What would anime today be like if Eva never existed?
I don't know.
>>142788920
Directors would have less freedom.
>>142788920
We wouldn't have so many faggot MCs.
>>142788920
The fuck is Eva?
>>142788920
Gunbuster was better than eva just sayin
>>142788920
Pretty much the same except no Shinji, Rei, or Kaworu clones.
>>142788920
Weird shit like Madoka Magica or Alien Nine never would've happened
Exactly the same minus a handful of Eva clones
Name tangible effects Eva had on the industry. What actually changed as a result of it?
>>142791245
Censorship. Misato depicted in an open relationship so blatantly was unheard of prior.
likely dead.
>>142791245
commercial viability to experimental anime.
There would probably have been some other big project that changed anime. It's an interesting thought but a worthless one.
>>142791402
Lol what a ridiculous fucking statement
>>142788920
Eva was predecessor of modern harem anime. So less harem anime.
Shit like Bakuretsu hunter don't go to the shitty evangelion final in their anime adaptation.
>>142791751
Explain. Who would've funded Bebop or Lain. Why would Ikuhara think it would be possible for success from making utena, why would any one fund the countless originals in it's wake if it wasn't the huge economic success it was.
>>142791751
He's not wrong, before Eva most original/experimental anime were limited to movies and ovas with the exception of strong franchises like gundam and macross.
Eva being a success showed tv shows could find success without having to rely on a manga or LN for source material.
NGE was responsible for 20 years of tsundere domination. Would archetypes itself have been so prominent if there wasn't Asuka and Rei to base a couple of the most frequent varieties directly off of?
>>142791824
No it wasn't.
>>142791975
No, it wasn't.
You faggots need to watch Anime older than Eva before you say retarded shit like this.
>>142788920
Like shit.
Oh wait, so actually nothing changed.
>>142788920
Good.
>>142788920
If I'm not wrong, Eva helped form some of the more popular character archetypes to this day, correct?
>>142793214
Only the kuudere archetype.
>>142789686
oh senpai its the best anime ever you have to see it.
Why do people like this entry-level toonami shit?
>>142793382
And the faggy protagonist archetype. I still feel like no other anime did that right after eva
>>142793534
thats probably because you've either: A) Started watching anime 5 years ago B) Havent seen more than 300 anime.
>>142793596
>A) Started watching anime 10 years ago
>B) Havent seen more than 300 anime.
Both are right, now. But Shinji is the only one that feels real. Would you tell about others?
>>142793596
>Havent seen more than 300 anime.
How is that a fucking argument? I know a guy who deliberately looks at MAL's ranking below 3000th place and watches every harem he can find, he has more than 500 probably. He's dumb as rocks and doesn't know shit about anime.
>>142788920
What did Eva influence directly?
>=>142791876
>Lain
Considering it looked like it had a tiny budget, and that it sold <1K (admittedly, late 90s standards were much lower, but that's still nothing impressive), I don't exactly think anyone was leaping to fund it to exploit that huge NGE market. Key the Metal Idol is also pretty similar to Lain and aired right before NGE, which seems like evidence against Lain's unfundability.
>Bebop
Almost didn't get made anyway. A different Bandai division stepped in to rescue it after the first one dropped it because it wouldn't sell enough toys, and then they initially ran it with a bunch of cuts because they thought it wouldn't fly as Watanabe had made it, and only ran it uncut on a private channel after the initial broadcast did so poorly they had to cancel it.
>Utena
No one wanted to fund it anyway, that's why Ikuhaa was the fucking producer. Ikuhara specifically left Toei and Sailor Moon and made Be-Papas because they weren't giving him the creative autonomy he wanted. He also didn't believe that Utena would be a success, and because he had to take a big financial gamble to make it, he wasn't sure if he could even finish it, or if his career would continue afterward.
In shot, all three were troubled productions with minimal corporate backing and low expectations (and in at least one case, low performance). Not strong evidence for NGE making people willing to take the plunge on this sort of stuff, I'd say.
>>142793534
What about FLCL?
Literally the same
The only reason the industry changed from what it was in the 80s and early 90s is because of the move to latenight.
Yamato is an example of a show which actually had an impact on what was being produced.
>>142794979
You do know that the important creatives in all these shows have gone on to make more experimental and original shows right?
Nobody in Japan even saw Evangelion until 2003
>>142794354
>>142788920
The studios that basically splintered off Gainax would probably never formed. no Trigger, Gonzo, Khara/Animator expo (new animators spotlighted because of it)
>>142794354
A few Anime and video games. Nothing major.
>>142795243
Yes, obviously, but I don't see how that's relevant when the topic at hand is NGE's supposed influence on the perceived commercial viability of such works.
>>142794979
Fuck. >>142791876
>>142795329
But Gonzo was founded before NGE was even in production.
A lot less shitty exposition
Better, fuck eva the cancer that fucked anime.
>>142795329
Gonzo would exist, and the only reason Trigger would not is if Gainax hadn't made anything profitable in NGE's place and went under.
>>142796202
>if Gainax hadn't made anything profitable in NGE's place and went under.
Which was exactly what would have happened if not for Eva.
>>142795688
It didn't change their commercial viability. But it changed their perceived commercial viability.
>>142788920
>Animu never enters the midnight anime otaku zone
Osomatsu wouldn't be fujo and we would have a proper Sally the Witch 50th anniversary anime.
Less try hard shit, more honest and chill animu
Thanks Anno
There would be no Rahxephon
>>142788920
Everyone would have masturbate to Gurren Lagann and an influx of TTGL inspired anime would prevade the industry.
Anno only magnum opus would've been Nadia.
>>142789803
gunbuster is overrated.
>>142796419
Are you retarded? Nadia made them plenty.
>>142796419
Did you miss "if they hadn't made anything profitable in NGE's place"? This is a hypothetical situation, so we don't know what they would have done instead of NGE.
>>142796438
You say that, but as I pointed out, all the examples that guy gave had very little confidence from their creators/backers in their commercial viability.
>>142796574
There probably would, it'd just be Raideen and something else instead of Raideen and NGE.
>>142797236
But they still got made. That's the point, it doesn't matter if it was the decision of a margin.
>>142788920
EVA was hugely popular back in the day. It doesn't mean it had a large influence on anime being made.
Look at haruhi for example. It was huge as well. Other than otaku culture and the like, there wasn't much direct influence on actual anime being made. Madoka too.
EVAfags like to believe their favorite show defined and made anime today despite all the cliches and tropes were already in use at the time and were a thing before EVA was even made.
>>142797300
But Utena demonstrably got made with no expectation of commercial success, Lain seems unlikely to have had any expectation of commercial success, and Bebop was broadcasted in fucking different form because they didn't think it coudl have commercial success as it was. I see literally no evidence other than "NGE WAS HUGELY INFLUENTIAL, MAN" to suggest that NGE boosting peceived commercial viability had anything to do with these three being made.
>>142797397
>haruhi
>no influence
You do know why the LN boom happened. Right?
>>142797531
Adapting anime from LNs was nothing new.
>>142797597
I know that. But there is a reason the quantity and percentage of anime based off of LNs exploded.
>>142797648
I'm not autistic enough to go look this shit up, but if you look at charts and calculate the percentages of shows adapted from LNs, manga, etc. They wouldn't be so far off as they are now.
>>142797707
Before and after haruhi there exists a massive difference.
>>142789107
>All rehashes of Eva charcters types
>Less fredom
>>142788920
Anybody have a link to that song that was like 3 black dudes singing Shinji Get in the Robot?
>>142788920
Less pretentious fanbase.
>>142788920
The same, minus the Rei clones, although I'm certain the Asuka-esque archetype would be even more prevalent to make up for it.
Every thread, until youshave it
>>142788920
More or less the same.
It made some of the cancer that is today: Faggot MC's that are faggots for the sake of it, bitchy "tsunderes" that everybody fucking likes, can't complain too much about the Rei clones. Thing about Shinji and Asuka is, they had their reasons for being like they are. What fucking reason did that faggot from Mirai Nikki or Rie Tsundere #4201337 have? Or even the other faggot from Accel World?
>>142788920
There wont be any Reifags, which is a good thing. But also one of my favorite animus will be gone.
>>142798818
especially rei, that quiet, mesterious but capable character type would not be anywhere near as popular if it weren't for eva
>>142807655
>mesterious
excuse me while I kms
>>142793596
>haven't seen more than 300 anime
You're disgusting.
>>142803398
>The girls aren't shown shaving pubes
we wouldn't have the cry then mastubate type MC
>>142797397
If it weren't for Haruhi we would have a lot less shitty LN adaptations.
Madoka single-handedly managed to ruin the whole Mahou Shoujo genre.
>>142788920
much worse
