can someone here explain to me why Griffith did nothing wrong and why he isn't evil 100% evil?
Sorry I'm not very familiar of berserk.
OP here, are his actions justified and only did it for the greater good?
>>142509800
No.
>>142509830
Then why I see many posters here on /a/ defending him?
what's the best way to buy Berserk and can Dark Horse be trusted for providing a good, uncensored or mirrored scan and translation?
>>142509909
Don't use emoticons on /a/.
>>142509755
>why Griffith did nothing wrong and why he isn't evil 100% evil
He did everything wrong and he is 100% evil after the Eclipse. Just wait until something goes wrong in Falconia, it's gonna be a blood bath.
>want to read berzerk
>3 volumes already cost me $75
>the rest is going to cost me a fortune
I've been collecting manga for close to a year now and this is the best manga i've bought so far, man I just wanna read some seinen involving demons and shit, why's it gotta be so expensive?
No I'm not reading it online, non-physical fags fuck off.
>>142509989
>>142510357
Download the high resolutions scans.
>>142509932
It's a joke.
>>142510357
>non-physical fags fuck off.
oh...i mean it's okay if you buy them directly in Japanese but if you're gonna wait for official translation of the volumes to read them ...then you're a fucking retard
>>142509922
>the child he made
it's actually guts' child that was corrupted then used as a vessel when he was reborn
>>142509755
Reminder official colors
>>142509922
Does it count as cucking if its raping
>>142510574
30 something volumes is enough to keep me occupied for a while.
>>142510666
I still can't get over schierke's color scheme. The entire manga, I assumed she had a brown robe and hat and blonde hair.
>>142510666
Is Guts probably part demon? because he looks a lot like Zodd in that image.
>>142510357
>3 volumes already cost me $75
Just wait till you get further on. The later volumes will really sting you.
>>142511000
He has an behelit that always comes back to him, just like Griffith. that could mean he's very close to becoming one.
>>142510357
you can read it online for FREE you dumb fuck
there are even perfect sites/programs designed to make reading manga easy and intuitive
I really don't fucking see how you can bitch about paying $75 for three books when you could read them online for free
>>142511046
I heard that begins where the anime ends.
Is that why it's so out of print?
Because people have been buying the shit out of it?
>>142511000
That would explain a lot actually.
>>142511128
b-but you get to hold the book in your hands...
>>142511131
Pretty much. Volume 13: The Rape. It's also where the removed chapter would of sat.
Looking at buying the first volume to give it a go right now.
>>142511000
>>142511123
>>142511163
Building on this
Some scenes in the anime makes it look like Guts has a devil-tail. I'm not sure if that's just to counter Griffith looking like an "angel", or if it hints at something more.
>>142509932
Because they want his boipussy
>>142509800
Yes, he is 100% in the clear, he's a fucking saint who just wanted some power.
Griffith did nothing wrong!!!
>>142509755
It's just a meme, a joke. Nothing to take seriously.
>>142510499
>It's a joke.
I actually think Hawk might be dead though.
>>142509755
it's a meme you dip
>>142510499
>>142511982
>>142512128
>Implying he didn't have the right to use that nigger as a subhuman fucktoy like God intended
>Implying he didn't have the right over everyone of those bitches who followed him and gave themselves to him
>Implying Guts is the '''''''''hero'''''''
Top kek, fedora tips all around.
>>142509979
Don't buy it. Just download the volumes off of manga traders.>>142509979
>>142510737
It counts even more.
>>142509755
He only killed a few hundred people, those being people in the BoTH that pledged themselves to him anyway. Now he's basically single handedly saving the entire planet with Falconia.
His methods sucked, but he did what had to be done.
If anything Guts is the evil one for pointlessly trying to kill him out of spite and revenge.
>>142514064
>I'm becoming slowly retarded
Never read/watched Berserk. Does she actually say that?
>>142514403
Yes.
>>142514403
No, she doesn't.
>>142514470
is just pulling your leg.
>>142514337
>Now he's basically single handedly saving the entire planet with Falconia.
You mean the handful that get there?
>>142512035
I'm not.
>>142514629
Kill yourself.
>>142514734
This is (part of) why I never visit you guys anymore.
>>142514629
Have sex with me.
Please.
Daily reminder Griffith is a fag still throwing an existential hissyfit over losing his mancrush.
>>142514337
flacon is can only probably hold maybe 50,000 people or less, it's not a gigantic city. and he created an apocalypse in global scale, those who can't travel their has to deal with horrible monsters from their worst nightmares. his kill count will be uncountable.
>>142514815
Everything bad in this world happened because the best bromance of all time ended on bad terms.
Griffiths men knew the risks when they signed up. He said he was going to make his own country and that they might have to die for it. And guess what, they did. Somehow that makes him the bad guy even though he told them before entering their contract with his Group. Griffith is now literally making the world perfect. He's creating a utopia society where demons and humans live in harmony and he is striking down the rich and selfish and creating a new future build on equality and brotherhood.
Meanwhile, after Guts totally abandons Griffith because "muh meaning in life" he thinks he can just waltz on after committing treason. Therefore,Griffith becomes a cripple and a mute all because of Guts selfish desires. Griffith then punishes Guts for his betrayal by sleeping with his girlfriend (not raping,we all know Casca loved it. Just look at her face) and then Griffith returns to Guts asking him if he wishes to help him build this Utopia and Guts starts crying about "muh Waifu".
So tl;dr Guts is what is wrong with the world. Selfish and unloyal. Griffith is trying to create a world where people like Guts no longer terrorise the weak.
>>142514837
Falconia * damn it
>>142514875
I bet he brought a guts mask with him an made Charlotte wear it.
>>142514923
How can you say stuff like this when we actually witnessed how the scene went?
>>142514882
Griffith, stop posting on 4chan.
>>142509755
Wrong mercenary way.
>>142514777
If only Lelouch would do the same.
>>142514837
>it's not a gigantic city
It is though.
Griffith thinks like a great man that can change history. Guts thinks like a dumb peasant and doesn't care about the big picture.
>>142514962
See you love it here.
>>142515754
This. Guts confirmed a nigger
>>142515925
I don't... but I might as well post since I'm already there.
>>142514837
Sacrifices must be made for the betterment of humanity. Griffith unlike the Nazis or the Communists can succeed because he isn't a mere human.
>>142509922
Racist AND a speedreader. Despicable.
>>142516004
More like Guts is a representation of the common man who simply doesn't want to deal with the bullshit, except he uses a sword to make his point not twitter
How does the scabbard/sheath of Guts in the Golden Age work? How does he put back his sword once he's done fighting?
>>142514837
>from their worst nightmares
You mean from their greatest desires. Monsters only exist because humans want them to exist. Any grief caused by creatures from fantasia is the fault of humans, not Griffith.
>>142514815
Daily reminder to read the manga and stop spouting bullshit.
He basically cried like a bitch and took his anger out on they royalty chick then fucked his band over and lost all the progress in one night.
Griffith is fucking pathetic.
>>142516644
Its like a big leather condom, so he probably oils his sword up and just slides it in there.
>Literally a finger-puppet to the very primordial concept of human evil
>Not evil
Griffith is the good guy, Guts and his selfish dream are irrelevant.
Rickert basically joined ISIS so he is the bad guy now.
>>142516763
>I don't understand the manga: the post
>>142516763
>very primordial concept of human evil
That's not what the Idea of Evil is, the name is actually a red herring. Its only purpose is to give people what they desire the most.
>>142509755
Dunno about the "nothing wrong" part, but let's be honest, we all would've done the same.But raping Casca was over the line.
>>142516740
Posts like this are how you can tell Griffith was in the right, OP. They have no insight and fail to examine the situation on any level. Literally every single post defending Guts and damning Griffith is as thoughtless and emotion based as this one.
>>142516942
Fucking that royal chick was retarded no excuses.
>>142516740
The Princess? Naww, he hit her up for a bootycall/pity fuck, and then just sort of acted like a lump of meat or useless piece of shit when the guards showed up, which is totally out of character.
But then shitting the bed like that in general was out of character. He was off his game because Guts leaving (and beating!) him in such a dramatic fashion basically broke him, really.
He was never really quite right, really, but that event made him snap and he's been nothing but trouble for the entire world because the infernal powers that run the world find his petty power fantasies and shittery to be delicious, so they subsidize his little sham messiah business.
He'd still be a bitter cripple if he had in fact, not succeeded in killing himself or just plain died because he was so frail otherwise.
What he did was wrong but come'on if you were a cripple and had your dream crushed you'd also sacrifice your band of mates to become a fucking god.
Guts summarizes the whole thing well during the Black Swordsman arc.
Griffith would be nothing if it weren't for Guts, everything he's done up to creating his kingdom was all to spite Guts because he decided to do what he wanted. Griffith can't handle not having Guts and Casca under his thumb, and he broke down because of it.
>>142517078
Guts would be no one without Griffith. Same with every one from the old Band of the Hawk.
>>142516994
IIRC, he didn't have his sword on him, so he couldn't really fight back.
>>142516834
>That's not what the Idea of Evil is, the name is actually a red herring. Its only purpose is to give people what they desire the most.
>Its only purpose is to give people what they desire the most.
Yes. And we've seen how that goes.
>>142517078
>Griffith would be nothing if it weren't for Guts
Griffith was already a successful mercenary leader with a reputation for invincibility before Guts joined. It would be more accurate to say that Griffith would have married the princess and become king of not for Guts.
>>142517113
Guts is fine with being a nobody though. He only left because of Griffiths ridiculous speech he gave to the princess and also killing a kid because Griffith ordered him to kill a man.
>>142516834
It is a god, born from nothing but despair and negative emotions.
It will not give mankind what it desires the most, it will give the residents of hell what they desire the most.
It is stated that everyone who died and ended up in hell were people who died an unfair death, people who died for no reason. People like this does not wish for a happy ending for the rest of the world, they die in spite of the rest of mankind.
They seek revenge upon the unfair world that murdered them, that revenge is the age of darkness.
Daily reminder to ignore Hawk and/or tell her to fuck off back to /r9k/.
>>142517351
I'm not gonna stay long, anyway. Just reading some of these ignorant comments on Berserk ruins my mood.
>>142517288
No. One of the most important parts of Berserk is the Conviction Arc. It's sadly overlooked or misunderstood by so many people.
Griffiths plan is gonna fail.
I mean, God knows how the kingdoms finances are going, do you know how much food has to be created just to keep the Apostles full? The kingdom is gonna end up in a depression sooner or later.
>>142517410
And where in the conviction arc is it stated that the Idea of Evil is a kind god?
>>142517435
Nowhere, but it's stated that those evil humans deep inside still want something that will give them hope and destroy the darkness.
>so many blind white sheep in this thread
Age of Darkness soon!
>>142509932
They think its very cool and Japanese to deny war crimes
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>>142517565
By who?
Post the fucking page man.
Here you see god himself state that he is born from the swells of negative emotions.
>>142514875
Think it could've been avoided if Guts gave Griffith a bro-hug and said "Hey bro, I got my own dream to find so that you can call me your friend"?
>>142517431
The apostles can eat magical creatures.
>depression
It's a city with eternal Summer and all the plants are growing faster and bigger than anywhere else in the world.
>>142517745
But Griffith would get even angrier. Guts is his boy you, nothing more!
>>142517755
The city is run by the same guy who had to whore himself out because he couldn't maintain the finances for his mercenary group. Face it, Griffith is awful at handling money.
>>142517708
If the Idea Of Evil is the ego, does that mean Guts is the id?
>>142517708
By the egg apostle. Later on Griffith/Femto basically confirms it during his encounter with Ganishka.
>Because the one who shoulder the light, dwells within the deepest shadows
>And it's exactly in darkness itself that the true light can be found
The DH translation is similar.
anyone who implies that Our great lord griffith is evil is a liar and a heretic.
They are also the people who imply that Griffith raped Casca. There's no way that I would do such a thing!
>Griffith is the white hawk
>beautiful and a savior to the people
>gets turned into a big black man
>first thing he does is cuck his white friend by raping his grill
>is literally the servant of evil
what did miura mean by this?
>>142518149
He didn't turn into a black man. The purple skin he wears as Femto is more like a costume.
>>142518181
The creepy thing is is that it's still his body. The whole "suit" is organic.
>>142518254
>>142518181
The purple suit is his apostle form.
>>142518254
But he's still a very white man underneath it.
>>142518254
In the recent chapters it looks like it's made of muscles without skin. I think that was the idea since the start, but Miura wasn't such a good artist at first.
>>142518301
And his true body. His current body is more of a vessel, a human suit if you will.
>>142511497
I'm pretty sure it's the former, just good direction from the anime really.
>>142518254
Not a creepy as wearing someone/thing else's skin.
>>142517975
From what I gather reading that scene, all I see is how Femto has a calming and divine presence to those of demonkind, existances who live in the darkness. They are humans who have lost the light and has to be searching for it some way or another, through fulfilling their own desires of combat, slaughter, sexual desires or manipulation.
The apostles all seek what they want, what makes them feel good, but that is mostly heinous acts because they have sacrificed all good within their hearts so darkness could take the place of light.
Then Femto comes along, with his divine presence, having all that they have lost, warmth, light, humanity. He shines brightly as a torch thrown into the darkness, but only shines brightly for the blind white sheep, and the sinfull black.
Everyone else sees him for the hawk of darkness, that he is.
How can there be any redemption in merging the worlds, because I swear to god we are entering Attack on Titan territory here. Unleashing hell upon mankind, hurdling them into a single city with nothing but death lurking outside the walls.
If Griffiths way to "save" mankind was to erradicate all but a few and have them face a common enemy, Miura might aswell just rename it to Shingeki no Kyojin.
>>142518449
>to those of demonkind
And humans. Mule started crying when he heard Griffith's voice.
>>142518322
Slan is white as well. Plus, when Femto popped out, there was no head in the "helmet" it formed seconds later. Femto's whole anatomy is odd.
>>142518449
Attack on the Spicy Swordsman would sound better.
>>142518495
> but only shines brightly for the blind white sheep, and the sinfull black.
Who do you think i mean with the blind white sheep?
>>142518449
>Everyone else
"Everyone else" is probably less than 1% of humans.
>>142518449
>He shines brightly as a torch thrown into the darkness
Yes, the Egg apostle even compared Luca/Griffith to a torch illuminating the darkness.
>If Griffiths way to "save" mankind was to erradicate all but a few and have them face a common enemy, Miura might aswell just rename it to Shingeki no Kyojin.
Except Berserk was first.
>>142514337
>saving the entire planet with Falconia.
You do know that Griffith is literally the Antichrist right? If you think that Falconia isn't just another Femto scheme to get Griffith more power then you are fucking retarded.
>>142518559
>Slan is white as well.
Nobody called Slan a black person, though.
>Plus, when Femto popped out, there was no head in the "helmet" it formed seconds later.
You mean this? I always thought it was just the angle.
>>142518823
The eye hasn't opened on the helm either.
>>142514882
Griffith we all know it's you. Don't even pretend it's not.
>>142518823
The eye hasn't opened either. Plus we would see parts of his face at that angle.
>>142518811
Griffith is the most powerful being in Berserk. He doesn't need more power.
>>142516834
>That's not what the Idea of Evil is, the name is actually a red herring
It's still literally called evil though.
>>142509755
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TdpqV7RPnTE
Are you ready?
>>142518954
>Griffith is the most powerful being in Berserk.
No he isn't.
>>142519080
He is even described like that in the manga.
>>142509800
Is raping your friends girlfriend and making him watch for the greater good?
>>142518823
>>142518929
I think it's supposed to resemble a baby bird hatching from an egg.
>>142519177
That's what I thought as well, but it seems like his face doesn't form in it until a few seconds after. That's what I assume at least.
>>142519023
Does that emulate well?
>>142519314
It emulates well until you try changing the resolution. Game is pretty shitty, though.
>>142519367
>game is pretty shitty
Leave shit taste to tripfags
>>142519314
2 words my friend
unlimited enemies
also the animations are god-tier
cazzo
>>142519113
What as the strongest of the godhand?
>>142519464
The only enjoyable thing was the Zodd fight. Everything else was just running around slaughtering endless hordes of snowmen and zombies.
>>142519464
how does it stack up with the dreamcast game? never played either but im considering getting a DC just for that (never played one so there would be a few other things to buy at least)
>>142519595
Void, probably.
Watch it actually be Conrad.
>>142519642
apparently you didnt play it very much, I will stop responding now, tripfags are idiots
>>142519706
they are different games apparently though I never played the DC one
also DC has no protection so it can play burned and pirated disks out of the box, one of the reasons it died. So you dont have to buy any games
>>142519706
The Dreamcast game is better.
>>142519808
I keep thinking it's Ubik, I'd definitely be more wary of him compared to the others.
>>142519595
I think their power is equal. They aren't just some apostles, we don't even know the limits of their powers.
>>142519831
I finished the first two levels. It was enough for me. I don't want to spend countless hours playing mediocre games.
I guess some of the cutscenes were nice as well.
>>142519808
>>142519888
The shut up
you are not in any position to judge games you haven't beaten
>>142519857
He never lies, he just...stretches the truth.
>>142519958
Yes, I am. It's not like the gameplay is suddenly going to completely change. Even if it got a little better it would still be boring.
>>142519977
>stretches the truth
Not really.
The DC game is an original story that feels like it's written by Miura. And Hirasawa's music is great as always.
The PS2 game is just a poor adaptation of volumes 22-27 with a shitty new apostle.
>>142520035
Yeah, but does speak in such a way that anyone would feel depressed after hearing their life story from him.
>>142519998
You're boring. I've never met a more humorless tripfag.
>>142519921
What does this face convey.
>>142520354
Well, I'll give that to you, I'm generally humorless. Never had a sense of humor or liked comedy or anything like that. I much prefer serious discussions. That's what's fun for me. Nothing wrong with that.
>>142520476
It's not fun for us, and that's terrible.
>>142520476
You're bringing down the whole thread, man. Try to have some fun at least.
>>142520476
>hawk blogging about herself AGAIN
Who would have fucking guessed.
You just cant fucking stay on topic can you?
You have to fucking tell people about your pathetic self. Shut the fuck up and leave.
>>142520453
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gLN3QoN-q8
>>142520822
Did you remember to report, anon?
>>142520476
I've got some weird feeling of nostalgia seeing you here again stubbornly defending you point until it devolves into blogging.
Although I've gotta admit the game is weirdly glorified by many Berserk fans. It's average at best.
>>142520476
That's because you're fucking autistic.
>>142522535
of course.
>>142522734
Report the stupid tripfag
>>142522786
Report and hide nigga, report and hide.
How big is Griffith's dick?
>>142522734
How could someone love Griffith for years on end without even once questioning his own stupidity?
>>142523050
Well, if Miura says the Dragonslayer is a metaphor for Guts' own dick, then I can only presume Griffith's is smaller. At least Casca was never properly whored out.
>>142519113
Isn't he described as the most powerful being in the physical world? There might be beings in the Astral world who could challenge him
>>142519023
Is the singer for that the same as the guy who did Forces?
>>142523274
The only quote that comes to mind is "the unrivaled" which pretty much means he is the strongest.
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>>142517975
Look at what I found, here it says that mankinds desires is fantasia, which is the merging of the two worlds, the abyssal and the mortal. Not a very nice desire, is it.
1/2
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>>142524019
2/2
>>142517188
>Griffith would have married the princess and become king of not for Guts.
The Godhand and Skull Knight literally said it didn't matter what he did. Griffith would have sacrificed and done all the shit he did as Femto anyways because fate bullshit.
Guts just had the bad luck of being the reason Griffith gets to that point.
Even if he didn't meet Guts then someone like Casca or even fucking Corkus could have led to Griffith giving in to what the other Apostles wanted.
>>142524019
>>142524249
Shit. This brings up feelings for me. Because of the crushing reality at large and how the desire for something more has evolved over time. When man realized the mundanity of Earth and the fraudulence of Heaven and looked to the stars. Dreams of aliens, whether benevolent or in opposition to us, whether corporeal or ethereal. The hope of more. The hope of something grander to shepherd us or to experience things beyond our limitations. And, without even getting out there, the crushing reality washes over us. We are likely alone. Standing on an eroding island in an endless, silent sea.
>>142525568
>Standing on an eroding island in an endless, silent sea.
Shiiiiiiet
2deep4me
Well most likely not alone, but we will never get into contact with anyone as it would take billoons of years to even send a fucking radio message, let alone travel there at lightspeeds.
Unless we learn how to fucking teleport through black holes or some shit.
>>142526422
A thing that frustrates me is the people that take on the stance that human extinction wouldn't be a big deal and suppose that something would come after us that could reach our level.
The fact is, humanity is a winning lottery ticket. In the vastness of the universe, the odds of an evolutionary process coming up with something as perfectly versatile as us is extraordinarily low.
I just want the human race to succeed. We'll have to make our own sexy aliens if we want sexy aliens. So we need to get out there and do things. Preferably fast-ish so I can die knowing my race will endure.
>>142523376
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIoILN_KrhU
Yes it was a Susumu Hirasawa. Berserk without him is not a Berserk.
>>142526571With my race, I hope you mean white and asians only.
With the rest, we will never prosper.
>>142526572
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhEiFJElSmY
Amen, brother
Quick /a/, Slan shows up in your room and wants to fuck you, but Conrad and Ubik need to be involved. What do you do?
>>142527471
She doesn't need to offer to fuck me to get me to help with the matchmaking. Conrad and Ubik would make a cute couple.
>>142511000
I wonder if they will actually make anything of Guts' parentage.
I think it's a bit of an overplayed trope, so I hope they just make his father some chump, rather than something like Zodd or something
>>142528462
It'll turn out that he and Griffith share the same father.
>>142510357
Here ya go.
http://www.instocktrades.com/search/powersearch?title=berserk
>>142511000
>>142511163
Stop. No he is not. The main theme of this manga is basically that he's just a human fighting against impossible odds.
>>142511123
He literally cannot use the behelit since he's branded, as stated by Slan.
>>142511497
That's just his sheath. He has to keep a sword that size on his back somehow and still be able to move around freely and draw it easily. I doubt it was on purpose, but if it really was made specifically to counter Griffith's antichrist image, I guess it fits.
>>142528462
They definitelly shouldn't ever bring it up. Don't you guys see the point of this manga? Guts is literally nobody - some random child picked up by some random camp whore. Nobody knows who his parents were, and it doesn't matter. He is "nobody" and he is stacked against the supernatural, including gods themselves, yet he still prevails. Making some kind of retarded "I'm actually a demon" twist would defeat his entire purpose.
>>142529997
This, making him part demon would makeexcuse the analogyGuts the same as naruto
>>142529997
Hell you can make the argument that Guts should've never been alive in the first place.
He was fated to die before he was even born, and survived that.
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>>142531553
Guts is closer to death than anyone else, which is why he excels in escaping it.
>>142514882
This is what griffithfags actually believe.
>>142517638
Underated post
>>142531839
>Born from a corpse
>Foster mom dies at 3
>Abusive father figure puts him in combat situations at age 6
>Kills his first man, gets raped and murders said rapist, and accidentally kills abusive father figure, gets shot and falls off a cliff, then fights off at wolf pack at the age of 9
>spends the next three years as a slave, then mercenary
>Age 13-16 is pretty good all things considered
>Eclipse happens at 17
>Insomniac, bitter, and fighting hell monsters while alienating himself from humanity for the next two years
Hes how old now? 20-21? And he's rapidly approaching his late 30s looks wise.
Talk about a hard life.
>>142532893
Guts deserves a permanent vacation, a pile of puppies and a big mug of hot soup.
>>142533020
It's the contrast between Guts and Griffith is another reason why I enjoy Berserk.
Both came from the bottom of society, but Guts has had to struggle against everything to survive and has to give up what little he has to do. Whereas Griffith has had everything practically handed to him by fate. Guts is sacrificing himself to achieve his goals, whereas Griffith sacrificed everyone on the altar of his dream.
>>142533314
Yeah.
It's kinda like some Charles Dickens shit in a way. Don't know how to put my finger on it, but both of their situations have that kind of vibe to me.i thought great expectations was a good book whatever fight me
>>142531839
>taking the skull head's senile ramblings seriously
He's just a good fighter, that's all.
>>142510357
I bought the whole series and some dupes to resell later on. I also overpaid for most of them because they were sold out at the time but it wa re-released shortly after I bought the most expensive volume used and not in perfect shape. I bought it again new to spite myself
>>142511046
Wasn't Dark Horse going to do reprints of the older volumes because of this?
>>142532092
That makes me laugh more than it should.
>>142533314
Griffith struggled his fair share to get to the point he was at when Guts left. His dream is practically impossible in that society where birth = qualifications, and the only thing he had going for him was his looks. He strategised everything he did in order to win over the right people. And he did suffer when he lost soldiers because he isn't an unfeeling sociopath. His struggle was more of a mental one than what Guts had to go through. I think just as he was fated to have the behelit and become Femto, he was also fated to fight to become a great ruler of men and therefore prove he is worthy to be a Godhand.
>>142509755
>evil
Griffith did nothing "wrong."
>>142536393
The Idea of Evil helped create the context for Griffith to climb to the top, on top of making him the product of a generations long breeding program.
Hey do i miss anything if I see the movie trilogy instead of reading the part of the manga that comprehends the golden age?
>>142515011
>>142518910
You fools need to accept that I did nothing wrong. I did not betray my dream.
>>142525301
Griffith wouldn't have raped Casca.
>>142537316
yes
>>142537316
Yes. You miss a lot.
>>142537316
You miss a lot. Just read the manga, watch the anime for pretty stills and god-tier ostand pretty good dub.
Watch the movies for the parts that aren't in CGI. And the Eclipse is actually a treat to watch in the third movie.
>>142538451
But the dub in the movies is better than the original, it's a Dragon Ball Kai dub evolution.
>>142514882
>(not raping,we all know Casca loved it. Just look at her face)
Sure Griffith, by that logic all the mindbreak hentai like Kuroinu for naming one and triggering many /a/nons at the same time counts as also loving it
>>142537316
The only important stuff you'll miss is some of the character development for the Band of the Hawk, which is a shame and really should have been included, but it's not a HUGE detail because most of the Band dies anyway, lmao
other than that I genuinely think the movies are better paced than the manga's version of the Golden Age, which is too bloated at times. Characters like Wyald and the Queen of Midland are shit and cutting them served the story better.
>>142538451
Am I the only one who thinks the still frames are worse than the CGI? At the very least with the CGI we get fast paced flowing action and proper scale
>>142538814
Are talking about still frames in regards to the movies or tv series?
I'm not defending them from animation point of view, but they are pretty to look at.
>>142538875
I honestly find the first anime grating to watch because the action is comprised almost entirely of still frames to the point you might as well just read the manga.
at least Miura can actually draw, the first anime looks pretty bad imo
>>142538965
Yeah it's really weird when people say the tv series had good animation. It's most likely a sign they don't watch a lot of anime, or just animation in general.
On an unrelated note, is the dreamcast game canon? The one set {presumably) between the Tower of Conviction and Enoch village arcs?
>>142510321
>Amassing everyone in the country into one giant city
>Giant inescapable walls surround it
It's a giant sacrificial circle
Which of the godhand will Guts kill first?
>>142539917
Conrad seems like he'll be the first to go. He does have master control over mater, so it won't be easy.
>>142539917
Probably Conrad, maybe Ublik. then Slan, then Femto.
I would be surprised if Skull Knight isn't the one who offs Void.
>>142540356
Void and SK are gonna take each other out. They started this together, they'll end it together.
>>142539917
I don't think Guts really cares about any of the Godhand aside from Griffith. Don't really see any reason why he'd specifically go after any of them unless he had to in order to get to Griffith.
>>142540379
What happens if Skull Knight's Behelit Sword slashes one of Void's portals. Would it be like dividing by zero?
>>142540405
Slan has too much of interest to ignore Guts.
>>142540405
Slan wants Guts, and the other 3 have shown interest in him as well.
So wait, even if Guts actually manages to kill Griffith in his physical form, won't he simply just revert back to being Femto in the astral world and nothing much changes? He's just occupied a corporeal form that's not even technically his own body, so not sure how killing that body would end him.
>>142540458
I don't think Conrad or Void really cared about Guts beyond passing mentions.
Ublik has shown some amusement with Gut's struggles, though it's nowhere on the level of Slan's interest.
Hell, Slan has more interest in Guts than Griffith has since he became Femto.
>>142509755
When I'm not just shitposting, I feel for Griffith. Follow your dreams, you go girl.
>>142540511
Femto likes talking shit to Guts, to an almost ridiculous degree seeing how serene Griffith is after the rebirth. Which kind of confirms that Griffiths current emotionless state is somewhat of an act.
>>142540511
Griffith just pretends not to care. The whole scene in the very beginning where Griffith insists Guts is beneath his notice, it's like he's acting like a jilted lover or something trying to bait reactions out of him.
>>142540600
>"You are beneath my notice, worm!"
>Proceeds to only focus on him while the rest of the Godhand focus on the Count.
>>142540507
But with the worlds merged, wouldn't that account for something?
I honestly think Berserk won't end on a good note, and it might not end with Guts getting to kill Griffith. I mean what can he even do? What's going to happen when Griffith dies, the Idea of Evil if we're counting that it exists will just probably create a replacement God Hand member, Guts is still fighting for his life forever. It's not like he'll be able to hack and slash the Idea.
>>142540554
I felt for him up until he sacrificed the Band. It was actually really heartrending to see Griffith throw it all away, especially with camaraderie between him and Guts throughout Golden Age.
>>142540567
The feeling I get from Griffith is someone meeting an acquaintance you drifted away from.
One analogy I can think of is Nietzsche's comparisons of how sheep view wolves, and how wolves view sheep.
>>142540600
Was he able to see Guts from the cliff when the latter was leaving Vritannis? That's the impression I got, one of "so that's what you're up to"
This smile should've been protected
>>142540675
It all depends if the Idea of Evil as depicted in 83 is still canon. Even though later chapters state there is something that lies in the Abyss that empowers the God Hand, it might not be the same Idea of Evil as we know it.
>>142540716
The sad thing is, while Griffith and Guts were sharing a carriage, and Guts was talking with him, you could see Griffith smile a little. He was happy, even if it were for only a minute.
I just wanted to be king >:P
>>142540716
I actually see where he's coming from, why Griffith sacrificed the band. I mean, obviously the God Hand manipulate you into coming at your absolute worst moment. They're not just going to show up right after Doldrey and say "Eh dude, kill everyone and join us, m'kay?" as that would most likely result in them saying they're fine. But if you take everything away, you bait them into thinking only they matter. Hence why Ubik got involved and showed Griffith that past. It's definitely taking advantage of someone, and I wonder if now that we're past that, if it means that Griffith has had time to regret it all.
>>142540716
I still feel sympathy for him, or I guess more like pathos or tragedy even when he sacrifices the Hawks. It's really the moment where he finally just throws away his own humanity, which is kind of the ultimate tragedy of all the apostles and the behelits and what they always seem to lead to - that realization that all of the monsters used to be human.
It's hard to really like him at that point, especially with what he does to caska, but it's still possible to just see him as a tragic character.
>>142540843
He went to the Sword Graveyard to see if he felt anything, and admits that he felt nothing. He still only has feelings for Guts and Casca in some weird way.
>>142540763
Right. But even if it isn't canon, it still seems like it's really impossible to have a somewhat happy ending, as it just seems like absolute impossible odds.
>>142540873
I just can't sympathize with him until he shows regret, until he shows sadness about what he did. So far, it seems like it won't happen.
>>142540763
I think it is still canon, Miura apparently just said he cut it because he felt like it revealed too much too early, and he's hinted that something exists deep within the astral world at later points in the story.
>>142540782
It was all those moments. The water fight is still one of the bromantic moments I've seen. Or how Griffith and Guts stood side by side against Zodd. It just makes it all the more tragic. That last moment of brotherhood between Guts and Griffith after they kill off the political rivals is where it's hardest for me to keep reading past when I reread it annually.
>>142540843
I don't think Griffith would've sacrificed them if Ubrik didn't use sophistry to convince a broken man who thinks he's lost it all that there's no difference between people dying under your command, and setting them up to be murdered.
>>142540946
I'm pretty sure Miura also said that he also removed it since it would set things in stone too much. So putting it in a semi-canon state might give him more room to change aspects of it.
>>142540912
I just want to know what the Age of Darkness will be. Void's whole spiel over the wicked triumphing over the righteous, and all that voodoo still gives me chills.
>>142540763
>>142540946
Technically couldn't it be canon because it is shown at the end of 82 with Griffith calling him god? Despite the fact that the following chapter was left out, does that also account for that last panel of the previous chapter?
>>142541063
I'm saying the concept of it is still canon, but the details of it's motivations and character might not be.
>>142540934
I kind of think he will, because that seems like his only possible weakness. He continues, even as Femto, to really suppress his feelings of doubt and regret and his feelings towards Guts. That's always been Griffith's weakness, as Caska pointed out to Guts a couple of times. It's that weakness that basically ruined him the first time around, and it'll probably be his undoing again I'd think.
>>142539917
I doubt he will kill any of them except Griffith/Femto.
You guys still think about Berserk in a very shounen-like way.
All the important apostles (the ones that were important for the God Hand to change the world) didn't die in a battle. The God Hand are too powerful and too important to kill them like random bosses, like Rosine or the Count.
>>142541142
>I doubt he will kill any of them except Griffith/Femto.
I still maintain even that isn't a given. Consider when Guts met Griffith immediately after his rebirth. Do you honestly think Ricket had the strength to hold back Guts? He easily could have knocked him aside like it was nothing and gone crazy at Griffith right then and there, but he didn't, he was consumed by his emotions. Even when he swung at Griffith, it was like he wanted a fight like before, not to go batshit murder crazy.
It could be possible that he doesn't have thegutsto actually do the deed, which is why the Beast taunts him so much.
>>142541394
Guts himself admitted that his feelings for rebirthed Griffith are mixed. Every time he sees him, he's reminded of the good ol' days, but he also knows that its not the same Griffith.
>>142541022
>I don't think Griffith would've sacrificed them if Ubrik didn't use sophistry to convince a broken man who thinks he's lost it all that there's no difference between people dying under your command, and setting them up to be murdered.
I think it might generally be overestimated how much of a role all of that really played in Griffith's final choice. Of course it was certainly a necessary part of it, but I think Guts was really the catalyst.
I really think in that moment, when he actually made the decision, it was more for revenge on Guts than it was for any logical considerations about what his best prospects were or any of Ubik's manipulations. When Guts appears right at the pivotal moment, that just clearly pushed Griffith over the edge, and firmed his resolve, knowing that - in his mind at least - everything was Gut's fault. To be sure he even rapes Caska and forces Guts to watch. I think he was clearly out to get his revenge on guts, and that urge to fuck Guts over probably was the deciding emotional factor in the decision.
So what are the Berserk nation's real-life counterparts?
Midland = Germany or Austria
Chuder = France
Ilith = Denmark or Britain
Vritannis is in supposed to be Venice I think.
And Kushan is basically the Umayyad Caliphate wearing Hindu clothing.
>>142541454
I don't know I kind of got the feeling that Griffith just has that effect on people. Literally everyone at the tower of conviction was just stunned in speechless awe when Griffith appeared, and most of them didn't even know who he was. I think Guts just couldn't help but be enthralled because that's what Griffith does to people, even Guts was baffled by it and didn't understand what happened to his rage in that moment.
>>142541644
He does look more angelic than human now, which makes him creepy to me. Like, there is a noticeable difference between him during the Golden Age Arc and his rebirth form.
>>142541747
That could just be because Miura's art style and character design changed. You could be right that he's meant to look less human, but kind of hard to tell.
>>142541477
>I think he was clearly out to get his revenge on guts, and that urge to fuck Guts over probably was the deciding emotional factor in the decision.
Definitely. It was definitely a very "in the moment" type of thing. It also could be why Griffith doesn't really seem to be doing all that much with his Femto form. For an all powerful demon, he doesn't really seem interested on using that side of himself that much.
Has there ever been some estimate on how far we are in the Berserk story? Is it possible to take an educated guess?
>>142542013
I believe we're around 75% in.
>>142541865
Griffith didn't provoke reactions as extreme pre-rebirth as he does now. There comments of "he's like a legend from a painting" but now it just seems magnified. But man he looks so pretty now that he alone can stand as an example of how Miura is a good artist.
>>142541868
I think Griffith is more interested in living out his dream like it's a perfectly written play with him as the hero.
Be the handsome knight who leads a underdog army in liberating their home, rescues the princess from a demon king. It's all supposed to be Griffith's perfect story.
>>142542013
I think Miura said that we're about 80% of the way through. So, I think I can see things wrapping up at maybe at volume 50 something?
>>142541477
>rapes Caska and forces Guts to watch
Is there any way to know if Griffith foresaw the need to create the demon baby so that he could be reborn in the world at a later point, or was that just pure chance that it worked out that way?
I don't want to try and undermine the idea that Griffith was trying to get his revenge on Guts, because I think that's definitely true. Although I wonder if there wasn't some strategy or planning going on there as well, or if Griffith's desire for revenge was, unbeknownst to him, simply a part of destiny or fate being weaved by the IoE.
>>142514777
>implying we want you here
>>142542103
>I think Miura said that we're about 80% of the way through.
Has he said that recently? Last I recall he said about 60% around the time of the falconia arc. Just seems kind of crazy that he could wrap the whole thing up in less than 15 more volumes, there are just so many plot lines still to tie up.
>>142542086
>>142542103
Okay, that's not too bad. Thank you. So I would imagine that would mean after Fantasia will most likely be the final arc.
>>142542124
I think it was a coincidence from the point of view of Griffith, but I think Void had something to do with it being fate, or at least knew of it, so that when Griffith joined them, he could be the one to carry out their plan. So depending on what is and isn't controlled, that was probably destined to happen.
>>142541747
>>142541865
His eyes aren't human. Yeah I would agree he's more angelic too in that his features have less shading which makes them seem cleaner or maybe glowing.
