Can you fully appreciate anime without understanding Japanese?
is this going to be a /co/ tier dubfag thread?
>>142193510
you just need to understand the culture, not the language
Can you fully appreciate anything without being omnipotent?
No
Now start learning japanese
>>142193510
>he thinks there are people who actually understands Japanese
it's a fictional meme language from a fictional country
do you understand now?
JAPAN IS NOT REAL
>>142193510
You are no doubt going to miss things when you are not born and raised in japan.
You'd have to unambiguously define what it means to "fully appreciate" something in order to answer that question.
The question itself seems to imply an objectivity of experience in art/media that doesn't exist.
Can you fully appreciate loli without fucking a child?
Well obviously you're going to miss language based puns, but the bigger difference is going to be cultural.
England and the USA speak the same language, and there's a huge difference between TV shows that each country creates.
>>142193510
In all seriousness, no.
>>142193824
Can you fully appreciate analogies without attending English Class?
>>142193736
What if I become blood brothers with a Japanese man while training as a samurai?
>>142193510
Watching subbed is a bit like having a filter. So "fully", no.
Not that anyone can gauge how close to "fully" you can actually get with subs. If your Japanese isn't really good you might actually be losing out on watching your anime unsubbed.
That said Japanese and English are really, really incompatible. Learning Japanese increased my enjoyment of anime a lot.
Mostly >>142193642 but you miss out on some of the side materials.
How do you fully appreciate something? There are god damn shows here in burgerland that I don't even know how to 'fully appreciate'.
>>142194105
Yeah, and on those puns too. They have so many pun jokes since their language allows them to.
>>142193918
Can you fully appreciate anal without a reach-around?
>>142194132
>american "entertainment"
the only entertaining thing about american entertainment is the entertained
>>142194153
Can you fully appreciate you're waifu without eating her poop?
>>142194132
>>142193510
What he said, how do you fully appreciate anything? Is such a thing even possible? If so how would you quantify it?
Your question is meaningless.
>>142193510
It depends on the series.
WHITO PIGGU
GO HOMU
Only hentais.
>>142193642
You can't fully understand the culture if you're only exposed to it in translation
The more you watch, the more you'll enjoy it because you'll start to get a feel for the culture it's trying to represent.
>but the p-puns!
Puns are shit no matter what langauge
KISAMA
ARE YOU AN EOP OR MULTILINGUAL?
>>142194185
That's why it's called shit taste
>>142194371
Can you fully appreciate clever puns without being a filthy fucking spic?
>>142194363
Both.
So how long before someone who took a Japanese major appears and tells everyone how you can only appreciate K-ON if you learn hiragana first. Or Daiz appears and starts talking about the NATURE of TRANSLATION.
>>142194339
You can understand it through the lens of English, just like the Japanese understand it through the lens of Japanese.
Culture isn't like math. It doesn't remove ambiguities, it thrives on them. All culture is always going to be coloured by the context, experience and other characteristics of the observer.
>>142194463
When /a/ gets moonrune captchas.
Of course not.
But idiots on /a/ will still tell you you're not experiencing anime correctly when you watch a stream while they watch meme filled subs from Commie and Horriblesubs.
If you can understand an anime perfectly with the best english subs, then that anime has garbage writing. This is why Nichijou is best
>>142194463
>and tells everyone how you can only appreciate K-ON if you learn hiragana first
What?
>>142194463
>Daiz
Don't summon the fucker. I wish he stuck to typesetting instead of editing. UTW would have been much better off.
>>142194467
Understanding it through double lenses will not give you the same picture the natives have. You're limited to what has been translated and the process of translation distorts and obscures.
>>142194526
>horriblesubs
>meme subs
>>142194463
>daiz
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuWmfiR2aqE
>>142193642
If your exposure to Japanese culture is through English translated cartoons and comics then you are probably nowhere near as knowledgeable about the culture then you think you are.
Hell someone who spends a week in Japan knowing not a lick of Japanese and having never seen an anime or manga before would probably know more about Japanese culture then you at that point.
>>142194478
I fucking want this. Not for "filtering out" fags, but because the current captcha(v1 or not) are disgusting.
>>142194609
Yes. Horriblesubs are meme subs.
>>142194709
Their subs aren't memes though.
>>142194648
rekt hard
>needs to understand language to appreciate anime
You know, even Japanese don't fully appreciate it.
NOBODY FULLY APPRECIATES ANYTHING
>>142193510
>understanding the same thing ten times since they use the same tropes over and over again
gee i wonder if its even possible
>>142194728
do you fully appreciate it?
>>142195162
I HATE IT
>>142194463
As a person who took a Japanese major, I suggest that you don't learn that shit. Only N4 and I want to nuke the fuck out of them (again) already
>>142194648
This is really a rather ignorant statement.
It is all dependent on what you are watching. To give you an example closer to home. You need little to no understanding of American/Western culture to understand a show like "Ed, Edd, and Eddy". If however you were to watch something like Southpark or the Simpsons (especially later seasons) without an understanding of western/American culture, most of the material would go straight over your head.your like or dislike for any and all of these shows doesn't affect the point I am making
Not to mention that your "one week in japan" example, even as a hyperbole, is retarded. That person isn't going to understand anything, he might see a bunch of "different shit", but he isn't going to understand it.
You are also completely ignoring the fact that a lot of people who like anime have a general interest in Japan and will read up on its culture, history etc. to varying degrees. I have yet to meet a person who watches anime but has 0 interest in anything else related to Japan.
The truly ignorant are the people who revere Japanese culture as superior, plant it on a pedestal and have a bad case of "own culture" hate. The "1000 times folded steel katana best sword in the world" crowd.
>>142195185
HE HATES IT
>>142195190
>You had Japanese as your major and only made it up to N4
What the fuck, man.
>>142195190
N3 after teaching myself at home for a year. Boy am I glad I didn't do a Japanese major.
>>142195272
You can't learn languages in schools, they slow you down and then kill any enthusiasm you have.
N4 is about par for the course for a Jap major
>>142195272
Oops, dumb copy paste mistake. I meant Japanese course, as third language. Forgot to edit that before hitting enter
Why is Nipponese entertainment so superior to anything from the West though? Even their Live Actions are better than our TV series.
It's a shame most of the good Japanese stuff goes untranslated or, well, just poorly translated. That's why I've been studying Japanese the whole last year.
>>142194526
>he thinks stream sites use superior translators
You are probably watching shitty quality streams with HS or Commie subs. Unless you meant to say you are streaming from "official" streaming sites, in which case your money has my condolences.
>>142194648
That's pretty dumb, I have no clue how you can claim to know nothing about Japanese culture from watching anime unless you wipe your mind after every anime you watch, barely watch anything, or you're just plain retarded.
Surely you've learned what people say before eating a meal, or when school starts and ends in Japan at the VERY least, right? You realize that's learning about a culture right? Depending on what you watch you should also have a at least surface level knowledge on Japanese mythology and history as well from anime as well.
>>142195345
Love?
AI?
>>142195371
>Why is Nipponese entertainment so superior to anything from the West though? Even their Live Actions are better than our TV series.
Its not, you fucking shit taste weeb
Thanks to watching anime for a while (a long fucking while) I can vaguely understand what the japanese tourists in my country are talking about.
>>142195348
I know some people who major in Japanese and some of them took (and passed) N2 last year.
They also spent 1 year in Japan though, so maybe you're right.
>>142195361
I'm relieved.
>>142195573
Ah fuck, i forgot that the N-grade started at 5 and went to 1, not the other way round.
N2 is par for the course of a Jap major is what I meant to say, sorry.
>>142193510
Yes because your ears won't pick up how cartooney or fake the VAs are. You should know about their culture however.
>>142195671
It is of course distracting to look at subs and not everything on the screen, so that's bad, but I stand my my point.
>>142195371
Japanese live action acting is one of the most cringe worthy things on TV.
Every time I see it it's like they are trying to make goofy anime faces, but in love action it looks plain retarded.
>>142194648
What others said. Their literature, films and cartoons are a register of their culture. If you can't get enough second hand knowledge by that leisure exposure and reading more about topics that catch you attention you are fucking hopeless.
Visiting a place means shit if you don't have a open mind or if you can't visit the right places. At that point you won't really get shit about their culture, just reaffirm some stereotypes because you are filtering it trough a very limited perspective. You'll learn about their routine at best.
>>142195550
I was on the train once and a Japanese lady fell and when I helped her up she said daijoubu.
>>142195671
Is it really so bad for a voice in a cartoon to sound cartooney?
Besides Japanese people make do quite well with it, I don't really see any Japs complaining about their voices.
>>142195371
I wouldn't go that far. They have some good films, but their tv output isn't really great for most part.
>>142195348
So much this. I will never understand why people hand out oodles of cash to learn a language. Unless the course you are doing is a culture/history study of a particular nation it really isn't worth it. Especially the above average internet "savvy" crowd that frequents 4chan. If you can find 4chan, you should have no problem being able to find otherwise expensive learning materials for "free".
For instance Assimil French is easy to come by from various sources and you will be able to understand and speak the language within a year with that. Will you be native at that point? Probably not, but is that really needed?
Same goes for Japanese, loads of courses to be found online (also from Assimil btw) that allow you to learn it at home.
No one can "fully" appreciate anything, we don't have perfect eyes to see all the colors. We don't have the perfect ears to hear all the discreet noises. We don't have a perfect brain to discern and enjoy anything. This is just 3 parts of our body too. If you include hardware limitations, the perfection would not be seen for lightyears ahead. With hardware not showing full colors, with hardware not processing perfect upscales, with hardware not processing perfect sound, quality, etc
Its impossible to fully appreciate anything. The best we can do is what we can make of it. With so many different variables in between a perfect anime fulfilment and yourself, the difference is negligible between reading subs and understanding native.
>>142193510
>fully
No. Simple as that.
>>142194259
I watched Joshiraku and dropped it because most of the humor was clearly being lost in the translation and in my ignorance. Then I learned Japanese and rewatched Joshiraku only to drop it again because most of the humor was clearly being lost in my ignorance.
>>142195573
N2 is shit. You literally can't read a common LN aimed at middle schoolers unassisted of N2 is the best you can do.
>>142195777
Isn't this grounded in the way traditional nip theater works, which is all about exaggeration?
>>142196026
*if N2 is the best you can do.
>>142196033
It's grounded in them not hiring based on acting talent
>>142196002
You had a hard te understanding the jokes in Joshiraku? I don't remember anything too obscure. Maybe it's because I can't get enough of Peter Barakan's sweet voice.
>>142196026
Why do you spout factually wrong statements? This is an honest question. Why do you do it? No matter what way I look at it, I don't see what you stand to gain from it. Are the (you)'s really that valuable?
>>142196002
Gotta use them notes man.
notredrevie(dot)ws/2012/07/09/joshiraku-01-notes-and-the-like/
>>142193510
You don't need dubs or subs to fap to them.
>>142196026
N2 is second highest not second lowest anon, maybe you're confused. You need to know upwards of 5000 kanji to pass your N2 and it takes 3-5 years of self learning, so I hear.
>>142196122
It's true though. A person with just N2 will get stuck on the grammar and the vocabulary countless times just to read a simple LN. He'll make it through, but so would an N5 given enough time and patience. N2 is pretty shitty by all standards.
>>142196181
>You need to know upwards of 5000 kanji to pass your N2
>>142196201
You could have just said "yes, the (you)'s are really that important to me", it would have oiled down to the same thing.
>>142195371
>Why is Nipponese entertainment so superior to anything from the West though?
Because the Nipponese are gods at human drama, to the point that I think the west has a huge lack of emotions and empathy.
>>142196181
>You need to know upwards of 5000 kanji to pass your N2
is this bait?
>>142196033
Might be, but that doesn't make it look less retarded.
Any attempt at seriousness gets thrown out the Window, and the comedy only feels forced.
>>142196237
Sorry anon, 2000, my mistake.
>>142196247
Anon, if you can't even get N1 there's absolutely no way you'll be reading anything without constantly consulting dictionaries or something equivalent. It's just a fact. You can deny it if you want, but the numbers don't lie. You can read, but you can't read unassisted. If you could, N2 would be a breeze.
>>142196357
>>142196201
>>142196026
Source? Your ass?
>>142196357
Are you trolling with this because the mod is deleting more genuine attempts at trolling?
I might agree with you if you were talking about actual novels, but LN's? That's like saying an ESL couldn't read Goosebumps without consulting a dictionary every other sentence.
>>142195777
Japan will always be the genki retard while the west is a deadpan kuu. Pick your poison.
>>142195332
This.
I tell people to self-learning instead of taking shitty slow-paced classes and doing the bare minimum work each day when taking classes. The insist that the class will somehow motivate them to work on their own, but most people just give up or lose motivation after learning in such a tedious way.
>>142195502
I know someone who browses here who claims to know nothing about the culture or language even after watching around 100 anime and seasonal shit for 2 years, and gets mad when I assume he does. People can be pretty close-minded.
>>142196434
Just compare the number of words required for N2 and the average number of different words in some random LN. I don't remember the numbers by head, but it's something like a 1:4 proportion.
>>142196476
I'm being dead serious. JLPT does not test for fluency of any sort, only basic competency. Can you read Japanese and do you have an N2 or higher degree?
>>142196026
You can't do it with N1 either. They're bad measurements for how well you can enjoy content. It's just a gaijin Japanese test that Japanese people generally don't even know about. I'll never take that shit in my life.
>>142196584
Anon you can watch for 6 years and not know shit. I know one casualfag who doesn't know what a tsundere is.
>ITT weebs who don't know Japanese and have never been to Japan asserting they are even remotely fluent about Japanese culture
>>142195671
Anyone who follows idolshit or variety shows can tell you that Japanese spoken by average people sounds exactly that, average. Compared to that, seiyuu are lightyears ahead in pronounciation and intonation.
Even most anons who watched Nazo no Kanojo X could tell that Urabe sounded different from usual seiyuu, though ironically many people liked her "exoticness" while in reality she had the most generic 3DPD voice ever.
Also, no fucking body complains about the same thing in western cartoons.
>this guy says D'OH! way too much
>this baby talks like an adult
>this hooded boy doesn't speak properly
>>142194648
Told
>>142196765
>>this hooded boy doesn't speak properly
What's this one?
>>142196828
South Park dumbass. Dont even watch the shit and I know that.
>>142196828
you bastard?
>>142196584
That can easily happen if all he watches is Commie.
>>142196591
I taught myself Japanese and worked in Japan for 5 years. I never bothered with JLPT, the only circumstance I would have taken it is if my employer had insisted on it.
That being said I still can't believe N2 level isn't enough to read a shitty LN. LN's are piss easy, you can even get them with furigana allowing for sloppy kanji knowledge.
Put it this way, if N2 isn't enough to read a shitty LN, what IS it good for?
>>142196434
The JLPT is based solely on a specific set of Grammar and Vocabulary. A lot of this doesn't have a large overlap with what you'll read in LNs or VNs, and you can "know" all the N2 or even N1 grammar, but not comprehend the type of slang and vocab used in an LN. If a VN is anything to go by, you're going to need over 10,000 words to know everything, but a good 1500-2000 of the words will put you at a 90% comprehension rate. However, only a few hundred of the most common words in an LN or a VN will be N-level vocabulary, because the vocabulary is more based on newspaper vocab and other generalized metrics that aren't going to pertain to an LN or VN.
The JLPT is just a really arbitrary way of seeing how good you are, because it doesn't account for being able to understand new words or get into that much slang or double meanings. You have to learn Grammar and Vocabulary that's specifically from a list, and thus you will know what will be tested. It's not an organic piece of fiction with dialogue and narration that you have to understand. It's just an arbitrary test with arbitrary words.
That being said, you could ignore the N-level completely, learn on your own, and learn a lot of vocab and grammar from reading content. And then if you manage to pass the N-level exams just by getting vocab and grammar from content you're enjoying, without making a conscious effort of doing N-level prep, then maaaaaaaybe you can understand an LN.
The only metric for whether or not you can read an LN is if you can actually read it.
>>142196950
>>142196957
Well shit, I haven't watched South Park in like 3 years now.
>>142195371
>Even their Live Actions are better than our TV series.
This is where i stopped reading.
Japs live actions are so fucking garbage even the fucking gooks put put better drama.
>>142196998
>what IS it good for?
Nothing in my opinion. Anything short of N1 is just a document proving your Japanese is still bellow functional levels.
ITT
The "japanese so hard" meme.
I swear it is because this site is frequented mostly by Americans that this meme is so persistent. People who haven't mastered their own language, history or geography, let alone entertain the thought of doing so for those of another country.
>142197354
I'm not falling for this bait
@142197354
thought you were going to get some (you)'s didn't you?
>>142196691
I watched over a thousand hours of anime senpai, get on my level.
>>142196476
Now this is retarded. To begin with, LNs are a kind of novel, and their authors are referred to as novelists in Japanese. And the notion that all LNs are intended for middle and high schoolers is about a decade out-of-date. There are plenty of contemporary series that are very much so intended for adults; there are even R-18 LNs.
And, vitally, even with series that are intended for students, the Japanese concept of reading level rarely takes grammar into account. As long as a work uses low-level kanji or had furigana, it's considered to be at a student reading level, regardless of how complex the subject matter or colloquial the grammar.
In short, for someone learning Japanese and looking for an easy title, I would recommend a traditional novel like Norwegian Wood over most LNs any day.
>>142195103
>horriblesubs
>>142197310
So how does the anon in this thread do a Japanese major and only obtain N4. You make it sound like you would have to be mentally challenged to excuse that.
In fact, you make it sound like I could obtain N4 within a month by simply cramming the required knowledge and ignoring everything else. I.e. only learning the vocab and grammar that will be tested for N4 consisting of N words and grammar XYZ.
>>142197082
I think you're missing the biggest point being that if someone learns Japanese to read LNs then even if they are following the JLPT when they go to read them (which they will try long before they are N2) then they will get a sense of the differences there and learn what they need to as they go.
Nobody is going to get their N1 before trying to read a single Japanese book and exposing themselves to real Japanese in different contexts (reading, listening etc).
Anyone who watches anime and learns picks up words from that before they learn them in their studies, it would be unheard of not to have any real expose to Japanese while learning it, even through the JLPT list.
>>142197541
>Japanese major
There's his problem. You are assuming that just because he has a major he actually had to learn a lot of Japanese.
>In fact, you make it sound like I could obtain N4 within a month by simply cramming the required knowledge and ignoring everything else
I would completely agree with that statement indeed. In fact, I would go as far as conjecturing that, with enough autism, N3 is pretty feasible in a month.
>>142197509
You are a store that sells embarrassment.
>>142193510
I feel no. As I learn Japanese I discover many quirks of the Japanese language that can't really be conveyed well into English, like the politeness levels of a sentence, or how certain ways to word sentences are considered more feminine or masculine (no, that shit is not limited to the choice 1st person pronouns).
>>142194463
The one anime I can immediately think of is Hyouka. That show made heavy use of Kanji imagery that's kinda hard to translate because it visually blends into scenes.
>>142197654
180000 years?
>>142197654
恥ずかしがり屋はそういう意味じゃないよ
>>142193510
>Can you fully appreciate anime without understanding Japanese?
Of course, you can. After all, the best animes are dubbed. It's the shit that can't even sell 10000 copies in its own country that stays obscure.
>>142197522
The real problem is that 90% of this board couldn't read a "high level" English book. The notion that these people could read even the most elementary moonrune book is the actual retarded aspect.
I tried to get a friend of mine to read an English translation of Umberto Echo's The Name of the Rose. He dropped it not even 50 pages in lamenting the "old fashioned difficult language" being used, this guy is 24. That sort of person is never going to master another language. It isn't even because of his inability to understand "complicated" English, it has more to do with his unwillingness to even attempt to learn it.
>>142197634
Yeah, no. Stop being a fucking retard.
why does most "good art" of "anime" done by gaijin near always have a hint of western style that can make it 3dpd levels of disgusting?
>>142197713
An increase of 180,000 foreign students this year.
>>142197773
Your replies are always so enlightening. I find myself at a loss for words.
>>142193510
No, but you aren't missing out on that much.
>>142197787
No no, he has watched 180 000 years of anime, I'm sure of this translation.
>>142197654
fucking ouiabou
>>142197790
Liar. You found 14 of them just now.
>>142197774
>"good art" of "anime" done by gaijin
What the hell are you talking about?
>>142197833
You got me again.
やれやれだぜ
>>142197713
more than 180000 international students in one year
>>142197960
oh that should be an increase of
>>142197679
>like the politeness levels of a sentence
This is a pretty big thing. I once watched a series in which different people were addressing the same person with varying levels of formality. Then one ep a character comes in and breaks this etiquette and talks to her in the most street way possible.
All this went over my head the first time I watched it, and I just assumed everyone in the show was equal to each other and that they also considered themselves equal to each other. It was only after I learned some basic Japanese and rewatched the show that the nuances in the different relationships became clear and with that a subtly but distinct hierarchy in the group of characters.
>>142197846
random crap that gets highly viewed on a booru with ratings at times
>>142197822
Nah, he's a tourist from the anime world, which he has lived in for 180,000 years. Note his backpack containing the fourth dimension and the sign of a true anime resident, the anime girl t-shirt.
>>142198057
Oh, you mean fanart. The "anime by gaijin" bit threw me off.
>>142197654
They're interviewing that anime girl about the giant gaijin she's carrying on her back.
Learn to read moon, faggots
Can you fully appreciate a shitposting thread without getting dubs?
>>142197820
i wonder if the original panel literally used that
>>142193510
can the japanese even?
>>142197310
>Anything short of N1 is just a document proving your Japanese is still bellow functional levels.
N1 holder here. Agree, as you said it's a badge of basic competency.
>>142193510
The whole of Japan is pure invention - Oscar Wilde
>>142198985
>it's a badge of basic competency
This just translates to "worthless".
>>142199250
It shows if your Japanese is beyond worthless or not ;^)
I know I am missing a bit due to not understanding the puns, dialects, certain plot points getting lost in translation, being ignorant of their culture, ect.
I only know English and some basic Spanish. I would love to learn Japanese; not for anime but just to know it.
Right now I'm not sure if I have the time since I'm very busy trying to master several different programming languages.
>>142193510
Understanding Japanese puts you well on your way to realizing how shit anime is.
That's why you read manga.
God I hope so because if there is no secret language raffinesse in the dialogues most are really fucking stupid
>>142194467
Found the best post.
>>142198985
I'd maybe say that it proves just a little bit more, but it's maybe better to phrase it your way.
I hate the "oh my god you passed N1 you're soooo good at Japanese" meme.
>>142193510
if you go full autism, read everything about japan, learn its history, its food, its places, its traditions and just a tiny bit of the language, then yes you can
>>142195371
>That's why I've been studying Japanese the whole last year
Stopped reading there.
>>142197354
I agree with this. As an American it so hard to find people who fully grasp the English language. People here don't understand how grammar even works to be quite honest. We are just not taught in schools. We just know it. Same with geography and our history. What we know is what we know. That is that. I met a guy once who could not even name a state besides the one he lived in.
We are a massive nation, fully of stupid but confident people.
>>142193510
No.
Popularizing anime to the west is a mistake. Now that capekino era is soon to be over, Hollywoods and SJW are gonna latch on anime.
Fuck whitey.
Keit-ai will find a way regardless.
>>142196584
>>142196667
>casualfags
there's your problem
>>142200589
After I become rich, this will be the first thing I do.
>>142197654
pink text says japans history is really omoshiroi in case anyone was wondering
https://webm.lol/v/1z6f0b0767
What is there to appreciate in the first place?
>>142202609
Is this nigga serious
>>142193510
I watch anime because it's animation and not because it's japanese.
>>142193510
Obviously not. It's the same with translated literature. The cultural context is different, the language is conducive to different ways of thinking, and translation is never going to fully capture these in the sense a native would experience them.
Does this mean you should shy away from them (or just any sort of translated material in general)? I don't think so. Being receptive to different, foreign ideas and partaking in cultural exchange is progress.
I've always Wondered if not knowing the language but being used to the sound of it helps. I cant remember a single time where I thought a line was delivered badly (except for shit like ova Dio), and I dont believe all seiyuu are that perfect. Do nips complain about shit like jap dubs or just bad voice acting in anime like most people on this side of the planet think dubs are shit?
>>142204108
Germans don't complain about their dubs, but then again they dub everything so the industry is geared towards it. Anglos really only dub anime, which in the west is still en large viewed as "shit for kids" an gets treated as such.
Anglo dubbing is atrocious when compared to German dubbing.
Source: A Brit/German living in Holland.
No, but at the same time the cost of learning Japanese is outweighed by its uselessness.
>>142193830
>Well obviously you're going to miss language based puns
Which is 90% of Japanese humor.
>>142204707
Whatever you have to tell yourself to sleep at night.
>>142204707
>cost
What cost? It is free. If you spent 15 minutes a day on a language for 10 years, you will have spent 900 hours on it in total. A second language taught in high school barely reaches 900 hours of coverage. If you spend more time on it than a measly 15 minutes/day you can learn it in far less time.
Uselessness is relative. I have been to japan for 2 weeks on holiday and the frustration of not being able to speak the language is unbearable. I am planning on going back for the Kyoto Olympics + comiket @2020, this time I will be very proficient in Japanese. I am even considering quite seriously to move there an work in the medical field, which is what my qualifications are in.
>>142205225
He means the hour he might have to spend a day is way too much for him, it might cut down on his time spend mindlessly browsing 4chan for threads to shitpost in.
>>142205369
Well that is next level retarded then. There isn't a skill on earth that can be learned without time being invested. I bet he believes Slash one day picked up a guitar and was magically amazing at it, instead of spending 8+hours a day for over 10 years playing the damn thing before getting where he got.
>>142193510
Leaving out the fact that a large percentage of the younger generations nowadays understand basic to intermediate (if not advanced) english, you think non-english speakers can fully appreciate media from english-speaking countries without understanding english?
>>142205225
>Kyoto Olympics
>>142205225
The cost is the time investment you colossal idiot.
>>142206709
Oh, I dunno why I said Kyoto, probably because that is one of the places I went to see last time I was in Japan. Beautiful city mind you, not that I would advise anyone to go see it (or any other place in Japan) if they don't into moon.
>>142206871
Ya, because the time he has invested in this place clearly show he is a person with no time to waste. All his time is precious and learning a new language is going to take away time he might have been able to spend here.
>>142206994
I've been there. From what I know, Japan is getting more tourist friendly.
>>142207073
Oh, I didn't mean to imply they were unfriendly, quite the contrary. Mr baka gajin showing interest in their city of the year every year seemed to instill a sense of pride in the people I met. I met 1 Japanese person who could communicate in English with me in Kyoto, and all he did was inquire as to what places I had and had not already seen, advising me on what to go see next etc.. the guy was excited by western standards, let alone Japanese standards.
All I meant to say is that without some basic moonerune understanding, visiting Japan/Asia it is the closest you are going to get to being deaf and mute without actually having to impair yourself.
>>142196765
>no fucking body complains about the same thing in western cartoons
Yes, just like the Japanese don't complain about anime VAs, the west doesn't complain about western cartoon VAs.
But I will complain about an anime dub VA. All the girls sound fake and all the guys sound fake too.
Can you fully appreciate websites without knowing HTML?
>>142209641
Of course not. You can't appreciate good web design of you have no idea how coding works.
>>142209726
Web design is only one aspect of websites, though. The same counts for anime, you're able to appreciate one more aspect of it if you understand Japanese, but it doesn't mean you can't appreciate it nonetheless. Now, if you want to get semantic and say that he specifically said "fully", then I don't think that's ever possible. What if someone skipped their mother's funeral to work on one episode? If you were aware of that you'd surely appreciate that episode more, or at least, some would. So with things like that in mind, it's not possible to "fully" appreciate anything.
>>142209842
>The same counts for anime, you're able to appreciate one more aspect of it if you understand Japanese, but it doesn't mean you can't appreciate it nonetheless.
The question was whether you can appreciate it fully. If one aspect is beyond your reach then you can't appreciate it fully.
>>142210184
Did you stop reading the second part of my post? You did exactly what I just addressed.
>>142193510
無理、アホ。ちゃんとアニメの文化分りたいのなら、やるしかない
>>142193510
I enjoyed anime a lot more before I knew Japanese.
