because he's a dog or NEET like yourself and needs to be fed.
>>142840543
>most of her "did nothing wrong" defenders here are nice guys who see themselves in her
Or they're just waifufags defending their girl of choice. That's not something special, it's what all fags here do when their girl comes under fire.
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I think this is my AOTS. It could have been better, had they been more ambitious, but a cheesy teenage drama is fine too.
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>>142841395
Why was she just sulking in the corner all alone for some reason?
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>>142841427
>sulking in the corner
In the flashbacks, probably because she's feeling an ever-increasing percentage of the pain/sensations of the whole group, and is having trouble dealing with it.
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>>142841395
This show isn't my AOTS. I don't like the direction it took. I probably won't even remember it within a season or two.

And yet, this scene with Nori made me tear up. Her enthusiastically happy response as a child drastically punctuated just how much she's lost. While most of the drama falls flat for me, this was a really powerful moment.
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That moment when Katsuhira realizes all the times he's let himself get beaten up or casually breaks a bone he's actually been hurting Nori.

It hurt my insides, man.
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>>142841544
Well, there's still two episodes left, so it may change. The thing is, this is just the least bad show out of the ones that I'm watching. At least this one has Trigger animating it.

There's always the cynical teacher to convey the viewpoint of the viewers who're laughing at the cheesy plot.

>>142841703
She is on drugs, she's okay.
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THE ONLY CORRECT ENDING IS THAT NO ONE FINDS LOVE
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>>142840813

Sure, if you find teenage drama to be interesting. That's not my cup of tea.

And no, I haven't missed the last episode. It didn't make the present any more interesting by exposing the past. See, although now we know a bit more about the experiment, that doesn't mean that it will go any further than it already has. The story's wrapping up and it will all end in 2 episodes. That's just enough time to create closure for the characters & wrap up their individual stories. Not enough time to make the Kizna experiment any more relevant. Basically, instead of focusing on the experiment itself and how it may be used on society it became a mere tool which was used to connect these people and tell their stories.

Yes, and growing and changing will be determined by who they end up with, if anyone at all, and how that will affect them. Is your point that this is something unique and never done before, or that in this show it's done reasonably well? Please. Some characters are blatant filler, and others don't have nearly enough exposure to be interesting. Compare what we know about Niko's past to Katsuhira's & Honoka's. Not all that much. Yet Niko is now completely head over heels over Tenga, while he's obsessed with Chidori in these few months that they've been together. In fact, these feelings became so strong to warrant that scene in episode 9. I call that forced. Whereas I understand that Chidori has a past with Katsuhira which makes her pain more believable and realistic. See how Niko tried to be strong and get over her rejection, yet Chidori still can't manage that? Was that whole "we can't be friends" bit even necessary if it became completely irrelevant in the next episode? Call it part of growing up, I call it a waste of time.
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>>142841899
Oh, it's you again.

This might not be the show for you, but that doesn't mean it does what it's doing badly.
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>>142842021
He's right, though.
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>>142841703
It was made pretty clear she's sedated to the point of utter numbness like Kacchon. Which is exactly what makes him realize how terrible his and her own distanced numb state is, as it's the first time he can directly sympathize with a person. He completely failed to reciprocate any level of feeling and emotion in the Chidori incident, and so he knows just how hard it must be for Nori as well, to live her entire life like that. When he meets the broken Kizuna-children, and his memories come flooding back, he feels something for the first time in a long time (hence the brute cries of pain - he doesn't know how to cry).
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>>142835674
Wait for her to sort it out with Kacchon and then bang her, that's how.

He's not getting the rejection because he's pretty blind himself.
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tfw when Tenga claimed about wanting to beat up Sonozaki he was doing it through Kachon this whole time.

When Kachon realized that Sonozaki was taking his pain since they were kids he subjected her to the bullies at the beginning as well as a moving Semi-truck.

Since she probably has a lot of his emotions too she can probably tell his interest or disinterest in Chidori wax and wane over the past years.

Show deserves atleast 1 rewatch after it ends.
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>>142842021

You believe that the whole love pentagram was a good thing, don't mind how completely irrelevant Hisomu has been after all that effort taken to introduce him and make him part of the group, and certainly Honoka being the one to say that they can't be friends made the most sense to you, I suppose (disregarding the fact that she's on neutral to good terms with most of them, especially those outside of the love pentagram, and really doesn't need to distance herself from the WHOLE group), whereas I believe that's bullshit. We disagree and let's leave it at that. Have a nice day.
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>>142842325
What a Nice Image.
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>>142842386
Took it from the thread yesterday or the day before
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Who is this rod god?
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>Nori-chan acts like a weirdo because she's high as fuck all day long

Will she survive the ending?
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>>142832803
while Chidori deserves to win more than the average childhood friend (she actually confessed) she's still mostly just whiny and annoying.
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>>142842021
If by you you mean last night's mess, I'm just going to point out that despite things being unnecessarily convoluted, they seem to be tied into the character drama sufficiently.

I agree about the character drama being unrealistically overdone as per the usual for Okada, though. That just can't be helped.
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>>142840813
>teen angst drama
From where I stand it looks like a long-winded parable about the individuality of sensations, and how it's important that everybody's feelings are their own, as shared psychological pain only leads to the development of a loop of never-ending anguish. It's a defense of introspection.

Really, it's basically just a longer version of that one arc in Kokoro Connect. What remains to be seen is whether it ends on a more pessimistic or optimistic opinion of the fact that every man is an island.
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>>142844800
>yfw you wanted Nori to secretly be Kacchon's sister and for them to have an incest end

It was a pipe dream, but it still hurts. If she doesn't at least win I'm going to riot though.
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>>142844029
She's the unfortunate childhood friend, she's kill.
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Kiznaiver experimented to have thousands of members from episode 1, only seen 3 members so far.
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>>142835967
it's because whiteknights here and everywhere else piss us off and we have to defend our not-shit taste.
she's an abusive selfish bitch. if you think she's perfect wife material and why??then you're just a cuck who deserves all vitrol.
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>>142845131
all that cast drama really turned me off to the show
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>>142839840
I don't understand her character at all.
>I feel really bad about ruining a lot of kids lives. Oh well, lets try the same shit with teenagers.

She didn't even act like she had any doubts or qualms about the experiment until the previous episode. This is the woman who pulled out a machine gun in a goddamn arcade to intimidate two kids and force them to have the operation done. And now she was a repentant sinner all along?
What the fuck, Okada?
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>>142845874

Her Nori chan obsession is forced just as much as her intentions to do the experiment.

Also remember her edgy phase early on with the experiment with those two students? Still haven't gotten an explanation on the massive character shift to a passive nanny to Nori chan
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>>142839309
They all look like the characters they play. Kinda uncanny.
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Is it me, or all the girls in Kiznaiver are extremely qt 10/10 waifu material?
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>>142846128
I disagree, but my dick agrees with you. It's complicated. All of them give me a boner except Nori-chan who also gives me a massive heartboner.
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>>142846128
They're all cute except for the lesbian.
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>>142833026
Kek'd audibly
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These guys would probably be better off being euthanised if there's no hope of recovery.

Would fixing Sonozaki help these guys? They seem pretty far gone.
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>>142846690

One of them was eating chips, so he was at least salvageable imho.

>Would fixing Sonozaki help these guys?

Who knows, the science in this show is bullshit.
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>>142846690
Killing one of them would presumably kill everyone in the network based on the original premise, since Kats supposedly survived his lethal injuries because both pain and damage were spread around. However, we didn't know about Nori at the time and as the show went on it seemed more and more like only the sensation was shared, until they do a complete U-turn and explain that it really is just the sensation.

Not really sure at this point. I don't think the plot hole matters much, since the whole point was to share emotions and thoughts, but it is still a problem.
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>>142840836
Not the biggest fan of these type of shows, but I'm glad I didn't drop this. It's not perfect, but been pretty entertaining so far.

>>142841395
Much easier to watch cheesy teenage drama when you're almost a decade past it, for me at least.
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>>142832525
>the show is competently written
Are you fucking kidding me? It already god damn collapses on itself from the premise alone, entirely undermining everything that has transpired in the show. I at least thought Okada was barely decent at worldbuilding but this show completely proved me wrong. Holy shit.

It looks nice though.
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>659 BD
>657 DVD
And so during the first week, one of the few series this season backed heavily by Aniplex, Kiznaiver's first volume sells a combined total of 1300~.

>Olay Olay Olay Olay

FLOP FLOP FLOP

FLOP FLOP FLOP
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>>142847107
(You)
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>>142847107
Stalker thread is that way anon.
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>>142847107
At least the nips have finally wisened up to Okada's bullshit.
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>>142847062
Yeah I don't think "having a masterfully constructed plot" is one of the top reasons to watch this.

At least Trigger has been pretty good with the animation.
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>>142847107
Not surprising. Really have to be a fuggen retard to fall for Ogata's shit this many times. Will say anohana was worse tho.
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>>142832525
>hey Chidori, just reject me, I just want to shave this whole love thing off
>ARE YOU SAYING THAT I WILL BE ABLE TO UNDERSTAND OTHER PEOPLE'S FEELINGS BETTER IF I DO THAT
>uh, no I'm not, what the fuck
>THAT'S RIDICULOUS! I WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO UNDERSTAND OTHERS EVEN WITH THE KIZNA!
>what
Did Chidori have a seizure in this scene or I missed something?
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>>142847257
Okada really doesn't deserve all the hate she gets. She's not the best writer ever but not nearly as bad as some triggered /a/utists make her out to be.
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>>142846901
>Much easier to watch cheesy teenage drama when you're almost a decade past it, for me at least.
Maybe you're right. I'm still 25 years old NEET, though.
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>>142847323
It's just a meme anon, don't take it too seriously.
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>>142847198

They always have. If you look at the shows she's worked on, Okada actually wasn't the main proponent as to why those shows sold well. In fact, on average the amount of original shows she has done haven't really had respectable sales. I mean fuck even the nips themselves always joke around with her writing.
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>>142847290

Better yet.

>Tenga: Dammit Kacchon you emo faggot run after her
>Kacchon: Okay.
>Chidori: Hug me....please hug me\
>*Kacchon hugs her*
>Chidori: Get away from me and stop hugging me
>Kacchon: Wtf
>Tenga: You fucking bastard *beats the shit out of Kacchon

I blame it on Okada's writing

>>142847323

With writing like this, no she is to blame.
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>>142847382
That made sense because they were in hormone overdose/ they weren't exactly sane, so they acted irrationally and on whatever they were feeling at the moment.
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>>142847416

Dumbest explanation of terrible writing I ever seen.

Is Okada paying you under the table to write shit like this?
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>>142847382
>Chidori: Hug me....please hug me\
>*Kacchon hugs her*
>Chidori: Get away from me and stop hugging me
>Kacchon: Wtf

If you really didn't understand that scene you might be socially handicapped.
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>>142847452
Not him, but I am, actually, socially handicapped and indeed didn't understand that scene. Mind to explain it to me?
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>>142847382
Protip:women literally never know what they want,much less they actually say it.
Chidori clearly wanted more than just a hug from Kacchon.
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>>142847525
Alright, here's the most detailed explanation I can come up with.

Chidori, who is romantically interested in Kacchon, saw him genuinely hugging Noriko in a heartfelt way.

Emotionally hurt, she fleed the scene. Kacchon was obliged to chase her by Tenga. Despite Chidori was indeed thinking "please hug me", she wanted him to hug her in an equally genuine, heartfelt way.

Kacchon, like the autist he is, doesn't think twice and just hugs her out of pity, simply because she wanted him to, but does so without any emotional value, it's a simple physical gesture he does because he literally has no idea what to do.

This of course does not have a positive effect on Chidori, hence why he deems him "cruel". She thinks his hug is but a mockery of the one he gave Noriko, which was instead deeply felt, and that she isn't worthy of an equally emotionally invested hug.

tl;dr women don't want EXACTLY what they say they say they want half the time, and the other half they don't even know what they want themselves.
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>>142847679
Oh. Thanks.

>disappointed.png
Hey, I already told you I can't into people.
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>>142847679

Bullshit because she doesn't know he can hear her heart. She wouldn't know if it was genuine or not.

>women don't want EXACTLY what they say they say they want half the time

How the fuck would a neet like you know that?
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>>142832525
It is one of the filthiest piles of shit I've ever watched
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>>142847713
No problem

>>142847732
>She doesn't know he can hear her heart.
Does she? Now that you made me notice she might have gone away before someone told they can all hear her heart, but even in that case, my explanation still works.

>She wouldn't know if it was genuine or not.
The entire situation makes it really clear kacchon's hug is not genuine, not to mention the whole noriko-kacchon thing chidori is so upset about.

>How the fuck would a neet like you know that?
Stop projecting, that ad hominem was totally irrelevant to the discussion.
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>>142833026
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I get the feeling she's after more than just curing herself and those veggies.

In that case fuck her, this tech is bullshit.
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>>142846252
>They're all cute except for the lesbian.

There's that disgruntle guy again
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How will Chidori get over Kacchon? It seems to me she isn't really prepared to face reality. Also why did she pin all of her hopes on being the one who knows Kacchon the most? Did she really think being his childhood friend gave her some sort of edge?
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>>142833026
now that biker can meet his waifu
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