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Vegeta lost his edge over the years. In fact he got hella boring. Prince of Jobbers now.
This is how I'd fix him:
>After Namek he leaves
>As the strongest guy left takes over Freiza's organization
>Rebuilds an empire
>Vows to take down Kakarot
>Becomes the villain a few arcs later
>dies at the end
Bam. No marriage to Bulma (which made zero sense). No being Goku's side kick and basically being a boring nice guy.
>>142458344
You must be 18 years old to post on this site.
Anyone got a high quality image of Vegeta sucking the dummy?
>>142458959
>>142459267
nice
Tha marriage to Bulma was Toriyama's bullshit to get more Saiyans. Even Lunch would have more chemestry with him.
>>142458344
>shades on head
>short hair
>earrings
>necklace
>lipstick
No wonder Bulma bagged literal royalty, bitch knows how to make men rock hard
>>142459602
Reminder that Launch is still the best girl
>>142458344
Edgy teen pls leave.
>>142459663
Who?
How bad are Pafu's subs for Super? I'm getting sick of having to wait through Dragon Team's delays.
It's because he lost his tail.
>>142460097
>Edgy
Not edgy. But he was born a heartless villain. I'd rather see him die one than to continue as a pansy.
>>142460281
Fuckin' Yagirobe. I forget you even existed.
>>142459570
It actually makes sense. I would have preferred Goku and Bulma, but it make sense for him to go after Bulma. After all, Bulma is the closest to royalty in planet Earth. She is the most rich and influential person in the planet. And now Vegeta is married to that person. He literally owns the world now.
Vegeta is going to ruin this love story, you know it
>Yamcha is finally back to being cooler than Vegeta
What a time to be alive
>>142458344
>o marriage to Bulma (which made zero sense).
He believed Goku's power came from anime bullshit about love for his friends and family.
>>142458344
Even he knows it.
https://youtu.be/NEWSo1CMOs0?t=1m32s
>>142459663
Trying this hard to be special/10
>>142461521
>That atrocious soundtrack
>>142461521
>>142461594
Americans™
>>142461594
More like god tier soundtrack.
Far better than the garbage the original had.
>>142461831
The Ocean soundtrack was superior.
>>142461831
>▶
debatable
>that violent as fuck sounding power up
why is vegeta's VA so much better than goku's?
>>142459267
Why did this happen?
>>142458344
>implying he doesn't get killed by a random laser from a loyal Frieza soldier
Grats, you just offscreened Vegeta. He's even worse than a jobber now.
>>142462192
his body is fading away after being stolen. the evil jelly stole his powers, so to prevent him from dying the old man told him to chew on it.
I think Vegeta should have stayed dead on Namek after giving that speech to Goku about avenging his people. Everything about his character arc seemed to lead up to that point.
>>142462064
Reinhard.
>>142462253
I disagree. The conflict between him and goku during the majin saga was a beautiful thing to witness. my only beef is how goku hid ssj3 from him, which was a dick move.
vegeta's problem is that he suffers from being on the same show as goku. japanese audience need to stop having such a boner for him, and be cool with other characters being the #1 guy for once.
>>142458344
I don't know about all that, butVegeta is undefeated against Goku.
>>142462251
Okay. Well, shit happens I guess.
I like to think Vegito didn't break down because of weird Buu magic but because the universe literally could not handle the existence of a combination Goku who always wins and Vegeta who always loses.
>>142458344
It would be the end of Dragon Ball.
No Trunks = everybody dead, even Goku.
Vegeta would die of old age.
>>142459267
Now this is what I call Baby-Vegeta
>>142459267
I remember when Baby Vegeta became a thing and I was cracking jokes with my friends about this sort of thing.
I'm not even sure if I find it funny now that it's real.
>>142462650
For what it's worth, he had no idea what a pacifier was until Videl showed him Pan's afterwards, and then said that if he'd known what it was then he would've rather died then use it.
You would've thought he would've known, what with Trunks having had one and all, but I guess he was sort of 'absentee father' at that stage.
>>142461179
>love story
isn't she like a 45 year old woman stuck in a childs body?
>>142463885
Love knows no bounds.
>>142462713
>Goku always wins
>Vegeta always loses
So simple, even a squid girl gets it.
>>142464159
Vegeta won the first match but he didn't xpect Goku to be able to hurt him that much. He dealt him a lot of damage using Kaioken x2, then he humilliated him deflecting his ultimate attack (Garlik Gun) with a similar attack, and then he almost killed him with the spirit bomb. But the worst wasn't that, the moment he could kill him he spared his life.
The second match wasn't even fair. Vegeta was SO inferior to Goku he needed Babidi's power up. Even Vegeta knew it wasn't a fair move and he got even more pissed when he knew Goku was "toying" with him not using SSj3.
>>142463885
>isn't she like a 45 year old woman stuck in a childs body?
isn't this what all women want?
>>142464538You think those three still fuck even in that state?
>>142459267
Is this series not going to stop trying to humiliate Vegeta? first the dancing and now this
also they really need to stop shining the spotlight on just goku and vegeta... have fucking picolo power up danm it
>>142464632
>still
WHA?!
Shu is a dog, and that says it all
Pilaf is pure evil, he wouldn't make love with anybody
>>142464803
Are you saying evil people can't love? How cruel of you to say that.
>>142464885
>>142464706
3 wins at the tournament, clearly had Frieza beat, and was the only non-god to get a meaningful hit on Beerus during BoG.
With the best fighting record in Super, he's going to have to be on the wrong end of some gags.
>>142464469
>he won but
Okay. He won.
>similar attack
Similar, but clearly inferior. At 24K, his beam could only hold off Vegeta's 18K technique.
>x2
Goku with a power disadvantage is going to do serious harm to Vegeta? Not in his wildest dreams, friend.
>he almost killed him
Krillin?
>he spared his life
Ah, yes. Krillin. Though, it was Gohan's monkey ass that was the final straw in taking the fight out of him. Yajirobe had the biggest part in all this. That Spirit Bomb wasn't terribly impressive. Granted, it had lost most of its force (by way of Vegeta stuffing it).
Nice of baldy to humor Goku's insane request. Shitty of Goku to not honor his word. He wanted a rematch (so he could prove he could take on his better) only to hide from it until forced to by his 'rival'. Goku even promised he would win. Terrible friend, not keeping his promises like that. Not even for his 'best' friend.
>wasn't even fair
Another day, another KO victory on Goku by Vegeta. Life ain't fair.
>needed
Just wanted, rather.
>even Vegeta
Vegeta says a lot of silly things. The guy was never satisfied with any of his clear wins. He is even the sort to take the blame for things he didn't do (like murdering Tien, Yamcha, etc. when that was done by others). Doesn't make it true.
>SSj3
>j
You what? I trust you realize you're speaking English, sport. What game are you playing at? There's no "j" in Saiyan. Let's not pretend you're referring to "Saiya-jin" here. We already know they are 'people'.
I'm just surprised you didn't cry about Vegeta using Oozaru to stomp Goku dry in their first fight (completely unnecessary move that ultimately brought Vegeta down).
>>142460245
They're adequate. Watch them and read Herms's summary and you'll get what's going on enough.
>>142465009
>clearly had Frieza beat
Pft, yeah, after Goku exhausted Frieza. And then he still fucked it up and let Earth be destroyed, setting up the worst fucking ending of any movie ever and forcing Goku to take over.
>>142464706
Actually he made some food for hungry hungry Beerus in Super I don't know if that is better or worse though.
And Piccolo as cero reasons to become stronger no. His initial motivation was avenge his death father/former self, then it was not get killed by the saiyans, then it was to see his home planet but he mellowed after that and now that Gohan is a happily married man there are two "gods" protecting the earth he can just be a happy over protective grampa.
>>142463801
That makes sense. Okay it's pretty funny. Except for the Trunks part but that's what he gets.
>>142464469
Their first match against each other was also the Z-warriors vs Vegeta so I wouldn't call it unfair that Vegeta gets the help of Babidi.
>>142465091
Nigga what the fuck kind of reply is this?
>>142465642
The kind with corrections. Clearly there was some misunderstanding. Nothing that reading the manga wouldn't fix, but I thought I could lend the boy a hand. And you? Anything about Vegeta being undefeated against Goku leaving you mystified?
>>142465091
You are forgetting Vegeta's pride. He Got a KO on Goku when he powered down and was searching for senzu beans so they both could fight Buu, not even Vegeta count that as a "win".
Also you only think about "victory". Vegeta doesn't. Vegeta wants to be superior to Goku and his pride is damaged every single time after he beat Goku on earth.
Namek
>Vegeta couldn't even hurt Recoome
>Goku oneshotted him
>Goku beat Burter + Jeice
>Vegeta couldn't do shit against 2nd Form Freezer
>Vegeta couldn't do shit against final form Freezer
>Goku comes, deflects Freezer's beams with one hand, becomes SSJ, beats Freezer.
Androids
>Vegeta archieves SSJ
>Got rekt by an android
>le "lol train" in the time chamber
>Goku gets more powerfull in 8 months than Vegeta in 2 years of time chamber training.
Buu
>Vegeta archieves SSj2
>Fuck you, Goku's SSj2 is even stronger
>Gets power up from Babidi
>Still can't beat him
>"Fuck you I was hidding SSj3"
Vegeta's pride was hurt more than his own body by Goku. Every saga Goku manages to get stronger than him.
>>142465773
Goku defeated people who killed Vegeta so no. It's not like there is a balance between elements in play, just power, smarts and speed.
>>142465091
He really should have just gotten out of the way.
>>142466154
He barely could move at that point.
Also the anime did a really bad job at showing the speed of some scenes. Ki blast are supposed to be almost instant in the manga but in the anime they are so slow it feels retarded when one character gets hit by one.
>>142460549
Yo you're the edgiest faggot alive.
>>142465776
>feelings
Feelings do not change reality. Objectively, Vegeta won. To put it in a way you can understand though, "even Goku admits it".
>Vegeta doesn't
Of what relevance is this to the statement of fact made, boy? Vegeta is undefeated against Goku. Is this now somehow contradicted? Come now. We've been over this.
>earth
Proper noun.
>various
That's a whole lot of Goku never beating Vegeta in a fight. Hell, Vegeta's the better father, husband and friend. According to AT, he's the better leader (among other things). It goes without saying he is smarter (most are *even concerning just fights*). AT even agreed (putting Pickle Man at the top in this regard).
>still using "jin"
Gross.
>stronger
This too is well covered territory. Vegeta spends most of the series more powerful than Goku. From birth all the way to Namek, Goku never overtook him (in base). It took that long even with godly training, SKW giving him an unnatural boost (the x10 Oozaru as a passive *meaning Goku is really just 1/10th as strong as we know him beyond that point*), many great teachers (giving him techniques for his lack of ability in making them for himself), etc. KK was necessary.
Another zenkai later and Vegeta was beyond Goku's base again (just a saga later and KK disappeared). Granted, Goku squeezed one more in for the lead (after getting so many on his way there for small gains at a time, he finally made one really count).
Back on Earth? Vegeta surpassed him again. Until Goku finished in RoSaT, he was weaker. After his time horsing around in Other World, Goku did manage to raise his base beyond Vegeta's (despite greater efforts put into training). One mediocre power raise latter (nothing compared to SKW) and he closed that gap (for another win).
If one wishes to get into Super, one must accept that Vegeta's anger brought out power far greater than Goku's best pre-god. Vegeta even managed to attain said deity power without hand-holding.
>>142458344
>Vegeta is taller.
This still looks dumb to me.
>>142465946
>Goku beat people who defeated Vegeta
And Vegeta beats Goku.Rock, Paper, Scissors.The guy must be the natural enemy of Goku-types. Something Ginyu found out the hard way (may as well be 3-0, with that considered). Speaking of 3-0, when is Super going to give us the pleasure?
>>142466154
As >>142466396 said, that wasn't an option. He only had enough power left in him to take out the ape state (which didn't revert in time). Gohan gets the win here. Too bad his father couldn't make use of the x10 boost like his son did. SKW was wasted on the weakling.
>>142463950
Then why do people ended up in jail because of love?
>>142458344
>empire
Frieza was a space realtor, he sold all those fucking planets and conquered.
>>142466680
Let's see Vegeta's opinion...
Vegeta should have impregnated Chi chi while Goku was dead.
>>142467046
>subjectivity trumps objectivity
Goku even dreams of beating Vegeta, he best wake up and apologize. If he wants to get KO'd again, by all means.
>>142467310
Are you really using a Saiyan saga page to discuss about a "manga is ending" page?
>>142458344
how did he get away with everything he did? he gets the main girl of db, always beats up the mc, has the most kills, his son saves multiple timelines and he is just a jerk. toriyama couldnt kill this guy off?
>>142467439
>are you using an objective display
>against a subjective one
Yeah. Is that a problem?
I wish Vegeta acted like this in Super but with less jobbing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCbJThv8H8I
>>142467679
>less jobbing
Just pit him against Goku. Surefire way to score another win.
Why can't Future Trunks live in peace? nigga always gotta be in some post apocalyptic world crying and shit with depression FUCK
What the fuck is this thread anymore?
>>142462713
>Goku
>always wins
Goku has one of the worst track records for a main protagonist I've ever seen. Goku's a loser. It's just that since he surrounds himself with even bigger losers, it just makes him look better.
>>142463885
To be fair the Pilaf gang never really was very mature.
>>142463311
Fuck off, Carlos.
>>142468253
>even bigger losers
one of which he always manages to lose to apaprently
>>142467562
Goku could have destroyed him if he choose to go to SSJ3.
>>142468497
>could have
Even allowing for this, that isn't how it happened, so it doesn't matter (making for 2-0). However, SS3 is brutally inefficient with how Goku was using it (something he just wasn't picking up on *unlike FPSS*). First using it with a dead body in the land of the living (draining away his given allotment of life energy) in a rush. Later, with a living one in Other World (draining himself to base in a hurry and getting stuck there).
It's total shit. Wouldn't surprise me if Goku managed to throw the fight even then (dicking around too much while being ignorant of how the form worked and pulling it out late just to get sent back to Other World in a hurry).
In the end, 2-0 was always meant to be.3-0, when?
>>142460245
Pafu is only slightly worse than DragonTeam, they do very competent translation.
>>142468729
>Vegeta using magic Power up vs Goku by himself
>Even as fuck
>Buu revives
>"Vegeta, Buu resurrected"
>"Ok, let's kill him, you won't be focused on our combat if we don't"
>"Ok here have a Senz-"
>Vegeta KO's Goku off guard so he can solve the problem HE caused
>Somehow this is considered a "Win"
Not even Vegeta considered he won that combat. Actually, he was angry at Goku for not beating his shit with SSj3. In his mind he was defeated twice. 1 because he needed magic to gain power, 2 because Goku was not even serious fighting him.
More importantly what about Yajirobe?
>doesn't train
>eats like a saiyan
>lazy as shit
>still as strong as any dragon ball character for most of it
What if Yajirobe was a Saiyan all along that hit his head and ended up becoming a lazy cunt?
Assuming he's just human if he actually trained properly he'd easily be the strongest human considering his base level.
>Universe almost destroyed by fighting Beerus as SSJG
>Nothing happens when fighting purple drank vegeta.
>>142469167
That was because of Goku not being able to control those ki waves when they clashed. Once he learned it's a problem no more.
Remember Beerus and Champa also fought time ago and the universe was not destroyed.
![[Pafu Subs] Dragon Ball Super 046 [1280x720 x264 AAC].mkv_snapshot_18.21_[2016.06.05_14.52.38].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/xfuv8uy.jpg "[Pafu Subs] Dragon Ball Super 046 [1280x720 x264 AAC].mkv_snapshot_18.21_[2016.06.05_14.52.38].jpg")
Bravo Toriyama.
>>142469123
>using magic power-up
It's okay when Goku does it though? Goku has enjoyed SKW since well before Z. That's a x10 boost. Passive Oozaru (which your ilk whine about when Vegeta unnecessarily used it as overkill). This while Goku enjoyed a dead body to work with in a life supply handed to him. His existence at this juncture is magical.
>Vegeta KO's Goku for being a retard
Seems like fate for Goku to be left eating dirt against Vegeta. He should be happy his dead body didn't get all its bones broken like what happened to his living one before. Or that Vegeta didn't kill him in that state (removing him from existence).
>he caused
>absolving Goku of guilt
Is this really the route you want to take? You seem to have lost focus while you were struggling with accepting the canon of the series. Vegeta is undefeated against Goku. AT willed it, so it was. So it ever shall be, it seems.
>considered a win
This isn't a new approach either, old friend. You'll just remove fight two from the record in your mind, leaving the first (which Vegeta wins as you yourself have already admitted). That would make it 1-0. This means the original statement stands uncontested. Glad we're in agreement. Good chat, sport.
>still droning on about feelings
The only feeling Goku need concern himself with is that throbbing from the major concussion that put his lights out in their latest bout. At least you accept the reality of Vegeta always beating Goku in their fights.
wow monako saves the day for everyone again great writing toriyama you hack fraud
Can someone explain to me how Bulma and Chichi are not dead. You'd assume with how strong Goku and Vegeta are that they'd break the girls they fuck.
>vegetafags still mad
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzwPMFve_oQ
>>142470906
>you're always there, laughing at my face, why wont you leave me alone?? HNGR GHRRNGH HARR GRUHGH
>>142470906
>>142471029
There is no need to be upset. Can't win them all. Unless you're Vegeta against Goku. Then you can.
>>142471090
Vegeta is literally the unsecure manlet that gets bullied by tall, talented and loved Gokuchad.
It's fun that you post Yamcha because he might be the only important character that Vegeta ever beat when Bulma pityfucked him
>>142471090
Was this the last fight Yamcha ever won?
>>142471200
>unsecure
Not a word.
>Goku is tall
He's a manlet too.
>bullied
Getting KO'd isn't bullying.
>fun
You don't seem to enjoy accepting the truth (that Vegeta is undefeated against Goku). Why is this?
>Vegeta beat up Yamcha
That was a Saibamen. Vegeta never dirtied his hands on such trash. You going to attribute the murders of Nappa to Vegeta as well?
>>142471549
savage
Jesus Christ, did Toriyama really have Vegeta chew on a fucking pacifier?
This is a new low.
>>142459267
>He must not know what it is
>Oh look, he actually didn't know what it was
Fucking love you, Toriyama.
Who else hype for Trunks?
This artist draws a bunch of cute stuff.
https://twitter.com/tkgsize/media
>>142464469
Let me save you some time. There's a very dedicated shitposter who thinks Vegeta has one every match. If you bring up what actually happened or the character's own admission of defeat, he'll just say "No, I define the rules for who wins and loses" and then he'll talk like a gay version of Sean Connery to try and bait you. Do not respond to him. Ever.
>>142472125
>save some time
Giving up?
>don't respond
Sounds like it. Yet still, here you are. You never learn. Just like Goku. Hope that dirt taste is to your liking.
>thinks
Knows, rather.
>has one
>one
Good God.
>what actually happened
Picture related.
>admissions
Such things matter not when considering cold facts, champ. But then, you know this.
>try
Do or do not, old friend.
>>142459267
kek
Literally the best shit yet. I wasn't sure whether he was just that desperate to go on living to fight goku himself or if he was just not aware of what he is doing
If almost dying makes them stronger when don't they just spam die all day and eat senzu beans/have denday heal them? Seems like it's much less effective to actually train.
>>142472378
Priceless when they were back at Earth and Goku told him that was baby stuff.
>>142472293
>considering cold facts
Like that Vegeta has a massive inferiority complex about always behind Goku in terms of fighting prowess? But hey, don't let that stop you from looking for people who write "ssj" to pretend you have a point by forcing your localizations, or from pretending that Vegeta didn't have his life spared by Goku on Earth after losing (hint: If Krillin listened to Goku and didn't kill Vegeta, then Vegeta was spared by Goku) or even that fighting Goku while Goku was holding back counts as a win because he knocked Goku out after the fight was over.
Remember, only you decide who won, not the actual characters in the series!
Now go ahead and write that big long post that quotes two words at a time and makes as big of an eye sore as possible. I know you're just itching to post more "facts" and "clever" comments. Here's a smug squid girl, since I know you like screencapping yourself posting squid girls.
why does future trunks have blue hair? how does his hair turn from purple to blue?
>>142472673
>I was just typing the same question but you were the future-me
>>142472673
Well, he has his mother's hair.
It's just that Toriyama kept forgetting if that was blue or pink.
>>142472673
Maybe...he...colored it?
>mfw he turns ssj and his hair keeps being blue
I cant wait for Frieza's next resurrection so that he can kill Vegeta for the third time in a row.
>>142472961
Yeah but you'd think that he has bigger issues than to dye his hair
>>142473111
Maybe Bulma died and that's his way to honour her?
>>142473218
Bulma was still around in the preview.
>>142472597
Fake Ika. See: >>142464159
She's with the truth. I "ink" you better take your own advice and give up, squirt.
>forcing
You're speaking English. If you want to use Japanese shit, speak Moon, fool.
>spared by
See: >>142472293
Can you believe the nerve of Goku? Hiding from the rematch he asked for (and promised to win *only to lose anyway*). What an asshole.
>doesn't count
Not how the world works, lad: >>142465091
One's own failures to give their all (unlikely as it was to succeed anyway) is no fault of the one who takes advantage of the loser. The winner wins. Just how it is.
>knocked Goku out
Wouldn't be the first time. Likely won't be the last. 3-0, when?
>screencap myself
Ridiculous. I would never post Ika as such. I just made use of the image and renamed it to suit myself (honoring a random ally who amused me). You were there arguing against the two of us with this same drivel, then.
>big long
You forgot the comma.
>>142473265
Yeah, and after that we saw Trunks running and crying.
>>142466710
Vegeta is a manlet
>>142473319
most of the cast consists of them
>>142473370
Goku's average height though.
>>142467310
>subjectivity trumps objectivity
>trumps
>trump
BUILD THAT FUCKING WALL
>>142473545
Fuck off to /pol/ and stop shitting up /a/ with your stupidity.
>>142473288
>Fake Ika
I sea the post you linked, but you've got some nerve thinking you posted the real squid. (Bonus points if you're smart enough to know why nerves are associated with squid).
>If you want to use Japanese shit, speak Moon, fool.
日本語でもいいけど、俺にとって。しかしお前はできないと思うよ。
>See: >>142472293
Doesn't disporve what I said. Whoever gives the orders is responsible, therefore Goku spared Vegeta's life. This is no refutable.
>Not how the world works
This is odd. When Vegeta makes up his own rules about war, they count (despite him and Goku wanting to test their strength, and not fight a war, a fact you always fail to grasp) but when Vegeta admits defeat and inferiority it's suddenly subjective and doesn't count? I smell double standards.
>Wouldn't be the first time. Likely won't be the last. 3-0, when?
3-0 for Goku, you mean? Oh he's humiliated Vegeta much more than 3 times.
>Ridiculous. I would never post Ika as such.
I don't believe you.
>You were there arguing against the two of us with this same drivel, then
Assuming only one other person takes issue with the nonsense you spew? That's an unhealthy level of delusion.
>You forgot the comma.
You've butchered syntax and outright lied about powerlevel-related facts from the show, but let's not be petty when we still understand what the other poster means, ok? Ah wait, as a fan of Vegeta being petty is all you can do.
>>142473396
>average is 5'7
spoken like a manlet
>>142473873
He's 5'9 I believe
>>142473288
>>142473868
Oh dear, I made a typo here
>This is no refutable.
Try not to ruin too many pairs of shorts when you quote it.
>>142461831
Kek
>>142473803
>angry wetback in a DBS thread
It's like pottery
LITERALLY HOW IS THIS STILL GOING.
Your parents could have met at an early DBZ convention, conceived you, and you'd be old enough to drink in the US today.
>>142474151
That's sort of it's value-add
>>142461455
>yfw black goku is actuallyfuture yamcha
>>142464632
>>142464885
Mai is a pure virgin as are Shu and Pilaf. It's actually cannon.
Might not stay that way though now that she has Trunks.
>>142473803
Trump is going to Make Anime Great Again
>>142474151
I've been invested in this series for over 20 years. I can't explain how happy I am with it right now.
>>142463950
who is that in his arms?
>>142462064
Isn't Goku voiced by a woman in Japanese?
>>142474151
>parents
>implying girls watch DBZ
>>142473868
>that parenthetical sentence
Terrible.
>actually using runes
Delightful. Just be sure to keep your weeb bullshit contained within them.
>disporve
What?
>no refutable
English isn't your strong suit, I see. This aside, Vegeta had already defeated Goku, friend. Didn't you notice? Goku even says as much >>142472293. Vegeta broke all of his bones. Reduced him to a heap sloppily laid upon the dirt.
Goku needed the others to save him. Good thing Yajirobe, Gohan and Krillin were around. Hell, Pickle Man even contributed by taking out the Moon. Removing Vegeta's tail without him having to sacrifice power wouldn't have ended any better for this lot than a case where he didn't misunderstand in the first place (there was no need to transform as Goku was spent).
>admits
Goku admits he lost to Vegeta. Not that it matters what either think. You just seem to fancy pretending you believe emotions change the score. The objective trumps the subjective. True facts prevail. Vegeta is undefeated against Goku. And that's AT approved canon.
>and...and
Poor form.
>don't believe
Yes, yes. I'm quite sure you would choose to believe whatever bests comforts you. Now and again the sensible will rally to reason. I merely speak truth, while you blather on in an attempt to convince yourself your dog didn't get kicked. Should it really be so surprising that there are those who can be fans of Goku, but admit he always loses to Vegeta? They've read the manga. Good faith extended, you ought to re-read it yourself. How many years have you been indulging in delusions such as this?
>only one
Hardly. However, there tend to be giveaways. Why pretend otherwise? I've been truthful with you (like when I noted Vegeta is undefeated against Goku *simple statement of canon with no opinion or spin to speak of*). Yet this is how you repay my kindness? Shameful.
>lied about PL facts
Do tell.
>ok
"OK" or "Okay'.
>>142474046
You didn't finish your sentence with this first line.
>>142474607
Yep, grandma Goku.
I saw a panel with her and the American Goku voice actor at a con where people asked them questions and stuff and they were great together.
>>142458344
Why are edgy 12 year olds here?
>>142474626
>Sweaty, muscle-bound shirtless men beating each other up and shouting a lot
Oh anon how innocent you are.
>>142474703
Probably explains why Vegeta's powerups sound that bit more manly
>>142473545
Vegeta is the wall Goku can never overcome. AT wills it.
>>142473803
>Fuck off
>>142474607
>Grandma Goku
Bleh.
>>142474626
Yes girls do watch it, you loser
Especially the ones that used to hang out with boys when they were young and gained an alpha attitude, just right for a beta bitch ass like me.
>>142474662
Can you stop redacting your posts like a retard?
>>142474662
>Vegeta broke all of his bones.
I don't really have time to quote all of your nonsense this time, so I'll be quick on a few points. Goku broke Vegeta's pride. Bone's heal, pride doesn't.
>Do tell
You mistakingly claimed that Galick Gun was a powerlevel 18,000 attack. "Finisher" type moves like that have always raised their powerlevel when used. Try not to forgot the particulars of the series you're talking about.
You never refuted the fact that Goku gave the order to spare Vegeta, all you did was try to distract from it.
>Vegeta is undefeated against Goku. And that's AT approved canon.
Find me a single instance of a character acknowledging that Vegeta defeated Goku during the Buu arc. Remember, your opinion is irrelevant, so actually cite something in the story that calls it a defeat.
Enjoy your continued delusion.
>>142474928
>redacting
Not the best time to use this term even when using it to refer to 'framing' instead of 'censoring' or 'obscuring'.
>>142475134
>still going
Just can't take your own advice. Know when you're beaten (like Goku did).
>always raise power
We don't have information on how much the beams alter these two at this moment. Vegeta's best at this point was 18K. Goku is 8K until he used KKx3 for (at least) 24K. Did his knock-off of Roshi's legacy reduce his power or something? Vegeta's beam is superior despite being at a power disadvantage. This isn't so difficult to understand as you make it out to be.
>never refuted Goku
Did I need to?: >>142472293
Goku is broken. He admits total defeat (completely outclassed). As a favor, Krillin humors this foolish request (on the condition Goku promises to win *Goku avoids the fight until made to engage him only to be KO'd again*).
You're the one that cares what these characters think and say more than what happens. Goku's word isn't good enough for you? Some fan you are.
>find me more subjective things
You're still making this mistake? What happens is what counts with respect to the truth I'd noted (Vegeta being undefeated against Goku). Not how the participants or anyone else feels. What is this womanly obsession you have with emotion anyway?Vegeta wins again.
>>142475625
okay we get it vegeta beat goku can we get back to the original topic now? what about vegeta getting with bulma didnt make sense?
>>142475625
>Vegeta's best at this point was 18K.
No, that was his base. At that point in the series he didn't know how to conceal his powerlevel, so his reading would have always been 18k. I'm going to stop responding now, as there's no point in arguing with someone who clearly doesn't remember the series.
>find me more subjective things
I asked for an objective statement of fact from one of the characters in the series. Can't find it? Didn't think so. He only "wins" by your metrics, which unfortunately do not dictate the course of the story.
>>142474721
Why would girls like that?
>>142476056
They don't, that's a male power fantasy.
They actually like thin, slender, athletic men.
>>142475883
>that was his base
You won't find much support while taking this stance, friend. I'm not interested in moving away from the original point of discussion. If you've accepted that Vegeta is undefeated against Goku, feel free to say as much. Goku wasn't afraid to say he 'gives up'.
>going to stop
Not the first time. Won't be the last. Just like that surrender monkey (Goku).
>statement of fact from others
What need is there for this when we see the outcomes of the fights for ourselves? The take of others on them isn't needed at all.
>my metric is objectivity
Is that so awful? Just calling it like it is. What a crime.
>dictate the story
AT does. For whatever reason, he keeps having Goku job to Vegeta. It's weird, but I don't write the stuff. I just read it. While you're on break, feel free to re-read the source material (even if I already provided the necessary pages previously). Should help you improve your understanding of events if nothing else.
>>142458344
>implying Vegeta doesn't secretly enjoy being a jobber
So are we just going to get recolors now? I want something cool like the SSJ3 again because at the time it was OP as fuck but the price was just too high so that even Goku was unable to keep it up for long. It's more interesting that way
>>142476197
>AT does
He's the guy that ended the manga with Vegeta admitting that Goku was better and that he could never beat Goku, right? Right. That happened. Don't ever forget it, no matter how much it hurts your pride.
>>142459602
PICCOYO
I swear just give piccolo a boost already what the fuck. Goku is bullying his strength and he doesn't even get mad over it anymore. It's not right.
>>142476269
If only Goku would give him the pleasure. Alas, Vegeta always wins against him.
>>142476325
>admitting
There you go again. See, just repeating it won't change the reality. AT had Vegeta defeat Goku both times. You don't have the like how it happened, but that's how it is. Noting how others in the series react to it won't change what is, was and forever shall be.
NOTE: If you have a hard time grasping this, consider the Pickle. We see him concede his turn to Vegeta. Everyone in the series could agree that Piccolo actually did not do this. That he defeated his opponent. Vegeta, Goku, Picollo, etc. Everyone could agree that happened, but if we are shown otherwise, that's how it actually went down. Vegeta KO'd Goku in both of their fights. He broke him in the first one. There just isn't any getting around this.
>>142476480
>Pickle
So sad.
>>142476169
>They don't, that's a male power fantasy.
You clearly don't have a sister.
>>142476682
English isn't your first language, is it? I asked a simple question:
>He's the guy that ended the manga with Vegeta admitting that Goku was better and that he could never beat Goku, right?
You seem to be desperately ignoring my question, and in turn, the conclusion of the manga. AT wrote Vegeta to be inferior to Goku, and to acknowledge it. There's no question about it, Goku is better. You may pretend that Vegeta is the victor, but the author of the series disagrees, and in the end his word is the one that matters. Try to actually address what happened in the series, especially at the conclusion. Remember, your interpretation of the events is subjective, Vegeta saying "Kakkarot is better" is not.
>>142458344
Why are they so cute together?
>>142460281
unless he gets the fucking dragon balls and wishes it back
>>142476896
>AT wrote Vegeta as undefeated against Goku
True.
>better
As a fighter? Certainly that is what one would conclude as far as their match-ups go. Definitely as a father, husband, friend, leader, hero, etc. But you seem to misunderstand a few things. I'm not focusing on the idea of Vegeta being better than Goku, stronger than him and so on (or really even that Goku could never beat him). Just that he happens to be undefeated against the protagonist. A simple statement of fact. Why resist canon? Going so far as to fool yourself like this? Seems senseless.
NOTE: Poor form to not keep your word. A man's worth is measured by it, you know? Though, it isn't like this outcome is any different than the previous encounters. You can't beat the truth, friend. AT's story is on my side. Canon facts.
>>142477473
>Misquotes, denial that Vegeta admits Goku is better, and the assumption that only one person recognizes how much of an idiot you are
Wow, I just feel bad for you.
>Canon facts.
The manga ends with Vegeta admitting defeat. This is a canon fact. Don't misquote me, don't go off on a tangent, address this point directly and try to refute it. I know you can't, but you'll write a long-winded post completely ignoring it and inventing your own headcanon anyway.
>>142477629
>quote
What are you referring to, dear boy?
>idiot
Have I done something to offend you? Surely you aren't so easily wounded by having your delusions corrected. I just want you to enjoy the series for what it is. If you call yourself a fan of Goku, you can accept even his failures (as his friends and family already do).
>admissions
One can say they lost all they like, but if they are shown to have actually won, reality takes priority. Just how it is. Observe the snowball technique putting Goku to sleep, why don't you? Picture related.
>run-ons
Do be more careful.
I recall you surrendering here >>142475883. For what reason are you still prattling on? Is your word worth so little?
>>142458344
Even if Vegeta was the villain, he still can't top best villain.
>>142477473
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBuRlN17UyU
>>142458344
>buzzwords spamming
>crappy fanfic idea
OP a shit
>>142477473
>>AT wrote Vegeta as undefeated against Goku
What? The entire point of their rivalry is that Goku is always one step ahead of Vegeta. The second time they fought during the Buu saga, Goku was holding back while Vegeta was going all out. I guess both matches technically ended up inconclusive, but if Vegeta truly was undefeated against Goku he wouldn't be trying to settle the score and surpass him so desperately.
>>142478055
>Dear boy
Trying too hard/10
>>142478129
>Kai
Gross.
"I give up." - Goku
If you're going to go the same route as him, at least have the decency to bow out with some grace. Or is there something you still don't understand about Vegeta being undefeated against Goku? Maybe save it for next time. Wouldn't want you to break your own word (again).Seriously, AT. When will we get 3-0? I hope Vegeta keeps his high standards by not accepting his victory once more. Have everyone else pat him on the back, but just have Vegeta get angry about it.
>>142478315
>the entire point
A shame that this doesn't change the score, then.
>one step ahead
Not in their fight record (2-0).
>holding back
To his detriment. Tell me, was he holding back in the first fight, too? What other excuses would you like to offer up (like they matter)?
>inconclusive
You call being KO'd inconclusive?
>if he was undefeated
>he would not keep at it
That's terrible logic. As before, we plainly see Goku bested in both instances. Goku even admits it (for those that care about that sort of thing). There's no shame in losing to your better. Though, if you are to be believed, there seems like plenty of shame to be had if one who is a step behind you keeps defeating you in battle. That's awful.
>>142459267
>This triggers Vegetafags
top kek
>>142478315
>The entire point of their rivalry is that Goku is always one step ahead of Vegeta.
Not really Vegeta after healing from his fight with Recoome, early Artificial Human arc when he becomes a Super Saiyan, after spending time in the RoTaS,BoG muh Bulma and training with Whis first.
>>142476682
ESL detected
>>142458344
>Prince of Jobbers now.
He's not a jobber
>>142478746
>ESL
What on Earth are you mumbling about?
>>142478667
Vegeta spends much of the series being stronger. He's naturally more powerful. Goku needs SKW to even stay competitive. Just imagine the current Goku being dropped to 1/10th of his output. As if it wasn't hard enough for him to manage against Vegeta. Had he even made it to Saiyan Saga as such, Nappa would have killed him without a problem.
>>142478746
stop encouraging him. not using a full stop doesn't help your case either, you know?
>>142462064
Because he's the prince, besides, in English, Vegeta's VA is better than Goku too.
>>142478055
>Vegeta admitted defeat because Goku is better, per the author's word. I accept this.
Oh shit, when you just use greentext to shitpost, posting is much easier!
Anyone got any pictures of what Black Goku looks like?
>>142479684
Potara? Wut...
>>142458959
>dummy
>>142479738
Eipä ollu.
>>142479738
More likely than not, he's evil because someone evil fused with him. Evil personality plus selfish personality that puts fighting above other things equals bad news.
>>142479749
I'm going to venture a guess that in his native language they call it a dummy.
>>142479684
This was revealed years ago...
http://dbgp0.tripod.com/
From the future.
>>142458344
>no Bra
No, thanks.
>>142479684
Also, this real? https://otakukart.com/animeblog/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/Screenshot_4775.png
>>142479241
>Goku admits defeat
Good of him, but unnecessary. We can plainly see he is bested. He was already a heap of broken bones without energy (commendable of him to use the last of it for a blast to the eye). The KO was just mean-spirited, really. Vegeta wasn't going to be happy until he got the kill (even then, trash damaging him was not acceptable). Guy has high standards.
>!
Mind that excitability.
>>142480090
That's that shitty Masked Bardock from Dragon Ball Heroes and shouldn't have anything to do with this upcoming.
>>142480151
>Vegeta admits ultimate defeat
Yeah, like you said, it's all about what AT writes. This is it right here. Everything adds up to this revelation, and nothing has superseded it.
if goku had beaten vegeta in the first match would goku have spared him?
>>142480327
Of course. He even spared Freezer "Run away, do some training and fight with me again".
>calling vegeta prince of jobbers in DBS
He's basically the co-star in the show now. In DBZ he was always second fiddle to goku in terms of power and the show ended with a "You're the best kararot hurrr durrr" bullshit.
Now they're completely even and I actually think Vegeta's had more screen time.
Goku's only trump over veggie is the kaioken and he's only had that for a few episodes now.
>>142480327
If Goku kills people just because they're weaker than him, he'd have killed Vegeta a million times by now.
>>142480304
Things have changed since DBZ. Vegeta's SSJ2 was almost on par with Goku's SSJ3 at the beginning of DBS, he achieved god level without and ritual, and he basically has the same powerlevel as goku now.
There's none of this "you're more talented than me" nonsense this time. When they both have the same level of training, they both grow at the same rate.
The reason Goku trumped Veggie in the buu saga is because Vegeta had nothing but his son and a gravity room to train in. Goku on the other hand was trainiing in the afterlife with the greatest martial artists of all time, and he didn't have a body, so learning ssj3 was easier.
Vegeta was never less talented than Goku. Not to mention his win ratio in DBS is actually higher than gokus by a fair margin.
>>142458344
future trunks was the shit though
super sucks, GT sucks; everything else is not supposed to be watched. no one knows why these idiots are watching super
>>142480617
>There's none of this "you're more talented than me"
Yes there is. When Goku uses Kaioken Vegeta literally says "Damnit... He's always ahead of me!" Vegeta still knows that Goku is always a step ahead. This much has not changed.
>>142478085
kid buu best buu
>>142480304
>what AT writes
Rather, what is demonstrated to be the case. We see Vegeta win both fights. As before, you don't have to like the outcome (or how it came to be). Just accept AT's story. That's how he felt things should be. Who are you to argue with the author?
>nothing supersedes words
Except actuality. The actual events play out for us to see. It was never really up for debate. Vegeta is undefeated against Goku. This is just a statement of a true, canon fact.
NOTE: So you're just going to ignore >>142475883 and >>142472125
having happened? I suppose this isn't all that different from how you are handling Vegeta's undefeated fight record against Goku.
>same power level
Not that he needs to. Goku had a huge power advantage with KKx3 and KKx4, but achieved little more than making Vegeta believe he was strong enough to warrant Oozaru (not the case).
>more talented
Vegeta was the one making his own moves (Galick Gun being a better version of Roshi's Kamehameha). He did well for one who refused teachers and such for so long. Goku got plenty of help along the way (like the magical power-up that is SKW *Gohan gets shit for Mystic, but Goku gets a pass*).
>learning SS3
Not that it was worth much.
>win ratio
Against Goku he is undefeated.
>>142480911
>Vegeta still says/feels things
Who cares? Goku still got knocked out in both of their fights. Takes on the event are irrelevant when one is only considering what actually happened.
>one step ahead
He may have been about that far away when he got knocked out the second time, yes.
>>142481000
>Just accept AT's story.
Okay
>>142480304
>>142467046
Looks like, per the story, that Vegeta knows he's nothing more than the silver medal. Glad we cleared that up.
>>142480911
akira finally remembered that technique? haven't been watching. prefer the manga anyway
>>142481000
>trips of truth
welp
>>142481172
>Comment on Super
>Don't watch Super
Oh come on, that's almost as stupid as the Vegeta shitposter.
>>142481000
Why are you using the second fight as proof that Vegeta is undefeated? He was only able to match Goku because of Babidi's power up and even then couldn't beat him. And he knocked him out while Goku was off guard and his back turned. If that's the example your using, it just confirms that Vegeta is a pussy who can't beat a retard in a straight up fight.
>>142481310
He thinks "Vegeta failed to beat Goku even when Goku was holding back, then sucker punched him, ran away, and killed himself (while accomplishing nothing)" means "Vegeta beat Goku".
>>142481000
>Who cares? Goku still got knocked out in both of their fights.
That's only because Vegeta is too much of a pussy to challenge Goku any other time.
Also, Goku killed a more powerful Vegeta in the most recent episode, one that's actually evil.
>>142481085
>Vegeta knows
What people think, belief, 'know', etc. does not override what actually happened. Just as Vegeta did not actually murder Tien, Piccolo, etc. during his first visit (despite everyone saying he did), he did knockout his 'rival' (not much of a rival if the guy always loses to you). Even goes on to do it again in the rematch (that Goku seemed happy to duck forever).
NOTE: I wonder if Uub was just another attempt to escape the inevitable 3-0.
>>142481310
>why use the second fight
Does it matter? This too has been covered multiple times (once at least in this very thread). Removing it would only make the score 1-0. Vegeta remaining undefeated. The statement stands.
>whining about Babidi's magic
Already been addressed. Even putting aside the dead body thing, Goku was running on a x10 boost via the magic of SKW (passive Oozaru). In no way did Majin give him anything close to that. Even if it had, it wouldn't change the original statement.
Fairness and the like are not a factor. Just results (which were that Goku lost twice via knockout *unless you want to count the first fight as two losses for Goku being that he was unable to continue and then knocked out as an extra insult*).
>couldn't beat him
But he did: >>142467562
>he knocked him out
That is correct.
>is a pussy
Think what you like of him, but it doesn't change the score (2-0).
>can't beat a retard in a straight up fight
He beat Goku (a retard) in a straight up fight (their first encounter) for 1-0. Undefeated. Will that be all from you, then?
>sucker punched him
Knocking him out. At which point, about anyone could have murdered Goku (erasing him from existence). Vegeta spared Goku. Why don't you appreciate this kind gesture? Being removed from all possibility of return (oblivion) would be much worse than the death Vegeta faced at the hands of Krillin. No re-incarnation option available there.
It's like I'm really reading an internet argument from 15 years ago.
>>142474626
>>implying girls watch DBZ
Oh wow, you clearly don't know shit.
>>142481676
>does not override what actually happened
Yeah, the characters in the show (read: the voice of the author) all know that Goku is top dog, number 1, the best, etc.
>>142458344
Vegeta in Super is shit. End of the Thread.
>>142480911
>>142480911
That's vegeta's insecurity speaking. In terms of sheer skill and power they're on the same level. Goku's kaioken is a result of having the benefit of having trained with king kai and learning a broken technique. Even then it only works 10% of the time.
In terms of fighting skill and sheer power, they're still on par.
Vegeta will always be like this, because he needs to think Goku (or anyone really) is better than him to progress and continue to grow in power. It's what drives him.
>>142481543
They were evenly matched, actually it looked ilke the evil vegeta was pretty confident he was going to win, he certainly wasn't struggling much.
The main reason he lost because of Monaka.
>>142481926
>In terms of sheer skill and power they're on the same level. Goku's kaioken is a result of having the benefit of having trained with king kai and learning a broken technique.
They all learn new techniques by watching them, and invent techniques out of thin air. Vegeta could never keep up with Goku on this front. Goku also doesn't break down in fear and fail to fight his enemies like Vegeta does when they hurt his pride.
>>142481912
He's more relevant and more of an equal to Goku than he ever has been. He always used to call Goku his rival in DBZ even though Goku was always much more powerful.
Now the fight can honestly go either way, The only advantage Goku has is the kaioken x10 and there's only a 10% chance it'll work. Not to mention Goku only has that move because he lucked out and learned it from King Kai. Until he met Whis he never had anyone to train him.
Meanwhile Goku's trained under the greatest martial artists in history, all throughout time and the universe.
>>142480090
TELL ME ABOUT BARDOCK!
WHY DOES HE WEAR THE MASK!?
>>142458344
Except Vegeta sucks. He was never strong to begin with, he only has grown stronger by living in Goku's shadow. Vegeta post Namek could not even into ssj, he would never have been able to claim control over Freeza's army.
Vegeta is shit, he was always shit, and he will always be shit. Vegeta fanboys need to realize that he has never, EVER won a fight against anyone who actually mattered and he never will. Vegeta was born a jobber, he will die a jobber, and he will be revived by the Dragonballs to be a jobber once again.
>>142482102
This hasn't happened in DBS. Goku hasn't learned a new technique in ages, similarly, Vegeta hasn't ducked a fight since the namek saga.
In fact, I'd give props on vegeta for the fact that he gained god ki through actual training instead of getting it via hax.
>>142481543
>challenge Goku
Goku is the one ducking the rematch he had requested after the first defeat. Did you miss the photo I provided? Even after a second (embarrassing) defeat, Goku just runs off with a little brown boy.
>beat a Not-Vegeta
Thrilling.
>actually evil
I suppose that would be a flaw, then. Good thing the real Vegeta was apparently never truly "evil". I'm to understand you're saying he would have lost, then (as this slime is supposed to be the same as the real deal).
NOTE: I trust you understand that this still doesn't change the fight record, yes? Goku could defeat a clone of Vegeta made into a proper god and it wouldn't actually be the same as winning against the real one (where the record cited is concerned).
>>142481764
>15 years
Only that recent?
>>142481811
>voice of the author
>quips and thoughts of fictional characters
Quite the weak stand you've taken here. Why not just take a knee (again)? Goku was fine with accepting defeat. Learn from it. Don't argue against canon. You'll be better off for it. Less futile pursuits exist.
Never forget that Vegeta is undefeated against Goku. Now and forever. AT works in mysterious ways.
>>142481926
>low success rate
Spirit Bomb only working when Vegeta suggested it was cute.
>>142482013
>Goku needed help against a fake
Sad.
>>142482102
>on this front
Technique making? Goku doesn't really do this. Vegeta, however, does.
>>142482275
>Vegeta hasn't ducked a fight since the namek saga.
Vegeta almost shit his pants when he thought he might have to fight Cell, and again when Goku asked him to stall Buu.
Vegeta could have tried learning Kaioken or some other power multiplier technique (remember, they learn them by watching) but he hasn't. He also can't do the mind reading shit Goku can do that let him predict what Hit's moves were.
>I'd give props on vegeta for the fact that he gained god ki through actual training instead of getting it via hax.
Yes, training up his power control was good. That said, he's never had the knack for battle that Goku has, only power and pride.
>>142482368
>Never forget that Vegeta has never been able to defeat Goku, and it eats him up inside
I won't.
>break down
Too bad Goku was never able to best Vegeta in this way. He certainly hasn't had any luck actually fighting the guy. Losing every fight must be demoralizing. No wonder Goku fucks off with Uub. He just gave up on trying to ever beat the streak.
>>142482180
>always much more powerful
I don't know about all that jazz.
>can go either way
Indeed. However, what we know the case to be is that their current record is 2-0. Vegeta winning both fights.
>>142482264
>never strong
What does that make of Goku (who was born far weaker)?
>never won a fight against anyone that matters
Goku doesn't matter?
>>142482275
>learned a new move
Somebody needs to teach him. He isn't one to come up with his own techniques. He should ask Vegeta for some freebies. The guy makes good stuff and tosses it away. Named attacks never to be used again.
>>142482383
>got scared
That isn't the same as ducking a fight (like how Goku avoided the rematch he asked for back in Saiyan Saga).
>learn KK by watching
Sounds foolish to attempt.
>can't do mind reading
Lot of good that power did when Goku lost both times. Same to teleportation in the rematch. Such utility is wasted on Goku, it seems. In his fights with Vegeta, it is like he wants to lose. He does the job.
>no knack for battle
What does this make of Goku (who always loses to him)?
>>142482437
>I accept Vegeta's undefeated streak
As you should. It wasn't like I offered an opinion you could disagree with. All this arguing against a fact must have been very embarrassing for you.
>>142482583
>I accept Vegeta's incompetence as a fighter and inability to do anything other than train up his ki and then fail to actually beat anyone
Good.
>>142482383
> He also can't do the mind reading shit Goku can do that let him predict what Hit's moves were.
Dude that's not what Goku did.
>>142482644
>Goku is a nobody
>beating him up doesn't count
I'm unsure if I can agree to this.
>>142482702
Goku has been reading his enemies moves since the Namek saga. Like most of the supreme bullshit these guys do, they just don't bring it up every 5 minutes to remind you what they're capable of. That said, he did say he was predicting Hit's moves, which we know he does through his mind reading bullshit.
>>142482730
>Get mad that you can't beat somehow who's holding back against you
>Punch them in the back of the head when they think your tantrum is over and then run away
I can agree with this.
>>142472378
>these ears
>>142482822
>Goku has been reading his enemies moves since the Namek saga. Like most of the supreme bullshit these guys do, they just don't bring it up every 5 minutes to remind you what they're capable of. That said, he did say he was predicting Hit's moves, which we know he does through his mind reading bullshit.
No dude, Goku can't read his enemies moves and wasn't reading Hit's mind to predict his moves. Goku was just anticipating where Hit was going to hit him based on his own position and movements. He was "just guessing".
>>142482900
>No dude, Goku can't read his enemies moves
Re-read the series.
I'm so fucking confused by this thread.
>>142482952
Goku can REACT but can't predict. He doesn't have a "sharingan" or "haki". He just learns how his opponent fights.
>>142483015
No, Goku can literally read their minds. He does it when he meets, Trunks, and when he fights Hit the word he uses to describe predicting his moves actually means "predict". Not "guess" or "figure out" but "predict".
>>142482822
>he was mind-reading all along
And using KK all the time as well? That makes his base seem even more pathetic than I'd made it out to be by reminding of SKW.
>can't beat somehow who's
ESL, indeed.
>punch in the back of the head
>knocking them out
Easy win. Easy life. What is it with scrubs like you? I already explained this matter. It doesn't matter at all whether you find the means to be fair. Just the end counts when considering the statement made (Vegeta is undefeated against Goku).
>>142483153
>can read minds
But he can't beat Vegeta even with this kind of edge? Ridiculous.
http://www.strawpoll.me/10403979
>>142483005
Dragonball Super is shit, as is Vegeta. /thread
>>142483005
Ever since two days ago, the threads became confusing due to the next arc.
But right now, it's because of this faggot >>142483251 who's not replying like a normal person.
>>142483335
What do I click to vote that he looks best by not showing up at all?
>>142483251
>In a battle to determine who the stronger figher is, it doesn't matter if you're actually a stronger fighter
>All that matters is taking a cheap shot and running away
You know now that you mention it, it really is pathetic that Vegeta ran away after knocking Goku out. The guy's so petrified of Goku that he was afraid Goku might slap him around while he was unconscious. That's a really deep inferiority complex.
I won't touch upon your misinterpretation of temporary powerups vs unlocking strength, or false equivalences with regards the techniques they use, as you've already shown you don't understand powerlevels and the like.
>But he can't beat Vegeta even with this kind of edge?
The only time he would have used it against him was during their sparring match. That was the one where even with his magic evil powerup he couldn't land a decisive blow.
>>142483153
Martial arts rely in predicting what your opponent is going to do based on his movements. I swear people are getting more stupid each year.
>>142458344
So who are the Jack and Ace of Jobbers?
>>142483503
>Martial arts rely in predicting what your opponent is going to do based on his movements.
Right, and Goku canonically has the ability to read minds, which he used against Trunks.
>>142483435
>normal person
Consider your surroundings, boy-o.
>after knocking Goku out
You wanted Vegeta to stay and murder him (forever)? Why?
>I give up
You really do take after Goku. Not the best 'hero' to look up to. You an ENG dub Funi kid or something?
>only time
So Goku failed to make use of an ability and lost for it (twice). Sounds like his own fault. What a dope.
>>142483555
>against Trunks
Are you implying you he used this ability for combat? Another matter you won't find much support here on. While many dislike owning up to the truth (Vegeta is undefeated against Goku), what you've noted is a tad silly. Surely you jest.
>>142483849
>Are you implying you he used this ability for combat?
>Trunks attacks Goku
>Goku doesn't flinch because he reads Trunks' mind and knows that he won't attack
Yup, the theory holds up.
>While many dislike owning up to the truth
I know, you're the poster-boy for that.
BLACK GOKU IS ACTUALLY FUTURE GOTEN YOU READ IT FIRST HERE
>>142483555
I am willing to bet you money that Toriyama sure as fuck doesn't remember that
>>142483555
He never read Trunks's mind dude, are you crazy?
>>142484009
Nah, he's really good at pretending to forget things but not really. Just like with kaioken.
>>142484031
Read the manga.
>>142484100
>Read the manga.
I have the manga, right in my hands, he never reads Trunk's mind.
>>142484143
>Senses a lack of intent and knows that Trunks will not attack him
That happens.
>>142483429
>Vegeta
>shit
Pick one
>>142484197
Not that anon, but sensing a killing intent or not is different from actually reading minds.
>>142484281
>Knowing your opponents motives and course of action is different than reading their mind
It was an extension of what he did to Krillin.
>>142484256
I would rather pick shit than have to pick Vegeta
>>142481912
STORY TIME!
>>142484361
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