How much value do you put into visual direction?
A lot.
>>142385016
Know any blogs that does decent analysis regarding visual directing?
>>142385317
>Know any blogs
>>>/tumblr/
>>142385016
None. I'm blind.
http://animecinematography.blogspot.ca
>>142385016
Enough to be triggered by filtered photographs.
>>142385016
Visuals > Plot > Voice Acting
>>142385016
At least post Eva, Angel's Egg, GitS, Utena, something actually good.
>>142385421
>Newest post reviews a rotoscoped scene
The movie was lovely
>>142385641
None of those are actually good though.
>>142385641
Anime is garbage. It can't be good.
>filtered photograph = visual direction
just jump off a bridge
>>142385641
Feel free dumbass. Making a mosaic isn't that hard.
>>142385761
You first fampai
>>142385658
It's a good movie, pleb.
>>142385496
>>142385761
>Hey look, I posted it again.
>>142385795
I'm not the retard who decided to start a visual direction thread with kyoani, you're either new as shit, or begging to get meme'd on. I don't even think it's bad, you're just an idiot if you expected a different response.
>>142385947
Different strokes for different folks. I love Kyoani's art style as much as the symbolism in Utena and Eva.
>>142385947
>All of these implications
I'm not OP. You're just being unproductive and stupid. You could easily contribute the content you want instead of bitching that the content you want isn't here.
>>142386104
Did you even read what I posted?
>>142385947
>implying Kyoani aren't the goddesses of visual direction
![CkEG7k5UkAAQwbw[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/wryZYBB.jpg "CkEG7k5UkAAQwbw[1].jpg")
>>142386245
>>142386509
>mfw this movie is going to look incredible
>>142385016
80% because even with a lame plot full of cliches there are visuals that can strike the heart and will never be forgotten. Plus they can be what is unique and outstanding, so who needs good writing?
A lotThe res on mine is very bad, thinking of doing another version soon
depends on the show
powerpoint slides look great in monogatari but i'd hate it in any other series
>>142388242
I don't agree with this. Tamako Market had decent direction, but the plot was so forgettable and uninspired it made the entire show uninteresting and not worth watching.
>>142389182
Tamako Market is worth watching for Tamako Love Story alone.
Only two words matter "Cinematic Timing"
>>142389260
This, the movie was fantastic.
>>142385016
none
story > visuals
>>142388868
While KyoAni knew how to make pictures pretty, Anno was able to actually use the shots he used to strongly suggest something. (example: When Fuyutsuki sees baby shinji and Yui for the first time).
>>142389182
See also Exhibit B - most P.A Works offerings
>>142389344
Stop forcing your shitty webm.
I'm onto you you little shit.
>>142389344
You probably want to start reading anon.
>>142389260
>Tamako Market with an emphasis on "romance"
I think I'll pass.
>>142389407
>reddit doesn't like a .webm
>im gonna downvote you
fag
>>142389508
It's not bad, but you're posting it with every post you make regardless of context.
>>142389471
The mood is way different from Tamako Market. Also it's a fantastic romance.
>>142385016
Irrelevant when the characters and writing are shit. Like every kyoani show. Pic related.
>>142389597
Well, in that case, I might give it a shot one day.
>>142389553
>needing context to call some a fag and tell them to kill themselves on 4chan
>>142389365
There are lots of shots that I didn't include because they weren't very striking composition-wise, but in the way the characters expressions conveyed their feelings especially well.
>>142389365
There are examples of that in Kyoani shows as well.
It's nice but you shouldn't really notice it until the second viewing, the story should be the first thing to suck you in.
>>142389628
Most KyoAni shows have decent writing and good characters.
>>142389845
visuals should always be a side dish that helps make the main cour more delicious
>>142385947
Typical nigger.
>>142388868
>>142389845
I made a new one
>>142386509
My heart hurts already
>>142385947
Please don't use Watashi to shitpost like this
>>142385236
>By the time a second season of Hyouka comes out that covers the last 4 volumes and ends the story and it made by the same staff, we'll all be dead
Damn.
>>142389365
>Anno was able to actually use the shots he used to strongly suggest something
Did you actually watch both series? I don't think you did. Eva had lots of symbolism and emotion, but lots of superfluous stuff as well, whereas the visual metaphors Takemoto goes for are all concise and pulled off gracefully.
>>142392121
What program did you use?
>>142392214
I'm really curious as to how much of it they're actually going to fit into the movie.
Hopefully they avoid the shitty ending, or just rewrite it.
>>142392402
Watashi has always been used for shitposting
>>142385016
Nobody does it quite like Oshii.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dmlwhaEEgE
>>142385016
More than the industry is willing to fulfill..
>>142392766
That's what backlogs are for.
>>142385317
EveryFrameAPainting
>>142392825
God knows I've got plenty.
>>142392482
>implying the novels will end at all
![[Coalgirls]_Tamako_Love_Story_(1920x1080_Blu-ray_FLAC)_[ED2903E1].mkv_snapshot_00.48.15_[2016.06.04_00.23.47].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/n0JB7s0.jpg "[Coalgirls]_Tamako_Love_Story_(1920x1080_Blu-ray_FLAC)_[ED2903E1].mkv_snapshot_00.48.15_[2016.06.04_00.23.47].jpg")
>>142389260
This. The series is good when the bird isn't around, but that's only a handful of episodes. The movie is all of the good parts of the series, has no bird in it, almost feels like an apology for the bird, and is one of the sweetest things I've watched in a long time and since.
>>142385236
>>142385016
>>142385431
Are other studios even trying? Why am I even asking? Of course not.
>>142393066
Nice and organized. I like it. I use a NAS server with archive and backlog folders, and I periodically move things into my main HDD to watch then move them into the archives if I liked them or delete them if I don't.
>>142393070
Let me dream.
>>142393307
Chuuni was a trainwreck of wasted potential but it was a beautiful one.
>>142393372
>Let me dream.
You misunderstood me. I mean, their story will never end. This a story Yonezawa will write until he's dead.
>>142393403
Chuu2 S1 was amazing, Chuu2 S2 was good but plotless.
>>142393428
I think Chuuni S1 shits the bed halfway through by shifting the focus dramatically and not pulling off it's new focus remotely well enough to warrant the surprise.
Plus, the final episode of S1 defeated the entire purpose of everything that happened before. In the penultimate episode I thought that just maybe the point of the twist was for a pretty uncharacteristically cynical ending about growing up and moving on, but then they undo all the character development that happened in the last 6 or episodes and everything is great and nobody has learned anything.
And then S2 further retcons S1 by very selectively remembering things that happened in S1 to the point of it being a soft reboot of the series.
>>142393372
I'm not much for re-watching, kinda ruined the concept trying to share the love of Spice and Wolf with too many friends. I'm not too worried about automation since I get most of my seasonal anime from Horrible and that's convenient enough. I've been considering setting up NAS, but I'm inexperienced and haven't had the time to do my research. Maybe that'll change though as I had my graduation ceremony today.
If you're interested,I wouldn't mind sharing the link to my doc of you'd like to take a look at my formulas/how shit my tastes are
>>142393307
Ishihara seems to be the most "old school" director at Kyoani. He doesn't use as much filters.
Also the background arts for Chuu2 had a cartoony feeling to it.
>>142393420
With the phenomenal characters that they are, I really want to see them grow up, settle down, and find their paths in life. It's a story that I feel needs conclusion.
>>142393690
Season 1's drama was bad, but the rest was enjoyable. Season 2 started off good, but as soon as it was apparent they'd delve into Nishimiya's hangups again it was doomed. Good fucking God that was bad.
>>142393764
If you ever do the reading and want to buy one (as opposed to making your own) I use this bad boy right here.
http://www.amazon.com/Thecus-Dropbox-ElephantDrive-McAfee-N5550/dp/B0085RO8U8
along with WD red drives. I like it a lot. Sure, go ahead and post a formula link.Congrats on graduating.
>>142393690
What I got from Chuu2 was 'don't grow up so soon' and 'trying to hide something that might emotionally and psychologically scar a little girl for life could lead to suicidal moeblobs'. I mean it would've been fine too if Rikka had let go of her 8th grade syndrome but she's still a kid, she'll grow out of it sooner or later anyway. Just let her enjoy her make-believe games she isn't hurting anyone.
![[URW]_Chuunibyou_demo_Koi_ga_Shitai!_-_06_[720p][7D173283].mkv_snapshot_00.57_[2016.06.04_00.44.32].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/0flTe8e.jpg "[URW]_Chuunibyou_demo_Koi_ga_Shitai!_-_06_[720p][7D173283].mkv_snapshot_00.57_[2016.06.04_00.44.32].jpg")
>>142393820
Don't get me wrong, there's a lot of good stuff in S1. I like Chuuni S1 overall, but it's a fondness that comes with a lot of qualifications. That's why I get so frustrated with how badly it fumbled with trying to be more serious. They had a great foundation and great character chemistry to work with, to say nothing of the art itself, but then just kinda wasted it.
>>142393901
Thanks, I appreciate it.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1etrM3V5sEfViZo1G_WFgnX2wAzxdDXVT1AYYYvTrXgs/edit?usp=docslist_api
>>142394085
I guess that link takes you to a different page, though I'm sure you can figure it out
>>142393808
Ishihara is a big filterfag
>>142386509
>that hand
Not looking great for the sign language animation
>>142385431
>>142385236
>>142385016
>>142393307
Quality over quantity.
>>142393690
Season 1's conclusion only undos character development in the context of Ren. If Ren didn't exist one could easily interpret the ending of Chuu2 as just meaning that it isn't necessarily a good idea to give up the things you love absolutely, even if you do use them as coping devices, and that it's mostly the not dealing with your problems that's the problem, not the way you deal with not dealing the problems. I still agree that the ending of the series is fairly subpar, but the ending doesn't undo character development on it's own.
>>142393974
I wasn't saying anything you're not, and I agree completely. Some comedy SoL series with lite romance or character development like to shove in a bit of drama at the end, and it's almost always bad and kind of shits on the mood. This was no acception.
>>142394085
>A/Z 8
>Comet Lucifer 8
>GC 10
>DxD higher than Color Wars
>Yahari 9
>SnK 8
>Wixoss 9
>SAO 10
>Twincest is only a 5
>Fucking Gash Bell is only a 6
Max, you hurt me.
>>142393690
Chuuni S1 was about getting rid of Rikka's daddy issues, not her chuunibyou
>>142386509
Still no new pv. Why are they so secretive about this show?
>>142394232
The drama in Chuu2 was evident since episode 5 I don't know what you're talking about with 'shoving a bit of drama at the end'
>>142394201
This is why KyoAni a best.
>>142394309
The natural conclusion of "these characters have some issues that explain some of their eccentricities" is not "Let's have 3 episodes of crying, screaming, angst and sadness."
>>142394289
>show
>>142394379
Who are you even quoting? Did you watch the show?
>>142394234
Like I said, shit tastes.
To be very honest a lot of that had to do with the order I watched them in. Could probably do for an overhaul on my ratings.
Now that I think about it, i tried to rate Comet Lucifer as objectively as I could even though I didn't enjoy it very much. Not a good idea.
I am a sucker for emotional anime though, so I feel I can justify my GC rating even though the end was shit. Prob explains my SAO rating as well.
Show me the light.
>>142394416
>Who are you even quoting?
I'm not quoting anyone. Did you see any greentext in my post?
>Did you watch the show?
Yes. Did you?
>>142394309
Drama was never the show's main draw or main feature. It was there but I believe it was handled poorly for the most part.
>>142394473
>Could probably do for an overhaul on my ratings.
I don't rate things, I just talk about what I liked and didn't like.
>i tried to rate Comet Lucifer as objectively as I could
CG mechs, Roman was the only good character, story progression was wacky, exploding bread, Japan doesn't understand gravity, token "bittersweet" ending where the newtype turns into space dust, dancing CG vegetables, horrible fight scenes, horrible villains. Some of the designs were nice, Roman was great and Moura was cool. The world looked pretty neat as well. But where did you come up with 8?
>Show me the light.
Spend more time watching anime and reading manga than you do arguing over whose taste is objectively better on /a/ (there's no point in arguing because it's mine) and then you're doing it right. Just try not to watch stuff that Okada writes or Imaishi directs and then pretend it's awesome.
>>142394379
Easy to dismiss Rikka's struggle and anger towards her family for hiding the fact that his dad was dying, and eventually copping mechanism by pretending to be someone else, and ineptitude of her own sister and mother as guiding authoritative figures with just "lel crying screaming and angst".
Jump off a bridge, lad.
>>142385947
>you're either new as shit
Ironic considering that you don't realize that this thread gets posted almost every day.
>>142394680
God, you're excellent.
I appreciate the feedback/advice
I'll probably continue to rate shows though since my friends use it as a quick reference when they want to watch something. Might add a disclaimer though.
>>142394816
First off, work on your spelling. Second off, writing out that big mess of a sentence doesn't change the fact that the drama stemmed from "Girl has trauma and uses escapism as a coping mechanism". The series had a certain tone, mood and pacing, and the last three episodes were fucking garbage that shit all over it. Having a reason to include drama doesn't suddenly excuse any amount of it or implementation of and resolution of the drama. You sound like one of those retards who watches/reads LNshit and thinks that no matter how contrived or banal a plot device is, if the MC says "I acted this way because X happened in my past" then it's suddenly 100% justified.
is there an anime as extraordinary as this?
>>142394906
>God, you're excellent.
I know.
>I appreciate the feedback/advice
Any time.
>I'll probably continue to rate shows though since my friends use it as a quick reference when they want to watch something. Might add a disclaimer though.
Why not just let them pick up shows that look interesting to them since everyone has particular tastes and interests, and then just talk to them about it if they say "Hey I'm thinking of watching X show and noticed you'd seen it. What did you think?" It's what I do, and it works a lot better than just spitting out a number.
>>142394944
Watch the anime again, faggot. Drama was there since episode 5. Come back to me when you actually know what the fuck you're talking about.
![[Coalgirls]_Hyouka_17_(1920x1080_Blu-Ray_FLAC)_[D0A86EE5].mkv_snapshot_22.27_[2013.10.21_12.42.14].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/RxAB3IP.jpg "[Coalgirls]_Hyouka_17_(1920x1080_Blu-Ray_FLAC)_[D0A86EE5].mkv_snapshot_22.27_[2013.10.21_12.42.14].jpg")
>>142385236
>This shot
I love it so much.
Good visual direction is using visuals to convey something to the viewer, not just looking pretty.
You can't sum up an anime with meaningful visual direction in a collage of stills.
>>142395019
You realize that you just did exactly what my post accused you of doing, right? Having a reason for drama being there doesn't suddenly excuse whatever implementation they use. Are you fucking retarded? Is English not your first language and did you fail to actually understand my post?
>>142395022
I actually jumped forward in my seat the first time I saw it. For a show without action scenes, Hyouka really did a great job at getting the blood flowing.
>>142395110
And you didn't like the 'implementation' they used because you weren't paying attention, watch the anime again. I'll wait here
![[Coalgirls]_Hyouka_15_(1920x1080_Blu-Ray_FLAC)_[B009DDF5].mkv_snapshot_13.11_[2014.11.13_22.08.32].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/NcREM7H.jpg "[Coalgirls]_Hyouka_15_(1920x1080_Blu-Ray_FLAC)_[B009DDF5].mkv_snapshot_13.11_[2014.11.13_22.08.32].jpg")
>>142385236
Forgot one senpai.
>>142395158
>because you weren't paying attention
You understand that people in this thread have explained that a radical tonal shift isn't justified by simply saying "There's a reason for the drama so it's ok" right? Are you actually this stupid or are you just shitposting?
>>142395049
>You can't sum up an anime with meaningful visual direction in a collage of stills.
Actually you oftentimes can, because effective visual direction will explain itself. Things like timing and cut order are also important aspects of visual direction too though.
>>142395008
Alright, makes sense. I'm in.
Probably make my life easier anyway.
Even then, this way of going about it promotes more conversation, so win win.
>>142389662
kill yourself fag
I love this shot
>>142395334
>Even then, this way of going about it promotes more conversation, so win win.
Now you're getting it. Sharing ideas so you can look at things different ways or hear opinions about a scene you might not have understood is one of the reasons we all post here, right? If you've got friends who are willing to do that, then why would you dismiss them with just a number instead of talking to them? That's the whole point of having friends with similar hobbies.
>>142395253
>radical tonal shift isn't justified by simply saying "There's a reason for the drama so it's ok"
Why? Madoka did it.
![[Coalgirls]_Tamako_Love_Story_(1920x1080_Blu-ray_FLAC)_[ED2903E1].mkv_snapshot_00.51.58_[2015.11.08_10.01.20].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/dmYhtCK.jpg "[Coalgirls]_Tamako_Love_Story_(1920x1080_Blu-ray_FLAC)_[ED2903E1].mkv_snapshot_00.51.58_[2015.11.08_10.01.20].jpg")
>>142385016
Tamako Love Story was so great. The series had a couple really great episodes, but the movie was 10/10. This scene where Tamako is talking about how Mochizou had always been there and it shows her memory of how he was there right after he mom died, and then it does this cut to Midori followed by her own memory showing that she was there too is my favorite scene.
>>142395022
>Hyouka
It's so dense. Every single image has so much going on.
>>142395622
That's just one image.
>>142395593
>Madoka was a magical girl series that took a turn into darkness one fourth of the way through the series, so a SoL romcom could go from cute and funny to full melodrama mode three fourths of the way through without proper buildup
Do you see the problem here? And please don't say something silly like "They hinted that drama would exist, so that's all hte buildup you need."
>>142385016
none, kyoani fucking sucks
>>142395600
I love it when Tamako loses her contact lenses in the water after Mochizou confesses and when she runs away her world becomes blurred. Such a great movie.
>>142395622
This. I've never had as much to take in when watching a show. It's why when I see people call Hyouka boring I just feel bad for them instead of getting mad, because it must mean they don't have a whole lot going on upstairs.
>>142395593
Madoka really doesn't have a massive tone shift. It goes from a relatively flat tone with some clearly dark and bizarre moments to full dark. And the signs are pretty clear even if you aren't looking for them. Chuu2's tone shift mostly removes the most charming part of the show.
>>142395825
They're probably referring mostly to the characters and story, which for the most part are significantly less interesting.
Time to rewatch TLS.
>>142395925
I feel bad for ADHDfags.
>>142395925
Honestly, the only thing that can make a show boring for me is boring characters. Shows like Kekkai Sensen and Dimension W I couldn't finish one episode of, because they focused so much on making their world look so cool or whatever, but by the middle of the first episode I knew jack shit about their characters, and I just couldn't continue. But KyoAni's shows always have me caring for the characters from the start, and that's why I'm never bored with them.
tamako market felt like k-on if everything that made it appealing were removed leaving a hollow husk in its place
>>142395757
>Ep 1-4
Character introductions
>Ep 5-6
Rikka's grades and glassroom girl ranks notebook subplots, with some hints that something was wrong with Rikka.
>Ep 7-8
Drama - It is revealed that Rikka's dad died and that's why she's a chuuni. Also Rikka starts liking Yuuta
>Ep 9-10
Drama - Rikka and Yuuta becoming a couple. Yuuta wants to get rid of Rikka's 8th grade syndrome
>Ep 11
Drama - Chuuniless Rikka
>Ep 12
Drama - Rikka's complete backstory and final goodbye to her dad
Pretty much half of the show has drama.
>>142395980
I like Hyouka but don't really think it's quite as good as it's biggest proponent's think it is. It's a strong show with a number of strong features but I feel that the show's thematic core is uncompelling and that the two mains are fairly weak as characters.
![[Coalgirls]_Hyouka_08_(1920x1080_Blu-Ray_FLAC)_[52AA414F].mkv_snapshot_13.42_[2016.06.04_01.39.44].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/8wzdbfI.jpg "[Coalgirls]_Hyouka_08_(1920x1080_Blu-Ray_FLAC)_[52AA414F].mkv_snapshot_13.42_[2016.06.04_01.39.44].jpg")
While we're posting shots we liked in Hyouka.
>tense conversation between oreki and irisu
>sun starts to set
>lighting becomes extremely harsh over irisu
>oreki's side of the table is now dark
>oreki gets 10/10 wrecked and is still afraid of her 11 episodes later
It's so simple in concept, but executed so god damn well. Irisu was amazing, and might be the most compelling side character I've seen in an anime. So much is said about her without words.
The scene at the end of this same episode that's just an internet chat between her and Tomoe is also one of the best scenes in the show because of how well it's directed.
![[Coalgirls]_Hyouka_11_(1920x1080_Blu-Ray_FLAC)_[6D2517AC].mkv_snapshot_17.53_[2016.06.04_01.44.39].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/2Evw8v3.jpg "[Coalgirls]_Hyouka_11_(1920x1080_Blu-Ray_FLAC)_[6D2517AC].mkv_snapshot_17.53_[2016.06.04_01.44.39].jpg")
>>142396200
Oh woops, meant to post this.
>>142396192
How are they weak characters?
>>142396192
Hyokafags are basically /a/'s equivalent of BvS/kino fags from /tv/. While it's true that it excels visually, they jerk over it too much to overlook the fact that the actual characters do indeed lack depth and no matter how much fancy visual directing is going to compensate that. Ironically, by mocking others for being too stupid/ADHD, they themselves become too narrow-minded. Good visual composition may enhance a theme or message, but if the core is empty, it's still empty and visuals just avert your eyes from it.
![[Coalgirls]_Hyouka_12_(1280x720_Blu-Ray_FLAC)_[53E6E3C0].mkv_snapshot_14.34_[2016.05.29_22.37.03].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/h9b6STG.jpg "[Coalgirls]_Hyouka_12_(1280x720_Blu-Ray_FLAC)_[53E6E3C0].mkv_snapshot_14.34_[2016.05.29_22.37.03].jpg")
>>142396356
Explain why they lack depth, go ahead. I'm actually exited to hear an actual rebuttal instead of just the same buzzwords against Hyouka.
>>142396356
chitanda has more depth than you
Why did the cinematography threads become a gene? The hell? I haven't been on /a/ in months, decided to come back to talk about neihei, and all I see is jumps Shonen, waifu shitposting, and even my favorite thread being generals. Goddammit it, I dare you to find one thread of any substance at all.
But I digress, I'll stop venting. It just pisses me off how bad the boards gotten, and I've been here ten years.
>>142396200
People overlook the most important factor of kyoanis style too often, even though it's so obvious. It's in fuck ingredients Kyoto while other studios are in Tokyo. This means they have their own stock of key animators, rather than pulling from the Tokyo pool. Their style tends to develop in a very cinematic fashion, really emphasizing light and spacing rather than fancy camerawork and linework, like the Tokyo firms.
>>142396350
Oreki has about two integral character traits (lazy and unusually perceptive) and his development is obvious and lacking in nuance. Chitanda has one character trait (being curious) and almost no purpose besides as a catalyst for the main character's development. Neither has any significant personal conflict throughout the story besides Oreki's stuff with his personal code, which as I said earlier has an obvious conclusion. They really just aren't that interesting.
![[Coalgirls]_Hyouka_21_(1920x1080_Blu-Ray_FLAC)_[C2CBD80D].mkv_snapshot_21.30_[2016.06.04_02.03.11].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/aonm5hh.jpg "[Coalgirls]_Hyouka_21_(1920x1080_Blu-Ray_FLAC)_[C2CBD80D].mkv_snapshot_21.30_[2016.06.04_02.03.11].jpg")
>>142396356
>they jerk over it too much to overlook the fact that the actual characters do indeed lack depth
I'm going to have to strongly disagree with that. At the end of the day, Hyouka's characters are its greatest strength, and the incredible visuals and directing are what reinforce and portray them. Everybody has layers to their persona that get revealed over time.
>>142393049
>EveryFrameAPainting
Kill yourself
>>142396610
Every story that follows the hero's journey has an obvious development and conclusion, that doesn't make it weak or bad.
>>142389407
How is it shitty? I think you need to calm down.
>>142396741
That's true, but an important part of the hero's journey is the threat that failure might conceivably occur. This is usually made evident through an event, usually in act two, that tests the characters' resolve in some significant way.
This doesn't really occur in Hyouka. There's really no point in the story where it appears that Oreki is just going to quit the club and hole up conserving energy for the rest of the story.
He really doesn't even have that much of an arc. He opens up ever so slightly throughout the story and by the end he realizes that a grey life probably isn't the best thing after all. His actual actions never really change throughout the series though save for a few special occasions.
>>142396448
Funny, because I've yet to hear any compelling reasons why they aren't weak characterisations, either. Every single time, it's just oh the visuals conveys this or convey that and make it seem like what the message it conveyed is something spectacular when in actual fact, most of the issues were fairly straightforward. Because again, there's a very huge difference between what the characters themselves convey through actions and speech and how the visual direction enhances the former.
Oh and as usual, you guys will just deflect it by telling me to stick to something like Jojo that narratives every single thing because once again, ironically, you guys tend to be the ones who don't get subtlety. Hyouka is basically like the modern equivalent of old OVAs: good visuals are all it has.
>>142396903
Did you skip the entire student film arc?
>>142396903
He did want to quit in episode 4. She saw chitanda actually trying and chose to do so as well
>>142396903
Episode 11.5 kinda plays into that a bit, not to the extent of him wanting to quit the club but going back to his aloof self (even harder and much more annoying than before) after he got played like fiddle by Irisu and not seeing it coming. He reverted back pretty quickly though after everyone told him he was being an ass.
>>142395622
chitanda is the key.
>>142397001
Episode 4 is solidly is the first arc of the show. That's just the hero's first test. There's not much after that.
>>142397000
In that case he seems more pissed off and embarrassed that Irisu played him like a fool than really seriously questioning whether he should have tried at all.
>>142396983
That was a whole lot of nothing. Might as well have not posted.
>>142397122
Just like his original post
>>142396983
I'd rather wait for you to come with your argument first since that way I'll know if you even watched the series or not.
>>142397006
>>142397001
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>>142396741
>>142396683
>>142397000
Holy shit, calm the fuck down. Like, seriously. Rabid Hyouka fans are idiots, but so is everyone decrying it for whatever reason. I mean, personally, I liked it. It wasn't stellar but not half bad, the best part was probably the lighting and Dutch angles, which was strange for an anime made around bake, when EVERYONE was doing the Ozu pillow shot shit.
Still, there's some buzzard misconceptions here that make it sound like high school students taking their first comp lit class. The hero'so journey doesn't mean what you think it does. It was a pattern identified by Campbell, not a strict formula to a here to. An observation, not a doctrine. The best stories are created with the circle in mind, but not as a skeleton. Arguing that a story is good because it follows the heroes journey makes zero sense.
That said, I don't think Hyouka has particularly shallow characters, but goddammit you guys have way you to high standards for a kids cartoon. Not everything can be Ivan Ilyich, and plenty of good books and films have been made without particularly dense characterization - it's just one flavor out of many. Ikiru is a lovely film if not my all time favorite, but has just absolutely predictable character progression that's been done a trillion times before.
Stop criticizing Hyouka for lacking things it doesn't need, and stop praying it for things you barely understand, and think it has. It's a solid show, as close to flawless as most studios can reach, but takes virtually zero chances with anything it does.
>>142397322
Fuck Samsung autocorrect. Fuck the electric company.
>>142397108
He's seriously butthurt about it for a short while, but exactly HOW he fucked up has a lasting effect on him. He learns to be more conscious of the human element and it specifically comes back in episode 18, which is also one of my favorites in the entire series.
That Chitanda intuitively recognizes this change in him (because that's just the kind of thing that comes naturally to her), but struggles to find the words to describe what just happened because of her own airheaded tendencies is just the icing on the cake.
>>142397374
But said change isn't related to the thematic core of the series. And honestly, it's not really that interesting of one. Cynical high schooler gets somewhat more cynical and scared of one particular persoon. It's important but it's not like it changes his outlook on life.
>>142397322
I agree with you for the most part, but what is Hyouka supposed to be about if not it's characters?
>>142397458
Why does a show have to be "about" anything in particular? Did you miss the last 50 years of literature?
>>142397458
It's a prequel to the "Japanese Sherlock Holmes". The story beforeIbara Mayakagoes around the world, solving mysteries.
>>142397548
It doesn't have to, but Hyouka clearly is, or at least it tries to be. And besides that, even stories without specific messages tend to have some sort of essential draw at the core of them, whether that be a strong theme, engaging mood, interesting characters, or an interesting story. Oftentimes they'll have many of these features.
>>142397608
this is here >>142397548
>>142397458
>Cynical high schooler gets somewhat more cynical and scared of one particular persoon
That's the short term thing that he mostly gets over, and quickly. The interesting part was him figuring out that you can't just logic everything. That impersonal nature is a core part of his characterization at the beginning, whether he thinks of it that way or not.
That whole arc was also important because it showed that he wasn't infallible. It's a big part of what makes the character and series more believable. Everybody screws up.Except plot device Tomoe.
I mean, if you don't think that's interesting, particularly in the way it all plays out, then to each his own.
>>142397673
How does it teach him that you can't just logic everything? The reason he got the wrong ending was because he ignored evidence and went with what he felt the ending should be. If anything the lesson would be that you need to suppress your emotions and depend solely on what's in front of you rather than your own feelings on the matter.
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>>142397740
Not him but Oreki got pissed off because Irisu used him not because he didn't solve the mystery.
>>142385236
Does anybody have the Just Fuck Already Hyouka image?
>>142397884
Yep, I knew that already, but he was talking some stuff about how he "can't just logic everything" which to me suggested that he somehow learned that during the arc when it seems to me that the opposite is true.
![[Coalgirls]_Hyouka_11_(1920x1080_Blu-Ray_FLAC)_[6D2517AC].mkv_snapshot_08.43_[2016.06.04_02.52.30].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/VqjrxfQ.jpg "[Coalgirls]_Hyouka_11_(1920x1080_Blu-Ray_FLAC)_[6D2517AC].mkv_snapshot_08.43_[2016.06.04_02.52.30].jpg")
>>142397740
>Why didn't she ask Eba?
Watch the scene with Chitanda and Oreki at the beginning of 11. Chitanda lays out a whole new perspective that he hadn't even considered, and it's because he never considered it that he arrived at the initial conclusion he did.
Like >>142397884 said too, he gets mad because he was used, but the longer term and more interesting development is his figuring out that his approach isn't always the best one.
>>142385016
As long as it's not fucking unwatchable, it's fine.
Can carry a show in some cases.
>>142397963
But why is this interesting? The aloof guy gets knocked down a peg. Alright, that's to be expected. But why is that interesting? Does it say anything about his character other than that he's arrogant, which we basically already knew due to how he views life?
>>142398101
Not him. Whether you find it interesting or not is not important, the whole replay chain comes from this post specifically which stated that Oreki lacked an integral part in development a hero's journey protagonist should have, it has been rebutted >>142396903
![[Coalgirls]_Hyouka_11_(1920x1080_Blu-Ray_FLAC)_[6D2517AC].mkv_snapshot_09.07_[2016.06.04_03.02.54].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/Y7wF200.jpg "[Coalgirls]_Hyouka_11_(1920x1080_Blu-Ray_FLAC)_[6D2517AC].mkv_snapshot_09.07_[2016.06.04_03.02.54].jpg")
>>142398101
It says that he's an autistic fuck and was treating the whole thing as if it was just some crafted and artificial riddle on the back of a newspaper. Which, technically it was, as Irisu constructed the whole thing and was knew that's how he would approach it.
However, there were real people involved in this whole thing, and it's something that never even occurred to him because that's just not how he thinks. He doesn't think about people. He thinks about problems.
Again though, if you don't think that's interesting then to each his own, but I really liked that part and I especially like how it comes back fully realized in 18.
>>142398217
The problem is that this moment isn't related to Oreki's central problem, the problem that's supposed to be central to the story. This is a completely different issue that he mostly clears up within the arc and shows mastery of in the festival arc.
>>142396610
This post is so ridiculous. It's like you came to this conclusion from memes and not from watching the show.
Oreki has shown to be lazy and very perceptive, yes. But he has also shown to care about people's dignities (when he went out of his way and wasted a whole day just so he would have the correct impression of his old teacher), he secretly cares about being seen as independent but he is always being manipulated by someone (like Satoshi told him when he talked about the Tarot), he got extremely angry on two occasions: when Irisu made a fool of him by building him an ego and shattering it afterwards, and when Satoshi was ignoring the harm he was doing to Mayaka by being so selfish about his lifestyle. All these, and more, show very different sides of Oreki that simply do not fall into "lazy and unusually perceptive". I could do the same about the other characters, to show you how Chitanda isn't just curious and shit. But if you paid attention and stopped being a fucking moron you'd find out yourself.
>>142392121
What show is it?
>same thread made by the same kyoanifags where the only series they discuss is hyouka
every time
these are the most pseudo-intellectual garbage threads on /a/, which can only be described as befitting of a pseudo-intellectual garbage series like hyouka
>>142398491
Mobile Suit Gundam
>>142398423
And what is that central problem?
>>142398527
Here's your reply fampai. Use it well.
>>142398455
>But he has also shown to care about people's dignities (when he went out of his way and wasted a whole day just so he would have the correct impression of his old teacher)
This can be left up to his unusual perceptiveness, as he suspected that something odd was going on in that situation when everyone else wrote it off.
>he secretly cares about being seen as independent but he is always being manipulated by someone (like Satoshi told him when he talked about the Tarot), he got extremely angry on two occasions
I'm not sure disliking being manipulated really requires a character trait. Almost everyone tends to dislike being manipulated.
>and when Satoshi was ignoring the harm he was doing to Mayaka by being so selfish about his lifestyle
This is him defending a friend. I'll agree that it's somewhat out of character but it also comes near to the end of the series.
>>142398541
Whether or not to live a grey life.
>>142396590
The reason I'm always interested in what KyoAni is doing (even if I don't always watch their shows) is because of their style.
They obsessively treat their anime as if they are filming with real cameras from inside the anime itself. It's where a bunch of the cinematic cues and lighting come from, as the limitations that real life cameras impose on how you film something, as well as the optical side effects that you can take advantage of, naturally give what people associate with a cinematic feel.
KyoAni doesn't draw anime. They "film" it. At least in shows that they care anyway, like Hyouka, Tamako, and Hibike.
>>142398706
>KyoAni doesn't draw anime. They "film" it.
>>142398706
>KyoAni doesn't draw anime. They "film" it.
kinoanime
>>142398626
I honestly did not feel like that was the whole point of the series. In my opinion Oreki stopped living a gray life as soon as he met Chitanda. Him getting used to not just being a background character and carying and being more perceptive to human emotions was the point. I mean if the Oreki from episode 18 >>142397374 would have been in charge of solving the first two major mysteries, he probably would've solved them entirely. Remember he missed the part where Chitanda's uncle was in fact being sacrificed against his will and he couldn't speak up, and Irish using him. Developed Oreki certainly would've been able to pick that up.
>>142398897
>I honestly did not feel like that was the whole point of the series.
One of the first things Oreki does is mention his grey lifestyle and one of the last things he does is mention how his grey lifestyle might not be the best thing ever. He constantly has internal monologues about whether this action or another will conserve energy. This is clearly the thematic throughline of the story.
I'm not saying he doesn't have any development at all, he certainly learns some things, but those things he learns are mostly related to his interpersonal and problem solving skills, not so much to his outlook on life that the show mentions so much.
>>142398527
Yeah, the more I read the posts made by koyani/hyouka fags, the more it feels like they are modern anime fans who are being amazed by things that have already been done before, but they don't know it. So they take this admittedly decent thing and praise it to the heavens because they mistakenly think it's some revolutionary concept since they don't really have a huge pool of reference to go with.
Best example was when one hyouka fag claimed to be a film student and decided to throw in film theories and so on. Sure, he's not wrong as is, but again, it's like those first year psych/poli sci major acting like they are experts when really, they're just smarter by half because they took this thing that's been done before or people know about and try to present it as some ground breaking discovery.
>>142399020
My bet is that they aren't even anime fans. They just watched Hyouka/any other generic KyoAni show. The only non-KyoAni show that these pretenders ever bring up is Eva, which just confirms that they aren't actual anime fans.
>>142385016
¿In a visual medium? idk, ¿all of it? plus some good plot.
>>142399069
>>142399020
So much projection by this samefag
>>142398706
I fucking hate people like you. This is why I hate liking kyoani because of faggots like you
>>142399122
And of course, like all those year 1 students, they are quick to get offended upon every little criticisms, with their standard deflections of 'you just don't get it' rather than accept that they really aren't as knowledgeable as they think. Even your comebacks are just proving the point further.
>>142399122
Post top 10 anime
>>142399132
good for you
>>142399122
>projection
You fags aren't exactly doing anything to prove the contrary though.
>>142399189
Jackie Chan
Korey in the house
Hey Arnold
Helvetica Standard
Transformers
>>142399263
>can't even name 10 (TEN) anime that are his favorites
guess I win eh ;)
>>142398706
This.
>>142399020
>>142399069
>>142399183
calm the fuck down samefag
>>142398706
My autism has gone off the roof
>>142400569
>making a collage where half the posts are from a samefag
What's the point, and it's not like he has that many replies anyway
What that anon said isn't even that ridiculous, he just said KyoAni's shows look like they were filmed from a camera instead of drawn and painted, which, considering the amount of effort they put into making it so, is true.
>>142400711
Oh shit, the crack-kun virus is spreading.
Forcing a meme I see.
>>142400711
>that anon said
Nice try, samefag. Stop being such a coward and defend your post as yourself.
The same fagging is ridiculous.
