Did Haki have a positive impact on this series?
>>142335504
When haki became relevant the series turned almost instantly into shit.
There's no functional difference between having it and not
No, but Oda wrote himself into a corner with these logia fruits and had to figure out a way to deal with them so we got Haki. He could only go so far with the Water/Sand and Rubber/Lightning counters and using seastone for everything would probably get annoying. So you take the hit creatively in order to get past an obstacle he created.
Though the Haki thing that bugs me the most is the CoC one. Since putting limitations about having to be born "special" to have it turns me off Haki more than it otherwise would.
>>142335504
Will we ever see another genuine face like that from Luffy?
Ever since the timeskip he devolved into a goody parody of what he was before. Not a single intense moment like there used to have every arc.
There's a thread already. The chapter is out. Why do you have an old photo? We need to discuss the new chapter.
Everyone come of the real thread
>>142335365
>>142335365
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>>142335365
Big Mom
>87 children
>43 husbands
>twins for each = 86 children
>1 special child
Big Mom marries a man and bears twins each time. Something must be significant in this.
>Lola clearly has a twin
>Pudding is never shown to be the same person as the 3-eyed girl...yet. Could be twins.
WHAT'S GOING ON????????
>>142336136
Here's a list of possible counters he could have used.
Fire/Water
Smoke/Wind
Ice/Heat
Magma/Cold then break the stone
Gaz/Lightning
Swamp/Scorch
Light/Mirrors
Darkness/Light
>>142337145
>Cancerous BTFO thread
>Advertising your own thread
fuck off and reprtd.
>>142337194
Makes sense. It's going to play out one way or the other. They are probably gonna substitute one for the other.
It doesn't matter anyway because we're headed for a red wedding sort of affair. Germa is delivering someone else's regards.
>>142337250
That would get old quickly. Fighting logias would be a pain in the ass, and the fights people seem to the enjoy most are straight up brawls like Lucci/Luffy anyway
I think it had a positive impact on the series. There are still a few ways it could have been executed better. First of all it would have been nice if we saw characters go through supernatural kung-fu training in order to acquire it. It would also be nice if armor Haki was restricted to being used 2 or 3 times during a single fight. The manga could show Luffy thinking "alright I can only use Haki two more times, I gotta make it count" and we would wonder whether he would use it for offense or defense, and we would have a clearer idea of who is winning or losing the fight.
>>142337573
If you reread East Blue and early Grand Line, Oda was actually going for complicated heavily choreographed fights with lots of inventive counters.
Enies Lobby was the beginning of the decline when it just turned into 'imma punch your fist and you gonna punch my fist'.
Take Dofflamingo's fight. In early One Piece you can damn bet he wouldn't have been that strong but his strings would have been unbreakable. And finding the counter to that or breaking the strings would have been the pinnacle of the entire fight.
>>142336848
>>142337773
>Oda was actually going for complicated heavily choreographed fights
Top kek any proof?
>>142337717
>It would also be nice if armor Haki was restricted to being used 2 or 3 times during a single fight.
Yeah but it would only lead to abuse where the power of Nakama allows him to use it as many times as he want if he really wants it. Killing any sort of tension tight resource management might generate.
There isn't any drawback to using Haki, right? Like it hasn't been established that they can only use it a limited amount of times, so they should use it on every attack from now on.
>>142337905
Yes? Considering it actually was a thing until Enies Lobby.
Why is this thread still up?
OP is samefagging .
Just let it die.
Come to the real thread. We don't need 2 threads
>>142335365
>>142335365
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>>142338028
Luffy can go full nigger mode for 20 min. There isn't really much of a drawback unless Oda skips part of the fight like he did in dressdrossa, which is bullshit.
>>142338167
>being this buttblasted
We get it. You want to advertise your cancerous shipping thread that you made before bump limit was reached.
Hide and report your spam.
>>142337312
Actually he wasn't that was my thread
>>142338286
That's not his thread
>>142338307
>>142338349
>posts exactly 1 min apart
Breath a little next time. Your new is showing.
>>142336136
It's my personal belief that the counters never did shit and Luffy was just unconsciously tapping into dat Haki. I mean the dude can make stone turn to sand, do you really think a few drops of water really fuck him up that much? The blood thing was bullshit too, it would coagulate too quickly to do shit. Same with Enel, the immunity makes sense I guess but it's a stretch(rubber joke), how did the golden ball hit him too? Haki motherfucker.
>>142338127
That's it? You don't read much manga do you? That isn't really anything special.
>>142337773
The future Pirate King is going to find a counter for everything in his entire journey. Are you a child or something? Do you want One Piece to be a manga about puzzles and full of cheesy counter bullshit while you are at it? Brute force fights are the best.
>>142338470
autist
>>142338533
lol says the retarded far end spectrum guy that enjoys cheesy shit like counters and puzzle solving. go dunk your head in a toilet you idiot.
Ever since they explained haki I've been waiting for Robin to use armament Haki and create a field of haki enhanced limbs to just beat the shit out of something. She'd be a top contender for best fighter on the crew, and her abilities are so underused as it is.
When will Krieg return and wreck everyone's shit? His will was on par with fucking Luffy, he just needed to train, and I can see him being the type to do that.
>>142338575
I'm not the one who insulted you.
As far as shonen goes One Piece was more like JoJo until it decided to be more like DBZ for some reason.
And we all know what is the superior manga.
>>142338750
>I've been waiting for Robin to use armament Haki and create a field of haki enhanced limbs to just beat the shit out of something. She'd be a top contender for best fighter on the crew, and her abilities are so underused as it is.
>implying Robin is strong
She would just get exhausted then shredded by someone with a superior haki. Her fruit isn't that good desu
Will Carrot join the crew? I want her more than Jinbei.
>>142338427
Nah. His fist hit enel first, causing his lightning to cancel. Then the ball. And it was more of the weight of the ball that caused the damage.
>>142338903
She can literally make haki fists from anywhere, including other people's bodies. She can make them huge if she wants.
The only reason that wouldn't be a high tier fruit is if the user didn't know how to use it.
>>142339178
She takes damage if a single one is hurt. A strong enemy would just grab one and shred it.
It seems size is mostly irrelevant now in One Piece. Used to be a thing but not since the last part of Grand Line.
>>142338852
Not the guy you are responding to, but I agree you.
I'm not as hyped for the fights coming up, but Oda revealing some crazy power ups has made the DBZ style fights bearable. But that novelty will most likely wear off like the tiered flashbacks we have been getting.
>>142338770
Never.
>>142339633
You know the Oda's readers by now. He gave Zoro an intellectual challenge with Pica instead of a physical one that required him to borrow abilities from guys like Orlumbus to execute his plan. People trashed it and said Zoro doesn't get good fights anymore, that's why Oda is heading into DBZ territory.
>>142339633
>but Oda revealing some crazy power ups has made the DBZ style fights bearable.
The saving grace is that there's so many interesting fighters that it's somehow enjoyable to keep discovering new crazy power. But then they devolve into set damage attacks like it's some kind of RPG.
Maybe this is why Oda now focuses on huge battles and tons of new characters at the expanse of making existing characters shallow and fights rushed.
>>142339783
He could have just jumped from roof to roofs at super speed. That's the problem with Oda making characters way too strong, this could have happened and no one would have bat an eye. It takes away a lot from the suspense when he's inconsistent with the distances and character's abilities.
>>142335504
It gave a way for Luffy to pierce logia powers.
>>142339783
>People trashed it and said Zoro doesn't get good fights anymore
who said that? it was like his second post timeskip fight. during the first one he almmost finshed off the arc boss (Hody)
>>142338987
She is annoying, but the good kind of annoying.
>>142335504
The only impact it had at all was explaining how normal people could fight logia users, so in that I suppose it's good. Every application other than that was unnecessary though.
>people in this thread RIGHT NOW actually take Pudding at face value and think it's just a nice happy coincidence that Big Mom's daughter just literally flew down to the SHs, acting all innocent and being like "Oh I didn't realise you were SH Luffy, one of the most wanted people in the world!!!"
https://youtu.be/KqDYlrPnIy4?t=10s
>>142339436
She could flower her hand inside someone's heart, or just her teeth. She could literally line someone's lungs with 1000s of her teeth.
>>142339436
>She takes damage if a single one is hurt.
That's why the Haki
>tfw no lewds of Koala and Nojiko together
What do you think about the idea that Big Mom had her kids not by fucking a load of men but by eating them and spawning humans? Like a kind of Wapol flesh factory.
>>142340873
She can't do that in a solid.
>>142335504
I think it's been okay, but it was the result of Oda writing himself into a pretty bad hole.
>>142342513
There's air in your lungs. There's air all inside you. And she can do it in water or liquid, which makes up a hell of a lot of your insides. Just spawn a hand in someone's mouth and go down their throat, that'd be another choice.
>>142342570
nah its unlikely she can do that.
>>142340820
>Land on an island
>Luffy befriends the local princess
sounds about right
She's lived a sheltered life never struggling for anything so course she'd be Naive
>>142339436
>It seems size is mostly irrelevant now in One Piece
>g4 isn't a larger luffy
>>142342822
Nothing Oda has said means she can't do that. In other words, she can definitely do it based on what we know. It's just a case of if Oda is willing or has thought of it. It's like how Doflamingo could just have put a little bird cage of wires around himself and Luffy couldn't have done a thing... but nope.
>Ichiji apparently has something against Sanji even though he last saw him when he was like 6
What's his damage
>>142343013
Maybe he thinks Sanji having disappeared for all those years was betrayal and he took it personally.
>>142335504
Negative impact for sure.
>>142336136
With how little importance Seastone has had in the series i would have welcomed its use.
>>142342973
Yeah I get your point. There's no arguing because it's a plot hole. But she shouldn't be able to do that tho cus that would be OP-
>>142340113
It sucks. Water Luffy vs. Croc was awesome. I loved Luffy's out of the box thinking that got him through fights.
>>142335504
What was /a/'s reaction?
>>142343289
Why didn't any magma gurgle past that flimsy blade?
>>142342973
Robin said she has to see something to sprout limbs on it. You can't see someone's innards unless...they become outtards, I guess.
>>142343347
nanomachines
>>142343013
He broke up their sentai team.
>>142343461
Well that's an answer
>>142343483
Dammit. If Sanji was the youngest he could have been called 'Baby Blue'.
>>142343013
>Sanji has defective genes so his eyebrows go the opposite way
I met he's Dadji's bastard son with a whore
>>142343013
Sanji was betrothed to Purin since he was born. When he ran off, Ichiji thought he could marry Purin instead because he loves her, but he still wasn't allowed to. That's why he hates Sanji: bastard cucks him even when he's god knows where.
>>142338770
This arc is when he will return. Gin joined Germa 66 after being saved by Sanji's sister. Don Krieg didn't but will now go to the wedding because he heard that not only is Gin there but also Sanji and Luffy.
This is the year of Kreig.
>>142343286
this
Imagine the beautiful alternative universe where Doflamingo won and Luffy's head was put on a pike outside of the castle. Glorious.
At least that's what I do when I remember the god-awful end to that fight. Booooo.
Did they really have to phrase it like this? It's so eye-rolly
>>142345734
Brook is awesome.
I miss the times when people thought Haki was the force of will that let Zoro talk with swords in his mouth, Sanji not wince from setting his legs on fire, and Nami hurt Luffy with her slaps. Actual Haki made OP so much more formulaic and dull.
>>142343013
Ichiji was jealous of Sanji getting all his father's attention even though he is the first son and most loyal. Their Dadji was interested in Sanji more since he is the only one who has the mirrored eyebrows like his father. Probably some successor bullshit.
Ichiji was relieved when Sanji left but got pissed again when his father wouldn't stop looking for that traitor brother.
Look at him now. Working hard on a Germa mission, and now he has to drop everything to go to his shit little brother's wedding, because that's all his father cares about. Not Ichiji.
>>142343013
Damn, these really are Fairy Tale´s design tier.
>>142345832
He's the most useless crew member though
>musician
>swordsman even thought Zoro's already a god swordsman
Although, his fruit actually makes him literally impossible to defeat unless he's in seawater so that gives him some credit. Like he could save his crewmates by tanking hits for them or swim through through lava if needed, doesn't affect him.
>>142335504
Worst three things to happen to the series were easily
1. Haki
2. Sabo
3. Awakening
>>142346144
Agreed about Sabo.
Haki improved the series immensely. It gave non-fruit users better tools to fight against them. Otherwise its like, yeah ok, how are you gonna beat a dude who is magma or light.
>>142346243
Yah, if you think haki ruined the series that means it was ruined in the first chapter.
>Law Bullying: The Manga
Why can't he have nice things?
This chapter proved Nami likes Sanji. Did you guys see the faces she was making? She did not like what she was hearing at all. She even had to make sure if pudding like Sanji or not that she asked her.
haki was god tier
until it started showing on characters as a color change
it could be interpreted as "readers now can see hakibecause observationhaki!"
but that's a lazy excuse
it would have been fine if it stayed hidden, like, luffy can punch smoker.
>>142346295
Stop being autistic you know everyone is speaking about armament haki here.
Or you're an actual autist, in which case you should probably head to specialized communities for your kind.
>>142346717
also like hancock managed to take down smoker in the war, but her legs didn't turn black
>>142346736
Fuck off you passive-aggressive wanker.
>>142346770
When someone just spout this sort of bullshit for the 1000th time, when it's clear armament haki is the one people have in mind, he shouldn't expect any better.
>>142346640
eh, don't see it
>>142346133
>most useless crew member
not even a Brookfag, but hell no is Brook useless
>Functions as a bodyguard for the weaker members of the crew when the heavy hitters are off getting shit done
>is fast enough to wipe the floor with hundreds of mooks and strong enough to take on third-tier bosses
>has an array of OHKO moves; the ice slash from hell, that one move where he makes opponents dance before slashing them
>His ghost mode is perfect for recon in strange lands
>has yet to lose a 1v1 battle since he joined the crew, because he's crafty and chooses his battles. He can lull stronger opponents into a false sense of security before raping them
>Is a wise sage with 80 plus years of worldly knowledge
Why is Brook so underestimated by /a/non's here? You guys even give Chopper more credit than you do Brook
>>142346864
So he's just a weak zoro?
The only thing that's worth something in what you mentioned is his ghost form. But even then Robin does it better.
He's also retarded, not wise.
whose down to talk about one piece on snapchat? Got some questions but dont want to be that spoiled
Carrot
>Multiple costume changes
>Trespassers gimmick
>Already gets along with the crew
>Wants to see the world
>Probably will co-opt Big Mom's dream with no ulterior motives
>Another grill
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Just thought of something; How do the Vinsmokes have access to tech that most of the world has never seen before? Either they have access to a Vegapunk tier scientist or they discovered some blue prints from the people of the ancient kingdom
>>142347024
It's gonna go over the top i there are two furries in the crew.
>>142346999
I was about to offer my help but then it has dawned upon me that you are a phone user.
Fuck phone users. Driving down this website one phonepost at a time.
>>142335504
Haki didn't start to drag the series down until Oda had to color code Armament. Shanks in the first chapter, Eneru and the Amazons, and Garp being able to punch luffy and the Marine battle where ace died all made Haki an interesting facet of the world and not something that lent itself too easily to power wank.
Now it's about who can out haki the next person and it made Law vs Vergo a little groan-worthy. And some other fights as well.
Not terrible but it's a problem I've seen in a couple other series where the writer feels the need to telegraphy something visually that the reader (an intelligent reader at least) can infer it's use through context. BnHA has the same thing with Full Cowl in the manga and the anime in general with the lightning effect.
>>142346967
his main value is in keeping the weaker members like Nami, Usopp and Chopper safe when the stronger members are away. They can take care of themselves, yes, but they lack the raw combat experience and technique that Brook has. And yes, he's a goof, but he's also one of the most loyal SH's and knows a ton about the OP world; granted his experience and knowledge hasn't come into play much, but I have a feeling it will in the coming chapters
>>142347240
Honestly, I think all of the Straw Hats are just as loyal as another. They've all had their bad moments, but they've gotten over them by now.
>>142347240
>he's also one of the most loyal SH's
they're all loyal
At least we all can agree who are the bravest men in the world, the ones that put their dick inside Big Mom.
>>142346864
He only fights grunts and joke enemies.
He doesn't even play music that often, his one real job.
If they never met brook, the manga wouldnt change in any way, except there would be less puns and there would be one less person watching zoro fight ryuma.
>>142347498
>implying they did so willingly
>implying they haven't all been turned into sweets and eaten or turned into grinning, leering pieces of furniture
>>142335504
Having haki does not mean being stronger than a logia user without haki. Logia powers themselves are strong. Ace's power level therefore was not unreasonable if he masters his power. It's not needed to develop haki if he could use his power to beat people with it. Strong people are logia types too. Having haki just makes them scarier.
>>142346717
>it would be fine if it stayed hidden
The problem with that is all of luffy attacks would look the same and we wouldn't know when haki was being used and when it wasn't.
>>142340395
>during the first one he almmost finshed off the arc boss (Hody)
And Zoro was underwater as well. Zoro would of shit on Hody if he got to fight him not in the water like Luffy did.
If we're talking about uselessness as a whole for the ship then the order would go
Luffy>Robin>sanji>franky>=nami>=chopper>brook>=usopp>zoro
>>142347049
Because they are royalty speed reader.
>>142335504
If a Haki cancels out the burn one would get from punching Akainu then it's pure bullshit. I get that he can take damage with Haki but Luffy shouldn't be able to hit Akainu without getting burned.
>>142348286
This doesn't make zoro fight good, you know that right. Hody has been one of the most shit boss villians luffy has faced. zoro taking him out wouldn't have been impressive, hell sanji could have probably taken him out definitely on land. Zoro fight with pica was shit. Pica was a absolute jobber. That's all he was there for
>>142348381
But you're hitting the user physical body
>>142338852
Perfect comparison. I agree with you wholeheartedly
>>142348351
>because they are Royalty
So is vivi, Rebecca, Shirahoshi, Hancock,Stelly and much more yet only the vinsmokes have the technology
>>142347563
And jora would have killed chopper and nami
>>142347092
You just outed yourself as a NEET
>>142348428
Well Hody had the bad luck to be the first villain they encountered after the timeskip, he and the rest of his garbage fish people were only there to show how strong the Straw Hats became.
>>142347377
Nami wasn't so loyal before Eneru
>>142348428
Outside of Mr.1 did Zoro ever fought anything other than slow jobber or weak fodder.
>I first time my Girafe DF kek
>>142347049
Reminder that the only things guarding Vegapunks secrets were some no-name marines, robot animals and common sense
>>142335504
No it's mostly negative.
On one hand I can understand that it's hard coming up with logical weaknesses for every logia and other weird devil fruit, but getting lazy and just giving one sweeping solution to all of them is a disappointing method.
And honestly I would really preferred if haki had remained invisible. Bringing it to the forefront of every fight was a stupid choice. Now every fucking fight has to feature multiple "powering up" panels showing people imbuing their body/weapons with haki.
>>142348428
Sanji is the fastest SH underwater he would wrecked him more easily than Luffy and Zoro could ever hope to
>>142349204
>Sanji is the fastest SH underwater
For now
>>142349204
I'm betting they all could have wrecked him. But the steroids would of still made it hard
>>142349244
>>142349204
For a long time I dreamed of Sanji of fighting a Fishman with kicking Karate underwater. Karate isn't just punches because Jimbei and Hody are fatasses
>>142335504
I feel that a hard counter was needed, otherwise to avoid predictable devil fruits coming later that the crew already has a counter for either on hand or by which island they are currently on, They would have to pull something out of their ass to win.
Whereas sure haki does kinda suck since pretty much everyone can use it, its more of a rip of a bandaid than kemo.
>>142337250
>water water human
>cant go into the water
what?
>>142336038
not a single (you)? lets fix that
>>142348647
wheredoyouthinkyouare.jpgBut the phone part is retarded, I wanna be on 4chan whenever I'm out and bored.
>>142336038
But it's better than it ever was now.
>>142335504
Yes. I mean it's mandatory since there are logia users.
And body parts covered in black armor is a cool idea.
>>142335504
Haki was fine originally as a method to simply attack the "true" form of devil fruit user's bodies.
The issue is haki is now vaguely related to strength so now armament haki is included in virtually any clash between strong people, with or without devil fruits.
So now it's armament haki this, armament haki that, etc. Characters are still hitting each as ever in the series, and the stronger still wins in a clash, but now they have to be shiny and black to do it.
>pre-haki fights
>decided by who comes up with a more creative counter to the enemies abilities or unexpected surprise attack
>post-haki fights
>decided by who has higher haki powerlevel
>>142338852
It never was though. The only 2 fights that are remotely like that are Croc and Enel. They are the exception to the rule and not the other way around. Luffy vs Buggy, Kuro, Krieg and Arlong where pretty much just fist fights and the most loved fight in the series is vs Lucci. So the introduction of Haki did not actually change much.
>>142338750
Good thing this will never happen. It would be totally out of character since Robin is not a brawler.
>>142349829
Adding haki turned every fight into a logia battle, except worse.
Now you just can't hurt someone if their haki is way stronger than yours. And now there's no elemental counters or stuff like that.
>>142339924
>He could have just jumped from roof to roofs at super speed.
Bullshit, that would have been ridiculous. Zoro was too fucking far away and he was never portrayed as having The Flash-like speed. You are vastly underrestimating the scale of this battle.
i want to marry purin
I'm fine with all forms of haki except what armament has evolved into, I prefer just the original purpose of it to hit devil fruit users.
I'm just not a fan of the shiny black effect and the fact that any clash of note virtually requires armament haki now. If two powerhouses punch each other, the stronger should win, right? So why did haki have to be shoehorned in so now even non devil fruit users have to clash with their "haki", even though the "stronger" should still win anyways?
Did Garp beat Chinjao only because his "haki" was stronger? Most would say no, Garp is simply stronger. In which case the "haki" strengthening aspect is irrelevant.
It's just an extra layer that doesn't add any actual depth.
>>142346096
>he thinks about Fairy Tail when seeing obvious Cyborg 009 inspired designs
fucking pleb
>>142346144
none of these 3 things had any bad impact on the series and you can't prove me wrong about that
>>142347236
>Law vs Vergo a little groan-worthy.
Why do some people still think Law used Haki against Vergo?
>>142347563
>If they never met brook, the manga wouldnt change in any way
Zoro, Usopp, Robin and Luffy would be dead
>>142349640
this is wrong and you know it
>>142349894
>Adding haki turned every fight into a logia battle, except worse.
What a load of bullshit
>>142346587
why is this not translated?I want more law ;_;
>>142349947
no you creep!
>>142346864
Brook had so much potential to be a cool character but then they decided to make him a joke character.
Disappointing.
>>142349947
t.sanji
Oh god no. It only made the series worse. Haki is just the classic action anime "6th sense" and increased power/durability. It's fucking nothing, and incredibly generic. But hey, their skin turns black so it's totally new and different and special! Haki was when I was ready to drop the series. Then I did after the utter trash that was merman island. Post timeskip OP is just plain bad. The series began to die after Water 7 when Oda forgot how to be creative.
Haki's just a tool to establish which characters are relevant in action scenes and which aren't. It's like if the character is a Saiyan or not in DBZ. If you don't have Haki, you're fucking irrelevant and only good for directions and repairs.
>>142335504
Yes, it reinforces what we learned in the Baratie arc. Those with strong will and spirit will always go far.
It also helps you understand Luffy vs Bellamy in both of their fights. The weak don't choose how they die, but in their second fight Bellamy developed more will and haki to choose where he could die, and that was fighting Luffy, a man he respects.Except he didn't even die in the end because Oda hates killing characters.
>>142350729
So what? Usopp is a joke character as well
>>142347067
The crew needs more no-humans. And zoans and minks aren't even the same thing.
>>142337773
Not at all speed reader. Those 'counter' fights were all against ignorant villains or people who retreated frmo the New World.
Crocodile retreated back to Paradise after getting his shit stomped by Whitebeard.
Enel was isolated from the rest of the seas and was too devil fruit reliant.
Moria relied on a lack of sunlight.
Only the top tiers are in the New World and the only way to beat them is by punching their shit in, not exposing their weakness as much as the first half of the series.
>>142348190
Why is that a problem? Why do we even need to know he's using it? If he's punching someone super hard, we could just assume he is. We don't get a visual representation every time he uses observational haki.
>>142350141
Remind me when he saved them again? I don't remember it
>>142350765
>It only made the series worse.
How? You did not really explain why it made the series worse you just called it generic.
Post timeskip OP is just plain bad. The series began to die after Water 7
Nice minority opinion
>Oda forgot how to be creative.
How is One Piece not creative anymore? Explain this please
>Haki's just a tool to establish which characters are relevant in action scenes and which aren't. It's like if the character is a Saiyan or not in DBZ. If you don't have Haki, you're fucking irrelevant and only good for directions and repairs.
Wrong. We had plenty of fights without haki but no surprise you don't know that since you dropped it.
>>142350991
FI and PH
>>142346864
>Luffy has a monkey tattoo
>Franky has a dragon tattoo
Franky Vegapunk confirmed?
>>142348190
exactly like the other 2 hakis
>>142351095
>Nice minority opinion
Yeah, what? The majority opinion is timeskip OP fucking sucks. /a/ doesn't represent the entierty of the anime fanbase, if you weren't aware.
>How is One Piece not creative anymore? Explain this please
The plot lines only became increasingly dull, cliched, predictable, and he never gives up on the
>MUH SUPER TRAGIC BACKSTORY!
bullshit. It's so fucking tired and overdone in this series. Does every character in OP need to have a horrendous life that we need 5 chapters to hear about, including side characters that'll never be relevant again? And the action scenes and powers are also growing more tired and dull.
>We had plenty of fights without haki but no surprise you don't know that since you dropped it.
I still read the Don fight for fun. And y'know what the only creative parts were? When they didn't use fucking Haki, and Luffy didn't pull another SSJ form out of his ass after no buildup whatsoever. Gear 2nd and 3rd at least had some cool foreshadowing and seeing the results of the abilities off-screen before using them. I always liked that. Too bad it never happens anymore.
Goddamn I caused some anal bleeding here. You gonna be okay, OPfag? Need some help? Your shitty action shounen isn't any better than Bleach or Naruto.
>>142348190
ITT: speed readers
Invisible armament haki still exists post timeskip anon
Is Sanji's father's name just Oyaji?
So Killer is Gonji?
>>142335504
THE INVINCIBLE CAPTAIN JACK
Speaking about haki and based on Zoro vs Pika whose haki is stronger, does it work with CoO too?
I mean if you have a strong haki can you fake your moves and trick the opponent's CoO?
For example you "send" your next move through your haki something like you will punch him with your left hand, but actually you kick him with right foot.
>>142351873
I don't think so. When two persons have CoO when they fight is like none of them had it.
My word, truly a big mom !
Would you a Big Mom?
>>142352047
Power is sexy.
>>142352047
I'd rather the Pudding.
Sanji will fight his evil bro ichiji
>>142352165
But he's a good guy.
>>142352192
how
>>142352219
Anon pls.
>>142352280
explain
>>142335504
It did, there was no way Oda could keep inventing ways for logias to be plausibly beaten otherwise.
Haki isn't fantastic, but it's among the better ex deus machinas.
--
Also, anyone want to help me out here? What is the name for that flaw in many shonens wherein the power level of things get out of hand and in order to compensate everything must ever-increasingly become stronger in order to keep up... Eventually it gets to the point of DBZ where a single man could put a planet at stake.
Anyway, One Piece isn't as guilty of this as most other shonen's (it might be the least guilty of it yet, actually), but what's it called?
>>142351873
interesting
>>142352349
Power creep, power scaling, flanderisation.
Toriko and Seven Deadly Sins have been destroyed by this.
>>142352324
Read the chapter.
>>142352383
>toriko and SNK was destroyed by this
Neither of those series was great to begin with and they're full to the brim with ass pulls and BS power ups. If oda really wanted to go that route he could of been had but he chooses not too
>>142352384
You go read the chapter
>>142352349
>It did, there was no way Oda could keep inventing ways for logias to be plausibly beaten otherwise.
Every element has it's weak point.
>>142352459
No, you!
>>142351634
>it still exists
Ok now show me a time that luffy has used it with one of his attacks? Haki is suppose to reinforce and strength object. with out the color, unless they say it out loud then it would seem like they're just using regular attacks. Except against a logia.
>>142352467
air
>>142352501
No you. You said that he's good I want you to go reread the chapter
>>142351582
>Yeah, what? The majority opinion is timeskip OP fucking sucks. /a/ doesn't represent the entierty of the anime fanbase, if you weren't aware.
You are seriously deluded if you think this is the case. One Piece still gets the highest ratings on pretty much every relevant anime site and occupies one of the top 10 spots pretty much everywhere. The sales did not drop and the WSJ rankings always have OP on #1 or #2. The fact is that the majority still enjoys the series and people like you are pretty much 1 in 20.
>The plot lines only became increasingly dull, cliched, predictable, and he never gives up on the MUH SUPER TRAGIC BACKSTORY!
Not really. And if you seriously complain about the formular repeating in a battle shounen you maybe should read something else since this is obviously not the right genre for you. And it is not like Oda mixes the formular up from time to time. The plot is predictable? So you guessed that Shirahoshi is an anciengt weapon? That Doflamingo is a Tenryuubito? That Momonsuke is the decendant of the one who made the Poneglyphs? That Blackbeard will find Dragons base and wreck it? Etc. And there is literally nothing wrong with the tragic backstorys. They are still among the best moments of the manga.
>>142351582
>I still read the Don fight for fun. And y'know what the only creative parts were? When they didn't use fucking Haki, and Luffy didn't pull another SSJ form out of his ass after no buildup whatsoever. Gear 2nd and 3rd at least had some cool foreshadowing and seeing the results of the abilities off-screen before using them. I always liked that. Too bad it never happens anymore.
What nonsense. The most creative thing about the fight was how Luffys powers worked together with haki. G4 is the most creative form Oda came up with so far and is versatile as fuck. And calling G4 an asspull just shows that you have no clue what you are talking about. That Luffy gained a new form while he was training for 2 years is nothing that comes out of nowhere and that he decides to use it as his last resort against a strong enemy is nothing you should complain about if you are familiar with how a battle shounen works. And where was the "cool foreshadowing" of G2? It was a single panel where Luffy said "I have a new technique that I want to try out." G3 was not even foreshadowed at all.
> Goddamn I caused some anal bleeding here. You gonna be okay, OPfag? Need some help? Your shitty action shounen isn't any better than Bleach or Naruto.
Gee, what epic platitudes you are throwing at me. Oh help, whatever should I do, you sure showed me.
>>142352530
Okay anon I'll spoon feed you the examples, even the non Luffy ones.
Luffy vs Pacifista
Pekoms vs Caribou
Luffy grabbing Caesar
Boo in the coliseum
Sabo vs Bastille
>>142352467
Ok what's smoke, air, swamp, light, and magma weak points
>>142352467
But Oda would still had to write the fight and him always placing objects or shit that helps against Logias randomly on the battlefield or what not would actually be pretty lame and ass pullish
>>142352467
Sure, and how would the rubber king of the pirates fare against that? By conveniently getting the counter-elements to be his underlings? That would be lame, the implementation of haki was a better option.
>>142352383
The first term you listed was the one I was looking for, and flanderisation is a great new one to learn of (Sanji, anyone? ..Though this may fortunately be changing as of Zou).
Thank you very much anon, I'm gracious.
>>142346864
>Why is Brook so underestimated by /a/non's here?
Because that's his thing, being underestimated. These old bones leave the spotlight to the new generation.
>>142352593
>Luffy vs pacifista
Sentomaru had to state that luffy used it. Plus the punch was so fast you wouldn't even be able to til if he did or not.
>pekom vs caribou
He's a logia user
>luffy grabbing Caesar
Once again a logia user
>boo in the coliseum
He said that he used it
>sabo vs Bastille
How do you know he used haki?
So like I said, without it we would just be looking at the same attacks. The only way we would ever know if the characters are using it during the match would be if someone said it or the opponent is a logia
>>142350962
But then people would be wondering why the same punches do different amount of damage.
>>142335504
Unlike most of the comments here, I like Haki when it was mysterious and had no name. Like when Shanks walked through the deck of the Moby Dick and people were collapsing and foaming their mouths, or when Rayleigh just knocked out the whole auditorium.
Even on Sky Island, when Mantra was used was kinda interesting. It was for the most part, another power no different than Zoro knowing how to create vacuum slashes.
But once everyone and their moms had it, the appeal kinda goes away, especially with the new illustration with going giga nigga. As I said, I loved the mystery aspect to it, like how a guy like Shanks who looks so fucking normal in a world full of super human giants could be a walking gravity training machine from DBZ. Part of me wanted to know what it was, but once I knew the exact mechanics Shanks was no longer as cool anymore in hindsight. He was just a big bad ass.
And unlike others who think everyone should be JoJo, I feel that as the series progressed, Haki should have been more common, but not the way it is now. Right now there's no emphasis on the different colors, whereas before you saw different people specializing in different haki.
Take Doffy for example. Which Haki is his most specialized? You can say CoC I guess cause that's rare, but that's not really proof cause there's no way to really compare his different Haki during Dressrosa. Unless the series spelled it out for us like how the Monster Trio did, it was no longer 3 different colors, just 1 general use power. The fights aren't even choreographed to take high light each character's Haki specialization much.
So while I don't think the idea that Doffy would just be another Kuro or Buggy super reliant on his over powered gimmick would be great, I think it'd be better if Haki was just another card that played into their fighting style, their tactics.
And Haki should be even more diversified instead of having only 3 categories.
>>142351548
>exactly like the two other haki
But you can clearly tell when both of those are being used.
>>142352976
>Like when Shanks walked through the deck of the Moby Dick and people were collapsing and foaming their mouths, or when Rayleigh just knocked out the whole auditorium.
It was called Haki right then and there
>>142352558
I've read the chapter.
>>142351818
maybe his face is hidden with a reason
>>142353209
He's ugly as fuck.
>>142352192
Ichiji has every implication of being evil.
>>142353272
This. He has the Lucci attitude
Oda should keep his concept from Romance Dawn about the Peace Means and Morgianas.
>>142353272
nope
>>142346864
Because /a/ is fucking retarded, plain and simple.
So Ichiji is 1, what is the name of 2?
>>142353438
Niji
>>142353344
OK, so to begin with then, how do you justify him using one of his subordinates as a human shield?
>>142353438
Where did those mini meme-crowns originate
>>142353463
he is a good boy
he dindu nuffin
>>142353463
In a war a soldiers duty to protect his "commander" even if it costs his life.
>>142353548
look at this autist
>>142337773
doflamingo was great. i'd much rather have the monster oda gave us than some dude who gets knocked out when a single attack makes it past his strings
>break next week
>the day after chapter
>haki 'discussion' aka 'muh powerlevel ruined everything'
>>142353463
Basically Luffy did the same at FI, when he went after Hody and relied on Sanji and Zoro let them handle the remaining fishmen
>>142353668
Are you idiot?
>>142353670
How? Luffy knew Sanji and Zoro would take care of the fishmen fodder while Ichiji knew he was using one of his subordinate as a human shield. Hell, all he did was say was "wall" in reaction, as if to say "die for me". Maybe it's just me, but I get the feeling he could have just as easily dodged the attack in the time he requested another person to jump in front of him... Or is this super strong new character we've been introduced to not as agile as the common fodder?
>>142353668
yeah, sadly these kind of retards will never go extinct
>>142353752
elaborate please
>>142353752
please die
>>142353768
>>142353777
identic sodomit
>>142353746
That's not how it works.
So, Sanji's mother was probably a mistress or side chick or whatever, right? And she probably died during child birth. Cause Sanji's the only sibling with different eyebrows.
>>142353670
>>142353746
Let's be real honest. He did exactly what Hody did against Zoro
I don't like the fact that everyone magically developed it off screen except for Usopp.
Germa -> Germany
mindblown.jpg
>>142353904
It was 2 years and only relatively strong people got it.
>>142338127
That's just Luffy using his rubber powers. You know. How he does with his gears. Plus he literally brute forces Arlong into defeat.
>>142353904
they were training, nothing about that is magically developing it
>>142353940
blonde, technological advanced, their old empire doesn't exist anymore, the name of the leaders is a synonym for cruelty.
Nice
>>142353940
>>142353980
And Big Mom is current Germany, a multicultural utopia with an old matriarch as the leading figure
>>142343286
How would he fight the admirals in your opinion? Or Smoker?
Pudding lying and basing her encounter with Sanji from the info in his poster is a 99% deal imho.
>Heart-shaped eyes
He's got them in his bounty poster, which is not that weird for Sanji, obviously, but it's an interesting design choice on Oda's behalf for his poster.
>Curly eyebrows
Obviously there too.
>Black Leg
His nickname is Kuroashi and she actually believed he had black legs. If she had actually met him, she would have probably understood why he's nicknamed like that.
>He's strong
Well, if he's part of the SH in the New World you can assume it, especially if the rest of his family are also good fighters.
>He's a gentleman
Nothing he couldn't have guessed or gotten from BM/Vitto, etc.
>He's a good cook
Something that BM already knows and values him for (according to Pekoms iirc).
>The flashback is as minimalistic as possible and shadowed, even in Sanji's face closeup
Now, this doesn't mean that much, but it's a bit weird that Oda would do something like this, considering the circumstances (unless he wants us to believe she was lying while in reality she wasn't).
>Their first encounter is an off-screen one
Maybe this is me wanting that their first encounter is actually shown (not even a shipper, I'm just very curious), so this is weird as shit tbqh.
>It's all too convenient
They have a safe rute now DIRECTLY into BM's island and she says that she's going to deliver Sanji to them just like that. I don't doubt that BM might actually love her family members, but I have the feeling Pudding is afraid of her (and that's actually why she would be acting like this, like Pedro implied).
I like her and actually hope she a gud grill, but I think there are many red flags tbqh.
Also Pekoms telling Luffy and the rest to fuck off the island and go back. Maybe he figured out they had met Pudding (whom he should know and understand what she's like) and wanted to warn them before leaving for God knows what reason: "Go back, it's a trap".
>>142353980
Deepest lore.
>>142354011
>Akainu
cool down until stones. smash stones
>Aokiji
heat
>Kizaru
mirrors (could be pretty funny)
>Fujitora
literaly just force, being stronger than the gravity he creates
>Ryokugyu
remains a mistery for now
>>142352598
>>142352628
>>142352739
Seastone, for every other ability it's drawback.
>>142353904
Reyleigh took Luffy to that island specifically to Teach him about Haki
Luffy was using it at Marinford and against Duvals bull anyway
Is Fujitora the strongest Admiral now?
>>142354026
Let's wait for some BTFO'd SAPUFAG to actually dispute all of this.
>>142354080
Kizaru is still in service
>>142354026
Sanji turned down Pussy, ergo, Pudding is lying
>>142354048
Nigga, wat? Akainu is Magma. He'll remain at the temperature that Magma is magma. He won't cool down under a fucking fan.
>>142349640
Every enemy Luffy has fought he has just hit them until they stayed down. Morgan, Buggy, Kuro, Krieg, Arlong. The water thing with Crocodile was clever but he only used it so he could brute force him.
Luffy's style is just 'kick their ass'.
>>142354111
I agree with the "Pudding is lying" theory, but if you really believed he was going to accept... well.
Sanji is a monumental fag in many regards, especially since the timeskip. But when it comes to his loyalty to his crew and Luffy in particular, I'd say he's one of the most loyal crewmembers, no doubt of that. Maybe not as much as Zoro, because he's not as autistic as him when it comes to "fight, fight, fight and only fight", but he truly is.
>>142354111
What if she is Big Mom herself and the huge fat bitch is a hologram or other shit related to her power?
>>142354124
Doesn't even need a fan. Whitebeard lungs are enough to cool down his magma
>inb4 Haki breath
>>142354048
Come on. Even for One Piece they sound ridiculous.
>>142353066
Yeah but we had no context to it. It was just a name. I don't mind that. It's no different than when the fat guys at Skypeia called their shit Mantra.
It's only when it was completely fleshed out and everyone from the top to bottom had it that it lost the fun. Introducing the word there was fine, it should have just slowly fed you bread crumbs until near the end to get a full picture that's what I'm trying to say.
