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https://docs.google.com/document/d/1pKgBm8Aa58mjB1hYhbK-VOPZsRBTXBuPBzw8Xikm2ss/pub?embedded=true
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>>142605161
How many months of studying did you do before realizing that it's hopeless and gave up?
はやっ
God damn that's a nice picture
Has anybody in here ever attempted to learn classical japanese (feudal era, before meiji restoration)? Please let me know when and why you gave up so I can avoid your mistakes
>>142641372
I will never give up and I won't miss a single day of Anki until the day I die, at which I will then pass up my reps to my first born wifes son.
>>142641280
flawless op
>morefunthan doing my reps
top k_e_k
>>142641372
A little over a year, when I realised I was still reading shit for children. It's literally impossible to learn Japanese unless you're autistic enough to spend 19 hours a day on it.
Looking for help trying to decipher the kanjis in this image. I think I got the first one:
> てめえいつまで仕事サボッリてん？
The second one I got this:
> ふざけないつまでも机あるて黒
But I don't think I'm making much sense, especially that 黒 in the end (it doesn't seem to be any character's name because he has no name) and my kanji knowledge is very limited to know what else it could be that looks like that...
What do Japanese people use when they correct a typo? Like in english we might use an asterisk with the correction or say "err I mean ____" or such.
>>142641372
ネバーギブアップ！I'm much too far in to give up now anyway ;_;
why should I use Anki when Memrise exists?
serious question
>>142641723
More customizable, more decks, can make your own decks, more intuitive, etc
>>142641027
Thanks, thinking of it like that makes it a bit clearer.
>>142641113
>二つ以上あるもののうちの一つをとりあげてさす語。
I'm not sure I'm understanding this sentence properly because none of the EDICT definitions for とりあげて seem to make sense with this sentence.
>A word to accept(?) and select one thing among two or more (tangible) things.
>>142641722
>sunk cost fallacy
It's never too late to give up.
>>142641717
that last kanji is 思 i'm pretty sure
>>142641386
>>142641481
Thank you, I have a few more stockpiled that I plan to post but I think this is my favorite one.
>>142641443
There was a guy a few days ago who was an amateur 古文 specialist. Reply chain starts here https://desustorage.org/a/thread/142199111/#142220760
>>142641807
It is when I've based my whole existence on learning it, and without it I'm just some generic unproductive neetI was just joking anyway, I love learning Japanese, I wouldn't want to give upI use spoilers too much
How many cards of vocabulary do you have in Anki?
I want to gauge how 出来ない my deck is.
Almost 15000 and I've only seen 6700.
>>142641860
Oh, now it's sorta recognizable as a sentence, thanks!
>>142641721
I want to know too
おはようおにいちゃん
おやすみおにいちゃん
>>142641788
取る + 上げる = To pick out
To pick out and specifiy one thing out of two or more things
>>142641917
Just passed 10000. Unseen cards is 0, because nowadays I'm mining slower than my daily new cards (30)
How to clear brain fog /djt/
>>142641917
Just passed 4500. I do all new words the day after I mine them, this has the negative effect of me reading less than I should but my autism will not let me mine more than I do.
>>142642018
Game of dota
>>142642018
relax, or get more sleep if it's less than 7-8 hours.
>>142641917
This many, all mined, I do have a kanji deck in there too that I've never used which is what most of the unseen's are, could probably just go ahead and delete it now
>>142642018
A bullet
>>142641372
More than 3 years in, still can't read anything but I'm not giving up.
>>142641991
That seems to make sense with the context of the sentence, but how do you get "out" from 上げる?
I tried thinking of the two words separately but all I could come up with was basically what the EDICT definitions said.
>>142642274
take up = pick out
use your imagination anon
>>142642311
I guess I can see the connection, but it's pretty vague. I wouldn't have been able to come to it without someone spelling it out to me.
Anyway, thanks for helping.
>>142642396
No worries, everyone complains about intermediate hell (and it is worse) but all there is to combat intermediate hell is consuming more content. Being stuck in beginner mode requires others' help to get out of.
>>142642274
Imagine picking out a sweet from a jar of sweets
You pick one and then lift it out
取り上げる
There's a lot of shit like that in Japanese, I can see why you'd be confused, but the more you read the less you look at it through an English lens, and the more sense it makes
>>142641917
>>142641458
>to my first born wifes son
wifes first born son*
nice try though esl kun
>reaching that point where your reading speed can easily keep up with the voice, which acts as an audio text hooker for unknown words
So this is how it feels to climb out of intermediate hell.
Need some help with a sentence, how would you translate this line? Context is guy tired from work saying this:
> こっちは働きたくて働いてるわけじゃねえだ
I'm not really sure about the meaning, I *think* I get it as:
(here is) [(I want to work) (I am working)] (I don't want that)
And even with this I can't really get a good english sentence... help please.
>>142642761
Hello there newfag.
>>142641722
>ネバー
>>142642810
the meme is still there, i just corrected your shit grammar.
>>142642809
It's not like I'm working because I want to work.
>>142642809
I-it's not like I WANT to work or anything, b-baka!
>>142642891
Maaaaaany thanks!
>>142642974
Also こっち means I (the speaker) in that sentence.
>>142642795
You're still in it, anon.
>>142642795
Hate to be the one to tell you this anon, but that's pretty much the start of intermediate hell
How do you make rikai sama parse a certain part instead of what it is doing automatically?
![[HorribleSubs] Non Non Biyori Repeat - 01 [720p].mkv_snapshot_03.47_[2015.07.07_03.16.16].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/MH3IIOS.jpg "[HorribleSubs] Non Non Biyori Repeat - 01 [720p].mkv_snapshot_03.47_[2015.07.07_03.16.16].jpg")
>>142643287
Intermediate hell is an overrated meme. Propagating this belief gives people a placebo effect in making them think that they're suffering more than they actually are. After reading a couple LNs/VNs, the ability to recognise kanji improves exponentially to the point where you can easily guess the meaning of phrases (although one might be inclined to check its exact meaning).
>But I'm tired of having to look up words occasionally!
Then make the process easier. It's only suffering if you think it's suffering. Rather than lamenting your misfortune of having your rhythm broken, why not focus on comprehending and enjoying whatever you're reading?
That's my view on 'intermediate hell', anyway.
>>142643856
t. intermediate barbossa
>>142643856
*nocebo
>>142643856
Intermediate hell is for people who dream of fluency. Obviously if you don't care about that you're content with the level you're at.
>>142643856
I thought it just meant the point where vocabulary starts to overtake grammar as your main obstacle
>>142643977
スコー
>>142643980
>there are people in this thread who still don't know the sentence after 我輩は猫である
Anyone know a good JP<->SP dictionary, as good as Jisho? Sometimes I'm curious about the Spanish definition of a word, because it may translate better than to English.
Not sure if here's a good place to ask but... is there any place where I can find english expressions?
For example an expression when someone is picking on the same thing over and over, how can I find it?
> ねちねちいびられたので
>>142642018
Eat your vegetables.
>>142643980
Yeah pretty much.
>>142633678
cont.
1/17 through kanjidamage list. By this time it's clear that majority of ons are just consonant sound + vowel sound and using kana for rows/columns was a mistake, or, rather, Japanese made a mistake by projecting Chinese characters onto their language. Kanji would be more naturally presented with letters of a language which isn't fucked by Japanese syllable system. Thus, table should be rearranged as such:
1) use vowels/consonants for rows/columns (place kanji with longer readings according to first two sounds?)
2) remove kuns (unless they are used in jukugo?), if space allows, write kuns next to their respectice kanji
>>142645145
I'm trying, but when meeting a sentence where I understand every word but can't put together the meaning of the sentence. I just feel like I'll always be 出来ない
How often do you hit that "Easy" button?
What makes you decide if you've got it well or not?
Be specific.
>>142645345
I hit it when I've already picked that word up from reading practice. Otherwise I never hit it.
>>142645345
I never hit it on new cards, even if I know the card I never feel like I know it well enough for an easy, I mine my shit on a day by day basis
>>142645329
That's the symptom of lack of anime watching
>>142645345
I hit it when the intervals given look too short, obviously.
>>142645345
I hit easy on every katakana word that came up in core
>>142645536
Delete them instead dummy. You're just slowing down the learning process by them taking away new cards slots.
>>142645536
I delete every katakana word that has the same meaning as it's english counterpart. I don't want them to bloat my reviews.
>>142645345
I'll usually only hit easy in 3 scenarios.
1) It's a word I knew, but got confused with another because I was going too fast the previous day.
2) It's in katakana and I figure out the meaning before the flop.
3) If it's some sort of conjugation of previous vocabulary and I manage to both pronounce and define it before the flop.
Beyond that, I'll almost go exclusively "good" or "hard".
切腹（せっぷく）
腹切（はらきり）
いいね
>来てくれなければすべてをバラいます。
バラって何？
私全然わかない。
>>142645345
Basically, when it's so easy that it might as well be English.
I might also do it when I get a familiar word wrong (due to a mental lapse or just the fact that I haven't seen it in a while), hit again, get it right, and then the next day rolls around.
>>142645725
よくないよ
>>142645821
よくないっていう人の方がよくない死ねよゴミ
>>142645725
まだ早く過ぎです
>>142645880
So how many of these Kamige have you read already /djt/?
>>142642761
You're the one who's wrong, anon.
He clearly intends to marry and impregnate his own eldest daughter, establishing the male offspring as his Anki successor.
>>142646079
Baldr Force, Baldr Sky in Japanese, Fate and Sengoku Rance in English, and reading Sakura no Uta right now.
>>142645768
>バラいます
「バラします」の間違いじゃね
>>142641280
The OP is getting too sophisticated, holy shit.
>Drawfag Japanese Thread (DJT°
>>142646079
5 I guess, counting the SKYs as one of course
Maybe I should finally get around to playing rance
YU-NO I'd also like to play but I'm not sure I could handle it unless it gets an upscale
>>142643977
I aim to have 100% reading comprehension, but I never give myself negative feedback about intermediate hell.
I think anyone who seeks to improve their comprehension can at least relate to the concept of intermediate hell regardless of whether they are aiming for fluency.
>>142643980
That happens really early on. A more specific description would be the feeling of frustration caused by having to look up words constantly despite the fact that you've been learning Japanese for x number of years.
>>142647607
You're probably taking the phrase too seriously. I don't feel discouraged by the hell I just know I'm in for a long time and it's just a fun way to describe it.
>>142647745
Fair enough
I also found that dropping anki helped a lot with making learning less of a chore (I was at ~7000 mature though) giving me more motivation to read
Behold the sounds of one fluent in Japanese and weep at your inadequacy.
http://vocaroo.com/i/s0Dx6AAd7BVA
How do you know when you've become intermediate?
>>142646309
はい、そうです。
私間違いこのミス。それで、君の意見、何が意味その「バラします」って。
>>142648120
That term is very vague. I would say it's just the difference between knowing barely any words, to knowing most, to knowing all; the difference between being unable to make sentence, to being able to make broken sentences in almost every case, to being able to make proper sentences in all cases. You know. Being good, but not great.
>>142648019
Man it's so painful to hear the american R in japanese
>>142648149
ggrks
>>142648120
This >>142643980
As has been said it happens pretty early on,but nonetheless I think it makes you intermediate. It means you're better at comprehension than almost anyone who is still taking japanese classes, and are probably nearing N2.
A slightly higher requirement would be "When you feel like you are capable of reading even difficult VNs, but it's still a pain in the ass"
What car does /djt/ drive?
>>142648245
えええ、そんな。。
面倒くさいです。
>>142648019
You kinda sound like an even worse version of Peter off of JapanesePod101
Also you should be doing ASMR with all those god damn mouth smacking sounds
>>142648553
Yeah, he kind of sounds like a sadder Peter. Couldn't listen to the whole thing because it was painful. Swallow your spit before you record like damn.
>>142648019
Kinda sad that you actually recorded it, probably more than once, listened to it and thought yes this is good. Then posted it. How retarded does one person have to be to go through all that and not realize it's stupid?
This might sound ridiculous, but is it worth learning if I have no intention of living in Japan? I just like Japanese films and literature. Plus it would be a hobby now that I don't care about video games.
>>142648855
What else are you going to do?
This might sound ridiculous, but is it worth eating cake if I have no intention of being a baker? I just like eating Cheesecake and Sachertorte. Plus it would be fun to eat now that I don't care about ice cream.
>>142648985
That's sort of what I'm asking. I have quite a structured life but have removed vidya from it. I wondered if learning a language, an insanely difficult one no less, is worthwhile.
Does learning a language have other benefits like keeping your brain active, helping with memory etc.
>>142648402
bike
>>142649001
terrible post
>>142648812
Maybe he didn't actually think it was good?
>>142649078
Maybe you should stop posting then, retard, this isn't your blog
>>142649095
>autism
>>142649066
Someone's mad that they didn't get anyone to hold their hand.
Should I bother learning Jinmeiyou kanji or is it useless?
>>142649400
Learn at least 4k kanji before you start on vocab
>>142648855
>>142649046
Do it for her.
>>142649400
At least half of them are used in common words.
>>142648855
If you want to read VN/LN/books then sure, most of the best ones are never getting translated.
>>142641917
8500 cards, 3800 of them mined, the rest are remnants of core6k I deemed worthy.
Like 60 cards unseen and I'll be out of them tomorrow so gotta read some more.
>>142649046
The end result itself probably won't be worth the required effort, unless you exclusively consume Japanese media and is really starved for translations. You might find that you enjoy the language learning process, though, and the satisfaction you get from exploring and getting better at a new language. That on it's own, or in combination with the end result, achieving functional fluency and the ability to freely consume Japanese material, might be enough. But you won't know unless you give it a try.
>>142641917
6k and I almost never come across something new worth adding
>>142642119
>557 cards in 30 minutes
速っ！！
>it's a new ドラマ
>>142642795
>which acts as an audio text hooker for unknown words
It doesn't explain what the words mean, though.
And the dialogue is almost always the easy part, the true horror is usually in the narration.
>>142644267
名前はまだ無い
I got bored about 3 paragraphs in, though.
>>142650263
>it's a long running アニメ
>>142650338
>I got bored about 3 paragraphs in, though.
Either you have shit taste or you couldn't read it.
>>142650263
Where do you download your dramas from?
>>142648812
>>142648771
>>142649095
Geez, you guys need to do a better job of hiding your jealousy.
>>142650442
Torrents from jdramacity, the poor man's option
>>142650419
Maybe even both. I don't really get serious literature so it doesn't bother me much.
>>142650610
Man, I miss d-addicts
>>142650806
I didn't even learn it had died until 5 minutes ago. Fuck.
What's the most common way to spell 山城 as a name? It's the name of a doujinshi artist, and I can't find any mention of it in kana or anything anywhere
>>142650856
Sanshiro
>>142646166
I kekkled.
>>142650856
Probably やまぎ
>>142651009
Mm I guess I'll just go with that
祟
崇
>>142651585
>祟
>出示
>崇
>山宀示
>>142651585
R T K
T
K
>>142642018
Sleep.
私たちはＤＪＴへ急ぎました
>>142652011
I did it, both cards probably got like a year interval. In retrospect that was completely pointless, heh.
>>142652706
What if you just woke up though
That sometimes happens to me and persists through the day
>>142653355
First try going back to sleep.
If that doesn't work, coffee/redbull.
http://may.2chan.net/b/res/413065536.htm
I like to browse 2chan to better understand Japan internet slang and simultaneously deepen my weeb. Commonly in the thread I see たておつ. Do you know what this means? I can't for the life of me seem to find out.
How much does shipping cost from amazon japan to yurope? On books and mango.
How much time do/did you put into studying? Did you give up already?
And don't you dare include anki time
スレの中身は読んでないが今回もきっと下らへん内容ばっかだよなあ
（【トリガー警告】前回のジョークの続き【ハイレベル】【グーグル】）
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzkpVJUNaJg
>>142653730
デ・キ・ナ・イ
>>142653868
A lot, but you do get them like 3 days later
Why not go on there and add your shit to basket and it'll tell you
>>142653730
乙 means 'thank you', as in thanks for the thread, right? Although I think I've seen it used ironically. Maybe たておつ means "genuinely thank you for the thread I'm going to bump it now"? Since the people saying it seem to like the thread and are contributing to it.
>>142653730
> I can't for the life of me seem to find out.
Did you even try?
http://dic.nicovideo.jp/a/%E4%B9%99
>>142653967
I just saw the page where it lists them
For anyone curious:
>900 Yen for book order
>300 Yen on top of that for every item you add
>meanwhile Japanese people can buy a 500 Yen LN with free shipping delivered to them in two days
So yeah... fuck. I almost want to move to Japan only because all the stuff I'm interested in is mega cheap to get.
>>142654032
>Maybe たておつ means "genuinely thank you for the thread I'm going to bump it now"? Since the people saying it seem to like the thread and are contributing to it.
>>142654032
my girlfriend says たておつ when my 3 inch dick gets hard
>>142654143
Yeah it's pretty depressing that the delivery's more expensive than the actual shit you order, I'd have a library in my house by now if I could buy off of there without the delivery cost
>tfw its reps time again
if you get scooped that bad for shipping you deserve it
theres places that know how to put things in one box and send it to you you know
>>142654387
I've no idea what you're talking about, amazon does put it into one box.
>>142654364
You should just do them when you wake up, it's not nearly as painful when you're half asleep
>>142654429
yeah i mean not amazon try a real store
>>142654490
Either doesn't have half the selection or is as expensive if not more.
I'm at the level where I can read LNs fairly well but I hate the fact that I have to essentially commit to 5 or more books when I start a particular series. Anyone else dislike this? I want to expose myself to different authors.
yeah i guess theres just no other way to buy anything but to just pay the per item shipping of amazon what a shame
>>142654840
>that I have to essentially commit to 5 or more books when I start a particular series
You don't?
>>142654840
you dont have to do shit dude do what you feel like at a time
help
was using rikai import on a word and accidentally pressed t instead of r
what does t do? should i delete the card and do it over?
I see it's 'jamal' kills the thread by shitposting hour.
>>142654888
I don't want to drop something if I enjoy it, though. I know there used to be a few people here who read a lot of LNs. If you're still around, how do you do this? Do you read every book in a series or skip around?
>>142655007
Is this how autism sounds like?
Can someone help me out here?
What's the くつ？
ラマスと一緒に白竜の洞くつへ探検に行くんだろ？
>>142645143
On table is 10% complete and mindless copypasting starts to tire me out. At least I managed to fit it on one screen.
>>142655007
Just find short LNs if you feel like that, I know how you feel though, I love Kino no Tabi but I've been reading it for so long, wanna move onto some other shit
>>142654840
>彼は日本語を習った
キサマ
>>142655273
Looks a lot more readable than it was before
is there any way to get only specific words to show their picture in core?
i just want it for food so i can remember them easier
>>142655007
i read when i feel like reading and i can stop anywhere on a page and not worry about it and come back to it later after reading something else
i just do whatever i want
>>142655324
my rooms hella yomiko readman but i cant read any of it
but im sure i would love them all if i could
>>142655301
I might just stick to the very new popular releases until I can read Japanese quickly enough to blow through the longer classics.
Do you go with textbook mnemonics or some other way? I use association since it works better for me but after a while I noticed that made me frequently remember the readings but not the meanings
>>142655814
I go with reading compelling content, the only way to actually learn Japanese.
>>142655088
more like mental retardation
>how do i read books
>>142655919
I'd have to use a dictionary three times per sentence on a mobile, how am I supposed to learn by reading without wanting to kill myself
>>142656168
If you want to kill yourself you're learning Japanese the correct way.
>>142656168
the idea is you just bang your head against the wall enough until you force yourself to pretend youre learning something
>>142656168
Since light novels and visual novels are garbage, I have to do other things to learn Japanese. I play old JRPGs on a psx emulator and have to look up kanji that is sometimes so blurred together you can't even make it out.
If you want it bad enough you'll do it.
>>142656252
>videogame manchild
lol kys
>>142656252
I understand not liking VN's, but I doubt you could possible have any reason to say all LNs are garbage unless you're just a giant edgelord
>>142656227
>>142656252
>>142656221
This actually makes more sense than I wish it did
I'll just hope google kanji dictionary is as good as I heard since I don't practice writing
>>142655273
This actually looks neat now, nice work. Don't feel obligated to complete it but if you did I would like to see it.
>>142656495
He's parroting what a lot of other misinformed morons say. I'm not sure where this whole "all LNs are shit" meme came from.
>>142656495
Just seems to me every light novel is just a written version of anime. And as I got older, I grew out of anime. I learn Japanese now simply because I've wasted so much time learning it I might as well finish. There is no compelling content anymore. Maybe I'll read a history book or something.
Not an edgelord at all, just bored with it. If you know some LNs that aren't garbage by all means shoot some my way.
>>142656627
Anime adaptions.
>>142656546
I just used it today to translate some h-mangos.
At first I used Akebi on Android, but it's stroke limited, and when I switched to google... what a fucking monster that is. Any scribble I do it recognizes, google should make a JP dic for mobiles and I'd gladly pay for it.
>>142656673
thats exactly what lns are they are basically ready made anime shit and thats why you see them getting made into anime so much
everything is shit though especially the things you like
>>142656495
I can kind of understand. VNs usually feel more watered down than LNs, less active than anime or manga, and less interactive than full video games.
On the plus side, VNs are usually
>More involved than LNs
>More fleshed out than anime/manga
>Less tedious than video games
If you don't like LNs though, then try novels. If nothing compels you to learn, it's fucking stupid to continue.
>>142656673
>I grew out of anime
Why are you even here?
>>142656858
>>Less tedious than video games
When you see words that have the same meaning and reading but different kanji, is it considered just different ways to write the same word?
>>142656673
>I learn Japanese now simply because I've wasted so much time learning it I might as well finish.
So you did Anki for years? Because learning Japanese requires actual native material and since you were young enough to read LNs and VNs there's no excuse.
>>142657019
You mean like 分かる and 判る? Or 硬い and 固い? The have the same basic meaning but slighly different nuances. Using them interchangably will out you as a gaijin real quick.
>>142657019
There are different kanji with same reading for hot (weather, air) and hot (thing)
>>142657234
Well the ones I've noticed so far are 速い/早い and 登る/上る
Madokami will no longer allow uploads of raw manga. How does that make you feel?
>>142657019
Depends, some words have completely different meanings depending on the kanji, other's have but slight changes in nuances, while some are completely interchangeable
It usually says in dictionaries what the case is
>>142657385
Where's the best place to find weekly raw releases?
>>142657385
Indifferent. I haven't used it since it became an IRC secret club.
>>142657385
I spent fucking forever getting onto that shit, and then it was terrible and had like zero selection, fuck it
>>142656673
> I grew out of anime. I learn Japanese now simply because I've wasted so much time learning it I might as well finish.
If you still need to look up kanji in video games you're not even 1/3 of the way to being "finished". Just stop and go learn something else.
>>142657385
大丈夫、ゲス野郎。
Does anyone know where I can download Japanese opera? Maybe I just suck at googling but I'm not having much luck.
Is Japanese grammar recursive, or non-recursive?
>>142658200
japanese grammar is a bidirectional stack language with a context-dependent grammar
>>142658280
context-sensitive*
sorry crossed my jargons
but yeah context-sensitivity means it's recursively enumerable
>>142648019
That can only be a joke.... Try harder next time.
>>142648149
Damn, that's some awesome grammar you've got there.
>成人向けその他予定
"Intended for adults and such"?
心臓病を患ったから、医者さんは僕に手淫を減らすように言った
Does anyone know this feel?
>>142659751
What does masturbation have to do with heart disease?
>>142659751
No, I'm not a subhuman with shitty genes. In fact, in the future my genetic profile will be used as a default template for new lab-grown humans.
>>142659751
I might if it was an English feel
>>142660021
羨ましいぞ
>>142660021
>implying it's not already being used without your consent
>>142660020
血圧があがるとか
それとも、ナースさんが手コキしてくれるから手淫はダメってことか
>>142660021
Why do you waste your ubermensh potential on chinese cartoons and moonrunes?
ＤＯ ＹＯＵＲ ＲＥＰＳ． ＮＯＷ．
Meanwhile, on /b/
お前らなんで日本語話さないのか？これは日本語のスレッドなのに日本語話す人がほとんどいない。勉強してるんじゃない？
分かってるよ、日本語は世界の一番難しい言語とか毎日勉強するのが全然出来ないとかって思ってるけど、もうちょっと頑張ったら上手く話せるようになるよ。応援してくれる人がいないからもうダメだって考えても、一生懸命頑張れ。俺は励ましてあげるよ。来週じゃなくて、明日じゃなくて、今日から、いや、今から勉強しろ！感じを選び間違えても漢字を使ってみろ！打ち間違えてもフリック入力のキーボードを携帯にダウンロードして使ってみろ。
こんなに毎日勉強するとアニメを字幕なしに見たり漫画を読んだりできるようになるんだよ。普通のアメリカ人のニートにとっては日本語を勉強するのは無理そうで、ただ将来の夢みたいだけど、夢だけじゃない。頭いい大人としても日本語を勉強し始めるのは怖そう。
でも俺は20歳だけだけど、もうこんなに日本語話せるから、勉強さえしたらお前も上手く話せるようになる。
諦めんなよ。
>>142660761
I don't have to. I'm way past the reddit tier knowledge of Japanese where doing reps still benefits you.
>>142660849
>Being in this much denial
>>142660761
I don't do anzi
>>142653006
This image always gets a chuckle out of me.
>>142660849
That's why you're here, right?
>>142660812
Kinda funny how he tries to show of his language skills, and yet he manages to fuck up the Swedish sentence even though it's only three words long.
>>142660822
出来ないだから。
>>142660822
that's a whole lot of text but in short i don't type in 日本語 because i'm afraid of making too many mistakes and i'll just get laughed at. you don't know my story
>>142661029
You just outed yourself as a redditor. Well done. And all I needed was one well structured post.
世界の国では、たばこが原因の病気について、とても強い言い方で書くようになりました。このため財務省の会議は、医者などの意見も聞いて、日本でも今までより強い言い方にする案を考えました。
"In the world, words regarding tobbaco caused disease have come to be written in a strongly worded way. For this reason the ministry of finance asked doctor's opinions, and in even in Japan they are thought of deciding on a plan to make wordings (on tobbaco) stronger.
How does the former logically conclude the latter portion? If its already admittedly strongly worded, why would they think to make it even stronger.
>>142660822
長すぎ、読まなかった。
>>142661151
>doesn't understand the concept of former and latter
Please learn English before posting in this thread.
>>142660822
>励まして
>来週じゃなくて
>字幕
>将来
only shit i had to use rikai for
are you taking it easy on purpose or is your vocabulary level shit?
>>142658200
Well, to be specific, Japanese is an infinite regular language described by a context sensitive grammar, which means that although parts of it can be pumped it can never be described by an infinite automaton. This is obvious because it isn't context free. In order to understand Japanese grammar you first have to do induction in the structure of the individual grammar points and make sure the base case holds before you can go any further. If the base case holds, i.e if xはyです is always syntactically correct, then you can continue with the induction steps. There are various ways you can add new parts to a Japanese sentence, similar to r = r1r2, r = r* and r = r1 + r2, and you have to prove through induction in the structure of the Japanese grammar that all of these changes result in a regular language as well. This is where the pumping comes in. The lemma says that for all cp in L(r) where c = component and p = particle, concatenating cp with any existing syntactically correct Japanese sentence should give us another syntactically correct sentence if the context sensitive grammar allows it.
>>142661116
2/10
>>142661151
Because in other countries it's totemo strong.
>>142661287
This site doesn't have a scoring system. I think you opened the wrong tab.
>>142661285
finally a fellow language theorist
where can I learn more about automata theory, as someone who is a very skilled programmer and a shallow descriptivist linguist?
>>142661330
Needs some work.
>>142661399
i like it
>>142661248
I could probably use more difficult words if I made an attempt to do that, but that is my "comfort level" so to speak. But anyway, I think it's kind of funny that you call my vocabulary level shit if you need a dictionary for words like "future" and "next week", but maybe that's just me..
>>142661323
thanks that would make sense
>>142661440
no I wasn't calling you shit I was just curious
sorry if it seemed that way, it's kind of hard to get around that on 4chan though
thanks for the response, it makes me stronger with being able to understand normal communications in the near future (after a few more months of vocab training)
>>142661349
Very good question. There are lots of Indian people on YouTube who make great videos about regular languages and automatas. I can also recommend the book "Introduction to Languages and the Theory of Computation".
>>142661050
>Ich Sprache Deutsch.
kek. i stopped studying German about 5 months ago and I still know he fucked that up.
>Ich spreche Deutsch.*
simply ebin
おはようおにいちゃん
せいじつであーれー
>>142658200
>>142661285
>>142661349
The dog says woof.
The cat says meow.
The cow says moo.
The lemma says that for all cp in L(r) where c = component and p = particle, concatenating cp with any existing syntactically correct Japanese sentence should give us another syntactically correct sentence if the context sensitive grammar allows it.
