So, it's been pretty well established that the answer to "Can Shiki kill servants" is "technically, but he won't ever get the chance"
But I propose a brand new angle on this old pointless question
Can Shiki WORKING WITH SHIROU kill servants?
Thinking about it, it seems like they cover each-others weakness against servants pretty well. Shirou uses the bag of tricks and his overall much higher effective range via traced weapons to provide cover for Shiki, who can then get up close to stab their lines (a level of pure power that Shirou couldn't possibly reach)
Except for the part where they would probably never want to work together, I think it's a pretty solid theory.
Shirou can already kill servants by himself.
But can accelerator kill servants
>>141882661
Only with a bullshit list of situational powerups and other plot conveniences
If you're going down that road then we can argue stuff like "shiki could take down arcueid into 17 pieces in one second when he's literally half dead, has zero training and as his very first kill with his eyes, so if he actually worked on his assasin shit he could take down servants to" but then you're just being a dickhead about an already dickhead question
>>141882711
No because he's a character from a series that's somehow even worse about bullshit resolutions to fight scenes than fate is
Why do you need Shirou though? Shiki can kill servants. Discuss.
>>141882595
Shiki can already kill servants. Shirou can already kill servants. If they worked together, I'm pretty sure they would continue to be able to kill servants.
>>141882846
What's this one from? Melty Blood?
>>141882846
But can Ciel kill Servants? Like, real ones, not fake ones like Avenger.
>>141882595
Better yet just have shiki summon best servant with his big ass magic circuts and freeze everyone in place for double mystic eyes combi
>>141882595
>Fate Thread
Why?
>>141882965
Ciel is pretty much a weaker version of Kotomine so no.
Can CASTER BUFFED KOTOMINE KIREI kill servants?
>>141883034
Because /a/ likes shitty fiction.
>>141883126
Horses aren't people
>>141882961
Yeah, from the manga. It was a nod to a future story about Shiki and Arc.
>>141883179
Satsujinki or something, right?
>>141883126
>>>/mlp/
Can Shirou kill Dead Apostles?
>>141883107
Probably.
>>141883432
The fuck is this?
Can Shiki kill Demonbane?
>>141883042
The only Kotomine that can even beat Ciel is Zero Kotomine with multiple CS as his disposal.
Can Shiki kill Dumbledore?
>>141883432
Both of them could beat 3rd Grail War Avenger.
>>141883489
The best Fate anime to date.
>>141883576
>implying
Avenger might be shit overall, but he excels at killing humans.
>>141882595
>See pic
>Laugh instinctively
I don't even need to watch Carnival Phantasm, just remembering it puts a smile on my face. It's so good.
>>141882595
They can't even plan to date their harems, let alone plan to kill servants.
>>141882846
>>141882961
>>141883179
speaking about tsukihime manga, I recently read through the one based on the original game but all the extra stuff in the last volume was just untranslated
It was a download link I got from /a/, is this stuff just unfinished?
>>141882595
Shirou killed servants solo before, so obviously he can with a teammate.
>>141883648
Pretty sure that's just him being able to kill them in large numbers. Cause of his demon dogs running around town.
>>141884312
>implying Shiki won't just hold Shioru down by being another sack of meat he has to protect
>>141882595
Why was Carnival Phantasm so much better than the actual source material?
>>141884556
Because it's an entirely different genre, and you probably are much more interested in comedy than fantasy/action.
The real question here is: Can YOU defeat Angra Mainyu?
I mean, he's the fucking weakest, I bet at least you can kill that piece of shit, right?
Genuine question would the two of them become friends if they met?
>>141884760
I feel like they'd piss eachother off
>>141884742
Sure, why not
>>141884742
Considering his specialty is killing regular humans like me, I probably would lose badly.
>>141884760
We had Carnival Phantasm to answer that question.
>>141883006
Here's something that needs clearing up: If Rider uses Cybele on someone with high MAG their abilities go down 1 rank. Is that only for personal/class skills or does it apply to their main stats as well, like a reverse Arondight?. The in-game text flip flops on this.
>>141884760
Shirou is the kind of guy who can be anyone's friend as long as they're not a cunt.
Daily reminder that Melty Blood is superior to Fate.
>>141884922
Which is why Shiki can't be friends with him
>>141884900
I dunno if a gag series really counts as "canon", for how little that matters to type moon
>>141884922
shiki is a rapist and a murderer though, he's basically shinji but with redeeming qualities and better excuses for his insanity fits
>>141883432
I find that hard to believe. Aptitude/skill/Shiki-level speed aside, they should simply be incapable of actually harming Servants like that. When Assassin got nailed to a tree by Black Keys, he was never hurt.
>>141884922
Wrong, Shirou can be friends with anyone even with cunts, that's why he's Shinji's friend.
>>141884742
He's basically Shirou right ?
So it all comes down to beating a guy that's shorter, lighter and trains as much as you.assuming he doesnt use magic
>>141882595
>Shiki can kill servants
>can Shiki WITH EXTRA HELP kill servants?
Great thread, OP. Real hard question.
>>141884913
A better question is what the fuck does the MAG stat actually do when every servant just has unlimited energy unless they don't
If Archer went back in time to destroy Avenger's catalyst before the start of the Third Grail war, would that prevent the corruption of the grail or does Avenger now exist everywhere along the timeline as the core of the Grail?
>>141885147
It's their max MP stat. Think like in FFIV where Tellah had 90 MP but Meteor cost 99 so the stress killed him when he used it. Difference is everyone except Saber could regen over time. Pretty simple, really.
>>141885321
Theoretically it might work but Ayala really fucking hates paradoxes and would probably forbid it from happening.
>>141885415
I get the concept of it, but situations like that never really come up because like you said everyone but saber can just regenerate (and saber is just so she doesn't auto win every fight)
one of my big problems with fate is that it has the silly rpg stats that sound stupid as hell, only they don't actually go into any detail about them and more or less constantly ignore the stats so shirou can manhandle gilgamesh somehow even though he's apparently like 100 times stronger than a regular human according to his rpg stats
>>141885321
Considering all the parallel time bullshit in the type-moon universe (I seriously hate time travel in any and all plots, it ruins everything) it might help that timeline but none of the others.
I'm tired of this question.
I have a better one. Can the gland work on Servants?
>>141886030
Of course it can, what kind of stupid question is that?
It works on goddamned archetype earth. If we ever get a tohnno assassin in grand order his NP will be glanding enemies into not wanting to fight anymore
>>141882595
Shirou can only cover those weaknesses for a short amount of time. Unless he has UBW up, then he's stuck in short range. Anything that isn't a sword costs extra for him trace, so a bow or any other long range weapons would be out of the question without outside prana support, like what he had from Rin in the UBW route. Unless they can kill a servant in the short amount of time that UBW is active, then they're fucked. Servants are just simply too above human levels of physical and magical performance. It's noted that UBW spam is only a mere annoyance to a servant who has mastered their own weapon. They'd just dodge or deflect until the spam ends. Only a servant like an assassin or caster would likely have trouble, other classes works would probably outlast them both.
>>141886090
>Tohno gland
>FGO
Now I wanna see Tohno giving theglandto Sichelgaita and Jeanne.At the same time.
>>141886093
doesn't shiki actually have a whole ton of parana, which is how he managed to make a contract with len?
If Shiki and Shirou were to team up, and they fought a Servant Shirou could somehow hold back, having Shiki try to kill it would be a terrible idea, since it would put too much of a strain on his brain.
If anything, people tend to forget Shiki isn't a 1-on-1 fighter (unlike Ryougi), he's an assassin. It would be a much better idea to have him seek the Servant's Master and kill him.
>>141885064
It's not that Assassin wasn't hurt, the damage was just negligible. As long as the two spiritual cores are unharmed a Servant can take anything less than getting chopped in half in a stride (provided the damage can be healed and doesn't directly attack the soul or have some curse applied). With better weapons and strikes to either the head or heart, Kirei and Kiritsugu could technically kill Servants
>>141882595
Can Shiki kill servants?
And I'm not talking about Nanaya Shiki, now am I talking about Satsujinki.
I'm talking about Nanaya Shiki who's had years to practice his skills and make use of his eyes, has had the lifeforce stolen from him by SHIKI returned, has been turned into a Dead Apostle by Arcueid AND Sacchin at the same time, has made a contract with Len, has borrowed the Etherlite after being trained in their use, been taught magecraft after going over the memories of Roa both him and Ciel have, has the backup of Akiha the strongest of the half demons and someone that can steal someones life or abilities with a literal glance and just raped both of the maids for the last 24 hours straight to synchronize.
>>141885088
>Shinji
>cunt
Fuck off.
>>141886483
>Shiki try to kill it would be a terrible idea, since it would put too much of a strain on his brain.
Would it? If shiki can understand the concept of relatively powerful arcueid's death just fine for his very first use of his eyes without blacking out once, would a servant really be that far off if he just has to stab them and nothing else?
>>141886483
>If anything, people tend to forget Shiki isn't a 1-on-1 fighter (unlike Ryougi), he's an assassin.
Isn't that what OP is saying? Having Shirou make the big flashy enterance with his traced swords while shiki sneaks behind them?
Kirei never had the extra command spells in the VN, right?
>>141886869
Yeah
>>141886898
Since they added them in the UBW anime, I'm worried they will the HF movies too. That's create the problem of Kirei no longer not having the means to kill a servant.
>>141885556
Not him, but I agree the stat idea was really stupid and pointless.
>>141887100
They'll just ignore it I doubt they'll make such a drastic change of having him kill assassin.
>>141887100
I haven't watched it yet. What did they change?
>>141887247
Kirei had a bunch of extra CSs, that's all. They didn't change anything in the story but they did prompt secondaries to go full frodo with why Kirei didn't use those CSs to continue controlling Lancer rather than have him suicide.
>>141884742
>>141882711
Answers to these are no. Only things with mana/magic can damage a servant. A butter knife infused with mana can hurt a servant, a nuclear bomb cannot.
Read the VN
>>141886869
Didnt he use those in sakura?
>>141886869
I thought he did, since he's the mediator of the 5th HGW. And I remember him saying he wasted his "magical crest" when he saved Sakura in HF, I thought he was just lying and used his Command Spells.
>>141887394
Not that I recall.
But can any of them kill Madara Uchiha?
>>141884742
>beat the shit out of Angra
>he Verg Avesta me
>he was only pretending to be retarded
>>141885556
No, you're right, stats don't matter 99% of the time. I was just explaining what MAG did. Like can you name a single instance where MAG affected a fight/decision? No, it's just there for for who does and doesn't get petrified. Or stuff like Rider and Assassin having the same B-C-A physical stats yet Rider BFTOing him unarmed. Or even NP ranks being completely meaningless (ex:Gae Bolg and Gae Dearg/Buidhe being the same rank somehow). It's one of the bigger blights on the series, really.
>The next TM project has a JAM Project OP
How fucking hype will you be?
>>141887467
Shiki can but he couldnt get the hit.Just use the whole pasta as the other guy
>>141887479
Well servants stats and np are different.
>>141886869
This is from Unlimited Codes
>>141887414
>I thought he was just lying and used his Command Spells.
Didn't think about it. That makes sense.
>>141887581
And we have this from, I don't remember from where it is, but there you go.
While stats on their own are not all that useful I find that comparatively between servants they do in fact give a good summary of how they all compare. It's also an easy way to show how a servant becomes stronger due to mana source, like Saber between Shirou and Rin.
>>141887688
Huh, then >>141887414 is probably right.
>>141886093
>>141886340
Anyone wanna clue in on this one? I'm actually really curious, I hadn't thought about shiki's contract with len meaning he probably has the potential to be a magus
>>141887688
Didn't Kuzuki have a seal as Caster's Master?
The comedy of Carnival was so fucking high that I thought I was watching UBW with drugs.
lol
>>141887798
He has the potential, but that would require him to actually train in it. He lacks a magic crest, which is what Rin used to give support to Shirou. He can't make the same connection to Shirou that Rin did.
>>141884913
No one knows?
>>141887391
What would happen if a servant was dropped into lava?
Would he casually swim in it?
>>141887991
Missed your post. Yes, Cybele lowers stat scores as well as abilities.
>>141887823
Thewikisays this.
>Kuzuki is the Master of Caster, but he is not a magus nor does he have Magic Circuits or Command Spells. He only acts as her anchor to the world, while she must subside off of the magical energy taken from the leylines and the town in order to upkeep her existence. His sperm was still capable of stabilizing her enough to establish their contract after she was brought within Ryuudou Temple’s Barrier.
>>141888073
Depends on the servant I guess. It'd probably melt their bodies but not touch their spirits, so they'd either need to stay in spirit form or keep pumping prana to repair their bodies.
>>141882711
>>141887391
If Touma touched a servant, would they disappear?
Could Touma beat Caster in a fight?
>>141888231
These cross franchise questions are retarded. There is no point in even thinking about it.
>>141888196
Does that mean Asuka could beat a servant as long as they fought under lava?
>>141888196
Isnt like it matters when they can just make new bodies each time they get out of spirit form so those bodies are cheap as fuck in mana.
>>141888267
The whole thread is kind of retarded.
>>141888371
But at least you can answer the questions using established lore. To answer your question is basically coming up with fanfiction.
>>141888371
Welcome to /a/. Potluck on Fridays.
>>141888196
>>141888334
They are straight up immune, rock being thrown at them also does nothing. Nasu actually explained this in an interview, servants aren't strong in the material world because they can do big explosions they are strong because only things of magic nature can harm them.
>>141888231
>Yes
>No. Maybe depending on how much plot armor Touma has but in normal circumstances any Caster could kick his ass.
Why is everyone always talking about killing Servants, most of them are nice guys if you get to know them
>>141888453
Who made that lasagna last time? I got the shits pretty bad.
>>141888371
It's one of the better TM threads in a while, really.
>>141888535
moot
>>141888231
Yes probably, I don't see why not. Servants are magic, Touma touches magical things all the time.
>>141888559
Not really. I've been in three better threads in the last 3 better threads in the last three days. If only because they were about powerlvels.
>>141888575
Servants are ghost though.
>>141888575
>>141888614
Please don't do this
>>141888607
>were
weren't*
I need to sleep.
>>141888575
Maybe his hand acts like Rule Breaker and dissolves contracts.Think about him rescuing Servants from Masters who aren't living their lives correctly.
>>141888647
>>141888607
Odds are I was in those. This is still much more civil and has some degree of discussion and examination.
>>141888533
>most of them are nice guys if you get to know them
>>141882595
No, the answer is "looking at a servant without his glasses on will fucking fry his brain like an egg".
I don't know how this fucking misinformation keeps spreading.
>>141888743
Saber and Touma will get along. Gil might like him too since Touma is strong by his own merit.
>>141888930
Why was he able to do this with Arc then?
>>141888930
>looking at a servant without his glasses on will fucking fry his brain like an egg
Half of the things he see do this to his brain anyway.
>>141888969
Because she can be killed. Even then, that's just during the day. Servants are already beyond death, to kill it with a point of death would mean erasing it from the Akawhatever record. Or something like that.
>>141888930
if shiki can stab arcueid and also her connection with gaia he can look at servants
not to mention him doing stuff like slicing through a marble phantasm in melty blood
>>141888930
Sort of this. They make it pretty clear that it strains him to sight less mortal targets. Inanimate objects are hard, life in an area is super hard, cutting a servants mortal body would be easy for him but the cutting of their spirit would be the kicker.
>>141889063
Servants can also be killed. You're acting as if he has to erase their existence.
>>141889087
No, the Arc Shiki killed was just plain Arc. She wasn't using any of her powers as Archetype EARTH. If she was fully activated, trying to kill Arc would be like trying to kill the planet. The only Shiki who could pull it off is Ryougi.
>>141889063
>to kill it with a point of death would mean erasing it from the Akawhatever record
Are you retarded? servants are just copies not the ones in the throne.
>>141889179
Ryougi cant see lines in archetype though and she actually can kill servants.
That and tohno already killed a part of gaia.
>>141889179
I'm talking about ciel route, where shiki stabs the planet itself to power down berserk arcueid
that route also has the only time in tsukhime shiki actually takes any negative side effects from using his eyes when he stabs his own goddamned lines (he gets fucked up trying to stab a concept out of kohaku in hisui good but he just gets temporary blindness and that was his second time ever cutting something so he wasn't used to it)
all the other times people talk in story about shiki getting messed up if he uses his eyes are just so he can dramatically use his eyes and not get hurt, or because kohaku has spent the entire last week poisoning him and he didn't realize thats why he feels so shitty
>>141886483
>having Shiki try to kill it would be a terrible idea, since it would put too much of a strain on his brain
It wouldn't, he can kill Nero Chaos while missing chunks of his body(he's barely alive), a DAA+walking RM. He can kill ARCUEID.
A servant is nothing.
Reminder that the question asked to Nasu was whether or not Shiki could fight servants. The killing part was never put into question.
>>141889179
And that Arc can only be beaten by Gilgamesh because it's kind of a compatibility thing going on, Gilgamesh is the strongest servant.
What's your fucking point retard? Do you think Arcueid needs AE or even more than 30% to kill any servant? They're pebbles.
>>141889303
which is why shiki needs a buddy to cover for him
although really, he's probably better off just getting ciel to team up instead of someone he would clash with like shirou. she's secretly a really strong magus with hella high magic circuts and roas decades of knowledge so if rin can fuck up hercules she should be able to hold up quite a few servants, especially with the fact that she doesn't die even if killed.
>>141887391
That's a NLF and it's inconsistent. Wolves killed Heracles.
Try again next time fatefag
>>141889188
That was retconned in the recent adaption
>>141889351
Who the fuck mentioned Servants? Did you need to rent a crane to move that fucking goalpost?
>>141889361
The problem is that ciel kinda hates using roa knowledge.
>>141889419
That never happened though.
Not even in GO they stoped being copies anon.
>>141889361
I remember reading in another thread about a pretty neat idea. Imagine if Shiki were in a grail war and summoned Rider. She uses her eyes to paralyze people and he steps in to kill them.
Although this wouldn't work for anyone with good magic resistance or magic resistant items like Gil.
>>141889442
The whole point is that if he can look at Arc, he can look at Servants. What are you talking about?
>>141889442
>Who the fuck mentioned Servants? Did you need to rent a crane to move that fucking goalpost?
>No, the answer is "looking at a servant without his glasses on will fucking fry his brain like an egg".
You said killing something like Arcueid would do nothing but killing servants would fry his brain, you're fucking retarded. You said he could do it because it was "normal" Arcueid, but "normal" Arcueid is already stronger than servants
>>141889482
>The problem is that ciel kinda hates using roa knowledge.
It's nothing like Gilgamesh hating to use EA against mongrels or some shit like that.
Ciel just prefers not to use Roa's magic, if it's needed she will, that's it.
>>141889522
>No, the answer is "looking at a servant without his glasses on will fucking fry his brain like an egg"
That's not even my post, idjit.
>>141889351
> Gilgamesh is the strongest servant
Effectively retconned. There are several servants that easily rival his power. Strange Fake has Alcides (Herc) archer who completely laughs off the full force of the GoB. Nothing shy of Gil using Ea can rival him in that matchup. Karna has several top tier NPs and skills that surpass most servants. Enkidu is equal to Gil but he lacks the shitty attitude. And that's only a few. They're all worth several servants in power and versatility.
>>141889522
>stronger than servants
Strength isn't the important factor.
>all these tsukifags arguing against word of god
Tbh ur allretarded oniifam
>>141889576
Not him but that post is what spared the reply chain.
>>141889482
>The problem is that ciel kinda hates using roa knowledge.
thats what makes it such a cool story hook, she's torn between reminding herself of the monster she was and tohno-kun eating shit without her full help
>>141889510
yeah I saw that one
keep in mind that cybelle even fucked up archer real fast and he has some solid magi resistance stats, so basically anyone besides saber/gil is screwed
Could rider have shiki ride on belle with her? I forget exactly how the girdle works
If you've already answered "Can Shiki kill servants" with a "probably" then why the hell would you even ask a "Can Shiki PLUS X kill servants" question?
>>141889510
>The whole point is that if he can look at Arc, he can look at Servants. What are you talking about?
My point is that regular Arc is far weaker than AE, and thus less risky to look at,
>>141889603
>Effectively retconned. There are several servants that easily rival his power.
Except so far there are none stronger than him
>Strange Fake has Alcides (Herc) archer who completely laughs off the full force of the GoB
I've read SF, Alcides can counter GoB, big deal Shirou Emiya can do it too.
In fact Alcides says that GoB would only do shit against a half-wit or someone that needs to git gud.
Gilgamesh never went serious against him.
>Karna has several top tier NPs and skills that surpass most servants.
Karna admitted being weaker than Gilgamesh, he himself said that he would lose if they fight.
>Enkidu is equal to Gil but he lacks the shitty attitude.
Kinda true, Enkidu was equals to Gilgamesh back then, there might be some stuff that Gil got after Enkidu's death.
>>141889699
as one of the people that inadvertently started this post chain let me restate what I'm saying
shikis first use of his eyes outside of cutting wood a couple times as a kid was to slice someone so throughly she had to make an entire brand new body and lose tons of power in the process
he did this on someone who, even without AE, is stronger than most servants
he didn't have any issues with his eyes frying
>>141889361
Ciel is pretty amazing actually
> She's not just skilled in martial arts, though. The knowledge of sorcery that she inherited from Roa is equivalent to that possessed by a magus of the rank of Grand – the highest rank in the Association. Even in the Church, where sorcery is officially forbidden, this is regarded as a highly useful asset.
>>141889610
Arcueid has a mistery higher than servants, she's basically Crimson Moon by herself, and she's literally Gaia in AE form.
>>141889767
ciel could qualify for like 4/5 classes as a servant
>>141889767
>strong and independent mary sue character made to fall for otakus dick
What did you expect
>>141889848
>It wasn't something as simple as falling in love, of course. It's just that she was moved by the fact that Shiki could lead such a carefree life despite having experienced death just like she had.
>>141889725
Karna admitted that in CCC.where he was nerfed to hell and back by Jinako. He was a walking corpse at one point. He didn't even have his armor in CCC. It was already directly stated that they're at least equal.
Alcides shrugged it off with no effort whatsoever, something not even Emiya did.
It really doesn't matter what he gained afterward, because Enkidu makes his own shit to counter it.
Not to mention abominations like Pale Rider.
What language do the singers in Kajiura's soundtracks sing?
How well or badly would Alice's Crown Phantasm do against an average Servant?
>>141889922
While he may not use it smartly, I think one of the reasons he's considered the strongest is because of how extensive his armory is and how he should be able to counter most things. People forget that it's in this context that he's called the strongest in FSN. Ea was just a plus.
>>141889922
>Karna admitted that in CCC.where he was nerfed to hell and back by Jinako. He was a walking corpse at one point. He didn't even have his armor in CCC. It was already directly stated that they're at least equal.
No, Karna said he would lose, he didn't say "hey my CCC version is weaker but i'm stronger xD Gil!". He said that he would lose against Gilgamesh if they ever fought again.
>Alcides shrugged it off with no effort whatsoever, something not even Emiya did.
Shirou did nothing either, he just made his blades counter GoB and then went melee against Gil. The only struggle he had in the fight was going melee countering GoB wasn't a problem.
>>141889922
You seem to be a secondary that watched the UBW anime. Let me tell you, Shirou had no problems countering Gate of Babylon, him jumping around and flying like superman is just to make the animated fight look cool.
You should stop posting things you've read in the wikia or 4chan.
Enough debate. Post lewd TM girls.
>>141889817
assassin, caster are for sure
then I guess saber and/or archer depending on how you count black keys?
Maybe a berserker for when she was all roa'd up doing shit for the evilulz?rider with a specialty in mounting lamposts?
>>141890004
I looked around on google and it seems to be a fake language based on the phonetics of Italian and Latin.
>>141882595
Kiri Nanaya once dragged a demon under a table and dismembered it.
Shiki is stronger than that
>>141890004
It's called "we try to sounds epic xD" language. Kajiura is such a hack.
>>141890111
Except that's not what I'm referencing. I'm talking about the fact that he was extremely limited in his means to counter it. He was on a timer with UBW. He was on borrowed mana just to be able to use it. Alcides just did stood there and was perfectly fine. Get off your high house and don't assume shit.
>>141890213
Oh, then I guess I don't have to feel guilty about butchering a fake language when I try to sing along.
I think I can see the lines
>>141889922
I doubt enkidu could counter ea and enkidu (funnily enough).
>>141891840
Enkidu doesn't have divinity, so the chain isn't shit. Enkidu's NP, Enuma Elish, is a direct counter to Ea. So he can actually do both of those things.
>>141891973
Enkidu was made by gods and his "parents" are also gods in fact the king of gods and the mother of creation. So I bet it would work.
The real quesrionnwe should be asking isn't whether Shiki can kill servants, but which Shiki is best Shiki.
SHIKI >Shiki > Shiki > Shiki = SHIKI > Shiki > shit = Shiki
>>141892225
>SHIKI>Shiki
Nope
>>141892225
Which shiki could kill servants the fastest?
>>141892321
Shiki could without a doubt.
Wait, didn't Nasu said Tohno will fry his brain perceiving a servant's line?
Can Shiki kill Shiki?
>>141892225
>shit = Shiki
What the fuck are you doing?
>>141892826
No?
>>141893603
Of course, tohno will destroy ryougi anytime
>>141893684
Stop this meme Nasu fucking said Ryougi is second only to arc. Don't cry to me about void or whatever it's still Ryougi.
>>141893753
>it's still ryougi
Just like Caster Cu is still lancer who can use gae bolg right?
Try not to be an idiot next time
>>141893753
What if it was all the other shikis vs ryougi?
>>141893927
Your argument makes no sense. Ryougi isn't a summoned servant with restrictions she's one person. Nonetheless if you're going to say Tohno beats Ryougi and then put restrictions on Ryougi you've already lost.
>>141894028
m8, Nasu himself said her only chance to fight average servants defensively is in her 3rd personality while she will be destroyed in her usual personality. So are you claiming that her power in her usual personality is next to arcueid because "it's still ryougi"?
>>141894112
I'm saying you can't fucking discount it because "void doesn't count" like you faggots always claim because void is still fucking Ryougi. I don't know why you faggots can't fucking cope with the idea that Ryougi could ever beat Tohno.
>>141894246
Because we're not talking about Void when we're ralking about Ryougi vs Tohno you fucking idiot, it's a common sense that we're talking about average Ryougi. You're technically shitposting if you bring Void in this argument, Idiot.
>>141883006
The question is do Shiki and Medusa have a mystic eye battle to the death or do they spend the entire time trying to dominate each other through mana replenishment?
>>141894378
>>141894370
You're putting restrictions on Ryougi, you dumbfuck. Tohno only wins if you don't get them at their best so that's the situation you chose just to protect your pathetic headcanon of Tohno being the strongest ever. When you ask who wins and have to put restrictions on one of the characters that character clearly wins.
>>141894485
Not him but when you're talking about Shirou you don't include him with Archer's arm. There's a base rate of a character and then some characters have bullshit mode.
To use another series as a reference, when you talk about hibiki you don't mean zerker biki or X-drive biki, just Standard Biki.
Calm down.
>>141882728
look bub
the question is a meme invoked to create generals in which to shitpost
in a series literally written as a series of convenient plot devices to further vague contradictory mythology like magics, and servants
power levels in general suck; people should like the vagueness and only appreciate instances precisely because they are situational
>>141894538
In the case of Shirou that's because their are different routes that do different very different things. Ryougi is one person.
>>141894577
*there
>>141894577
That might be true of routes but it doesn't change anything about how most people would discuss biki. That's just one character who has progressed across a timeline. You take biki as is not with specific circumstances but in the most likely ones. Not in X-drive, not with the zerker, not with the controlled zerk armour just as is.
>>141889063
>>141889063
But THAT'S HOW HE FUCKING KILLS PEOPLE ANYWAY. He never applies knife to face, he's always PSH-nothing personnels people from the root with his eyes.
>>141894485
that restriction is necessary idiot, there's no point in discussing an extremely one sided fight.
While Average Ryougi vs Tohno discussion is not as one sided as the other one and we can regard it as a proper discussion
>>141894630
I don't watch synohogear but I'm guessing it's just a character in a specific scenario gains certain powers that would be a fair argument if that were the case with Ryougi. Void is always a part of Ryougi and doesn't come out under some specific set of circumstances so saying it's not applicable is just putting restrictions on her so she can lose.
>>141886272
Late. The D R A G O N D I C K is superior in any way or form.
>>141893603
The better question is can Shiki and SHIKI kill Shiki and SHIKI while Shiki watches?
>>141894664
How is an actual superhuman versus a human with above average training not one sided. Also if it were a discussion fair enough point no such discussion was taking place or was even being attempted. And don't tell me >>141893684 was your attempt at having a discussion.
>>141894485
Doesn't Tohno have far superior physical stats than Ryougi? At that point I think Tohno wins the fight unless Void starts cutting distance or time. Void is still limited by the shell that is Ryougi.
>>141894752
i said "not as one sided"
>implying that's me
>>141894700
For the longest time she had the potential to 'zerk' if she let herself get into it and always has, technically, had the potential to X-drive (assuming necessary phonic gain- which translates roughly to how much the plot wants it). There's no point discussing biki at her best because most of the series she hasn't been God-mode X-drive or regrowing arms as 'zerk biki.
In power wank the valid average and comparison point is the characters mode not their median or mean, certainly not their upper bound
>>141894791
Void is Akasha which is where Tohno's MEoDP even come from. So no.
>>141894630
X-drive is super arbitrary, it just means "it's the end of the series and the heroes need to kick ass really hard"
Like Biki was shooting fucking lasers out of her fists in S1, then X-drove twice more and we never saw that again. Vague and inconsistent powers.
>>141894898
I know all that see expanded point here:
>>141894865
>>141894865
Again I don't know anything about symphogear but>>141894898 makes it sound like the creators are just having fun which you obviously can't include in a "who wins" scenario. And again void isn't something she has to "get into" or whatever she's just there.
>>141895009
He overstates a lot of things. The power is pretty consistent, especially when in standard modes. There are clear differences capabilities between characters. Biki's zerker form was within her the whole time too but my point is, if it isn't used the majority of the time then don't count it in a power wank fight.
>>141895064
I disagree wholeheartedly if it were a discussion I would agree. But this was a statement of "X beats Y" and when you have to put a restriction on Y it's moronic and clearly your just pandering to your own view. If some one said "of course, x will destroy hibiki anytime" would you not say that's wrong? Because that is exactly>>141893684
>>141895139
I suppose there's more to it in this situation than generally. I was just saying, while comparing feats is fine comparing situational sits poorly with me.
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>>141895170
>comparing feats is fine
>fine
>>141887100
He does have them faggot, just disguises it as "disposable family Crest" (no such thing, even Rin is suspicious). He uses them all to remove most of Sakura's worms.
>>141894876
You want to explain your point? Even without the eyes, Tohno still has superior physical abilities.
>>141882711
Of course but only after he becomes a good guy.
>>141882595
Practically: Shiki and Shirou can kill anything since they're MCs so they never really lose or die.
>>141888231
>If Touma touched a servant, would they disappear?
I don't think so remember F/0 lancer had that spear that ignored magic shit. well if servants could be destroyed by anti-magic shit that spear wouldn't be able to hurt servants
>>141896578
>since they're MCs so they never really lose or die.
Apart from all those bad ends. Which outnumber the good ones.
>>141885120
He is not shirou you fucking scrub.
>>141890044
>How well or badly would Alice's Crown Phantasm do against an average Servant?
Young Aoko BTFO Flat. Sensei Aoko is equal to Servant with average NP
>>141901926
But she only managed it because she used the mana that Flat was generating. So obviously most Casters would be able to do the same. I can't possibly see how any of the Hassans would deal with him though, could they even reach him?
Let's not forget that the big rock of ice was a magical object so it would actually hurt servants if you crushed them with it.
>>141901926
Aoko was benefiting from the mana in the atmosphere, the mana from Snark. Not to mention Aoko specializes in destruction, so beaming things is what she is best at.
Flat Snark's ice meteor would have destroyed the theme park which had grown to the size of a city. Most Servants without an anti-fortress NP would't be able to win against it.
>>141895214
Do you think Fine and Kirei would meet and think of ways to troll their series's casts like powelevel discussions?
>>141883300
Apparently he can't because NP used by regular humans won't do shit to them.
>>141884742
Literally me IRL
>>141896372
Not him but are you really asking for the abilities of Void? She could kill his existence with a thought.
>>141889411
>NLF
That's not a real fallacy. Go back to your battle forum nigger.
>>141887247
Saber kills Berserker in the first battle
>>141889872
Why are the Tsukihime heroines better than the Fate heroines?
>>141894378
I feel like medusa and shiki would actually get along really well, they both kinda introverted and their two biggest personality traits are "hella devoted to people they care about, fuck the rest" and "doesn't want to be a monster"
also assuming that wasn't just part of ciels hypnosis shikis type are older women that wear glasses
>>141906945
>>141906945
because tsukihime came out first
rin in particular has the exact same emotes as akiha does
>>141906990
they get along in the type-moon fes 2012 drama CDs
>>141882595
Yes. Well if Best Shiki and Shero work together they can kill servants too. I wish Nasu didn't ignore Kara no Kyoukai and made Ryougi a MC.
>>141884226
Nobody wanted to scanlate the Ciel-sensei chapter (well, there was that one French guy on wakachan's /fate/ board) and no company is interested in localizing it, sadly.
It's a shame because the scanlations for v5 and v6 are just awful.
>>141885485
>Ayala
Who?
>>141907240
wow, I didn't expect I'd ever get an answer. Thanks.
Why the hell did nobody scanlate it? Who scanlates MOST of a volume? I noticed a couple bits in other volumes where it would just not be translated for a couple pages too but those were just scenes from the VN so I didn't care.
>>141907251
The Counter Force
>231 replies and 28 images omitted.
...I need a second...
>>141907251
The subconscious of all hoomans. It produces guard counters for the Normal Force.
>>141887391
Then just use a silver knife or something
Why didn't the Einzberns check properly whether or not Angra Mainyu is real before they summoned him?
>>141907975
How? Without a time machine, summoning him is the only way to truly know.
>>141907975
Or probably the real Angra Mainyu didn't wanted to be summoned and the grail just grabbed the closest thing it had at the moment.
Do I need to play those kind of game with stats and shit to know as much as you anons do about nasuverse or the VN will be enough?
>>141908929
The VN is the source material for Fate. Everything after it expands on it. Nasuverse is more than just fate though. Mainly there's Tsukihime and Kara no Kyoukai.
I don't think I have it with me but maybe another anon has the pic that explains what to read and or watch in what order.
Favorite moment in Type-Moon VNs?
>Fate/Stay Night
Lorelei in HF
>Tsukihime
The midnight conversation with SHIKI in Kohaku's route
>>141909081
Even then, it kind of goes overboard in some areas.
>>141909265
pic related
>>141909359
>chosing Archer UBW rather than Archer HF where he achieved the same conclusion without going through all the drama and actually being fucking useful
You've got low standards
>>141909081
>>141909290
Thanks that's really a lot of material but being a secondary is suffering.
I will pick up the things I see discussed here usually.
>>141907327
The Ciel-sensei chapter thing was ignored for some reason, along with the extras in v8 or v9
http://scarletmoon.dasaku.net/?tag=tsukihime
Español - https://mega.nz/#F!ChhQ3byQ!y7h6Th-6bY1DswbC8H0nvQ
Japanese - http://rawcs.net/753.html
Russian - http://livingflcl.eva-not-end.com/manga/complete/tsukihime.html
So did Shiki fuck Akiha after she turned into sexdoll?
>>141909944
Wouldn't she bite his dick off to get at all the tasty blood/bodyheat a boner has?
