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Thanks Kyoani, it was fun.
Hyouka is my favorite anime in the past 10 years right next to Nichijou, Haruhi is my favorite anime of all time. I wasn't even a KyoAni fag before realizing most of the shows I love came from them.
TYBKA
The animation is gorgeous and I still listen to the OST every now and then. Overall, a good anime, it's just that I expected the whole anthology thing to be the main plot and offer some more excitement so it kinda let me down. Still enjoyable, though.
>>142677992
Good taste.
snore
>>142677992
Okay taste but Euphonium and Clannad AS should get some love too
>>142677881
Yeah it was fu-...Zzzzzzzzzzzz
Thanks Kyoani, it was fun.
>>142679568
>MC picks himself instead of slutty bimbo
TYBKA
>>142679568
poor Mai
Hyuoka is undoubtely the best thing KyoAni has ever released. I can't believe the same people who claim Hyouka is boring can enjoy a cringeworthy snorefest such as K-On!
>>142677881
Thanks Kyoani, I slept pretty good.
>>142679035
And Tamako Love Story
>>142679781
Based MC.
>>142679939
K-on!! feels a lot more authentic than Hyouka. A bunch of friends doing the stupid shit we all did when we were teen > A bunch of friends getting super invested in cringeworthy "mysteries" as if they mattered at all.
>>142679966
>>142679161
ADHD fags in charge of shit taste as usual, I see
>>142680044
I don't get why opinions upsets you so much.
>>142680044
>liking hyouzzz
>calling others for their taste
the irony
>>142680115
>>142679966
>>142679161
Why do people say it's boring? What are you guys watching it for the plot?
>>142680075
Why does his opinion about your opinion upset you, Anon?
Hyouka has zero humour, it's not fun or even "fun".
What is this type called?
>>142680191
It's a girl
of anime variety
>>142680115
Don't insult best girl by putting her next to your shit opinions
>>142680139
Houtarou didn't accidentally bump into Chitanda and fall on her breasts within the first 5 minutes.
>>142680041
>doing the stupid shit we all did when we were teens.
I'm sure you and your fatass friends spent your teens acting like cute 2D girls, eating cake and forming a band to not play any instruments ever.
>>142680243
It's Kyoani there is no lewd. It's different.
>>142680265
>I'm sure you and your fatass friends spent your teens acting like cute 2D girls, eating cake and forming a band to not play any instruments ever.
That's true for me for the most part. The only difference is that I had no friends.
>>142680265
>acting like cute 2D girls
We weren't cute girls,2D or musicians, but we hung around and made dumb jokes the same way.
Thank you based Kyo-ZZzzzzzzzzz
>>142680212
ah the ol' vagina type
>>142677881
Literally worse than Shitdom world.
When will they surpass Hyouka?
Hibike and Tamako Love Story are the closest to its level but still so far.
Will it be Koe no Katachi? Violet Evergarden?
>>142680425
Nothing would more boring than Hyouka.
>>142680425
VEG looks like Hyouka killer
>>142677881
A good show to watch before sleep.
>>142680176
He's not the one throwing around insults.
>>142680583
You're both throwing insults 2bh
Ahh, time to post in the daily Kyoani thr-ZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzZZZZZZZZZ
Nice meme thread with meme posts, memers.
>>142680666
You'll notice that OP did not invite these people. They spammed all on their own.
>>142680322
I think you would enjoy Nichibros. It's about a group of teens hanging out and making stupid jokes, but the comedy is great.
Anyway the point of Hyuoka is absolutely different, it's not supposed to remind you of you and your group of friends. It's about this bunch of disfunctional people getting to hang out for the sake of solving trivial mysteries and how the characters interact with each other.
>>142677881
I want to rewatch Hyouka all the time but I'm afraid that it would get stale, so I try to keep it to once per year.
>>142680606
That's wrong though
>>142680583
>I come on 4chan to discuss my opinions in a calm and civilised manner. I shouldn't be insulted for them!
ok
>>142680942
I rewatched it 13 times this year. Maybe it's time to stop.
>>142681200
Chitanda butt.
>>142681200
Any new little details you notice on so many rewatches?
Reminder that Hyouka Novel 5 and the latest short story have been translated.
New novel (Vol.6) out in november.
https://twitter.com/honobu_yonezawa/status/731474464580374528
Hyouka live action in production.
>>142681274
Lots, each re-watch reveals new details about the characters albeit subtly.
![[Coalgirls]_Hyouka_06_(1280x720_Blu-Ray_FLAC)_[E79B65BE].mkv_snapshot_23.01_[2016.05.29_15.30.14].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/3WzqyLg.jpg "[Coalgirls]_Hyouka_06_(1280x720_Blu-Ray_FLAC)_[E79B65BE].mkv_snapshot_23.01_[2016.05.29_15.30.14].jpg")
>>142681274
I don't need to read subs anymore. Guess there's a reason why dubfags exist cuz this series has so many things going on when they're talking
>>142681304
Thanks.
>>142681171
That's not the point though.
You can assume that someone calling everyone who disagrees stupid is more upset than the guy asking said person why he is upset.
So if you want to be overly insulting at least be prepared that someone calls you out on your butthurt.
>>142680041
I think teens getting invested in things that don't matter is very realistic
>>142681304
Is that the one about detective mayaka or is there a newer one?
>>142681304
Isn't this just the anthology?
>>142681448
Latest one is about Chitandanot inheriting the family business
>>142680044
>sleepin during exposition, exposition, exposition
Nah, that's the right thing to do.
>>142681587
Read about that one or is itafter oreki finds her?
>>142681407
No you can't. The use of more volatile language does not neccesitate that the person is more upset any more than that you keep replying to this means that it's the most important thing in your life atm.
Stop it with the armchair psychoanalysis, please. 4chan serves a global audience, and the use of tone across said audience is not going to be consistent enough for you to be able to tell how the other person feels.
>>142681634
Nope the story ends there.
It's just that story was published this year while the Mayaka one was from a few years ago.
>>142681785
I actually read the mayaka one last so there goes my hopes being blown off.
>>142681559
It is the anthology of previously uncompiled works plus hopefully more. The last story (red bull gives you wings) ended on a very big cliffhanger that turns Chitanda's life upside down so hopefully theres more.
>>142681304
Wait, will we be able to get a Hyouka S2 soon?
>>142682107
>Hibike S2, VEG, KnK, Haruhi S3, Hyouka S2
Is there anything Kyoani can't do?
>>142682537
Coppelia
Dont let this thread die
>>142677881
Chitanda is one of the most beautiful girls in anime.
>>142684397
Sometimes it's ok to move on, anon
>>142682537
Make decent shows
>>142687311
This, they can't make anything less than a masterpiece.
>>142677881
Surprised by how extremely comfy it was. I'm not even into these SoL anime, but Hyouka won me over pretty fast.
>>142677881
I watch it once a year and I always notice more details. Its fun and probably my favourite show.
>>142690194
Want to cuddle and watch it with me, fuccboi?
>>142690194
Now you really need to elaborate further.
>>142690232
Mainly small stuff about Orekis behaviour. He would probably end up as the protagonist of Welcome to the N.H.K if Chitanda wasn't there.
>>142690215
No, I'm not a dumb faggot. Fuck off back to /v/.
What do you anons thing about the sudden change in Chitanda's circumstances?
Will this lead to full dependence on Oreki?
>>142692257
The Henshin -emergence- route.
>>142692257
It will definitely bring both of them closer. Think about it. Before this change, she had no real desire of her own, accepting the duty that was entrusted to her from birth, and neither did Oreki, from his absurd level of listlessness.
Now that she has the freedom to do whatever she wants, if she does start pursuing something while remaining close to him, I can see it also bring out a deep desire on here of some kind. What would that be and how would it relate to Chitanda's remains to be seen.
One thing I'm still curious about, though, is if her dad said she WON'T inherit it or that she doesn't NEED inherit it. Because if it's the latter, she can still do it, just our of her own free will this time.
>>142692504
The what?
>>142682537
Reminder that any anime titled KnK will be as good as Ufotable's KnK.
>>14269273
I do rmember oreki almost ragong upon finding out that chitanda wont inherit the farm. Maybe it has something to do with himself too at the end of vol4 when he imagined taking the business side and chitanda taking the science aide of things.
>>142694229
KnK > KnK > KnK > KnK
I just want them to be together. ;_;
>>142694229
What the fuck did I just write? I thought I put a "never" somewhere in that sentence.
>>142677881
I still think that the School Festival arc was by far the best piece of writing ever featured in a Kyoani adaptation, and stands as proof of how good the source material was.
Also, Chitanda is fucking gorgeous,
>>142695391
She is.
>>142695847
I want to lick her smooth feet
I remember thefanfictionwas actually really good.
>>142697263
Which one? The one where it tells their future selves?
Why did Sensei get maaaaaad?
>>142698384
Why don't you ask EBA?
>>142697329
https://www.fanfiction.net/s/10529576/1/The-Rain-is-Trying-to-Tell-me-Something
This is what I'm talking about.
>>142677881
The one show that made Kyoani's existence worthwhile in my eyes.
Could Kumiko beat Chitanda?
>>142699908
Yup. This one was fucking great.
>>142700421
Not even in her dreams.
I want to fuck Chitanda.
Kyoani was one of the downfalls of anime, you otaku moefag trash. Take your love pillow and shove it down your throat until you choke to death and die.
>>142701760
ＴＲＩＧＧＥＲＥD
>>142701760
>>142677881
what a huge waste of time. Then again what did I expect with KyoAni.
I miss her.
>>142701760
Ya done goofd.
>>142677881
Literally can't tell the difference between any of their productions.
>>142677992
This is the first time I've seen someone praise both Haruhi and Hyouka together.
I tend to find if someone likes one, they dislike the other.
>>142702698
Die in a fire lelouch.
>>142702744
watch more anime
>>142703133
Anime is for nerds.
Juumonji Arc > Valentine's Day Episode > Sappy New Year > Finale episode > "Hotaro and Chitanda come up with a Mystery" episode > Mystery Movie Arc > Chitanda Uncle Mystery Arc > Hot Spring episode > "Hotaro interested in helicopter teacher" episode > "Chitanda hears teacher yelling" episode
>>142705999
Good list, but none of them are actually bad
>>142705999
juumonji was amazing but my personal favorite was the mystery movie arc
also
>Hotaro interested in helicopter teacher
kek
Chitanda is love.
Chitanda is life.
>>142703133
Kyoani doesn't make anime, they're a processing plant for public water.
>>142706222
>none of them are actually bad
agreed
>>142706648,197
I was expecting something more, I feel like it really started to pick up in the last half hour.
Also bye fags.
Dog.
>>142677881
Thank you Kyoani
Pretty good desu
>>142699908
>fanfiction
This is typical Hyokafags.
Why don't you fuck off to facebook or something.
>>142702746
What? They're both made amazing by giving a great director a great story.
I used to shitpost in Kyoani threads constantly. I watched K-On, Hyouka, and Haruhi, and I legitimately believe that they're some of the best the medium has to offer, much better than stuff I see praised constantly here, like LotGH, Yuasa shows, Eva, or Lain. The writing is as intricate and thought-out as the animation and visuals.
The shows are masterpieces in every single fucking respect of the word. Kyoani is legitimately keeping anime fresh. And so, I wanted to apologize. I'm sorry for not recognizing how amazing Kyoani is, and I'm sorry for perpetuating this retarded anti-kyoani culture out of some sort of inferiority complex. I've never felt more alive with anime than with Kyoani's works. Again, I'm sorry.
>>142702380
I miss Chitanda.
>>142711744
Mah nigga.
>>142680022
Ruru is pure sex.
>>142680425
>Will it be Koe no Katachi? Violet Evergarden?
KnK if they change the ending or only cover the first half of the story and avoid it. VE if it's half as good as they say, and give it the Hyouka treatment in terms of production.
>>142711744
Wow, that's really cool of you. Don't worry, anon, I forgive you.
>>142692735
>>142694376
They are getting closer and closer.
Also, the ending of the latest short story makes me curious of what would happen on the bus back to the event place.
Guys I need you to be real with me right now. How good are the Hyouka novels? Like in comparison to the anime. I know the anime is better, obviously, but like what's the delta?
>>142716322
The novels are a good complement to the anime and provide more depth to the characters.
Prepare for a slightly different viewpoint because most of the time you are reading Oreki's thoughts.
>>142677992
>Nichijou
I don't get you guys. Watching it with /a/ was fun, but it is mostly mediocre all around.
![[Coalgirls]_Hyouka_22_(1920x1080_Blu-Ray_FLAC)_[E4D50756].mkv_snapshot_24.01_[2015.12.27_11.05.43].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/KJdD5D9.jpg "[Coalgirls]_Hyouka_22_(1920x1080_Blu-Ray_FLAC)_[E4D50756].mkv_snapshot_24.01_[2015.12.27_11.05.43].jpg")
>>142677881
Kyouka is one of my favorite KyoAnis. Festival arc is fantastic and the ending is very satisfying.
>>142711744
Are you pasta? If not, then I will make you pasta.
>>142717611
Oh, please make me some, too! I'm so hungry.
>>142717434
I liked it a lot, comedy wise it had its moments but I watched it for the characters and comfy factor.
>mediocre all around
Certainly not OST and animation-wise, you couldn't be more wrong.
>>142677881
Overrated somniferkino.
>>142705999
"Hotaro interested in helicopter teacher" episode is one of the best m8
>>142718895
It has the best character development but its kindameh.
>>142705999
Valentine's >>> Juumonji > I Scream > Sappy > Movie > Book > Onsen > Made Up Mystery > Helicopter > Yelling > Finale >>> Pool
Some of those in the middle I'm not totally sure about, might be due for a rewatch, but Valentine's wins hands down. One of my favorite episode of anime of all time. The way that his crime of so callously hurting best is presented as if it were a murder mystery... Not only is breaking up the chocolate heart an obvious metaphor for the heart break she would go through if she found out, but it's also analogous to chopping up a corpse for easier disposal, etc. It's just so incredibly perfect. The whole point of Hyouka is that you're engaging with these characters while also being stimulated by pretty satisfying mystery plots, and this episode is in a league of its own in that regard. The marriage of the two is so much greater than the sum of its parts here.
Hyouka is probably like an 8/10 show, but Valentine's is a 10/10 ep for sure.
>>142716322
It depends on the quality of the translation. They are good stories but some of the translations are subpar and might take you out of it, if that kind of thing really bothers you.
>>142720773
That kind of thing definitely bothers me. Reading awkward prose is fucking torture. It's sorta okay with manga or even anime subs because it doesn't rely so entirely on the text. But a novel? I'm not sure I could handle it. They don't just have to be good at actual translation, they also have to have great English skills, proofreading skills, and probably have a decent handle on creative writing and poetry. No, I'm not sure I can handle a poorly translated novel.
>>142721583
Try this one
>http://mayakyaa.tumblr.com/post/90849261071/english-translation-of-the-hyouka-short-story
The english in this one did not bother me.
And
>https://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/index.php?title=Hyouka:Short_Story_4
is an improvement over that translator's previous Hyouka vol 5, personally I thought it could use a little more editing but ymmv. Both are stand alone short stories so the awkward prose torture should be over quickly.
>>142722343
Thanks for the tip friend /a/non.
>>142720537
Reading the novel version of the Valentine story, what wasn't really shown in the anime was thatMayaka was in on the whole thing from the beginning, which really kind of softened my impression of Satoshi's actions.
>tfw Hyouka will never be licensed in the U.S.
>>142681350
I've become really good at moon to the point where I don't need subs at all on some shows. I'm excited to rewatch it since I've only seen it once and that was when I was pure shit at moon.
I really liked Hyouka when I first watched it, but when I rewatched it I honestly thought it was one of the greatest anime of all time. Actually, it might be the single greatest TV-only series. The effort, detail, and time money put into it vastly exceed even later KyoAni productions. I highly doubt KyoAni will ever exceed it, unless they find another source material as strong as Hyouka and put enough detail in.
Is their any chance they'll make a season 2, now that the sixth novel is coming out? Or at least an episode on the chitanda runs away short story?
>>142723303
Depends on how long they can stretch out vol 5. Historically Kyoani has never done OVA-type releases (ala Nekomonogatari Black) though.
>>142716070
>what would happen on the bus back to the event place.
That is, if she do take the bus
>>142680001
Tamako Market was ok. Love Story on the other hand... damn.
This movie definitely needs more love, it also has gorgeous cinematography to boot
>>142723046
>not learning Japanese and buying both cover version of the novels
>not learning Japanese to bully Yonezawa-sensei on twitter
You're fucking up senpai.
>>142723839
What happens if she doesnt?
Do they fuck in the shed?
>>142723926
Nigger-san, I'm already studying Mandarin and for a job certification test. I can only do so much at once.
Chitanda has the cutest little butt.
>>142726566
>little
>>142727034
Yes.
>>142680425
>surpassing the best fucking anime this world has ever fucking seen
That's not gonna work
>>142726497
>Studying Chink shit instead of glorious moon runes
Enjoy having to work with Chinese dogs instead of kind Japanese people, and enjoy not reading, watching and playing all that sweet Japanese media.
>>142680425
Hibike is far from being close to Hyouka's level.
This show is so good.
>>142730455
To be fair all the best arcs of Hyouka were in the second half.
>>142720537
Good lord, finally someone who understands me. I will never get why the finale of the show gets so much praise. It is by far one of the weakest episodes of the show and puts into stark light one of the weakest elements of the whole series.
>>142718254
>animation-wise
Yeah, it was animated beautifully, but that's about it.
>>142730455
Hibike is better than Hyouka.
>>142730736
Where did Chitanda get all those pictures?
![N0kAqz5[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/43swnpo.png "N0kAqz5[1].png")
>>142677992
>>142730805
She's just that curious.
Also she's rich.
>>142730777
Hot damn. I miss Chitanda, she's such a good girl.
>>142730777
>>142730890
KyoAni know that nape is the most sexual part of human body.
TYBKA
>>142730694
>>142730996
It's actually face > gestalt body shape > *
The nape is a transition area between body parts, and lets you see the curves of the body and how they connect.
>>142728423
That's dumb because shit loads of nip media gets translated into chink.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9W23Nkg_1Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dz00Ievsa4c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBSz5Npj4Bs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OEBWjHPL5cs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rbw9kteRVDs
>>142731028
>damage control: the trilogy
>>142731028
The episode has almost no interaction between Hotaru and Chitanda and the litte interaction they do have shows how little chemistry they have and how undeveloped their relationship is. The symbolic stuff is nice, but it doesn't really matter when the relationship behind it is so flimsy and uncompelling.
>>142731251
Flimsy and uncompelling according to who?
>>142731345
According to me, obviously. What kind of question is that?
>>142731366
Exactly, now move along with your wrong opinion.
>>142681304
>live action
why ruin something beautiful
>>142680425
they won't since KA has been losing its touch.
they became more high production values but less creative. they will never make something like nichijou or hyouka again.
>>142731465
Why did you reply to me if you have nothing to say?
>>142701760
Watch western cartoon kid
>>142677881
Hyouka was fucking borZzzzzzzzz...
>>142731547
now that i think about it what was the last great kyoani anime? the tamako movie?
>>142702744
You must be a newfag
>>142731575
I know right.
>>142731477
For AKB and Johnny's
>>142731637
Hibike
>>142730735
Both are good
>>142731667
You should fuck back off to whatever shitty hugbox you came from.
>>142731681
oh right i didn't watch that
it just seemed like a k-on thing and that's not really my cup of tea
>>142731797
Putting your shit taste aside, Hibike is nothing like K-on.
>>142731797
K-ON is based on a 4koma manga (albeit KyoAni really improved on the source material). Hibike is based on a novel, just like Hyouka,
>>142731637
Having a loli-ish Chitanda clone was a plus, for sure.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBw4YqgorLs
>>142731945
Tamako really should let her hair down more.
>>142731637
>the tamako movie
overrated, had exactly one good scene
>>142731681
unessecary yuribait
>>142677881
>>142677992
> Sameface
> Shit taste
>They are people who unironically like and enjoy Hyouka despite being a boring SoL pretentious shit without any plot
Wew
Lads
>>142731740
You too
>142732092
Bait too weak, no (You) for you mister
>>142732046
It's not necessarily yuribait. Reina is certainly Kumiko's muse when it came to getting her to actually care about her performance. The relationship between the two is still incredibly important to the show itself, not just something included as an extra for 'bait' purposes.
>>142731425
racist
>>142732046
I like how you dismiss shows that are actually good with one liners, truly a work of baiting art.
>>142711744
I'm a newfag, when did Kyoani hate start?
>>142732104
I was actually trying to have a conversation with you. Clearly you only know how to parrot the opinions of others though, given your insistence that I attempt to gather some sort of authority before disagreeing with your copypasta.
>>142732234
Ever since they became the most sucessful studio in the past decade, but it's been receiving much more hate since Free.
>>142732293
No point in having a conversation with someone who's opinion is inherently wrong.
>>142732342
Please, feel free to prove that your opinion on a piece of art is objectively correct. I'd like to see it.
>>142732300
>most sucessful studio
>>142732397
Most successful late night anime studio that is. Ghibli is also dead anyway.
>>142731096
Enjoy reading bootleg copies with garbage translations and learning a skill that will land you in chick land.
And not nearly all of it gets TL'd. Learning nip is the only real answer.
>>142730735
Not even remotely close, unless you're a retarded yurifag who only cares about yuri shipping.
>>142732384
Do you side with Smugi that there can be no objective opinion for art? That masterpieces cannot exist because the only thing that matters is each individual's opinion on art?
>>142732459
I'm not him, just saying. Also how is that different from English translations?
Obviously not nearly all of it but vastly more than English. I'm sure most of all the popular shit gets chink TL's.
>>142731028
>over analyzing things: the wall
>you will never read A Corpse by Evening
>>142732300
And what's wrong about Free?
>>142732621
The point is that he bothered to learn a second language (chink). So I said that if he was going to learn a second language, he should have learned a good one.
>>142731637
I recently watched the Tamako movie, it was alright, but I wouldn't call it great.
Hibike was pretty good.
>>142732767
Hypocrites on /a/ don't like it when studios pander to the other sex.
>>142732214
you're just butthurt because i'm spot on.
tamako was very conventional and average, except for that one great scene, the confession scene.
in hibike their relationship might have been important, but the way they portrayed it made it look more like yuri rather than what you said, friends being inspired by each other. it distracted from the core story. it's like they didn't believe in the script and felt the need to "spice it up" like this.
that being said, my main point is while they're good, they don't stand up to kyoani's best.
>>142732597
Opinions can't be objective from their very nature. But to say that means there are no masterpieces because of that is foolish. Everyone has their own personal masterpieces, and the way one makes that opinion more widely held or acceptable is by explaining to people why they hold that opinion. If your reasoning is sound and compelling, people who listen to you will begin to hold a higher opinion of that work and may relay that opinion to others. If it isn't they won't be convinced and will simply carry on.
>>142732785
Chinese is probably more useful desu.
>>142732515
The only people who would prefer Hyouka to Hibike are pretentious fedoratippers who somehow think Oreki is a compelling character.
>>142732913
Whatever you say /u/.
>>142732913
I like Hyouka more than Hibike overall but I like Hibike characters more since they have more depth to them and develop more. Out of all the characters in Hyouka Mayaka was the most interesting for me. Oreki development was very obvious from the beginning but I still enjoyed it.
I like Hyouka more because the mysteries were actually entertaining, the pacing and arc/episodic format was more to my liking and as far as art and animation goes it was just better.
Also to that retard complaining about Oreki/Chitanda relationship being underdeveloped is right, but that was the point of the last episode, Oreki just starts realizing he likes Chitanda, and she opens up more to him right there, their relationship was nothing more than acquaintances before the last episode. You're basically complaining about cheese being too cheesy.
>>142732887
Not if you're smart. Japan has a booming biotech industry and does lots of cool research in fields like aerospace. China is pure industry with no good academic institutes and you'll get stuck working with lying, theiving chinamen.
>>142732913
Nah, it's just people who care about good story telling and directing and don't care about gay girls.
>>142733129
>Hibike characters more since they have more depth to them and develop more
>that retard complaining about Oreki/Chitanda relationship being underdeveloped is right
Oh, so you think melodramatic screaming and crying is depth and characterization?
>>142732913
>pretentious fedoratippers
People will take this shitpost seriously.
>>142733129
>Also to that retard complaining about Oreki/Chitanda relationship being underdeveloped is right
I am that retard. Also, if you think someone is right, maybe instead of belittling them and calling them retarded you should just explain why you think it works.
But to actually counter your argument, the two knew each other for nearly a year. For their relationship to not progress past acquaintances in all that time seems silly to me, especially given that that's the entire show.
>>142732913
>fedoratippers
>>>/reddit/
