>I prefer anime made before 1995
>moe ruined the industry
>why don't they make good anime anymore?
Anyone else tired of these newfags ruining /a/? it's just so cancerous. Cringy as fuck.
Newfags? I dont know, I watched alot of anime, and I find the old ones more interresting. Especially since I can watch it in French, Spanish or Italien.
Japanese is a garbage language.
Anime used to have more style before digital. Frames were more dynamic and detailed because animation was harder and they had to compensate
Now we just get lazy shit art and mostly shitty animation despite digital and 3D animation making it fucking easy
>>142378126
I know right?
Thank God we can get our seasonal fix of generic battle harem #49595845 and cute girls doing cute things.
At least try to be subtle, it really helps
The people who complain that "there's no good anime made anymore" and that 90's/80's anime is generally better typically have only watched the big names of those decades and nothing else.
They don't really realize that there was 3 years between Evangelion and Cowboy Beebop and 4 years between Beebop and Ghost in the Shell. They watched these shows all at once either on toonami or elsewhere and they just get this perception that ALL anime was like this back then.
Then years later when they decide to follow shows seasonally they realize that not only are these sorts of shows things that only occasionally come out, and but because they watched them all at once they missed out on all the generic ecchi shit that aired between them.
But now we get more anime than ever. The amount of shows we get per season is the amount of shows that came out per YEAR in the 90s. So obviously yes we're going to get a lot more generic garbage but that hasn't stopped fantastic shows in the same vein as Evangelion, Bebop and GITS from coming out too.
The fact that K-On was a success isn't going to stop these types of anime from being made. As long as there are creative people we will get creative anime.
>>142378577
Preach it, brother! <3
>>142378493
>frogposting
kill.
yourself.
>>142378577
Based
>>142378577
>As long as there are creative people we will get creative anime.
But the creative people all died anon. Who is going to save us? Hosoda?
>>142378577
Yeah but there are no good shows 4 years apart now, just shit
>>142378577
>Bebop and Evangelion are fantastic shows
>>142378757
At least put some effort in, this is just embarrassing.
>>142378577
>As long as there are creative people we will get creative anime
This is what everyone should be bitching about instead. You are 100% right though.
>>142378732
>I only listen to Led Zeppelin, none of that rap shit, it's all the same garbage!
>they don't make REAL music like they used to, nowadays it's all nigger music like Kendrick and Beyonce
That's what you sound like.
>>142378716
One cherry picked image from a bitter studio director vs a literal no-name animator isn't proof that there isn't any creative people left in the industry. Especially since this interview happened fucking years ago.
You have madmen like Masao Maruyama who are willing to green light high risk shows and studios like Kyoani who seem pretty dedicated to cultivating and teasing up and coming animators to being their best. Not to mention we had a lot of promising newcomers getting the spotlight thanks to the Japanese animator expo.
Miyazaki, Satoshi Kon and Anno were all unknown at one point. Within the next few years we'll be seeing new animators making a name for themselves. Instead of wallowing in the past, we should be fondly reminiscing about it while also looking forward.
>>142378930
>teasing
Training
My browsers auto-correct can be a bitch sometimes.
>>142378930
>Within the next few years we'll be seeing new animators making a name for themselves.
Yeah, but right now everything is shit.
>>142378796
Evangelion is a 2deep4u wankfest made by a megalomaniac, and Cowboy Bebop is the epitome of fedora anime, it's even got a corgi and smooth jazz as the soundtrack.
typical nostalgiafag shit. I bet next you're gonna tell me that vaporwave is a legit genre and not a meme.
>>142378930
>Satoshi Kon could have been saving anime right now
>>142379006
Things are actually better than they once were. The mid 2000's was a very dark period for anime.
>>142379063
Come back with a real argument next time, saying a series sucks because it has "smooth jazz" is fucking asinine.and vaporwave is shit, I'm all about that electro-swing bb
>>142379259
Fuck off, nostalgiafag, you've been exposed.
>>142379171
They're better, doesn't make them good though.
>Ikuhara will never be given full creative control and a decent budget for a 2 cours anime ever again
It hurts
>>142378126
>>moe and harem ruined the industry
indeed Anon.
>>142379342
Did you even read the chart I posted? Because you are down there at the bottom. Try formulating an actual argument, then we can talk.sah-gey
>>142379347
>>142379006
>>142378380
>>142378265
>>142378222
I want reddit to LEAVE!!
>>142379171
there are shows worth watching from every year in the mid 2000s
there isn't a single show worth watching so far this year
>>142378577
The real problem is that there's so much more being made now that it seems like the good ones are spaced even further apart. Also, shitty economy means that the higher ups play it safer, I think an example of this is how short series are now. It's overwhelmingly one cour anime and usually adaptations. 12 episodes is fine for some shows but it can really strangle the potential of more ambiguous ones. On the other hand, the lower risk level of shorts might provide an opportunity for creative experimentation.
>>142379573
>crusty moefag
You know the autists that still play Pokemon at like age 26+ and say that it only gets better every generation even though everyone else knows it's only getting worse than when they were kids?
That's what you guys are like for anime.
The Girls Und Panzer movie came out, we are already in another golden age.
>>142379698
But the new pokemon games are much better than Red/Blue. You have to be a nostalgia blind retard to think that they're still the gold standard.
>>142379840
Bro, don't even try to argue with nostalgiafags.
>Not liking moe and more serious character, story driven anime
Why limit yourselves to one selection of anime? One of the things that makes anime great is that it's so diverse.
>disliking moe
why even watch anime
>>142378126
>moe ruined the industry
This is not newfag sentiment you stupid turbofaggot.
>>142379954
newfag detected
>>142378577
Congratulations anon you've created a pretty good copypasta
>>142379995
Yep, just the right amount of fallacies and dubious examples to not be too obvious and be modulated depending on the topic.
>>142379995
Using K-On as an example of bad anime was a little on the nose.
>>142379665
But it's the truth.
>>142378577
>best anime mentioned is K-on
>everything else is the edgy shit i thought was amazing when i was like 16 lel
remember newfags, if its dark and pseudo-philosophical its good
>>142380084
I didn't want to say that K-On is a bad anime. I enjoy it a lot, I just feel like a lot of people who complain "THERE'S NOTHING BUT MOESHIT NOW!" tend to think of K-On during their complaints. It's a good show, but it hasn't stopped shows like Psycho Pass, Redline or Space Dandy from coming out.
I didn't intend to make it seem like I was implying K-On was bad.regardless on your opinions if those shows are good or not, they're certainly not "moeshit".
>>142379391
Moe and harem are good to watch dumb ass
>>142380088
>The real problem is that there's so much more being made now that it seems like the good ones are spaced even further apart.
This literally makes no sense.
>Also, shitty economy means that the higher ups play it safer, I think an example of this is how short series are now.
There is no significant change in anime length.
>It's overwhelmingly one cour
It's spelled cours
>anime and usually adaptations. 12 episodes is fine for some shows
single cours adaptations has always been an industry standard.
>but it can really strangle the potential of more ambiguous ones.
>ambiguous
What are you even trying to say here?
>On the other hand,
We haven't established a first hand.
>the lower risk level of shorts might provide an opportunity for creative experimentation.
Again, this has always been the case
Not a single thing in your post highlighted any sort of change between old and new anime, mostly because there hasn't been a change. It looks different, but the industry functions exactly as it always has. The only difference is in volume of anime being produced.
>>142380199
K-On DEFINES moeshit regardless of how enjoyable it may be.
>>142378126
>I prefer anime made before 1995
Generally agree.
>moe ruined the industry
Generally agree.
>why don't they make good anime anymore?
I think Madoka is good. I also liked Galko-chan and UBW.
And you can't complain about other people's tastes when you're uploading tumblr images, dumb metaposter.
>>142380199
I feel you. It's funny how K-On has supplanted Lucky Star as the go-to moe show. Meanwhile, gar got BTFO so badly that gar has been abandoned altogether.
>>142380304
>/a/ will fall for this
>>142380304
>What are you even trying to say here?
Probably "ambitious"
>>142380193
>pseudo-philosophical
wanna know how I know that you're a fucking retarded moron?
>>142380312
K-On is an example of a SoL "cute girls" anime done extremely well.
I think shows that deserve the "moeshit" label more so are the ones that came in K-Ons wake trying to emulate its sucess while not really having the things that made K-On so fun. I honestly don't keep track of SoL anime but a perfect example of "moeshit" trying to just shamelessly do what K-On did while also not understanding what made K-On good is Pan de Peace.
Pan de Peace really is just "cute girls do cute things" and nothing else, there's no development, nothing arises to cause even the slightest bit of conflict and all the characters generally have one setting regarding the emotions they display.
People blame K-On for shows like these, while in reality they should be blaming producers and studios for trying to shamelessly rip it off for a quick buck.
>>142380193
>if its dark and pseudo-philosophical its good
>pseudo-philosophical
I'd take the piss out of you but your friends, family, teachers, doctors, therapists and loved ones would have beaten me to it years in advance.
>>142379928
I too like all sorts of anime.
>>142380193
> I can only understand the most basic of the shows theme's so I will assume it is psuedo-philosophical and dark.
>>142380369
>namefag calling others retarded
Oh the irony.
>>142378126
face it moe shit is the equivalent to COD on vidya.everyone want to be like that one successful one and they start failing at it
You seem to have used "moe" to mean cute anime or manga series, or just characters that act cute. Oops!
Don't worry, I've got your back. I suggest that you should learn what it means, by lurking more. Alternatively you could visit a a website more suited to your kind, for example r/anime.
Thanks for reading!
>>142378126
>Cringy as fuck
Cringy as fuck.
>>142380962
seeing how quickly /a/ adopted a term forced on by reddit "normie" I find a bit hypocritical to think you have some sort of highground over them somehow.
>>142379991
Nice detector retard. Did you build it yourself?
>>142380962
This pic always helps remind me how fucking ahead of its time the Rose of Versailles was. Shame the first half of the series wasn't as consistently as good or interesting as the second.
>>142379063
seems to me like you watched them expecting to hate them going in, and were able to find things you didn't like or that were flaws so you felt justified in your shit taste. i actually thought cowboy bebop was going to disappoint me after seeing all the shitposts on /a/, when i watched it about a year ago i was blown the fuck away by how fucking good it was
and when i watch even seasonal generic anime from the 80s and 90s, it still has something to it that makes it enjoyable
>>142380349
I always find it funny how inconsequential TTGL ended up being despite its success while Lucky Star helped vitalize an entire sub genre
>>142378577
but even most of the shitty anime in the 80s/90s were enjoyable
now shitty anime is just plain shit
>>142378930
>>142378716
Who's this bitter director? I always wondered. They got YKK in the background manga.
>People ITT with no notion of how economics work
I bet you're all libertarians because I've never seen an equivalent level of retardation before.
>hurr durr what is a negative externality xD
>>142378126
they aren't wrong tho.
>>142379954
Seeing as moe anime is older than the majority of this board and you chucklefucks are still acting as if it's something recent I don't know what to tell you.
>>142381170
if a creator cares enough about the economy to conform to it's demand, than that makes him a shitty creator. the best artist makes what he wants to without regard for how successful it will be.
>>142380304
I'll bite, not like I've got anything else to do.
>This literally makes no sense.
1 good in 50 vs 1 good in 100. If someone considers older anime as having more good shows, it's because less shows were being made overall so the good ones stand out more because there's less to sift through.
>It's spelled cours
Good joke.
>There is no significant change in anime length.
Older series were often 25 or 50 episodes, this has become exceedingly rare.
>What are you even trying to say here?
Typo. Meant to say ambitious.
To be clear, I don't have an opinion on which is better, I like both and if you'd said that the differences are often exaggerated then I'd agree with you, but there are differences.
>>142381358
I know right?
Because funds from projects fall from the sky like magic.
It's not like a creative project has to compete with a bunch of shittier ones that will most likely be much more lucrative because moefags will buy figurines and shit.
>Nostalgia fags in this thread
>>142381474
>anime
>mature
>>142381106
What are your generic seasonal anime from the 80's? Akage no An? Layzner? City Hunter? Dirty Pair?
Generic from the 80's are mostly shit, same for 90's. Those are exceptions.
>>142378930
>Miyazaki, Satoshi Kon and Anno
The thing that annoys me the most about Miyazaki is how he complains there's no creativity in anime, but he never did anything to prepare the next generation of animators for their golden age.
It's like a king who stubbornly holds on to his throne for so long, by the the time he dies his son is already an old man past his prime.
At least Anno does stuff to help young animators get their projects off the ground.
>>142378126
I was like that when I started watching, just let them be, they probably just watched Akira and Ghost in the Shell and they genuinely think that all old anime is like that.
>>142380569
It happens all the time. In the 70s you had a glut of mecha series trying to cash in on Mazinger and Getter.
80s was trying to cash in on the military drama's in mecha skin that Gundam popularized. But at least there was more variety because of booming economy resulting in money getting thrown left and right.
Anime will always try to cash in on the trends the frontrunner makes.
>>142381456
You seem to cnfusing quality with success, mate.
>>142378126
Both is wrong, though. The objectively greatest time for anime was 1998-2006.
>>142381902
You seem unable to spell, mate.
Moeshit sells because moefags buy. This is very clear to me, and to anyone who has any rudiments in economic theory.
>>142381113
TTGL is like GaoGaiGar in that it was a love letter to the genre the animators watched as children. As much as I hate to admit, the mecha heyday is passed, and it's just a matter of generational trends chaning.
>>142380304
>There is no significant change in anime length.
Sure, Madhouse didn't stop making 75 eps long shounen adaptations, seinen adaptations, 24 ep long original series and adult-oriented movies.
And what are the current Naruto, One Piece and Bleach in terms of length? Hunter x Hunter (2011) at best.
I agree that Naruto, One Piece and Bleach are mostly flawed production-wise, but now we mostly get things like Magi or Seven Deadly Sins that are kinda well-made animation wise, but are really fast-paced not to say rushed compared to the source. The complete contrary of the "old formula". This new formula is obviously geared at reducing an economic failure risk.
Parasyte could have benefited from have 1 more cour, and if Maruyama still was at Madhouse it could have been the new Death Note (even better on some points maybe).
Also, the design and overall mood of the "adult" works that are adapted. Parasyte lost a lot of its mood in my opinion. Death Parade is laughable, Psycho-Pass is the same, Shingeki too.
>>142381358
They also have to earn money, if you want creators having total liberty to do what they want, start watching obscure short and things like the animator expo, because when you put money to do a tv anime, it's pretty obvious that you have to make some dosh if don't want the studio to go bankrupt.
>>142381985
Problem is no one likes giant robots anymore beyond the kind of people that would sacrifice their whole family for Armored Core 6 or another ZoE game to get made or the folks that hoard models that they're never going to build.
>Implying anime was ever good
>>142381456
did you not understand what i was saying? if i had a story i really wanted to tell/show, i'd animate it all on napkins if i had to. If a creator is more concerned with the success than the series itself, he's a shitty artist
>>142378222
Fucking girellari
>>142382073
>Problem is no one likes giant robots anymore
Nigga there's at least one or two new mecha series every season, we have motherfucking macross right now and Gundam Thunderbolt from last seas was amazing.
>>142381985
It is kind of sad that nothing has even come close to trumping the hold Gundam has on mecha. I want fun campy mecha to return. Stuff like Gaiking, Imagawa's Mazinger, and Overman King Gainer.
>>142382093
Or a businessman trying to break even.
Face it, moeshit is easier to make, easier to market and more likely to bring in larger profits.
And this is why we're drowning in generic battle harems and SoLs with cute girls doing cute things.
>>142382158
Almost all of it is military mecha. That guy was talking about super robots.
>>142382158
>macross
You call that idolshit "Macross"?
>>142382158
>>142382237
Never mind I'm retarded
It bugs me in that people think there's no creativity at all, when all anime has mostly been is just a glorified advertisement for merchandise or source material. You can find more variety in manga, though only the tip of the iceberg gets scans.
>>142382073
I think Gyrozetter and Gundam AGE were last real attempts to get children into mecha. And that was what, 2011?
So yeah the only people who like mecha nowadays are vidya fans (and even that is niche) and plamo otaku.
>>142382169
The thing is, children aren't going to watch those. Unless a younger generation gets into mecha, it's eventually going to die out.
You aren't going to see children watching Macross Delta or Thunderbolt, and then thinking "wow, I want to animate that when I grow up"
>>142382175
That's true. I would buy a nendo of a character from say, Anne Happy. But I sure as hell would not buy a figure of, say, Shinji.
>>142381967
>You seem unable to spell, mate.
Wow, you sure showed me by pointing out my typo. You're pretty good at arguing, right?
>Moeshit sells because moefags buy.
Okay, or maybe not. Seems like may very simple sentence went straight over your head.
The guy you replied to was talking about quality and you replied with an argument about financial success. Is it really so difficult to grasp that this are two different concepts? You can make something great that is not succesfull and you can produce garbage that sells.
>>142382240
Somebody post the webm
>>142382240
Macross has always been idolshit my dear anon
>>142382169
I don't think Gundam has anything to do with it as much as it is the relative disinterest in mecha nowadays.
>>142382292
Of course that's clear to me, it's the gist of my point.
And guess what directors prefer? The latter.
It's economics, people prefer more to less, and especially more money to less.
Quality is in decline because people would rather watch and buy moefag shit.
>>142382394
Moe really isn't the problem. The vast majority of non-moe anime these days is shit as well. It's rather that everyone is afraid of trying anything new as just repeating the same concepts over and over has less risks. Plus people eating up even the shittiest animation.
>>142382532
Yeah I took 'moe' as an example.
The other thing that easily comes to mind is battle harem, but people watch battle harem and moe for essentially the same reasons, and that is cute girls.
>>142382283
You don't need to be into plamo to like mecha. The majority of UC and some AUs are good enough on their own regardless if you like plamo or not, it's just hard to get people into 80s animation even if it's some of the best that era had to offer animation wise.
>>142382579
It's not just these types of shows, though. Just compare the art quality of Drabon Ball and Dragon Ball Super. They are worlds apart, despite being from the same franchise. You can't just blame certain genres here, it's a fundamental attitude of the whole industry towards their work.
>>142382710
Well, Toei is also a special case.
And Dragon Ball doesn't really compare to Dragon Ball Z either. Dragon Ball is a bit like early One Piece (really constant animation without flashiness) when Dragon Ball Z is like most modern anime with ups and downs.
I agree though that DBS is horrible like current One Piece.
>>142378222
>Japanese is a garbage language.
Maybe the written part, sure, but it sounds fucking great.
>>142378577
Pretty much this.
>>142382900
>Maybe the written part, sure, but it sounds fucking great.
It sounds really repetitive, but also has a kind of nice rhythmic to it.
whoredditgaharahere
>>142378716
>no name director
Most people in the industry are like the guy in the right, get over it. Look at the VN industry.
When Maeda was told to keep Clannad all ages, he pleaded to the CEO to let him make one with sex next.
When the writers tried to cut back the moe in rewrite, the artists complained that it was boring to draw so they made a fandisc with all the moe they want.
It was the PUBLISHER in Japan that stopped Oreimo from having full fledged incest in the book and anime, not the author or the studio.
Stop projecting your normalfag taste onto Japan.
>>142378126
No but I am sure tired of meta threads made by anti elitists.
>tumblr
Yeah buddy, you're sure doing this website a world of good
Sage btw
