Wow.... This episode.
I was really skeptical about this arc at the beginning, thought Goku couldn't possibly make an intimidating villain. Boy was I wrong, what an amazing start, this feels like DBZ all over again. Black Goku is really frightening, the stakes are high, people are dying and the animation is on point. The hype is real.
What's your opinion /a/?
>>142756386
it subbed yet?
Unsubbed didnt impress me much.
Wait, Goku's evil now? What's going on?
![[SOFCJ-Raws] Dragon Ball Super - 047 (THK 1280x720 x264 AAC).webm](https://i.imgur.com/Q5jc6ZA.jpg "[SOFCJ-Raws] Dragon Ball Super - 047 (THK 1280x720 x264 AAC).webm")
>>142756665
Why didn't Trunks turn super saiyan?
>>142756496
adds more gritty, spic dubs are up
>>142756726
budget reasons
>>142756665
>Toei actually decided to put some money into this
Nice
>>142756752
>budget reasons
Don't be retarded
>>142756581
Goku a black now
>>142756386
Wasn't a fan of the Beerus scenes.
http://www.strawpoll.me/10462144
>>142756726
Since it's evil goku he could probably transform as well, it's not like he really screwed up by not doing it.
>>142756796
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjXt4Fg9664
>>142756829
>Black
>Therefore evil
That's racist.
>>142756581
Something is possessing Goku's body and he's hardcore.
>Black
>Has same voice as Goku
That´s grown up fucking Goten.
>you will never protect Future Bulma from Black Goku
>you will never marry her afterwards
>you will never live happily with your new wife and her son and rebuild the future
>>142756922
even if you were there you don't have the power to do any of that shit, you are just a human
>>142756916
Did goten even exist in that timeline?
>evaporating Future Bulma just like that
Why
>>142756922
>Never live with your wife and her son.
>>142756829
We WUZ GOKU N SHIET
>>142756922
>your new wife and her son
>literally wife's son
>>142756983
Because there's not enough future Trunks suffering.
>>142756965
No, going by his age he was conceived right before the cell games happened. The heart virus took Goku out a few years prior.
>>142756386
>Goku from another dimension
>Goku backstabbed everyone
Make your bets fellow lads
>>142756922
>you will never get killed by Vegeta after he gets resurrected by the Super Dragon Balls and takes his wife back
>Kill Trunks' mother
>Introduce his new qt3.14 waifu and have them share a tender moment
>Kill her right after
Fucking brutal. I wouldn't be surprised if next episode Goku Black kills the cat as well.
Why isn't future Mai an old woman?
>>142757327
>feels like DBZ all over again
I hate Z fans
>>142757201
Goku and a Kaioshin from one of the universes destroyed by Zen'o mentioned in this episode (with the assumption that there used to be three identical universes per group, rather than only two, with the 6 destroyed ones leaving then pairs of identical universes.
Literally Android arc all over again
People hate on Golden Frieza and Beerus but love this shit?
>>142757327
Considering they're kids in the main timeline and didn't know about the upgraded dragon they had to have made their wish before kami merged with piccolo, going with that reasoning they could of got their wish for youth in trunks timeline before the androids murdered everything.
>>142757422
It is not like the Android arc at all. Some would even say it is the reverse.
>Even the villains are now Goku
this is just completely boring
>>142757422
>hate on Beerus
speak for yourself
Gonna need some webms over here
Fuck it, you got me. Around what episode does Resurrection F end, and do I need to know anything about Fat Beerus and Girl Whis that happens within that time frame?
>>142756983
http://imgur.com/WKS2MeG
that's pretty brutal
>>142757327
fucking hell the same fucking question all week
the pilaf gang got the wish that turned them into babies in a peaceful time around the cell games, something similar but not eaxctly the same happened in trunks timeline
MAI IS ALIVE
SHE'S IN THE OP, THERE'S NO WAY THEY'D DO THAT IF SHE WAS DEAD
SHE WAS JUST KNOCKED OUT
STOP SAYING SHE'S DEAD
>>142757422
>People hate on Golden Frieza and Beerus
Fuck off the movies were great it's the Super(Toei) recaps that sucked.
>>142757422
Everyone fucking loves Beerus.
>>142757531
Shes fuckin dead compadre
>>142757531
Yeah sure, she's alivein flashbacks.
>>142757518
Holy shit. Trunks will really need counseling after this.
>>142757531
Currently she is in a Quantum State where she is both alive and dead until her fate is revealed in the next episode.
>>142757531
I would laugh my ass off if she's gone from the OP next episode.
Future Mai is not DEAD. Get over it faggots. She will come back literally the next episode.
>>142757519
But no Dragonballs in that timeline anon?
>>142756581
Goten went evil
It's been bothering me, but why don't we get subs on the day it airs? Why is it always two days off?
His was just doing his job.
He did nothing wrong.
Was Gohan in this episode? Where my Gohanfags at?
>>142757614
They made their wish before everyone was offed by 17 and 18.
>>142757602
>I would laugh my ass off if she's gone from the OP next episode.
I get the feeling that's exactly what's gonna happen.
>>142757646
Wait, so he became the god of destruction in that universe?
wow trunks cant even get revenge on his own, he has to rely on vegeta and goku to do it
>>142757628
Cause muricans dont give a shit about DB in general
is it me or is goku black like really really "slim", he lost a ton of weight...
>>142756665
Sound version over here >>1127301
>>142757614
it was before piccolo and kami died as i said during a fucking peaceful time when no one was using the dragon balls
>>142757602
>The arc is that much despair it goes onto a meta level and crushes the hopes of maifags happy that she was going to become an important character
>>142756983
Delicious.
>>142757646
>>142757679
that doesn't make sense
he treats bulma like he's never met her and refers to trunks as a saiyan as if he isn't one
more than likely this is some goku being controlled by someone else
He honestly doesn't deserve this. He doesn't even have any dragonballs to revive best bulma
>>142757701
Then where's Pilaf and the other guy?
>>142757494
Episode 27 is the end of RF. Champa and Vados have a couple teaser appearances before then but they're still properly introduced in episode 28
>>142757766
What do you think the super dragon balls are for?
Goku was the only good Saiyan from the prime unvierse, right? And Vegeta fought that other Saiyan from the dimension where Saiyans are a race of heroes. What if this Goku is the only evil Saiyan from that universe?
>>142757652
Maybe they are at the therapist talking about their daddy issues.
>>142757766
>Losing your mother and your waifu in the same day.
>>142757769
probably dead
>>142757565
Need more of this
>>142757727
>and refers to trunks as a saiyan as if he isn't one
>yfw he's a sort of cell like android built by the tsufurujin
>it's baby all over again
>>142757554
I've seen some people who hate him. They are the lowest form of Z fan
>>142757834
I want Black to shit on his mouth and piss over his body. I want Black to keep Trunks alive and force him to watch as he kill every remaining survivor in his time, destroy earth and then destroy all the other planets.
When Universe 7 is ashes then Trunks will have Black's permission to die.
Whatever Black is it's not any sort of Goku, he doesn't speak anything like Goku and refers to saiyans like as if he wasn't one.
>>142757727
dude it's fucking goten
>>142757766
Do the namek dragon balls just not exist in this timeline for some convenient reason? Did Bulma just not know the location of it? Cause I always felt like that was kind of a plot hole.
Pretty sure New Namek should still be a thing.
>>142757893
beerus is shit.
>>142757899
For you.
>>142757727
>>142757727
he can't sense blacks ki either though, and it could be because god ki
>>142757766
Is he okay?
>>142757766
>that way to dissolve things
You know who else can do that? Beerus.
Goku must be possessed by some God of Destruction or some shit.
>>142757924
>dude it's fucking goten
Fuck off with that stupid theory
>>142757813
Oh yeah we have those
>>142757970
dude it doesnt look anything like goku
>>142757899
Careful anon, don't cut yourself. That edge is sharp.
>>142757766
And yet Yamchafags are going to cry about how unfair his life is.
beerus is the best character in super
but black goku just doesn't seem like something toriyama would create
i think tori is being corrupted by that guy who drew dragon ball af and now that he draws super he wants tori to make one of his oc canon
>>142756752
Anon where can I find this spanish subs?
>>142756386
What was the liquid future trunks had on him?
>>142758029
Fuel for Time machine.
Black goku is clearly Goten
Goku is long dead in this timeline
There's no way Goku could have time travelled and there's no reason why he would be evil and he's not being mind controlled
fuck off
>>142757646
He does look kind of scarry.
>>142758029
Fuel for the time machine. Future Bulma was only able to make enough for a 1 way trip.
>>142758029
>time machine fuel
i just checked in my subs
>>142758009
Toriyama didn´t write this arc script
>>142758009
It doest matter if he is being an arrogant fuck, a bro or being teased by Wiss, Beerus never fails to amuse me
trunks still has to get to the time machine so hopefully he gets a good showing
>>142758125
Yes he did retard.
>>142758060
Fuck off you theory is shit
>>142758009
I like how they were eating giant bowls of ramen while they then show the future timeline eating cat food.
>>142758171
yes and what is your theory you fucking cuck
>>142758203
Thatit's not fucking Goten.Dumbass
>>142757531
Fuck you waifu fags. That was a classic dead scene. Got my hopes down when I saw her in the opening, but I am glad they killed her off in the first episode as I had predicted. What was she going to do anyway? She already felt like a drag the little time we saw her.
>>142758264
Yes
WHY yes
YES IT IS
BECAUSE ITS THE ONLY LOGICAL EXPLANATION
FUCKING KEK
>>142758060
What if Dead Goku body is taken by an evil kaioshen?
Black ki in preview though...
>people think FT will survive this arc
>not realizing he will die to get kid trunks to man the fuck up
>>142758294
Goten never existed because Goku died before he had him in Future Trunks timeline.
>>142758348
says who????
>>142756386
I dont give a fuck about Mai or Goten or baby Trunks so I hope the opening isnt a sign that theyll have lots of screen time.
>>142758348
Ignore the retard
>>142757899
So much edge. I wish I was as cool as you.
>>142758346
>get kid trunks to man the fuck up
yes please, i don't want to see kid trunks ending up as gt trunks
>>142756831
Beerus was the best part of the episode.
>>142758346
That or join the Time Patrol.
The people complaining about waifufags are just as bad as the waifufags if not worse. Do they not realize whee they are?
I hope the next super saiyan level is black as well
I'm sick of these stupid neon hair colours
>>142757928
Beerus (and Champa) are the only good things about this reboot so far.
let's face it /a, this was good.
>>142758315
Universe 6 Goku / Goten maybe?
Chichi could had been pregnant before even knowing she was with goten already. Might be even enough time to develop a baby before being killed.
Allowing a young baby to get kidnapped and trained for evil? OR manipulated in some way to be turn into that.
>>142758507
it's clearly goten and not goku. no troll or bait
>>142757906
I don't know, I'm leaning towards Black being an imposter as well, but he still possibly could be an alternate version of Goku. Goku grew up never knowing he was a Saiyan, and when other Saiyans arrived on Earth he was initially resistant to the idea he was the same as them. As exceedingly unlikely as it is, Goku Black could possibly have never learned he was a Saiyan, or if he knows then maybe he has some sort of superiority complex and considers himself more than just a Saiyan: similar to Vegeta's 'lower-class vs. Saiyan elite' thing. Trunks couldn't sense his ki, so it's likely Black has god ki or something: I could see them going for the "you're just a Saiyan, but I'm a god" angle.
Whatever it is, I think it's hard to really make a judgement call at this stage. If this actually is an alternate universe counterpart of Goku, then the life he must've led would be so vastly different to the original Goku's that you can't really make any assumptions about his history or personality by using the original Goku as a point of reference.
>>142758029
Whis semen
Bulma jerked him for one year, but he can collect much because Whis is a ragging faggot
>>142758483
I thought I was going to hate Beerus at first glance but seeing him in action I realize I was a fool. He's totally the best thing to come out of all of this.
goten confirmed
>>142758551
Salsa?
>>142758507
In universe 6 the Saiyans never left planet Salad and conquered the Tuffle homeworld so the planet Vegeta never came to be as it was in universe 7.
So none of the universe 7 Saiyans were ever born. And that means Goten too.
>>142758507
Goten doesnt even exist in that timeline retard
So they made Future trunks come back just to job and fail at protecting?
What the fuck
So, anyone here think that the new Kaioshin is a future Universe 7 Supreme Kai potara fused with a Kaio from Universe 6?
Would explain the green skin.
>>142758028
http://jkanime.net/dragon-ball-super/47/
This eye animation was so fast I thought it was an animation mistake.
>>142757906
Still leaning on the Demigra posssessed Goku theory.
>>142756983
Out of the frying pan and into the fire.
>>142758668
Poor Mai. She was so cute.
>>142757646
>>142758677
Question is, how did Demigra get Goku's body? In Future Trunks' timeline, Goku is long dead from his heart virus.
>>142756386
Is that a potara earring?
Does that mean we might see an evil Vegetto or a new fusion form as the final boss for this arc?
>>142758677
But goku's body is no more.
>>142758752
Shu was cute too and I dont see anyone crying over him.
>>142758507
This does look like Goten, his frame is too slim to be Goku even if fused with an evil entity, question is how did Goten get so OP and Evil
>>142757652
Gohan was in this episode the best he has ever been in Super so fara flashback of his fight with Cell
>>142758507
goku lost some weight
black is literally ssg-tier slim. could this mean something?
If goku and vegeta are needed. Than Trunks will probably not get much of a fight.
>>142758612
to make him suffer.
beating the andriods and cell has now become pretty meaningless too because nothing is left
>>142758668
Yeah, they should have just had her turn her head from left to right. This just looks awkward.
>>142758814
Maybe he's that strong and has some sort of similar form? In this episode Mai asked Trunks if he could sense his ki and trunks said no.
>>142758612
He's Cell tier at best, so of course he'd job
>>142756581
Oh god no... it's Baby again... even though GT universe was destroyed by the retcon Baby survived and found a way into Super!!
Now that's scary...
>>142758814
>black is literally ssg-tier slim. could this mean something?
trunks couldn't sense his Ki, right? might have god ki then
>>142758532
Black speaks in a grandiose way is what I should of said originally, whoever he is he's full of himself that much is for sure.
>>142758632
interesting theory
but why would he need to fuse maybe supreme kai is going to be the first one to encounter black so he and a green kaio are going to try to stop him
but of cuourse it will not be enough so they will have to fuse just to be able to escape
>>142756922
>My wife's son
>>142758785
>question is how did Goten get so OP
Goten is a prodigy. He learned Super Saiyan training with Chi-chi. Trunks had state of the art training equipment and trained with Vegeta from time to time.
>>142758891
He's not in a god form, and the rest of the Z Fighters can sense Goku's Ki when he's not transformed.
>>142758888
Bebi to make Dragon Ball Great Again
>>142758785
>>142758814
SSJB and Saiyan beyond God don't have that physical difference, though: just the original Super Saiyan God, and it didn't look like Black was in that form. To be honest, looking at him I was more reminded of Teen Goku than anything else. Maybe he's just much younger?
Wow Trunks is gonna get help from pasts bulma to obtain more combustible.
It's a shame Mai and Bulma had to die.
>>142756386
Why didn't Trunks go Super Saiyan?
Alright, time to come up with a crackpot theory:
When Beerus revived U6's earth using the Super Dragon Balls, since they're the SUPER Dragon Balls, his wish wound up also reviving Universe 6's earth in the future from Trunk's timeline.
Whoever Black is, it's not actually Goku. However, because of the potara earring, its possible that he fused himself with low class Saiyans of U6 to get strength boosts and growth potentials that Saiyans are known for, since there are none in U7 besides Trunks (and arguably, Tarble). It's canonically stated that low class Saiyans don't have that many different looks/hairstyles (see: Turles, Bardock), hence why Black looks like Goku.
The green Kaioshin is U7's Supreme Kai, who has potara fused with a green Kaio from U6, in order to try and stop Goku Black. He'll come into play later when Goku and Vegeta return with Trunks to the future to stop Goku Black.
>>142757518
I'm really confused. What's that black figure left standing after she fades away?
>>142758834
They need a Super Saiyan Blue Trunks for this. Vegeta keeps getting ridiculed, and he proabaly won't be getting any glory anytime soon.
Why were they eating cat food?
>>142757646
>mfw goku and black never appear at the same time
>black is actually main timeline goku using time powers he stole from the time kai
>goku is mad because he is never recognized for his efforts
>nobody cared who he was until he put on the black
>>142759066
Same reason Max was eating it in Road Warrior.
Nothing else out there.
>>142758962
>Maybe he's just much younger
So either a cloned goku who was raised from a baby for the past 17 years, or an illegitimate child of goku's? Something along those lines maybe
>>142759011
>goes to past
>teaches present bulma how to time machine
>goes back just before black kills mom with goku/vegeta
>trunks fuses with himself with earrings
>asspull fight ensues of Black vs double Trunks
His fine as fuck though.
>>142758954
gt was in one of the 6 universes that Zeno destroyed went he got mad
>the only ones that survived were gt goku because he became an spirit by the end of gt and bebi because he is a parasyte
>gt goku was already mad about the destruction of his universe,bebi found him corrupted him and took control of his mind
>>142759066
It wasn't cat food, they were happy because they actually found people food for once.
>>142759106
hang on lads, is this worth watching or not?
>>142759037
>t's canonically stated that low class Saiyans don't have that many different looks/hairstyles
I thought that was just Toei filler? Didn't Dragon Ball Minus say that Bardock's hairstyle was extremely rare?
>>142759066
Is this a real question anon, is it?
Are they still doing the movie timeline? Or are they not doing any more after Resurrection F.
Would like to see this done in a movie.
>>142759066
Because you touch yourself at night.
Trunk's future world is fucked to shit, so maybe canned food was all that was readily available. Doesn't mai state that it's not cat/dog food?
>>142759124
That implies they have eaten dog/cat food before though.
>>142759037
Sounds nice on paper but knowing toriyama, it's probably way more simple than that
>>142759105
>that's not how the time machine works
>he can only go to another timeline he can't alter things that already happened in his timeline
>>142759142
Who says present bulma can't asspull her own time machine to save them?
>>142759060
>Do the Super Saiyan God ritual for Trunks
>Send him back to his timeline
>Problem solved
>came for the hot Mai ass
>Mai dies after not even 5 minutes of screen time
at least we have loli
>>142759147
In a world as fucked to shit as that in which you may not live the next day I'd take anything I could get.
>>142759127
This episode alone was worth it. I'd say go for it anon.
>>142759128
>"In the Dragon Ball Z: Anime Film Comics, it is stated that the reason why Turles and Goku look alike is because the facial patterns of each warrior are similar within the low-rank Saiyans."
In the Dokkan Battle mobile phone game, the same was alluded to.
>>142759147
When the world becomes an apocalyptic nightmare you take what you can get.
>>142759191
because the time machines work in multuiverse theory
only kami of time could help him
but she is not canonyet
>>142759196
>Problem solved
It doesn't solve anything. Everyone's still dead in his timeline.
Subs fucking when?
>>142759263
Good, they dont have to put up with Super anymore.
>>142759215
I've been avoiding it like the plague. Thought it was even worse than DBGT tbqh, but fuck, I'm excited for some reason. I'm scared too. I don't want to become invested and get fucking porked.
>>142759205
Loli Mai will heal future Trunks. Since present Mai and Trunks only got together in the movies Future Trunks will snatch loli Mai before present Trunks even had a chance.
>>142759251
Toriyama stated that time travel will get wonky in this arc and just to go with it. I wouldn't rule out present bulma pulling some nonsense to save them before they die. Or even bring their dragonballs to Trunks' timeline.
>Future Mai features prominently on promotional material
>Future Mai features prominently on the OP
>People connected with the show talk about "Mai's big role"
>She eats cat food then Goku kills her
Bravo Toriyama. I'm sure child Mai will be around a lot more, though. Here's hoping for PTSD grieving Trunks that is constantly flashing back to the times he spent with his qt3.14 pure waifu.
>>142759037
Wait, doesn't Vegeta have a brother and sister in law?
>>142759036
Why would he if goku is stronger anyway?
>>142759280
they are already here amigo
>>142759314
What the fuck was Mai gonna do anyway? Theres much better anime than Super for worthless eyecandy.
>>142756386
>the animation is on point
no
>>142759314
>Waifufaggots are this butthurt
Based Toriyama
So now that DBS is Edgy as fuck how are Superfags gonna insult people who don't like it?
Wake me up when he comes to kill "Goku" Black
>>142759355
Maybe she could be there so that Future Trunks could be happy. But I don't think that's going to be happening anytime soon.
>>142759375
That is a pretty rad color scheme
>>142758677
Demigra is Chi Chi though.
>>142759355
I don't think there's ever been a point where a woman has fought side-by-side with a man in Dragonball since the original. Having Mai actually doing shit, and using those guns alongside Trunks would have been great.
>>142756386
loved it. ISIS Goku will save DB
>>142759375
Why would Gogeta have Whis's symbol on his clothes? The fusion makes the clothes.
What if Black Goku is his universe's God of Destruction?
>>142759037
but at the end of the apisode black said something like
today you die sayajin
so it is obviously a creation from a race that hates the sayajins and you know what that means
>>142757646
>mfw he looks taller and skinnier than goku
just like evil ppl in real life
>>142756665
It's like a knight fighting the sky. so cool
>>142759434
>Black is actually Frieza possessing Goku's body
>>142759410
>Screams throughout the timelines, targeting Saiyans, shouting "DELINQUENTS" when she inevitably finds them being fighting autists like Goku
>>142759429
Doesn't explain the ear ring. That ear ring black goku is wearing is what all supereme kais wear. Seems like evil kai got gokus body.
After 46 episodes of literally pure shite, we finally get something interesting in super.
>>142759355
Kill Goku, of course.
>>142759463
just google watch dbz super
>>142756665
WAIT HOL UP
SO U SAYIN TORYIAMA FORGOT THAT TRUNKS AND KID TRUNKS ARE BASICALLY THE SAME PERSON
IF NOT Y THEY GOT TWO DIFFERNT HAIR COLORS
It's raditz
>>142759375
It will be Vegito not Gogeta, he doesn't exist in the canon universe.
>>142759410
I hate how the simplistic-ass artstyle gave everyone a babyface. Chichi looks too young.
>>142759519
>the arc ends with Mai shooting Black in the back
>>142759542
Kid Trunks has Blue hair in Toriyama's art for Super. T
>>142759429
It is the same Universe but different timeline stupid.
>>142759576
dead people can't shoot
>>142759519
This. I don't get it. Why such a hard nerf? All the events of DBS coming after DBZ just feel awkward. Beerus is supposed to be stronger than Super Buu and Vegito, and Goku and Vegeta AND Frieza are now too, but it's still a big deal when a planet is going to explode?
Fucking Frieza survived the explosion of a planet when he was cut in half and blasted by Goku. When is someone gonna do something cool like waste a fucking galaxy or something? Where's the continuity?
>>142759599
She actually lived and nobody knew until the final episode where she shoots Black and saves the world.
inb4 future trunks tries to kill kid goten
>>142759576
>>142759599
while this plays in the background and the credits
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAgnJDJN4VA
>>142759622
Just like CIA.
>>142759561
I ain't got a problem with it.
So wait, Black Goku isn't Goku at all, just a guy who looks like him?
>>142759584
BUT IN THE ANIME HE GOT PURPLE
right, or did they give them matching colors now
>>142759596
The OST during this scene was great
![Cj8vXYZXEAAXH3O[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/LOZwt4c.jpg "Cj8vXYZXEAAXH3O[1].jpg")
>>142759657
Yes
>>142759657
It's Goten.
>>142759656
>it was stated by Whis that Frieza survived the planet explosion
Are you fucking kidding me? That's the fucking gayest thing ever. Why are they fucking nerfing the shit out of DragonBall? Most of the fun came from seeing how strong they were becoming.
>>142759653
Well you're watching Super, I'd imagine you don't put much stock on the visuals.
His gonna carry all that weight.
I say it's another artificial being created by the Gero machine. That's why he calls Trunks "saiajin".
It can't be Goten (wasn't even born in that timeline), it would be weird if it were Goku (he wasn't alive in that timeline).
I don't know why Toriyama said that this arc would have something to do with the kaioshins, gods of destruction and the ruler of the universes, though. And, of course, I wonder who the green guy in the opening might be.
>>142759699
There's no Goten in future Trunks' time dumbass. Goku died even before the androids showed up.
>>142759711
I just like cute Chi Chi.
>>142759694
>Those earrings
Black Goku is a fusion of folks. That, or he's waiting to forcibly fuse with someone else to get stronger.
didnt goku die in trunk's line
>>142759780
She looks 12 that's fucking awful.
>>142759761
goten was born RIGHT BEFORE LOL!
I bets its something stupid like when Goku died in the future his ki leaked out and floated off into space and fused with some wandering cloud of evil.
