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Why do so many isekai series take place in pseudo medieval European settings?
Why don't these NEETs ever reincarnate into fantasy worlds based on ancient Japan?
Are nips ashamed of their cultural heritage?
Yes
Next question pease
>>142599925
Why is Konosuba so overrated?
Why is Overlord the best Isekai setting?
>>142599973
Because people liked it
Next question please
>>142599973
Because it's a meh instead of a steaming pile of shit
There are more anime with Japanese historical elements than anything else.
>>142599896
Dragon quest nips love dragon quest and being the hero of a dq like world is probably a dream come true.
That is what I think atleast.
>>142599896
>Why don't these NEETs ever reincarnate into fantasy worlds based on ancient Japan?
They do. Watch more anime.
>Why do so many isekai series take place in pseudo medieval European settings?
Because they like elves and high magic. Ancient Japanese settings have miko and stuff. Pseudo European fantasy has elves and wizards.
Probably because the jidaigeki well was pumped dry long ago.
Fuck 11s and Fuck Yuropoors, more series should be set in middle ages America
Why can OP not get enough of the taste and smell of a cock?
>>142599896
>white man
>born and raised in the West
>watches animated series made in Japan for Japanese audience
>asks why nips are interested in Western culture
Fail to see the similarity, anon?
>>142599896
>reincarnate in the early 20th century
>steal land from your ally German in the Pacific since Germany was a little busy
>get nuked
>cucked by America
>otherwise show ancient Japanese making friends then constantly backstabbing them - China
There is no good Japanese history that paints their culture in a good light.
>>142599896
In NGNL, the human race inhabits the not-Europe but the warbeast nation is basically not-Japan with extra fox tails and dog ears.
>>142600033
I remember that thread.
>>142600055
>OP
>white man
>>142600033
>no Wild West anime
>>142600033
Like aztec shit?
>>142600143
>wow look at this cool obsidian blade it can cut a cow in half with a swing
>but don't spit on it, it might break
>>142600031
Jidaigeki is a whole different ball game. Historical drama is a completely separate genre from high fantasy even if some of them may contain fantastical elements.
That's like pointing to Victorian-era pulp fiction as the reason people aren't into LoTR anymore.
>>142599896
If so, He has to seppuku because of no working=no tax paying
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>>142600143
So Rokka no Yuusha?
>>142600018
But none of them are isekai.
European settings are foreign and exotic. Ancient Japan is just MUH HONOR, lords and swords.
>>142600340
>Ancient Japan is just MUH HONOR, lords and swords.
So just like ancient Europe, then.
Ain't feudalism a bitch.
I want an Isekai where the protagnist ends up in the Discworld.
Man I wish I could've pitched this idea to Sir Terry bfore his brain went to mush and the reaper came to collect.
>>142600322
Put your head up your mom's ass, that's a unique isekai
>>142600340
So it's sword and board versus sword and lord?
>>142600388
>sword and board
How many anime protagonists use shields?
Not counting Gundam.
>>142600251
How do you distinguish a high fantasy setting as distinctly Japanese without using aspects of period drama?
>>142599896
There was Underwater Ray Romano, OP. Other things are inspired by Nip games, which are in turn inspired by D&D. That's what fantasy 'is' to them.
Because middle age Japan didn't have any sexy elves.
Because all the alternatives suck big time
Islamic golden age was caused and ended by European slaves, and lack of
African civilization is basically fantasy in itself, lots of people think it's real but it's not
American civilizations were built on human sacrifices, Aztecs sacrificed whole tribes in their conflicts and one theory suggests they turned into 'one race' and black plague level disease wiped them all out in south
Asian fantasy is good alternative, but because it's not as exotic they don't use it. Also it's easier to establish on the trope whole fantasy is built on
>>142599896
Isekai is wish fulfilment by nature, it all comes down to the personal taste of the writers. The people who write LNs are nerds who love fantasy, but you have to remember they are Japanese. Most people in the world hold a stronger fascination with other cultures than their own, particularly geeks given their tendency towards bitterness and escapism.
>>142600436
Tower of Druaga, checkmate.
>>142600440
Obviously there's going to be overlap but high fantasy is kinda distinguished by the fact that it's fantastical, you know.
The name of the nation the story takes place in is a good rule of thumb. If it's not actually called Japan or any of its historical names it's straight up fantasy. If it is then it's probably a period drama or alternate history or historical fantasy.
>>142600755
>1
That's your answer?
>>142599896
It's like you guys don't read good manga and only like shit.
Try this one if you want isekai in feudal Japan.
>>142600677
>Asian fantasy is good alternative, but because it's not as exotic they don't use it. Also it's easier to establish on the trope whole fantasy is built on
Yeah, it's not like China has masturbated itself dry to muh wuxia/xianxia stories.
>>142600757
Kabaneri doesn't call the nation it's set in Japan, or any of its historical names (AFAIK), but it's overwhelmingly obviously meant to be feudal Japan.
>>142600440
The very first color anime was a fantasy anime in a world based on ancient Japan.
https://bakabt.me/torrent/143145/hakujaden
>>142599896
Amatsuki.
>>142600787
Netoge no Yome.
>>142599896
That's boring.
>>142600858
I don't want examples, but a rough estimate of how rare or how common it is.
>>142600866
Oh yeah, how could I forget Inuyasha?
>>142600911
I'm sorry, but I don't have time for a statistical analysis.
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>>142599896
Because the setting has been done to death by Comiket.
>>142600911
It's rare because Japan has a katana fetish.
>>142599896
>Being this new to anime.
Go back to redit and come back after you have watched at least 500 anime. Now, fuck off.
>>142600436
The protagonist of The Rise of the SHIELD Hero?
>>142600813
We're talking about isekai, which is Japanese thing, not Chinese
Also Chinese is quite blocked from outside influence and glorifies itself.
I wish reincarnation trope would just die honestly... Same with transportation, no one writes it well. Either it's used for the first 15 chapters or it's not used at all.
>>142601033
>500
pleb
OP sounds underaged.
>>142600436
Shieldbrah.
>>142600677
>Islamic golden age was caused and ended by European slaves, and lack of
Ignoring that the discovery of new trade routes were a much bigger factor for states like the Ottoman Empire and slavery only being a very important factor for the likes of the Maghreb states, how the fuck does that make the scenarios less interesting than Generic Pseudo-Medieval Pseudo-European Land #238551, which Nips have seen a gajillion of times?
>African civilization is basically fantasy in itself, lots of people think it's real but it's not
Hurrdurr, what is Mali, what is Egypt, what is Ethiopia?
>one theory suggests they turned into 'one race'
Historians should stick to history and let population geneticists do the population genetics analysis, because that's not how genetics works. There is no such thing as human races in the biological sense of the term.
>Asian fantasy is good alternative, but because it's not as exotic they don't use it.
I doubt that Nips know much about Indian, Mongolian or South-East Asian mythology and history.
Post Renaissance isekai LN's are the best.
I'd like to see a conquistador isekai or wild west.
>>142599896
Because it's popular and most RPGs are based off of European legends settings, and since MMORPGs are a branch of RPG, a lot of MMORPGs also branch from that. Additionally, modern isekais are often attempts at 'makes games reality' idea.
Above, but since there are asian folklore inspirated MMORPGs, it's more exotic for jp.
Probably, but that's not the case.While the game being shit, I really enjoy Tree of Savior lore wise because the setting tries to borrow shit from all over the globe (spanish rodelero, japanese shinobis, german doppelsoedner, haitian bokor, indian sadhu and even hebrew mythology with Kabbalist). Would definitely watch if there was an anime with borrowed shit from all over the globe.
I love how blatantly pan-European all these LN fantasies are with zero fucks given in regards to individual ethnicities and cultures.
You get shit like a small town that sees very little travel that's simultaneously inhabited by people named Artemisia Valencia and Fafnir Eigelstein and Firo Jormungand.
>>142599896
Lurk more newfag.
>>142601225
>Ignoring that the discovery of new trade routes were a much bigger factor for states like the Ottoman Empire and slavery only being a very important factor for the likes of the Maghreb states, how the fuck does that make the scenarios less interesting than Generic Pseudo-Medieval Pseudo-European Land #238551, which Nips have seen a gajillion of times?
And yet it all ended when no more Europeans were there, and there hasn't been any scientific advance for 1000 years since
>Hurrdurr, what is Mali, what is Egypt, what is Ethiopia?
Yes, and they've all been proven to been started by European leadership, and fall after lack of Europeans. Like Egypt did during KANGZ took over for one generation
>Historians should stick to history and let population geneticists do the population genetics analysis, because that's not how genetics works. There is no such thing as human races in the biological sense of the term.
No, they were homogeneous enough to succumb to the w/e disease killed them, not that they were all sisters/cousins
>I doubt that Nips know much about Indian, Mongolian or South-East Asian mythology and history.
I don't know about that, can't talk about elevens and their education
>>142601225
>I doubt that Nips know much about Indian
You do realize that practicing Buddhism alone gives them access to the majority of Indian mythology since it recycles a bunch of shit from Hinduism anyways?
>renaissance time travel
>be the one to teach Portugal that you reach the indies by going around Africa
>get rich with trade
>>142601266
There was this Wild Arms anime.
>>142601225
Indian gods are like ridiculously common in JRPGs anon.
You don't have to look farther than Final Fantasy to fine Shiva for instance.
>>142599896
They're based on average cliche RPG settings for the most part, so it makes sense.
>>142600007
I have this weird rash on my cock and it itches like a bitch do you know and possible causes?
>>142601530
You're waifu is a slut.
arab sandnigger elf isekai when?
>>142601530
You'll soon die of a penis infection and be reincarnated as a futa elf with cursed sperm that kills anything it touches.
>>142601530
Have you shaved it recently? That might be why.
>>142601694
Pubes don't grow on cocks.
>>142601622
Can it kill Servants?
>>142601733
My cock has pubes; about 3/5ths of it.
>>142601733
My cock disagrees,
>>142601775
Those are Fungi not pubes.
>>142600295
More like Rokka no Sales, right guys?
Right?
>>142599896
It all started with a series of role-playing video games, developed by Sir-Tech known as "Wizardry," which were highly influential in the evolution of modern console and computer role-playing games. The first four (IIRC) games were on the Apple II, but were ported dozens of times to multiple systems. Ultima also played a huge role in this. These games were derivative of early Dungeons & Dragons systems as well as roguelikes and contained enemies ported from D&D at times.
Wizardry and Ultima were extraordinarily popular games in the west, but also in Japan. It is difficult to exaggerate how well-liked they were in Japan. This inevitably led to the import of early D&D systems to Japan itself, but more pertinently, Wizardry and Ultima are considered the primarily cited inspirations for the early Dragon Quest and Final Fantasy, which are the forefathers of the JRPG genre. This is why Final Fantasy even to this day has D&D creatures in it - Mind-Flayers should be obvious, but Piscodaemons, an enduring enemy, are a type of Yugoloth in the campaign settings that use the Great Wheel cosmology (Greyhawk, Forgotton Realms, Planescape), for instance. It goes without saying even Dragon Quest remains extremely popular in Japan to this day.
Isekai stories are often *extremely* cynical in an covert way. An innate message of most stories is the idea that if you work hard, you'll succeed, but the reality is that lots of people try hard but fail to succeed, while others do nothing and succeed anyway. If it’s taken as a given that people cheat their way to the top in society, then in order for such protagonists to succeed, he needs to be placed into a world where his own particular skills can be used as cheats. It’s no surprise, then, that the vast majority of isekai stories are based on JRPG-inspired worlds, where the author's and primary demographic's savvy can be truly applied.
Unfortunately, most isekai works are shitty narou stories. Some are really good, tho.
>>142601825
Holy shit, the amount of grammatical errors in my post here almost makes me want to delete it and hang myself, but whatever, I just woke up. Forgive me, /a/.
>>142601924
All is forgiven, my child.
so the protagonist can amaze the fantasy gaijins with his superior nipponese culture
>>142601410
And yet they probably don't know much about Indian history, since history and mythology are two different things.
>>142601502
Yeah, but we're talking about whole settings here. Do you remember many anime/manga set in ancient or medieval (pseudo-)India, rather than just taking a few ideas here and there?
>>142601363
>And yet it all ended when no more Europeans were there,
>Yes, and they've all been proven to been started by European leadership, and fall after lack of Europeans. Like Egypt did during KANGZ took over for one generation
When precisely is that mythical "no Europeans in Islamic world" era supposed to be? Ever since a bunch of Phoenicians decided that you can get prosperity through exchange of goods, there has always been trade and subsequent exchange of ideas in the Mediterranean Sea.
There is no such thing as independent idea generation there.
> and there hasn't been any scientific advance for 1000 years since
The Golden Age goes at least a quarter millenium longer than you seem to think it does.
>No, they were homogeneous enough to succumb to the w/e disease killed them, not that they were all sisters/cousins
Which doesn't constitute a race in the biological sense. The biological definition for this term is very narrow, go look it up. Especially take note not confusing the statistical and biological terms. (And, actually, it's obsolete in the first place, since "genetic variation" has superseded it.)
>>142601225
>Mali
Ah yes, the land so developed they had no written language, stfu faggot.
You're just throwing out countries that you've heard were advanced, but no nothing about.
>>142601825
This guy gets it
>>142602122
No I'm talking about scientific advances, not when golden age ended when I mentioned 1000 years. Sure they kept their empire running as long they had slaves from Europe and didn't thin their blood too much
There's reason why they allahu akbar instead go to moon despite being most richest countries on Earth. Same thing with Africa, most fertile, most natural resources yet it's the biggest hellhole on Earth.
>>142602220
also every source that describes Mali and Mansa Munsa as the richest kingdom in the world, is from a foreign source, because they had no written language, which we all know how that turns out, nothing more than a justification for invasion.
See
>el dorado
>america has streets paved with gold
>the norse are terrifying, devilish raiders who will kill us all
Mali, and your so called african civilizations were fucking shit, and Egypt wasn't even African during it's height, it was arabic. Fucking nigger.
>>142599896
Well, there are some with the WW1 settings like Youjou(Not a NEET)
There's also that one, where the MC is reincarnated in the future setting dealing with ship parts or something(Don't remember the name though)
>>142601363
>mali
>they've all been proven to been started by European leadership, and fall after lack of Europeans
Alright, what the fuck. No. None of the Sahelian Kingdoms had significant populations of non-slave Europeans living there during their rise, height or fall. Next you're going to say that Asians are responsible for the rise of the Aztecs. Or that Eskimos were the first to domesticate camels.
>>142602391
Not to mention Egypt fell when during African rule, twice
It's somewhat sad if you think about. If Europeans/Arabs just decided to BTFO niggers from Northern Africa we wouldn't have Saharan Desert today. I recommend looking into it, same thing with Australia and aboriginals
>>142600231
>not having your obsidian folded over a 100000 times
>>142602523
No I just bothered with the advanced civilizations, I largely ignored the likes of Mali which were artificially kickstarted by slavetrade and withered without it
Civilization that has no writing and keeps itself up with something like slavetrade or war is no real civilization, it's just barbarism
Most modern light novels are ripping off Zero no Tsukaima which had a mideival European setting.
>>142602532
>If Europeans/Arabs just decided to BTFO niggers from Northern Africa we wouldn't have Saharan Desert today.
Wasn't the desertification of the Sahara supposed to have begun due to changes in Earth's orbit that no one of that time could have predicted so it wasn't really their fault? Not that I am averse to the idea of poor agricultural practices, but I'd always heard it was a tougher break than that.
>>142602622
>and keeps itself up with something like slavetrade or war is no real civilization, it's just barbarism
Then that pretty much rules out much of classical civilization. Greece and Rome were built on slaves.
>>142602696
It's called Slayers you fucking underage shitstain.
>>142602706
It was sum of things, but you would have less than half the desert without deforestation
You could forest the current desert in generation and annual European refugee budget
>>142599896
Eveyday the same fucking threads
>>142602728
They had writing, culture and their civilization relied on expansion which was sum of trade, alliances, war and slavery. If your civilization has no culture, writing, but only slavery & war, then is not barbarism?
Holy fuck the SJW generation is bonkers
>>142599989
Literally the only Isekai I actually bothered finishing
>>142600340
Actually brings a good point.
Europe DOES likely appear more exotic and magical to a Japanese teenage boy; while ancient Japan might just remind them of the history homework they have to do
Mate look at Blade Dance. It's literally a rewrite of ZnT. ZnT is definitely the largest influence on modern LN.
>>142600667
they had sexy oni lolis though
>>142602826
meant for
>>142602737
Medieval Japan = Reminds school and exams
Medieval Europe = Reminds RPG and fantasy
At least in the Nipp's case.
>>142602532
>I recommend looking into it, same thing with Australia and aboriginals
This shit again. That article refers to deforestation specifically in the Kimberly Region, a relatively fertile slice of the otherwise completely barren wasteland that is WA due to repeated burning down of forests to drive out game. Here's a little important factoid: Burning down a forest does not destroy a forest, look up stand replacement. While the early Aborigines did cause a significant and measurable shift in climate within the Kimberly, they in no way turned the majority of the continent into desert, it was like that when they got there. Almost all of Australia's deserts were former salt water basins or stupid chunks of rock with more shitty eroded rock on top of it.
Also, look up stand replacement. In Australia the forest burning down twice a year is a completely natural occurrence due to the exceptionally high proliferation of pyrophilic trees (Eucalypti in particular), while there is quite a lot of material about how the Aborigines are likely to have caused Eucalypti to dominate certain areas by artificially allowing them to out compete other canopy flora, significant deforestation and desertification (primarily due to soil salinity and over-irrigation) didn't occur until the British showed up.
Please actually read the article.
>>142602826
>>142602889
>fantasy europe swords and magic with elemental gods
>ZnT is the largest influence
Just kill yourself.
>>142602622
Songhai was the slavetrade one dude. Mali got rich off gold and salt.
>>142600322
>>142600018
Fine, here's one
>>142602275
>No I'm talking about scientific advances, not when golden age ended when I mentioned 1000 years.
Then you probably haven't ever heard of people like Averroes, since he died in 1198.
>and didn't thin their blood too much
Racist as fuck.
>There's reason why they allahu akbar instead go to moon despite being most richest countries on Earth.
It's a sign of weak thinker to think in monocausalities only, and not being able to differentiate between causality and correlation.
>>142602220
>Ah yes, the land so developed they had no written language
I don't remember whether Mali in particular had a written language, but I looked it up a year ago and found there to be several pre-Arabic writing systems.
>>142602391
>also every source that describes Mali and Mansa Munsa as the richest kingdom in the world, is from a foreign source,
The king of Mali's visit in Egypt led to a very real hyperinflation, due to the gold they brought with them. Had they not been that rich, I doubt they would've been able to do that, considering gold is plentiful around Egypt, too (see: Numidia).
>>142602826
I disagree all of the Isekai adaptions we've had so far had more influence from dragon quest or SAO than ZnT
>>142602781
They used Arabic for writing, as did many civilizations at the time. They had a 44 article constitution, a parliament, a university, and a thriving trade in gold, copper, and salt. Their rulers were fabulously wealthy, and the university drew scholars from all over the Islamic world. The Mali Empire was cultured as FUCK.
>>142602937
The setting is only one part of a story dumb fuck. How many times has Louise been cloned at this point?
>>142600866
Inuyasha and Touhou are big hits because they're more mythology than historical setting. The big exception it's Rurouni Kenshin.
>>142600340
>European settings are foreign and exotic. Ancient Japan is just MUH HONOR, lords and swords.
>>142602806
>Europe DOES likely appear more exotic and magical to a Japanese teenage boy; while ancient Japan might just remind them of the history homework they have to do
Which incidentally fits into why Wizardry and Ultima and D&D were successful here: >>142601825
As has been stated previously, you can also reflect this idea back on the west and say "that's why we like anime" and such.
It's really interesting when talented and invested creators in Japan or the west take ideas from the other and really apply them with their own cultural perspective. It doesn't always work out well, but at the upper level this is how we got the first three Silent Hill games, which were Japanese people taking distinctly American horror (lots of Stephen King concepts, western occultism, and psychological horror aesthetics such as from Jacob's Ladder) and applying it through a Japanese horror lens (a lot of the portrayal of these concepts is more comparable to j-horror than anything).
Because when you think about fantasy, you think something that is amazing and unique from your own place.
Medieval Europe fits this description. They're amazing era, and unique to Japan.
>>142602970
And Scandanavia had runes, it's not a replacement for an actual alphabet.
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I WANT to see an isekai based on early hinduistic India. There is so much potential to be had.
>>142603031
>unique from your own place.
unique than your own place (to you)*
>>142603051
POO
>>142603033
>not a replacement for an actual alphabet
And China never adopted an actual alphabet. Other than making movable type damn near impossible, and the consequences thereof, they seem to have done quite well without it.
>>142603000
I'm not just talking about the setting.
>>142603093
In modern maybe, in the past China damn near fucked itself because of it's refusal to adapt to change. Hence how it was conquered and divided among European nations, and then would've been conquered by Japan, a nation the size of Cali.
>>142603051
Akio is Indian Lucifer, though.
Well, I get what you mean, anyway. It REALLY pisses me off that the most anime portrayal we've gotten of things from the Mahabharata are from Type-Moon, which has gone STRAIGHT TO SHIT. And it hurts me really bad because Tsukihime is the reason I learned Japanese.
>>142603033
Why is it so important to you that a civilization has alphabet writing?
In the end, what matters isn't the form of communication, but its content, and just because a lot of cultures there had strong oral traditions, this doesn't denigrate anything, though I prefer writing, of course, since its more likely to survive untwisted.
Is Sokrates a bad thinker because he didn't write anything?
Besides, they eventually adopted Arabic, and Arabic is fine.
>>142603171
>it was conquered and divided among European nations,
>>142603014
>They used Arabic for writing, as did many civilizations at the time.
[citation needed]
Is it safe to say that whereas in the past, usually when main characters find themselves in a new and unfamiliar land of magic they tend to want to work towards finding a way home, but now overwhelmingly they just seem more interested in staying and have literally no interest in returning to Japan, even if they were transported rather than killed and reincarnated?
The Digimon crew wanted to go home, the Zero no Tsukaima MC wanted to go home, Kagome from Inuyasha wanted to go home, I'm pretty sure the Dog Days MC wanted to go home too. This sentiment seems to be much less common nowadays.
>>142603231
>what is the boxer rebellion
>>142603257
{{cite web|url=https://memory.loc.gov/intldl/malihtml/islam.html}}
>>142603051
Most things would be too OP.
>>142603231
Conquered is a strong term, I'll rescind that, and just say it was being dominated by European influence. And was divided into many zones and spheres of influence in which Europeans had far more rights and privileges than the Chinese in their own nation.
>>142599896
Read the neurosuegeon transported back to Edo and perform routine medical care the manga.
>>142599896
I'm just tired of those old fantasy settings in general. I want more of something based on a realistic-futuristic cyberpunk setting.
>>142600295
>Aztec settling, men using pants, there is a camel, there aren't men or women using earrings.
Why can't nips into history? Google can answer their questions.
>>142599973
It's not as overrated as Re:Zero. At least I got a few laughs out of Konosuba.
>>142599896
Multiple possible reasons, and probably as many real reasons as there are authors
First, different world is supposed to be a different world, and ancient Japan is just not that different. There are some series that do take place in historical Japan, but as you've pointed out, just not that many, because for them, even ancient Japan is still Japan.
Second, video games worldwide represent mostly "pseudo medieval European settings", and people thinking about going into game world mostly think about this kind of setting. And since those often are based on games, it makes them use most popular video game setting, that being "pseudo medieval Europe"
Third, ancient Japan is just not as interesting as medieval Europe. Conflicts in ancient Japan were mostly internal conflicts, with Japan being small enough to unite under single rule, pretty much eliminating diplomacy/royal courts/border conflicts and so on. Due to it's location, Japan had less contact with other nations, and that affected it's culture. I'm not going to pretend that I do know what did happen in ancient Japan or what did not, nor I'm going to guess it, but according to my limited knowledge, ancient Japan is just not as interesting as medieval setting.
>>142603127
Even then ZnT was just highschool SoL with warring states and aristocrats it lacked Isekai staples like adventurers/guilds, slaves, food porn and demon lords.
>>142603350
>Why can't nips into history?
Are you saying Hollywood doesn't do historically inaccurate movies?
>>142603376
>limited knowledge
That's where your credibility drops to zero.
>>142603273
Because the primary demographic for these works has no or few attachments they care for in the modern world. This often applies to the writers as well. When the most enjoyment they get out of life arises from escapism, then an eternal escape is simply a dream come true rather than an unwanted abduction from normality. In the past, plenty of people used to say "why doesn't he just stay in the fantasy world?" because to them it seemed much more interesting and enjoyable there than the protagonist's original life. Current isekai stories embrace this perception entirely.
>>142603257
Ibn Juzayy, a-K a-G. 1355. A Gift to Those Who Contemplate the Wonders of Cities and the Marvels of Travelling.
Why are there no isekai anime of worlds like, say, Tron?
>>142603554
Sci-Fi is junk.
>>142603503
That sounds both convincing and very sad, if true.
>>142600677
>American civilizations were built on human sacrifices, Aztecs sacrificed whole tribes in their conflicts
Native-americans did it? As far as I recall there was a civilization that built a city in the montains, they cultivate plants and rise animals. Also the aztec history is so inspirating. They were treated like shit, then when they became powerful they treated everyone like crap.
>and one theory suggests they turned into 'one race'
Care to explain.
>>142603257
Literally everyone from Nigeria to Pakistan.
Better question, why is magic in Anime so shit? It's always
>Summon giant pentacle or rune of some sort, shoot magic
Why can't they do magic better
I'd actually like some dirty space setting for once instead of beam spam robots.
>>142603739
Omoidashita!
>>142603016
M8, Claire wields fire. You sure you got the right TsundeRie?
>>142602622
>Civilization that has no writing and keeps itself up with something like slavetrade or war is no real civilization, it's just barbarism
It's civilizated barbarim, moralfag. Every civilization has a dark history, Rome loved violence, Grece were a bunch of faggots that loved to fuck each other and little pretty boys. Also war. Mongoloids were a great culture but they fucked Europe pretty hard.
>>142604038
>Mongoloids
I think you meant to say mongols.
>>142603610
Looking back over my post, I am perhaps exaggerating a bit the amount to which all isekai fans lack attachments, but the primary point is that a lot of people in the modern world - not simply in Japan, but in America as well - do not particularly enjoy their personal lives. Whether you are a hikkiNEET or a salary man who feels like they are enslaved by their career, isekai offers a safe, easy, and enjoyable escape from the pressures of a modern society that is inherently isolating. I am sure many people of sound mental health wouldn't mind being transported to a JRPG fantasy world and leaving their old life behind.
>>142602728
shut the fuck up
>>142603330
It's Real Robot rather than cyberpunk but read Muv-Luv Alternative
>>142601825
>it all started with
pfft
>>142603376
But actual historical conflict literally don't matter in the context of isekai settings because it's a completely different fantasy world with its own history only vaguely inspired by our own anyways.
What's important is the mythology and culture you can draw from an Japan has plenty even if it's actual history is lukewarm. Just look at Touhou.
>>142599896
But there is a series like that. It's Nobuna no Yabou.
Fucking SAO started this fantasy game cancer
You could think after 10 series like that they would have enough but no, fags just keep making them
>>142604402
>what is //Hack
Why was 90's anime fantasy so much better than the tripe we get nowadays?
Record of the Lodoss War? Slayers? Hell, even the isekai was better. El Hazard was great.
>>142604038
There is literally nothing wrong with gladiator shows.
>>142603457
Hollywood is in other level, they make their audiences believe their lies.
>>142600787
Absolute duo
>>142603739
>It's always
how about stop posting and lurk more or watch more?
>>142604506
At least they didn't watch The Kardashians.
And people call Roman culture a corrupt and decadent one...
I'm surprised that they use fire, water, earth, air instead of fire, water, wood/nature, metal, earth.
>>142604612
I've been watching anime since I was 12, I'm 22. I'ts a pretty consistent theme. Faggot.
>>142604471
it actually wasn't, they stuck firmly to cliches
>>142601047
>>142601187
>Get so angry the feeling laves your tastebuds
This is more because by modeling the world after your typical RPG, you basically get the typical RPG.
Medieval times. Feudal era. Europe or Japan same shit. Blame video games not anime.
Whens the last time you saw an MMO RPG that wasn't some fantasy medieval based setting. Why do we never have ancient united states of America MMOs?
Can we agree that murderhobo's guild is a mistake?
>>142604727
>ancient USA
How about you go read a history book.
>>142604690
you are that kind of people that watch every generic battle shonen of the seasons and then shitpost of how bad these shows are right? How about get better taste then?
>>142604727
>Why do we never have ancient united states of America MMOs?
Terrible sales
>>142604471
See
>>142604402
It's all wish fulfillment now. So until Japan stops being a miserable society, we're going to keep getting this sort of stuff.
>>142604727
>Whens the last time you saw an MMO RPG that wasn't some fantasy medieval based setting.
PSO2
Checkmate.
>>142604791
>monsters are a big enough nuisance to justify an incredibly popular profession dedicated to hunting them
>instead of creating a military force dedicated to this task they let privatized mercenary groups form everywhere to deal with them instead
>nobody thinks this is a terrible fucking idea ripe for disaster
Seriously, when there are more mercenaries than there are soldiers in the nation's military you know you've got a problem.
>>142599896
They do make them. You just don't watch them.
>>142604872
I don't watch any shounen, at all. Except I did finish Beezlebub, which is kinda shounen I guess.
>>142605021
But private corps always are better than state industries.
>>142604727
I blame WoW for this shit.
Isn't Japan supposed to have a boner for Ancient China, why isn't there a LN about being sent back in time to the Three Kingdoms Period or something?
>>142604682
>people call Roman culture a corrupt and decadent one
If by Roman you mean Hollywood Roman, sure.
>>142605021
In the past it wasn't uncommon to use mercenaries as a primary force, it's much more expensive for a nation to maintain a large standing army, so unless your goals are conquest, just hunting monsters would probably be better suited to mercenaries, if you dedicated forced to the beasts, you could be attacked by other nations.
Makes sense to me.
>>142604116
Apocalypse scenarios, through the disintegration of formal and informal social institutions, strike the same vein.
No longer does the salaryman of the zombie apocalpyse have to go to his monotonous work and accept being bossed around by that annoying, old supervisor. He can just smack him into the face.
No longer does the shy hikki have to phone home to report his of failings. His mother is gone!
No longer does the kissless, hugless, handholdingless 30 year old wizard have to restrain his sexual urges. He can just rape his most desired women.
However, with the loss of institutions, there comes a loss security. The salaryman doesn't want to smacked, the wizard doesn't want to be raped either, so the isekai scenario lets new, benevolent institutions come into play:
Instead of boring office work, the salaryman is now a famed monster hunter.
Instead of the mother being his only private social interaction, the hikki now acquires a band of friends and even a lover as a companion.
Instead of just wizardry, the Kissless now gain wizardry AND sexy waifus.
Isekai scenarios don't just try to take away what's annoying, they don't just try to give what's desirable - they try to replace what's annoying with what's desirable.
>>142604038
"Moralfag" has always been a stupid term. There is no one that isn't a moralfag, besides the nihilist, as whom most people calling others "moralfags" wouldn't describe themselves.
>>142604198
You get what I mean, damn it.
They started with something too, yeah. I could go on and on about the thematic inspirations of Wizardry/Ultima/D&D and how they cycle back into mythology. I could write a spiel about various other cultural mentalities (the propagation of moe, as an easy example) which play into why modern isekai are the way they are. There wasn't enough space in the post and its tangential to the core succession of events which led to the diffusion of these ideas in the first place.
Like this guy: >>142602696. "Most modern light novels are ripping off Zero no Tsukaima." I would call this a huge over-simplification, but it is also impossible to deny that ZnK was very popular and had a strong influence on the light novel industry. You can apply the same lens to Shakugan no Shana. Anyone who remembers these works knows that there were many attempts to imitate certain core elements of them, generally for the worse. If we get into that sphere of light novel history, we also have to take into account how light novels have progressed from mostly rather grim and serious works such as Boogiepop and Kara no Kyoukai to extraordinarily meta and often more lighthearted fair in general, which was a progression that occurred throughout the '00s. You can place a lot of the blame for that on Haruhi, but even that's something of a simplification.
We could also point to the subject of monmusu. Monmusu tend to exist in the same JRPG-based settings as isekai and syosetu stories, even when they don't simply overlap in the same medium to begin with. Even if their inspirations can be traced back to D&D, which arose from Gygax's interest in a cornucopia of mythology and weird fiction, they also arise from Japan's traditional folklore regarding henge, supernatural animals transforming into hot chicks, as well as the popular trend of moe anthropomorphism.
I can only go so far into the history of these things before I run out of space, anon.
>>142605021
When your countryside is full of super-powered monsters it doesn't matter what you choose to do.
Your country is fucked and burning.
The average RPG setting is completely impossible.
Europe isn't the place where civilization exploded just because we have nicer weather than Africa.
We also have no lions. And lions are NOTHING against the stuff you routinely meet in RPGs or RPG-inspired anime.
>>142605148
Then invent a new term.
>>142605249
"Person I don't agree with".
>>142605210
>When your countryside is full of super-powered monsters it doesn't matter what you choose to do.
>Your country is fucked and burning.
To be fair they also have super-powered humans.
>>142605148
>There is no one that isn't a moralfag, besides the nihilist
>>142605288
>To be fair they also have super-powered humans.
Are they farmers?
>>142599896
>Why don't these NEETs ever reincarnate into fantasy worlds based on ancient Japan?
Battle Girls Time Paradox is amazingthe full female cast is good for my dick
>>142605417
>all female cast
Literal shit, I can never finish anything with that much estrogen.
>>142605298
Careful with that edge there
>>142605021
They're not even mercenaries. Adventurers are more like a very poorly organized citizen's militia, or a neighborhood association.
So, would any of you seriously be reborn/reincarnated in a typical isekai world if given the chance? Let's say you have to take your decision in 10 seconds from now.
I know I would
>>142605613
Only if I hard work can get me somewhere, If I'm destined to be a regular powerless peasant, no thanks.
>>142600123
Gun x Sword (2005)
>>142603503
Unless you are a truly unfortunate soul who escaped a warzone with nothing but the clothes on your back, or you are some kind of absolute loser who was disowned by your whole family and are living on the dole doing nothing but playing vidya all day, it's really unlikely that you would have so little attachment to the world that you're okay with being abducted to some strange foreign country and made to fight for your life.
>>142605564
The best thing about adventurers though, is you don't have to pay them, they're like free labor, whether they succeed or fail, it's no skin off the gubbermints nose.
>>142605613
Chances are you'll end up as some shitty dirtfarmer in the middle of nowhere.
I need a guarantee I can go on adventures.
>>142605705
sign me up
>>142605613
Can I join Aqua-sama's religion?
>>142605669
i watched that because i thought it was a western but it turned out to be a fucking mecha show. a shitty one.
>>142605613
Only if I can be a mage.
>>142599896
Because it's shit
Have you seen inuyasha?
>>142605564
The lower ranked ones, maybe. However, you have to remember that in most isekai settings adventurer ranks go all the way up to A and those in that class are usually Yuusha-tier that can fell entire dragons singlehandedly.
There's really no equivalent real-world organization that caters to that kind of contractor.
>>142605705
>it's really unlikely that you would have so little attachment to the world that you're okay with being abducted to some strange foreign country and made to fight for your life
I would be ok with that. Anything is better than waking up every day thinking about the best way to kill myself.
>>142605140
If you let the mercenary forces inside the nation grow larger than your dedicated fighting force you run a very real danger of a coup or rebellion that you are powerless to stop.
>>142605728
>you don't have to pay them
Well you do, but the pay is decided solely by the guild because the guild is a monopoly employer.
Furthermore the adventurers also have to pay membership fees to the guild using money paid to them by the guild for the privilege of being allowed to have the guild act as the middleman between them and the clients.
Moreover the guild has no obligation to provide adventurers with anything even resembling training, equipment, supplies, or even insurance, so the membership fees are just going to pad the pockets of the executives.
>>142605878
At that level, the yuushas shouldn't even bother having to use the adventurers guild and letting them take a cut of their earnings, they would be better off going fully private, advertising their services themselves and dealing with clients directly.
Adventurer guilds would actually make sense if LN authors didn't insist on also making them run miscellaneous errands while also being primarily a monster hunting guild.
The fucking merchants' guild isn't going to regularly take requests for their apprentices to go fetch twenty herbal grasses from the Verdant Plains area or accept requests to deliver a letter to a nearby village. You don't waste your associations' fucking time with inane shit like that has nothing to do with your profession.
Why aren't new adventurers being apprenticed under senior adventurers for the duration of their time as an F rank instead of dusting porches and catching lost animals?
Because it's just gooks stabbing other gooks who look exactly the same except in different colors and their mythology is raccoons with giant balls that fart.
>>142599896
>Why don't these NEETs ever reincarnate into fantasy worlds based on ancient Japan?
Oh I don't know, maybe because they LIVE IN JAPAN.
>>142606152
Because go play some old RPGs, you're a delivery boy, a bitch, or a farmhand in the start.
>>142606115
They would if it wasn't for the fact that most adventurer guilds seem to be run like incredibly benevolent and unrealistic non-profit organizations that take an incredibly small cut in return for ridiculously good and efficient bureaucratic services.
Yuushas don't go private because the adventurer guilds are already the best bang they'll get for their buck.
>>142603028
Well, they're about as historical as western fantasy settings used for anime.
>>142606225
But that process is never fucking formalized, all the dumbest, most trivial quests you pick up usually come from talking to random townsfolk directly. You don't go to the fucking guild and talk to a receptionist to receive a quest to search for Alicia's lost kitty in return for a paltry reward of six gald.
>>142606328
>six gald
>not a kiss on the cheek
Rejected.
>>142606152
But if the guild didn't offer dumb shit like looking for lost cats and solving phantom thief riddles alongside pest control and package delivery, it wouldn't resemble a videogame sidequest system would it?
People in here like Overlord and not Konosuba, Jesus Christ baka
Because
Dragons > Foxes
Wizards/Archmages > Shintoists
Broadsword/Claymores > Katana
Shiny metal full plate > leather rags
Catapults, Balista, menacing forts > daimyo castles
>>142606152
>F rank
Why do settings where the MC explicitly notes the writing system and language is different still use the Latin alphabet for adventurer rankings?
>>142606455
The same reason why the oral language is identical to Japanese despite the writing system being completely different and everyone having vaguely Germanic names.
Because fuck you.
>>142604211
They do matter. Europe with it's ripe history of warfare developed many different ways to wage war, war machines, supply chains, invasions, occupations, and so on, and so on. None of actual conflicts matter in isekai, but what matters is how those conflicts developed culture and 'setting'. For example, European castles were build for defenders to stay inside and defend from there, with supplies to last for months, for reinfocements to arrive, while attackers emplyed different techniques to get over walls or break down gates. On the other hand, in Japan either defenders came out of the castle and fought it out in the open, or stayed inside while both sides did nothing but played the waiting game.
Same principle, but non-warfare example, you can easly fit "colonizing new continent" into medieval Europe based setting because that did happen. Ships were designed to handle long voyages, sailing techniques were developed to navigate ocean, and so on. You could try doing that with ancient Japan setting, but you would have to make up all necessary things that did not actually happen in Japan.
Now, if you want to talk only about mythology and culture, it's certainly possible to create a mix where those things are drawn from Japan. But even in those cases, parts of the world will be filled with elements from medieval setting when they are deemed "cooler". Like stone castles, cannons, or beer.
>>142606455
Why is everyone in anime white instead of yellow?
>>142606257
>most adventurer guilds seem to be run like incredibly benevolent and unrealistic non-profit organizations that take an incredibly small cut in return for ridiculously good and efficient bureaucratic services
The Japanese civil service is far more efficient than the American one, this may color the writers' perception of bureaucracy.
>>142606534
>beer
>cooler
>>142599896
>Why don't these NEETs ever reincarnate into fantasy worlds based on ancient Japan?
are you fucking new or something?
They reincarinate into ancient Japan all the fucking time
How does civilized society even arise in a world where everywhere is Australia and steroids and mega-powerful fauna are constantly threatening the well-being of humanity?
Wouldn't humanity be too busy trying not to die to grow past the hunter gatherer stage?
>>142606455
Why does Star Wars use the Latin alphabet to describe the shape of its starfighters when they explicitly use some alien alphabet to write the language?
>>142606537
Yellow crayons are expensive in Japan
>>142601767
That's just a nigger thing.
>>142606594
Blabla goddess or some nigger shit throws down something or other that can OHKO everything that breathes also polygamy is legal
>>142606594
MAGIC
>Reincarnation series
>Half of the protagonists aren't even literally reborn
>>142606439
>Dragons > Foxes
>Wizards/Archmages > Shintoists
>Broadsword/Claymores > Katana
Agree
>Shiny metal full plate > leather rags
>Catapults, Balista, menacing forts > daimyo castles
Samurai Armor is pretty neat and so are Japanese style castles. And a Sengoku setting with too much emphasis on the Katana would be annoying. Bows, matchlocks, spears, and Naginata all have a place.
>>142599896
Because that was the popular thing in the 2000s, now is be reincarnated in a RPG world like Dragon Quest.
Shows based on the MC transported to acient japon
Jin
Nobunaga no Chef
Inuyasha
Nobunaga Concerto
Ambition of oda nobuna
Fire tripper
Amatsuki
Onigamiden
Battle Girls: Time Paradox
>>142600295
That's more inca than aztec
>>142606594
I would say it's because in said fantasy setting humans are even more powerful by comparison but usually in these settings the majority of people are still weak-ass peasants and only a small minority grow strong enough to challenge said mega-fauna to battle.
Maybe civilization was established before monsters suddenly became a problem due to demon lord shenanigans or whatever.
>>142600033
Between the literal retard OP and the /pol/shitters, that thread was hilarious.
>>142606782
Link to archive please?
>>142606723
>shows
Most of those aren't really fantasy worlds, anyway.
>>142606782
Now I really feel like I've missed out.
>>142606594
Mega powerful fauna are not swarming and have well defined habitats
>>142606809
>>142606875
https://desustorage.org/a/thread/142027567/
>>142600123
>>142606578
beerhall*
Seriously, if you wanted to get drunk, you would rather drink sake from small cups, or get served a cold beer in a proper beer stein by a busty serving girl?
>>142606891
>fantasy Earth was an alright place until some asshole wizard collided fantasy Australia with the main landmass and introduced nightmarish monsters to the rest of the world
>>142606328
>You don't go to the fucking guild and talk to a receptionist to receive a quest to search for Alicia's lost kitty in return for a paltry reward of six gald.
You clearly aren't playing enough JRPGs.
>>142606891
Then where's the pressing need to adventurers if the wyverns and greater demonic boars keep to themselves?
>>142606594
Magic means they don't need to waste as much time with certain tasks and resource management although this means education is even more important.
>>142607052
It's the frontier, son
