Intellectual deconstruction or pretentious edge?Also please don't Asuka/Reifag too hard
>>142075013
>needing someone else to decide for you
Looks like you missed the point
>>142075824
I just wanted to know some other people's consensus. Don't be a faggot and assume shit, I have my opinion and I just want others.
Neither of those. Its just a great anime.
if you don't understand it, its pretentious, if you do understand it, its intellectual
>>142075013
Not sure about either but it's pretty enjoyable/unique experience and we're still talking about it a lot years later so that has to count for something
Evangelion is pretentious. Monogatari is a much better anime.
>>142079608
Actually, it's like this:
- If there are more female primary characters than male, and the females are cute, it's intellectual;
- If there are more male primary characters than female, it's pretentious.
>>142075013
What happens after the end of evangelion?
Asuka best grill
>>142082064
^ agreed
>Intellectual deconstruction or pretentious edge?
Neither?
>>142082025
3.33
>>142083363
Manga>[NGE(1.11>2.22)>EoE]>3.33>3+1<1.11
>>142083363
>Manga
>best
Is that really true? I never read it.
>>142083843
I mean chronology sequence but I'd choose that order for the best though.
>>142083742
This is some advanced fanwank
>>142084014
So the manga takes place before the events of NGE?
>>142075013
I'm gonna go for pretentious yet intellectual deconstruction
Not really edgy though
>>142084601
Make sense anyway.
Which is more pretentious: GitS or Evangelion?
![rsEGYht[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/L4VaQnZ.jpg "rsEGYht[1].jpg")
>>142084864
No, pretty much 1.11.
>>142083742
>>142085067
>>142084864
>>142085267
NGE>EoE>Manga>1.11>2.22>3.33>3+1<1.11*
THIS just make sense.
>>142085127
Ergo Proxy
It's a more along the lines of being a pretentious show for pseudo intellectuals.
Eva can be accurately summed up as "baby's first symbolism." It's not nearly as deep as Evafags would have you believe nor is it as good as most on /a/ would have you believe. It's merely okay. Not complete shit but not anything to write home about.
>>142085480
NGE>EoE>Manga>1.11>2.22>[3(>3.33)+1]>1.11**
ANNOOOOOO.
>>142085576
fuck off already
Reminder that Neon Genesis Evangelion is just an autistic worse version of Mobile Suit Gundam and Space Runaway Ideon. Anyone who says it is a "deconstruction" has only seen less than 10 other animes, all of which were made after 2000. Everything that Evangelion is known for was done better 15 years earlier by the master Tomino. The only reason Eva became popular is because it pandered more to pervert pedophiles (most anime fans, especially /a/.) Evangelion is the go-to anime for newfag plebs. They say it has "deep" characters but they really only like it because the 14 year olds show a lot of skin. A big difference between Gundam and Eva is that 0079 has one of the best endings in anime history and Evangelion has not one, but two of the worst.
>>142085653
Are you sure you're not projecting? I'm currently watching 0079 and I don't see why I can't like both.
That's like saying you can't make a movie about humanoid robots because Terminator already exists.
>>142085634
#REKT
>>142085653
why would they watch 14 year olds when the could watch lolis?
>>142085777
baiting this hard
>>142085653
Tomino can't direct a scene to save his life and he doesn't understand human people. Conversely, Anno is a ridiculously skillful film-maker who can carry himself out of any potential flaw purely on the power of his directing and the depiction of real human struggles in the show is among the best in the medium.
The whole deconstruction angle or whether EVA was "the first to do X thing" is completely irrelevant when it comes to quality.
>>142085915
>someone has a different opinion
>it has to be bait there's no other conclusion
>>142086026
>#REKT
>its not bait guise i promise
>opinions
opinions dont matter, get the fuck out of the thread if you dont like it
>>142082064
>>142082214
Superior taste anontachi
>>142086139
You seem to be the only one who has a problem with opinions guy. It's not like it's what the thread was about or anything.
True? Y/N
>>142085777Check'd
>>142085579
What does 3(>3.33) even mean?
>>142086587
Anno has big ears.
>>142086756
He's a reincarnation of the Buddha
>>142086756
UU
UU
>>142086756
Now we must shout into those big ears of his that he needs to hurry up and make 4.44
>>142086688
>>142086688
[3(>3.33)+1]
3(*)+1=3+1
3 is events after 2.22 and +1 after 3.33.
>>142086756
For me.
>>142075013
Can it be both at the same time?
>>142086812
(UU)^2
>>142086856
U2+U2
>>142075013
I gave this show a try last month for the first time. Honestly, I wasn't a fan. It wasn't an "edgy" thing... it was just kinda boring how the plot never really seemed to come to fruition.Like, every episode had the potential of a really neat (though unintentionally so I've read) backstory but never really delved into anything but the surface.
Then at the end they were just like "Never-mind, here's some stupid psychedelic shit". It was quite the let down.
The movie didn't really add much else either besides bring me to the realization that they just didn't develop any of the characters or their relationships with one another.
>>142085981
this, holy fuck anno is good
>>142086959
(+ U U U U)
>>142087001
Oh my god i just remembered that anno is doing Godzilla
When will it be available in non-camrip with subs in the US i wonder
>>142086587
Anno/Lucas is spot on. Including Kojima's a bit unfair, but probably the most fitting choice.
>>142086856
>>142086926
>>142086959
>>142087014
sqrt(16) x U
>>142087057
I would pay shekels to watch it in theaters. Is it going to be a big Godzilla film? Will it be shown internationally?
I'm still rustled that he postponed 4.44 for this.
>>142087006
>>142087014>>142087097
#include stdio.h
int main {
for(u=0;u<5;u++) {
printf("U");
if(U==1) printf("\n");
}
return 0;
}
>>142087228
>THIS is why 4.44 was postponed
>it won't even be shown outside of Japan
>>142087239
>int main
>return 0
>not void main
>>142087228
>implying burger theaters would show a Japanese movie
>implying burger theaters would commit the mistake of showing a Japanese Godzilla movie again after the first flop
>implying burger theaters would show a Japanese Godzilla movie when there is a local burger Godzilla and it might confuse the normalfags
And even if they did how are you going to bypass the no singles policy?
>>142087257
#include <stdio.h>
int main() {
int u;
for(u=0;u<4;u++) {
printf("U");
if(u==1) printf("\n");
}
return 0;
}
>>142087228
What I read is that he had writer's block for 4.0 and didn't know what to do, so he took up the Godzilla project to refresh himself or something
>>142087239
>for(u = 0; u < 5; u++)
You realize this will print 5 U's, right? You fucked up.
>>142087257
>void main
I'm not reached there.
Care to explain?
>>142086944
>they just didn't develop any of the characters or their relationships with one another
wat
you sure you watched the right show
>>142087364
The function doesn't need to return anything because its just printing out 5 U's.
>>142087359
I fixed here >>142087323
programmers are autists
>mfw fags code around me and don't use hungarian notation
"YIKES"
>>142087239
>>142087257
>>142087323
>>142087359
>>142087364
>Its a anon tries to get a 4 but fails episode.
Watch this, check my 4 ill get it 4 u
>>142087397
Why my professor always do that?
>>142075013
It's my waking nightmare, and it tells me the way to kill it. I will always have gratitude for this thing
>>142087427
>4
>10
>3
>413
HUUUUSSSSSSSIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIE
>>142087376
I'm all ears to hear how.
Yeah, they made some pseudo attempt to make it a coming of age story for the main protagonist... but it really didn't extend past his daddy issues.
Between the other characters, it was all relatively flat. The red head was a fiesty lady, the blue head was a cold lady, the darker blue head was a motherly lady. And they way they reacted to one another remained constant. And that was it. There was virtually no change in the mold throughout the entire show.
Basically, I'm saying the characters could all be summed up in one word and it wouldn't begin to be inaccurate. There was nothing more to them.
>>142086944
>Like, every episode had the potential of a really neat (though unintentionally so I've read) backstory but never really delved into anything but the surface.
Show's one of my favorites and I believe this.
>>142088306
I won't bother. This is like a 12 year old kid who doesn't know what a function is asking me to lay out integration for him.
Read up on the many material that exists around the web, or maybe just rewatch the show.
>>142088306
>I'm all ears
So is Anno.
see
>>142086587
>>142088306
I think that is a pretty big understatement. Sounds like you are biased against Eva.
Its more than a "coming of age story". Its more of a "just fuck my shit up" story. Every character gets fucked over some how and everyone just asks to serve their own interests.
I think it captured human nature pretty well. Every main character seems to represent some sort of personality disorder too.
>>142088319
What did you expect? For Anno to drag the story on for another 26 episodes just to cover all the back story?
>>142076316
Lurk more, or look up the archive. Variants of this thread are made everyday.
>>142088816
Nah, it is effective in its own way. The protagonist is a kid born after the disasters and wars and he grew up in a bubble, he doesn't have any impression of the world or what it used to be like. He even seems bored by it when it comes up.
>>142088816
People who get caught in "where are the ANGELS COMING FROM" likely missed the point.
>>142082064
Hey moot.
>>142091332
Does he really think shes the best girl? Maybe he isn't as much of a faggot as I originally thought.
>>142087330
Well when you write yourself into a corner like he did with 3.33, then it's easy to see why it's taking so damn long to get the 4th one out
>>142088775
I don't understand that logic. Of fucking course I'm biased against Eva. I watched the thing in it's entirety and found it lacking.If we want to count that as bias anyhow.
I'm not going to argue against the "capturing of human nature" since it half assedly attempted to do so in a very simplified manner. My only point is that the PLOT could have been way better if they actually expanded on the various beings that came to Earth (Lilith and Adam) and actually developed ANY of the characters beside the protagonist who remained flat throughout every episode.
>>142088361
Re-watching that show would be me condemning hours of my life to torturous boredom for a second coming.
Also, I did read the wiki about the show before watching it. The wiki was actually pretty neat - because it took what little substance there was in the show and put it all in once place.
But again, little substance.
>>142092612
I don't understand how you can think the characters remained flat. I'm almost sure that you didn't actually watch the episodes and just put the dub as background noise while you played SRW or something.
Like there are 180° changes in outward attitude and worldview for almost all the main ones as their hopes get crushed and they descend into a downward slope of madness and self-loathing (except Rei who is the sole character who genuinely grows and becomes more positive during the TV show)
>>142093166
IDK Anon this sort of thing just doesn't resonate with people like him.
>>142092709
He's not suggesting you read the wiki, he's suggesting you read/watch a critical analysis of the show.
>>142075013
>deconstruction
stop
pleeeeeease
I'm going to resurrect Derrida so he can sodomize you with his pipe until you stop raping this word.
>>142094872
>raping
The term was an abortion to begin with. Derrida's Of Grammatology is a completely worthless text with nothing of value to offer that is just latched onto by clueless NA posmodern lit crits who are completely familiar with French, Derrida or his influences.
The original word literally doesn't mean anything. It's just embarrassing wank.
>>142094909
>le postmodernism sucks meme
F*ckin epic
>>142094941
Post modernism is literally trash.
>>142095024
Literary trash, anon. Always literary
>>142075013
>edge
This meme is really getting out of control
>>142087456
Because a normal programm i supposed to return a status code. 0 if everything worked well an superior to 0 if something was wrong.
Incidentally, if we go back to the place Derrida took his little word from - Heidegger, you will probably find that the usual, everyday usage of "deconstruction" in fandom is in fact not all that divorced or disconnected from the original intention of the idea:
>Tradition takes what has come down to us and delivers it over to self-evidence; it blocks our access to those primordial 'sources' from which the categories and concepts handed down to us have been in part quite genuinely drawn. Indeed it makes us forget that they have had such an origin, and makes us suppose that the necessity of going back to these sources is something which we need not even understand
>If the question of Being is to have its own history made transparent, then this hardened tradition must be loosened up, and the concealments which it has brought about dissolved
>it has nothing to do with a vicious relativizing of ontological standpoints ... We must, on the contrary, stake out the positive possibilities of that tradition, and this means keeping it within its limits
>On its negative side, this destruction does not relate itself toward the past; its criticism is aimed at 'today' and at the prevalent way of treating the history of ontology
You don't even have to read the actual texts, you can find this stuff in wikipedia. It's a trivial exercise, then, to simply consider the creative works that are to be "deconstruction" as literary/ontological criticism themselves.
ITT: people who don't understand Eva.
NgE is not about the story, the Christian symbolism or being deep, eva is all about the characters. It has one of the best cast of characters ever put to screen, and the show does a wonderful job, analyzing, developing and deconstructing them. Eva is not about the mecha battles or the waifus, it's about the difficulties of human communication. Anno wrote stuff he was familiar with, he had Asperger's syndrome and that aspect of his personality can be seen in all of his characters. What makes his characters so special is how personal they are to him, and that's why they are so well written. I know psychology and i have studied autism/Asperger's, and I can tell you all right now that Anno is a genius at writing such characters.
>>142095272
>he had Asperger's syndrome
>had
Did his autism go away? I suppose that's why /a/ loves Eva so much, because we're all autistic as fuck and can related to them easily.
>>142095374
>>he had Asperger's syndrome
>>had
It looks like the only illness Anno has now is chronicgreed.
>>142085653
i hope this is bait
>>142095078
>Because a normal program i supposed to return a status code.
Sorry for the /g/ intermezzo, but every main function must return upon completition, that's just how C works.
The thing that happens when you make void main is that the compiler re-writes it to return 0 for you and you simply throw away the ability to return error codes (which can be anything but 0, -1 is just as good as 1).
The reason why it needs to return a number is because the kernel calls your program with another function which only accepts int.
So your main is called as void exit(main()) where void exit(int status), therefore passing in void main() would cause a compilation error.
>>142095272
>he had Asperger's syndrome
?
He had/has clinical depression. That's what Shinji has and the depiction of such is what a lot of the series is based around, even though there are other equally important elements.
>>142095078
>>142095678
Kek my bad faggots, I haven't worked with C for years(besides the couple days spent on the topic in class).
I could have sworn it was possible to do void main though.
>>142095727
you can have asperger's as your main illness, and still go in and out of depression through your entire life.
>>142095727
Yeah that is why his character's issues seem so real, it is based on his real life experiences.
>>142085653
Fag made G-Rectum, so he's a hack now
>>142095678
Isn't the error code an unsigned char? (Or something on 1 byte).
If I return a -1, I get an underflow.
>>142075013
It's fucking fantastic. The greatest action movie of all time.
>>142095272
Too right.
The "sci-fi"/deep story elements run along side and are developed in depth in other NGE media if you're really interested in that, but the show is really a brilliant character study/deconstruction.the final two episodes were brilliant and easily the best part of the original series
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysRIwlEBjuw
I'm not sure what the movie will be (there is always opportunity to masturbate to aesthetics, as with Cutey Honey live action), but still:
Sasuga, Anno-san!
>>142083742
3+1 isn't even out yet you fucking weeb
>>142085653
I am currently watching 0079. Shinji and Ray are really similar. Ray goes trough all the same beats as Shinji (not wanting to fight, acting like whiny emo, running away). But Shinji is better written and his problems are analysed throughout the show.
Tomino might have done it first (emphasis on might) but Anno did it better.
>>142085067
> streamfags have become so careless they post their shit in Eva threads
>>142095024
literary trash
>>142095024
> impying that option was not considered by the artist as one of the effects of the work
You all are so scared of complexities. “There must be only one exclusive explanation” is an idea that was criticized even in ancient times.
>>142096622
>quid est quod fuit ipsum quod futurum est quid est quod factum est ipsum quod fiendum est
>>142096317
I dislike that, at large, the two final episodes are always conflated into just one indivisible thing.
Really, 26 is very different to 25 (and much better, imo). 25 is clearly the absolute lowest point of the production, not just in terms of the drawings but in terms of fleshing out how the episode was going to play out. It was an extended sequence in the vein of the previous episodes, but they were a bit fidgety about delving knee-deep into the characters' inner worlds and felt the need to sprinkle it with snapshots of the outside world, EoE pre-references and other stuff that just doesn't fit with the general approach. It's also not all that interesting visually in terms of representing a stream of thought.
26, on the other hand. Ah, that was a masterpiece.
>>142075013
It is an intelligent, emotionally striking and beautiful show, but it's not a deconstruction.
>>142096447
What?
>>142096328
>the tanks
Annoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
>>142085653
Evangelion shit all over MSG and especially Ideon. In fact, most of its japanese influences are pretty bad like Ultraman and Devilman. Nowadays their only significant value is historical, because of how influential they were. Only thing still worth watching nowadays for reasons outside of those are films by Kihachi Okamoto which were a big inspiration on Anno.
>>142075013
"Deconstruction" is a term begun by 1960s literary critics who were actual Communists. It's high time we retired it.
Intellectual exploration of ontology and existentialism. Very bad cartoon though.
>>142097194
No, 'cause it's useful for literary analysis. Don't bring your politics into this.
>>142097118
I remember reading somewhere that the animators were so pressed for money they used show as a way to express the insanity in making the show.
On one level it was literally a Max Brooks movie
>>142097198
How is it a very bad cartoon?
There's not a mecha show where the battles feel more phyisical and palpable than Evangelion. 01's scene in 19 still gives me chills just thinking about it. It managed to do something that most people in animation have always thought to be impossible
>>142097223
*Mel Brooks oops
>>142097214We're talking about the same ilk who thought architectural planning could influence the proletariat's thought patterns. The less we borrow from them, the better.
I think this is what people mean when they call Eva a deconstruction.
>>142086944
>>142088306
>>142092612
Dude, I'm totally with you on this. I've had discussions here with Eva fans, and they'll begrudgingly admit that Eva's characters aren't any deeper than your average anime, but not without great pain.
The feeling of ending each episode dissatisfied is something I share with you, and it's how I've always felt about the series. As far as I can tell, the characters really do not have any particularly complex or coherent thought process guiding their actions. Gendo is a particularly egregious example, you spent the entire series with him as a powerful enigma, wondering if there is are deeper motives or conflicts within his mind that causes him to make the choices he does. In the end, no, he apparently doesn't, and we are simply shown that he was single-mindedly in love with Yui and otherwise would rather avoid contemplating the effect his actions would have on anyone else. This could be not the case, but there's no real indication otherwise that there's reason to believe a more involved character was intended. Instead Gendo exists for the sake of the psychological shock of Shinji having an irrationally dismissive father figure, which works for what it is, but doesn't result in anything that could be called depth of character.
>>142097232
I very much disagree with the physicality of the battles for many, many reasons. Too long to go into. And I never cared for almost anything that happened story-wise.
But really I've tried to make up with Evangelion for like 12 years now. It is profound and it deals with a lot of things that kept me up at night, but as a TV show I always hated the damn thing. I dunno, I never saw anything good in it as a show.
>>142097283
You're literally being SJW flipped right now. Stop it. Words are words.
>>142096328
So guys will this be shown internationally?
>>142097116
i love both episode 25 and 26.
https://youtu.be/gWkXT0HBUkg?t=2m14s
this scene from episode 25 is my favourite scene from the whole show.
>>142096622
There is no complexity, you can declare shit as "art", its retarded.
>>142088306
The entire show is a dream. The day before Shinji saw Rei in passing transferring to his school.
>>142097290
>I very much disagree with the physicality of the battles for many, many reasons. Too long to go into
please do
>>142097287
>Dude, I'm totally with you on this. I've had discussions here with Eva fans, and they'll begrudgingly admit that Eva's characters aren't any deeper than your average anime, but not without great pain.
That's what I kind of hate about fans of shows like Lain, Utena or Evangelion. They'll always say that the show isn't that deep, but I feel this is just because they aren't confident enough to defend their thoughts. Since hell, they are all deep. They are very carefuly constructed shows, with pretty complex but consistent narratives, lots of subtleties in its visual exposition. In eva especially in the way how we explore its characters. It uses both dialogue, the actions of the characters and visualized streams of consciousness to explore them and add multiple layers to them.
Evangelion is a complex and confusing show, there's a reason lots of people will say it doesn't have sense or get irritated by its narrative. I can understand them though, what I can't is the people who've taken their time to analyze and put together all these elements yet are afraid to admit the show being a work that clearly does stand out out of fear of backlash.
>>142087239
Kek, why would this even compile?>Including stdio.h
>>142097428
Personally I use the it isn't that deep card when I'm talking to someone who clearly didn't manage to understand even basic 101 film things.
'Deep' is a meaningless term in colloquial conversation, anyway. You can distort it to mean various things, including contradictory ones. So it's really hard to discuss when two people might be using the same words but thinking of completely different concepts.
>>142097414
I've been thinking of basically doing a series of essays on all of EVA and why I think it's both the greatest piece of existentialist art of the last 25 years and a shitty cartoon.
But to put it basically: they're too big to be lightning bolts on the battlefield but too thin and fast to feel huge. To me. I am never in full belief that it's a huge thing fighting around a city, it reminds me more of Suzaku Kururugi's fighting style than a giant robot. It doesn't really help that they're modelled like Bishoujo boys rather than more sturdy fighting machines. Once they're in the air and flipping I always felt like I was watching any action anime rather than giant robots.
One thing I will admit it does brilliant is resistance. Or pull/push motions. Like when the angel catches a rocket in his arm and the rocket pushes through his tissue and explodes, or when the Eva catches the Angel's hands and twists it off. Those are great, but I never felt the weight of any other scene.
I understand I am in the minority but the only opinion I can express is my own, so.
>>142097491
This isn't science though, these terms have to be applied pretty loosely, but there is a general sense of what "deep" means in terms of works of fiction and it's fitting for evangelion.
reminder. gendo was a great parent. shinji was a spoiled homosexual brat who couldnt appreciate the father of the year.
>>142095968
>I could have sworn it was possible to do void main though.
It is, it's just dumb because it simply makes compiler smack your shit code and fix it since it is an uncompilable bug.
>>142097573
The Suzaku thing is very much true, but imo only for the more light actiony episodes in the middle stretch. In both the first 6 episodes and 16 onwards I think there's a very deliberate and well-made sense of reality to the fights. Weight is another thing and generally the animators (even the absolute best ones like Yoshinari or Honda) have a hard time creating a true sense of weight to the motions. That's why the two best scenes, by far, in terms of animation are Iso's 01 bit in 19 and again Iso's part of the MP fight in EoE.
Do you think this doesn't feel real, physical, or weighty?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A89blUjT7z8
I'm talking about the whole construction of the scene too, from the pure animation to the editing and music and the insane growls and gross sound effects.
18 has a really good scene in this vein as well
There's also 16 where it isn't *realistic* per se but definitely visceral and impactful as all hell.
Then, in terms of being a cartoon, a film and a TV series, there are dozens of elements in the construction of NGE that stand out and are actually instrumental to its success as a work of art. From the structure of episode 2, to the mere existence of something like episode 4 with its Van Gogh inspired landscapes, to the way they start integrating the stream of consciousness stuff first as connected to Angel mind-hijacks and gradually transitioning to be just the default mind state of the characters, the held shots, etc.
Fuck it's so good
>>142097585
>there is a general sense of what "deep" means in terms of works of fiction
I honestly think there isn't. Have you ever seen a work everyone unanimously agrees it's deep? Your original point about not wanting to engage with the term is the ultimate proof of this. 'Deep' at this point is just used as an ironic pejorative and not a real descriptor anymore, at least not in casual conversation. It doesn't convey anything without having to use 3 paragraphs to explain it, by which point why latch on to singular words? Language should be used to expand on concepts.
>>142097741
One more thing: the EVAs are very much not robots, this is clear story-wise as early as episode 2 but more importantly, art-wise, from the very beginning they are treated more as Kaiju -or powersuits like Ultraman, if you want- than true, blocky, normal robots. This is important because they have to feel like giant humans rather than outlandish humongous things (a concept that has been explicitly called out by Anno when talking about how they designed the EVAs). And humans, well, they are often fast, agile and move lightly when fighting, just as much as they become slabs of mass when they interlock hands or perform strong actions on each other.
The blood is a real important aspect too. I really like how EVA uses blood, how they frame and draw it. Yeah, they can go overboard, but I think the times where they do so were very calculated (mostly thinking about 16 here) and didn't feel cheap at all.
>>142097643
>Gendo
>great parent
Yeah, if never contacting your son until you want something from him counts as "parenting".
>>142097428
>I can understand them though, what I can't is the people who've taken their time to analyze and put together all these elements yet are afraid to admit the show being a work that clearly does stand out out of fear of backlash.
I does stand out, by I'm still adamant that the characters aren't all that interesting in themselves, as human beings with internal thought processes, and that everything about them that could be considered interesting is due to how their their particular psychological hangups are presented.
![01b[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/O2Mz5Fq.png "01b[1].png")
>>142097358
>Dub
>>142097643
I like this image, I didn't think of it from that perspective before I saw it.
>>142097881
The Evas aren't even robots though. They're biological machines.
>>142075013
it's about erectile disfunction
>>142075013
Rei is love
>>142098551
Are you one of the fags who never watches dubbed Chinese cartoons? I only watch subbed when there are no dubs available.
There is a reason its called sub. It is a sub-standard of watching animu.
>>142087330
He said he had the script "provisionally" done pending edits in 2013. He was feeling down after making 3.0, and decided to take up some other projects after talking to Miyazaki and snapping out of his funk
>>142075013
It's shit. That's all.
;_;
>>142099428
Fso what happened to him?
>>142099456Misato shot him
>>142097573
you are not getting it at all. You are thinking of evas as giant robots made 100% out of metal (like gundams or other mechas) but they are actually cyborgs. Think about this, you build a human size remote controlled robot. That robot can walk, punch, kick, shoot ect. but it cant jumb, do acrobatics midair and other stuff eva's do. But when you give a profesional free runner (who can pull of nearly superhuman stunts) some super steroids and a skin tight body armor, would resemble an evangelion more than a regular robot.
TL;DR eva's are fucking living cyborg's, not or giant robots.
>>142099462
Bullshit, what actually happened?
>>142099462It wasn't Misato though
>>142098551
What's wrong with the dub? I have watched eva 6 times now, and every time i go with the english dub (well one time i did check out the russian dub, but that does not count).
>>142099602
They are autists who want to submerge them selves with maximum nippdom. All the nip voices sound the same to me so the characters are less personified, and I can't understand them. Reading every word is a chore.
>>142099673
less personified is still better than the negative personification you get with the dub.
There's nothing wrong with a good dub, Eva's is not.
>>142099673
Eva's dub is weird, and the side characters in it are garbage, but the main voices have a charm to them that most English dubs lack.
>>142099714
I found it to be mint, I don't know what you hate about it.
>>142099750
It's terrible, for starters
>>142099791
How?
>>142099803
can't act
>>142099602
>>142099673
>>142099803
The acting in the Japanese dub is objectively better. Eva is nutritious for how hard Anno was on the VAs.
While in the meantime the English cast dicked around, misinterpreted some scenes, mistranslated the script and added jarring sound effects.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dyL3cGV6JDY
>>142075013
Neon Genesis Evangelion is the only show I can think of that can be incredibly pretentious (the religious elements) and incredibly affecting and genuine (the parts where you can tell Anno is spilling his guts out.)Also, if you actually have a waifu from this show, you probably missed the point.
There is no stronger anime on par with Evangelion.
Eva has guts. That's what makes it good.
>>142097781
>I honestly think there isn't. Have you ever seen a work everyone unanimously agrees it's deep?
No, but that's my point. This is art, not science. Anyways, if there isn't such a thing like "deepness" in general then it also wouldn't makes sense to say that Eva isn't deep at all or is "not that deep". You also couldn't call it pretentious at all, because just in general the term is unaplicable in this situation.
>>142075013
Barely has a plot, literally does not have an ending. That isn't a deconstruction, that's having no idea what the fuck you're animating
>>142102275
Not that anon but wouldn't it be easier to just define what the world means to you when you are using it? Just accept a mutually agreeable definition of the word with whomever you are having a discussion and the problem is solved.
>>142099428
葛城、俺だ。
I think Puella Magi Madoka Magica is a better anime.
>>142104022
I think they are both overrated, and for similar reasons.
>>142086587
Not really, The rebuilds had 4 directors with Anno being the Chief director. Anno listens to other peoples input.
Whereas Lucas hushed criticism of his decisions.
>>142075013
>Intellectual deconstruction or pretentious edge?
Both. It's a straight-forward lambasting of giant robot anime and it's frequent use of what amounts to child soldiers. At the same time there's a huge amount of religious symbolism just thrown in because lol deep.
>>142082064
Asukafags are all trolls.
>>142105045
>At the same time there's a huge amount of religious symbolism just thrown in because lol deep.
That does not make the show pretentious, the people who overthink the symbolism are.
>>142096447
Did that because my download video has other language sub.
>>142080295
mfw this series is pretentious
>>142104022
>>142104098
I agree with both of these.
>>142106330
>Pic related
>>142106330
>>142106771
Why are people so eager to admit they have shit taste and expose the fact they have no clue what they are talking about?
My half a cent.
I used to see Evangelion as being something more than it is. I seen it as being the greatest show ever made. I seen it through a perspective that was so misinformed. Now, I look at Eva as a show that deceived me. I was attached to its illusion of greatness. It conned me. It fucked with my head. It gave me Asperger's.
Now I come to /a/ while wondering how Anno didn't get committed to an asylum.
>>142108782
You didn't say anything
>>142108901
Basipally, it's a meme.
>>142108782
To all the people who keep misusing the word pretentious, here is a great example of what it mean so you can learn from it. Thank the anon for helping you grow.
There should be a sticky in all the media boards establishing that there are skill levels when it comes to reading/watching stuff. You can be actually bad at consuming media, and some works are more difficult than others. People accept this with regards to video games, but they never do when it comes to the capability of their brains rather than their fingers for some reason.
Examples of low-skilled watchers:
>>142088306
>>142085653
>>142109155
>>142085653
>has only seen less than 10 other animes
>animes
I'm sure you yourself haven't seen more than 10 anime
>>142082064
tbqh senpai
>>142110086
moar
>>142110041
I agree with this sentiment. There is such a thing as someone who doesn't put much thought into the media they consume, and thus has an intellectually incomplete opinion.
>>142110086
Sorry anon, it's from the studio Khara calendar so not much else like it. Check this out though. Same calendar except swim suit Rei this time.
>>142082025
nothing its over go home
>>142110236
This whole post reeks of neckbeard.
>>142075013
I like Usaka
>>142098565
it's good that you didn't of it before seeing the image, because it's not a valid interpretation of what happened in the show.
>>142083742
I disliked the Manga's ending.
>>142091406
Newfag plz
>>142075013
the series presents a lot of different ideologies, hideaki anno wants people to find their own meaning in evangelion, though i think its pretty obvious if you rewatch the series and watch EoE 2-3 times
>>142075013
A good show.
>>142075013
Pretentious =/= any anime that has some elements that require some form of analysis.
Pretentiousness is pretending to be deeper and thought provoking when you're shallow and simplistic.
An example of pretentiousness? Look at Shonen. A good example: Naruto. It pretends to have some profound idea about justice and cycle of hatred but really it's reductive, simplistic, and shallow that it fails to make any kind of genuine commentary. Granted, that's not the purpose of the show.
Evangelion however has shown that it deliberately twists and deconstructs tropes found in the mecha genre. And given the complexity of the characters without necessarily shoving pseudophilosophy down your throat I'd say it isn't pretentious.
