Why wasn't Asuka training in Japan the moment she became the Second Child? NERV knows that the Angels are coming for Lilith, so why are they stationing their only other known pilot thousands of miles away when the Angels could attack at any moment?
>>142587954
They can't have a stockpile of Evas ready. Had to be spread out
>>142588046
An organization with unlimited funding and a massive underground base didn't have spare space and resources to build a couple extra Evas?
>>142588129
>unlimited funding
They never had unlimited funding, they said so in the show. There was a reason too, but I'm too lazy to explain it.
>>142587954
Unit 02 was built in Germany.
And there was no "any moment". NERV, or at least Gendo and Seele, knew exactly when the Angels would appear.
Not paying attention doesn't make something a plot hole.
>>142588162
>They never had unlimited funding, they said so in the show.
This organization is responsible for saving humanity, why isn't every nation in the world assisting them to save the human race?
>There was a reason too, but I'm too lazy to explain it.
Oh right, "reasons."
Okay, shut the thread down.
>>142588177
>And there was no "any moment". NERV, or at least Gendo and Seele, knew exactly when the Angels would appear.
How did they know that? Did they read the script? Did the Angels read it too? Did the Angels say, "Okay guys, we have to wait until their ready for a fair fight. And when they are ready for a fair fight we have to send all of us one by one, like Power Rangers or something."
>>142588209
UN were behind budgets. It's also a post apocalyptic world. There's not much money flowing
>>142588249
>How did they know that?
>so why are they stationing their only other known pilot
She's not the only other known pilot
>NERV knows that the Angels are coming for Lilith
The other bases do not know this.
>>142588249
Bait
>>142588249
As I said, not paying attention doesn't make something a plot hole.
You'd know if you actually payed attention.
>>142588342
It's a logical fallacy, that makes it a plot-hole. The only way it makes sense is if you suspend your disbelief, rather expel your disbelief.
>>142588209
>Oh right, "reasons."
Most of the world thinks NERV is full of shit, and throughout the show SEELE keeps pushing the UN to cut their funding. Pay attention to the shit in the show, you dopey cunt.
>>142588209
Did you even watch the show? A lot of people didn't want to put faith in the Eva's. The military was completely useless against the Angels, but they still fought them. Why haven't they abandoned the military then?
You didn't watch the show. You're asking dumb questions that have been answered in the anime and is trying to make the show look bad.
>>142588293
This is incorrect.
>>142587954
Asuka wasn't in Japan because there was a script they were following.
Did you faggots not pay attention to the show?
>>142588209
Yes there were reasons you dumb fuck. It's not even a complicated one. It's very logical and was brief in its explanation. Maybe if you watched the fucking show
Why are the three Eva pilots even in high school? It would be really easy for a mentally-ill person with allusions of being an apocalypse-bringer to shoot the three pilots in their class-room.
Why are they bothering learning algebra and history when their main concern should be saving the world?
Why aren't the three pilots' identities confidential?
>>142587954
Asuka was training in Germany while the German branch of NERV finished Eva Unit-02.
Why was it built in Germany? Germany had the industrial base necessary to build one- a major undertaking- but mostly it was UN/NERV/SEELE politics. I'm pretty sure Keele Lorenz is German, and pulled the strings necessary to get it built in Germany.
Buying off German politicians would have been important too, to make sure they continued funding NERV. Keep in mind that the US got to build TWO Eva units due to similar lobbying efforts.
I think the bigger question is why wasn't Shinji getting any training.
Well I know why because Gendo was trying to keikakuu all over everyone's day but you'd think Misato would bring it up.
Then again Misato's a drunk whore so eh
>>142588570
>Why are the three Eva pilots even in high school?
Because they have their mothers' souls on backup to boost their synch ratio up enough for them to pilot better.
>Why are they bothering learning algebra and history when their main concern should be saving the world?
Because they're trying to live a somewhat normal life during the few moments of peace that they have. Also Shinji is the only one who needs real training as Asuka and Rei are already well trained.
>Why aren't the three pilots' identities confidential?
They live in a military city where everything is already based around their ability to pilot. It doesn't matter.
>>142588614
Shinji was getting training though.
>>142588570
These questions are literally explained in the three, if not the first, episodes.
Your first question is literally seen in all the episodes.
>>142588655
No he wasn't he was completely in the dark till he was getting his face caved in by an angel
>>142588658
>These questions are literally explained in the three, if not the first, episodes.
>Your first question is literally seen in all the episodes.
You can come up with any nonsense to explain a flawed situation, that doesn't mean it makes any sense.
If this were real life, those three kids would be training 10 hours a day in a heavily guarded environment.
>>142588614
I don't think Gendo intended to even use Shinji until it was clear that Rei wasn't completely compatible with Unit-01. Gendo called for Shinji because he was the only pilot Yui would completely accept, not because it was part of his original plan.
>>142588710
Yes, he was; watch episode 3. You're also stupid if you think he wasn't training further to improve his skills later on just because you don't see it on screen.
>>142588724
Oh he was but he knew Yui would protect him, Shinji "training" was for one thing, Instrumentality.
>>142588718
But this is an anime. And the topic was plot holes. And the questions you brought up have answers. I don't understand your problem here.
They don't really need training because it's about the sync ratio they have with the evangelion units. Why do you think they ran tests in a bunch of episodes for the sync ratios? Did you watch the fucking show?
>>142588718
How is it flawed when it makes perfect sense in-universe?
>If this were real life
Too bad it isn't.
>>142588718
>why are the mentally unstable pilots given the pretense of a normal life instead of strict, constant training conditions
If they'd done what you'd said then you'd just be complaining about that instead. Jesus christ you people just get stupider and stupider.
>>142588853
>If they'd done what you'd said then you'd just be complaining about that instead.
No I wouldn't, that's exactly what needed to be done and what I would expect would happen in real life.
Just think about it for 5 seconds. The world that you and I are living in is in imminent danger. The only thing that can save us is a 15 year old boy. Do you want that 15 year old boy attending a public high school?
>>142588907
If the fate of humanity depended on his mental stability would you rather have him isolated in a facility?
>>142588907
Why would you put pressure of saving the world on a teenager? They're bound to have psychological problems. They gave him a "normal" life
>>142588973
Put him on anti-depressants and throw him into therapy for a few hours a week. We're really going to let the savior of humanity doddle around a public school?
>>142587954
>so why are they stationing their only other known pilot thousands of miles away
Redundancy. Same reason you dont stockpile all your munitions in one area.
>>142588907
>Do you want that 15 year old boy attending a public high school?
Yeah, actually. Besides getting in the fucking robot I'd want him to have as normal a life as possible. This is why Misato takes him in. So she can monitor his mental state and provide comfort when necessary. It's just unfortunate that she's as broken as he is so she cannot perform that job effectively, but because of how much she values her work she cannot defer that job to anyone else. Same reason why she climbed into JA, it needed to be done and no one else wanted to or could do it to her standard.
>>142589069
>Redundancy.
They have a redundant amount of pilots? They have one pilot and two Evas at the start of the show. The first episode revolves around NERV needing a back-up pilot, so why didn't they think of finding one sooner?
>>142589060
You have the worst arguments ever. You're just pulling this shit from your ass desu
>>142588751
>Yes, he was; watch episode 3. You're also stupid if you think he wasn't training further to improve his skills later on just because you don't see it on screen.
BEFORE the fact shit for brains. All his training was AFTER he became a pilot. I didn't say he never trained at all.
>>142589060
>Therapy
We've been through this. Therapy isn't a thing in Japan, it comes from the whole being honorable thing. It's one of the reasons Japan has one of the highest rates of suicide in the world.
>>142589159
That's what they tell the administrators. It's part of Geno's script.>>142589163
>>142589159
They have multiple bases around the world, each one has their own pilots and Evas.
They also have the entire class full of potential pilots. The fact that they're looking for a pilot of Eva 01, however, makes it a special case far above simply "Saving the world" for obvious reasons if you've watched the fucking show.
>>142589178
Because Gendo was hoping he wouldn't have to use Shinji at all. He is a last resort.
>>142589163
The logic that this show follows is pulling shit from their ass.
>>142589210
>Because Gendo was hoping he wouldn't have to use Shinji at all. He is a last resort.
you don't not train your emergency option. That's all the more reason to make sure he got at the very minimum BASIC training
>>142589210
>They have multiple bases around the world, each one has their own pilots and Evas.
Why? NERV knows the Angels are coming for Lilith in Japan, why are they keeping this a secret? What's the point of keeping it a secret? Why aren't they focusing all of their effort towards Japan?
>>142589250
How so? Your arguments have been derailed already.
>>142589291
What part "Gendo was hoping he wouldn't have to use Shinji at all" do you not understand? Ideally, Shinji would have fuck all to do with anything.
>>142589304
Now you're just asking questions that have already been answered.
Again, Nerv is not just Gendo; there are multiple bases that do not know this stuff. The reason that it's a secret would be pretty god damn obvious to you if you paid any attention to the fucking show; if all the nerv bases know about Lilith, then Gendo has an increasingly difficult time pulling of his real goal, which is not saving the world. He has a hard enough time with Seele as is.
>>142589310
Your counter-arguments are based on the flawed logic presented by the show. It makes no sense for NERV to let the fate of the world wander the streets like a normal 15 year old. You're actively risking the fate of the entire world every time he steps outside.
>>142588570
The identities of the Children are common knowledge to most of the characters because they're either coworkers or peers to them. They aren't known outside the city owned by Nerv, controlled by their computer, and swarming with their secret police.
>>142589356
>What part "Gendo was hoping he wouldn't have to use Shinji at all" do you not understand? Ideally, Shinji would have fuck all to do with anything.
what part of EMERGENCY PROTOCOL are you not getting?
You don't plan for the ideal situations you plan for the absolute worst
>>142589356
Gendo real goal was very simple, reunite with Yui.
Shinji was "trained" to not reject instrumentality, Rei was "trained" to accept Gendo command to start instrumentality.
What gone wrong was Rei refusing Gendo and allow Shinji to make the decision over Instrumentality and Shinji rejecting it ... overall his plan was simply a alternation of SEELE plan, I would guess SEELE plan was having Shinji accept instrumentality as Gendo gone along but was attempting for Rei to start it anyway ...
Then again NGE story just gets weird as Gendo and SEELE just want the same thing, I think the only difference was SEELE was willing to sacrifice Yui as Gendo wanted Yui back no matter the cost.
I'm pretty disgusted with these replies, you guys are all fucking idiots.
Diplomatic laws stated that no country can have more than three active evas in any given state.
Nerv was never seen as a holy organization with Jesus robots and the beginning of the series clearly shows that nerv was a last resort; they aren't respected among military organizations.
Japan had no jurisdiction over unit 2 until the mobilization was approved once the angles started to attack, it's implied that red tape is very much active even in a post apocalyptic world.
>>142589408
He's not wandering the streets. In the case of an emergency, there are sirens that alert the whole city and I'm pretty sure he knows where to go.
Leaving him locked up and waiting for the next angel strike doesn't do shit to for overall theme of his internal conflict. I'm not going to say your way is wrong but it's just really fucking stupid.
>>142589524
>Nerv was never seen as a holy organization with Jesus robots and the beginning of the series clearly shows that nerv was a last resort; they aren't respected among military organizations.
So then why weren't they seen as the savior of humanity after the second angel kill? The first one could've been a coincidence, but they seem to have a pretty good grasp of how to handle invincible, hostile aliens after the second kill.
>>142589586
He was wandering streets. He had a security tail the whole time but he slept on a bench, had some red-tinted fit, and hiked out of the city.
>>142589646
Because evas are incredibly unstable and are piloted by 14 year olds. That's why theres an episode about wanting a robot that runs on nuclear power, they want something more consistent and humane. No one thinks that what nerv is doing is ethical from the getgo, to most of the world they're just crazy scientists that use kids and giant organic monsters to achieve their means. As a military commander you'd do anything to not lend credibility to something like nerv, even if they're "successful".
>>142589461
You can't completely not involve shinji if you start involving him as a backup. Gendo wants Shinji nowhere near Eva 01 and gets rid of him as soon as he thinks he can. There is more at stake here than just the end of the world.
>>142589524
>Diplomatic laws stated that no country can have more than three active evas in any given state.
Rebuild only you fucking retard
>>142589586
I'm not saying he's literally just wandering the streets, I'm alluding to the pointlessness of his copious fraternizing.
You're not leaving him locked up as much as you're training his ability to save the world.
Shinji should be in peak physical and mental condition. Physical is easy, you regulate his sleep, exercise, and diet. Mental is admittedly harder because of his difficult childhood. NERV needed to isolate what bothered Shinji the most in therapy and corrected it. Instead, they let the fate of the world rest in his own hands.
Shinji is the world's only hope. Shinji doesn't get to live a normal life, so why bother trying to inject him into a normal life?
>>142589524
>Diplomatic laws stated that no country can have more than three active evas in any given state.
wowow, cool your engine anon, cool your engine... Do not mix rebuild with NGE,
>>142589912
I think that's mainly becasue Gendou doen't give a single fuck about him, outside being just able to pilot de eva, do not getting it destroyed (Like with zeruel) and not to die until instrumentality.
Gendou (And mainly fuyutsuki and MAGI) managed all the scare money the UN gave them, and shinji, outside of being in phisical well being, was of minor interest for them than... repairing eva 00.
>>142589858
So what's the logic by the fifth kill? "They just keep getting lucky, those crazy scientists at NERV."
Furthermore, all of the Angel attacks have been in Japan up until Gaghiel. Why isn't the world then realizing that the NERV base in Tokyo is the bastion of humanity? If the world was near certain doom unless every nation on earth concentrated their efforts on Japan, the world would do it in a heartbeat.
>Wah, why isn't Shinji trained more like people in the military?!
You don't need very much training to pilot an Eva. You just need a high synch ratio, and the electronic components of the Eva will compensate for the rest. The most important thing is to raise your synch ratio, because a higher synch ratio gives you a better ability to move how you want to inside of the Eva.
How do you raise your synch ratio? Well, we see it get higher in tune with the characters' self esteem getting better, giving them better synch ratios when they're happy or have a goal that they've internalized. How do you make them happy then? 10 hours of training their bodies, which they won't even be using? Military tactics which, as we've seen, are worthless? No, you let them live as normal a life as possible, making friends and enjoying what little time they have available to them.
Also of note is the fact that they're fighting fucking aliens, each one completely different from the last. You're not fighting humans; military tactics don't work here. Each Angel is more like a puzzle than an enemy to beat down, and sitting around throwing bullets at each one until you run out is worthless.
>>142589858
Also from that episode, Tokita even knowing AT Fields existed was supposed to be a huge intelligence leak. All the information is tightly controlled and Angels don't attack anywhere else, the rest of the world doesn't know it's a big deal.
>>142590071
>Why isn't the world then realizing that the NERV base in Tokyo is the bastion of humanity?
Why do you think Asuka is sent to Japan?
>>142587954
Because reasons. Why aren't all of the candidates running sims constantly instead of playing make believe in a high school?
>>142587954
Definition of plot hole: all I would have written differently and don't like.
>>142590309
Already explained >>142590121, they do basic training, anything more advanced is pointless because angels have wildly varied and exotic capabilities that make conventional combat training of little use, as each must be dealt with on a case by case basis. The best they can do is try to keep their synch ration high, which means keeping them in a good mental state, which means giving them an approximation of an ordinary life.
If they were able to harvest the souls of dead people and transfer it to different bodies, why didn't they do it with Kaji? Why would death matter at all?
How did animals come to be if the only beings Lilith was capable of birthing were humans with souls?
>>142588380
I'll bite.
The Dead Sea Scrolls are a huge source of information for SEELE, including the arrival time of the Angels.
If you were paying more attention, you would know this.
>>142590309
Synch ratios, which are a huge portion of the pilots' actual effectiveness in combat, are based in mental health. Anything like that level of training that would impact their mental health would diminish their combat ability more in the sinking sync ratio than it would benefit in practical combat ability.
That's why Shinji- the worst pilot by any reasonable measure of real combat ability- is still overall the most effective.
>>142591107
Pretty sure that's because his mom is the Eva rather than any justification for his lack of training.
>>142591107
Actually, it's not like a lot of straight up fighting happens in the TV show. Besides the first two Angels that show up, generally the situation requires some lateral thinking and unorthodox strategies.
>5,6: Op Yashima. In this case sync ratio was literally the only important thing, since accuracy depends on it alone and Shinji only needed to shoot.
>8
Asuka manages with some help
>9
The training here wasn't really EVA-related. It's more of a gag episode realyl
>10
There wasn't a proper fight in this episode.
>11
Again, not really a proper fight. But we do see the sync->accuracy argument show up again
>12
Not a real fight either, more like a race
>13
No EVAs were deployed
>16
Shinji fails spectacularly and then his mother saves him
>18
Shinji literally doesn't make a move, Dummy plug does everything
>19
The only legitimate brawl in the entire series, but Shinji loses pathetically and again Yui has to step in.
>22
Shinji doesn't deploy
>23
Shinji is useless
>24
eh
>>142589524
>Diplomatic laws stated that no country can have more than three active evas in any given state.
The Vatican Treaty isn't in Neon Genesis. Japan would have had four active Evas if Unit 03 hadn't been a trojan horse. Misato even comments that you could conquer the world with four Evas.
None of them have more than that because they're fucking expensive to build.
