Iroha is better than those other sluts.
>>141794947
Why?
came here for fury irohard
>>141795184
Witnessed
>>141794947
Iroha/Yukino could take the cake if they just confess, except Yui. 8man did not show any sign of attraction towards her.
>>141794947
Your jokes fail to amuse me
>>141794947
She's
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vRlJrkxsqo
>>141795184
>>141795492
That's a boy
>>141796268
Fucking expensive.
http://buyee.jp/item/search?query=%20%E4%B8%80%E8%89%B2%E3%81%84%E3%82%8D%E3%81%AF%E6%8A%B1%E3%81%8D%E6%9E%95%E3%82%AB%E3%83%90%E3%83%BC
Hope she gets more doujins when the game comes out.
So does Iroha actually want the 8? If so why is she going after Hayama and makes a big show of it.
>>141797221
She doesn't. That's why she makes sure to keep rejecting him.
>>141796944
Your point?
Who else is hyped for the game's h-scenes?
>>141797221
Every girl secretly wants the 8, even if they don't know it yet. And I'm dead serious.
>>141798679
I don't remember a good amount of those characters. Unless I just can't tell who they are from the no color.
>>141798679
>down to fuck
Ebina
Rumi
Haruno
Orimoto
>mouth rape
Yui
Yukino
Iroha
Miura
Komachi
>sweet
Shizuka
Keika
Meguri
>accident
Yuimom
Saki
>consensual
Saika
>>141798679
2cute
i need this cake
>>141798800
1st row: Yukino, Yui, Iroha
2nd row: Haruno, Saki, Keika
3rd row: Saika, Rumi, Komachi
4th row: Ebina, Miura, Hiratsuka-sensei
5th row: Meguri, Yui's mom, Orimoto
>>141798679
>8man isn't taking the initiative with Sensie
>8man is only taking the initiative with Saika
What.
W-W-What if they pull a Haganai and make Yui and Yukino GTFO while having Saika or Iroha take Hachiman?
>>141799133
Everyone else is trying to force their feelings on him, even though the only one 8man has shown interest in is Saika. He's gay as fuck
>>141799297
I'm pretty sure the only girl he's definitively interested in is Saki.
>>141799191
Saika is the new Yukimura
>>141799348
He can't even remember her name
>>141799399
He's just narrating it that way to the reader so that we don't pick up on his feelings.
>>141799654
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unreliable_narrator
>>141797221
She's waiting on 8man's sister to enroll into school the next year, Iroha will woo her and enter the family that way.
>>141800611
why is she doing that?
>>141800708
Yukinon is a vampire and she's feeding on Hikigaya's blood.
>>141794947
The other sluts simply can't compare to the top slut Iroha, that much is true.
The nonslutty girls however are much better.
>>141794947
nice thread,needs more Yukinoshita though.
Will Yui win the Hikki bowl again or will she get BTFO?
>>141803033
Harem end confirmed by WW yesterday.
At least we know that no matter what Yui and Yukino's friendship will withstand this storm.
>ANOTHER after story
>>141804264
>with special guest writer Fumiaki Maruto!
>>141804357
Can confirm this is canon
>>141794947
I wait for 3 days. Thank you anyway. Now looking for FFF's episode 1-3 file on internet.
>>141804357
Some nips joke that ANOTHER is WA2 in the making.
Good Irohasu, everyone!
>>141799861
Jesus Chriss, my dick.
>>141802668
>>141803123
proof or GTFO
When does Yukino stop pretending to be in love with Hachiman?
>>141807576
Pure Iroha
>>141806913
White Album 2: The Second
![[Commie] Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Comedy wa Machigatteiru. Zoku - My Teenage RomCom SNAFU TOO! - 10 [B39C4280].mkv_snapshot_14.24_[2016.05.21_09.02.00].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/v4r4KgJ.jpg "[Commie] Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Comedy wa Machigatteiru. Zoku - My Teenage RomCom SNAFU TOO! - 10 [B39C4280].mkv_snapshot_14.24_[2016.05.21_09.02.00].jpg")
>>141807539
She'll stop pretending after they marry, have kids, spend a life together. One day when she's an old woman tending his grave, she'll burst out laughing.
>>141806913
Well at least they're no longer in denial about it not being a fairy tale happy ending like the early spoilers claimed.
So just to make sure
Vol 12 will be about Yui being btfo right?
>>141808547
It's likely to include her losing the 8bowl. But just how BTFO she gets remains to be seen.
>>141808120
Truly in it for the long con eh?
Not sure if it's worth it considering how much she would have to spend on MAX COFFEE™.
>>141808629
WW gave Yukino a good end in ANOTHER so that means he will do the same for Yui in the main series.
>>141809137
> Yukino
> Good end in ANOTHER
Sure
>>141809162
If you don't read the recipes you can't tell something is wrong.
My universe.
>>141809345
What did Iroha mean by "Is that too sweet for you?"
>>141809162
There is nothing wrong with listening to your mother and supporting your friends. You will go to a great school and will probably marry your childhood friend. Does it really matter if Yui has something you want?
>>141809607
GAH MY DICK
NANDE?
>>141798087
Wrong!
>>141809678
>tits defying gravity
Nice to know Yui has implants, slut.
>>141794947
>implying that teacher lady isnt best girl
kek
Irohasu a best. A BEST
>>141809345
the foxiest
>>141795717
Oh my..
>>141794947
>slut is better than those other sluts
>>141794947
wrong
>>141796947
>Fucking expensive
I''d say expensive fucking but yes, it's called Iroha.
>>141798679
Who is Komachi going to send that photo to?
>>141798982
2chan
>>141810451
Pick one without looking. That is now the song that plays at the end of Oregairu.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBy0tQQQh-Ahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQ3Xs86Io00https://soundcloud.com/abbbaew/08-cello-solo-verhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wg_or_zaOCU
>>141810722
>the send one
I didn't see the conditions before looking at the spoiler. Does that count? I'd like to reconsider.
10.5 OVA FUCKING WHEN? I am so afraid of kicking the bucket before witnessing it.
>>141810873
What are you on your death bed or something? It's literally a matter of days. You can wait.
>>141810873
Calm down, we're all going to make it.
Right?
If I cant get the cake I will settle for the femboy
>>141811920
>days
There's two months before it comes out
![[Commie] Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Comedy wa Machigatteiru. Zoku - My Teenage RomCom SNAFU TOO! - 05v2 [E3D61B82].mkv_snapshot_03.06_[2016.05.19_11.49.26].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/skfhhNH.jpg "[Commie] Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Comedy wa Machigatteiru. Zoku - My Teenage RomCom SNAFU TOO! - 05v2 [E3D61B82].mkv_snapshot_03.06_[2016.05.19_11.49.26].jpg")
Nothing left to do now but wait for vol 12 and Yukino's glorious victory. I wonder if they will show her marriage to Hachiman or just imply that it will happen.
>>141813598
Volume 12 is never going to happen. Watari will delay it for all of eternity.
Japan with its declining birthrates and failing industry have no choice but to money grab with popular series until they turn to shit and stagnate.
>>141807576
Why did she make such a lewd face
>>141814113
She was enjoying her senpai's saliva.
Yuckyno a shit and worst girl.
>>141814813
Yukino is cute and the best girl.
>>141804264
>>141804357
>>141806913
what is this ANOTHER thing?
i dont get it
>>141815016
Alternate ending to Oregairu written by WW that came with the BDs. Yui end with Yukino hiding her feelings for Hachiman, supporting Yui, and Hachiman giving up genuine.
>>141815234
Don't forget the complete lack of a final talk with Sensei to conclude the series with a throwback to the beginning.
ANOTHER can hardly even be called the same series.
>>141815656
That simply means that even Sensei is disappointed in Hachiman for not choosing Yukino.
Are Yui's feelings for Hachiman genuine?
If so, you could say that, in a poetic sense, Yukino did fulfill Hachiman's request in ANOTHER like she promised. By ducking out and pushing the two together she helped Hachiman get something genuine, even if that wasn't her direct motivation.
>>141815791
ANOTHER isn't the genuine route, so no.
>>141815900
I guess 'genuine' in the general sense of the word, not 'genuine' in the 'magical Yukino/Hachiman route' that the series is mostly about.
>>141815791
Anything built on lies, treachery, and deceit can never be considered genuine.
8man and Yukino both simply gave up. They let their weakness get the better of them and they just stopped trying. The path they chose was simply easier. That's what happened.
>>141815966
Well ultimately a relationship is just between two people. Lies play a role in Yukino's actions, but I don't know that there is "lies, treachery and deceit" between Yui and Hachiman in ANOTHER. So if the end result for those two lovers is genuine, even if Yukino herself abandons it, you could still call it genuine for Hachiman.
>>141815966
>they just stopped trying. The path they chose was simply easier. That's what happened.
This. Yui is essentially the easy way out.
>>141816053
>but I don't know that there is "lies, treachery and deceit" between Yui and Hachiman in ANOTHER
Then you haven't paid attention during volume 7-9.
>So if the end result for those two lovers is genuine, even if Yukino herself abandons it, you could still call it genuine for Hachiman.
The entire point is that even Hachiman gives up on wanting something genuine in ANOTHER.
>>141815791
Half the reason Yukino gave up was due to her problem with not pursuing what she wants. She assisted Yui in order to help Yui but also to run away.
>>141815966
It seemed to me 8man is legitimately interested in Yui romantically. Sure he gives up on genuine but it isn't as if he doesn't like Yui.
>>141816115
>Then you haven't paid attention during volume 7-9.
Yui is crossing the distance between her and 8man in ANOTHER by any means. There doesn't seem to be deceit between her and him.
>The entire point is that even Hachiman gives up on wanting something genuine in ANOTHER.
Maybe so but having a cute and dedicated gf isn't all that bad. The only one who gets the shit end of the stick is Yukino and it is a self made wound.
Things might get better for all of them, 8man will try to know more and more about both and cross the distance himself rather than have Yui do it. For all we know they both can get Yukino out of her shell and help her.
>>141816427
The only way that plan doesn't blow up in their faces is if 8man and Yukino are kept away from each other at all times.
Yui had to exploit Yukino's weakness in order to achieve her relationship. If 8man ever finds out about that it might be enough to wake him from his dormant state and reignite his search for something genuine.
>>141816427
Hachiman's idea of something genuine is a long lasting meaningful relationship where both parties can know everything about one another and share the most intimate details about each other. However, Hachiman gives up on wanting that in ANOTHER. So how is this the conclusion you draw from this end?
>8man will try to know more and more about both and cross the distance himself rather than have Yui do it. For all we know they both can get Yukino out of her shell and help her.
He has never had, doesn't have and never will have that type of relationship with Yui. He also chooses not to have that type of relationship with Yukino in ANOTHER. Simply being in a relationship for the sake of being in a relationship with someone is not the genuine thing Hachiman was looking for. In his own words:
>If what I wished for was granted to me, if what I wanted was given to me. Then, as I thought, I wouldn’t wish for anything nor want anything. Because the things you were granted and the things you were given were surely shams that would one day be lost.
Yes, Hachiman is dating Yui in ANOTHER, but it isn't the long lasting meaningful relationship he wants from the main series.
>>141816681
> Yui had to exploit Yukino's weakness in order to achieve her relationship.
I don't know that you can say she exploited it, because she doesn't really understand Yukino's weakness. She's knows it's unfair, because she knows Yukino has feelings for him too. But she has not witnessed Yukino in doll mode like in vol 11. To her it was just two girls going for the same boy and one had to win. Unfair, but that's life.
I kind of feel like the lesson of ANOTHER is how you can hurt people without even realizing it if you don't understand them, which has happened before in the series. Yukino friends are hurting her by facilitating her weakness, even though they don't understand that they are doing it.
And understanding is at the heart of what Hachiman means by "genuine" as evidenced by his monologue in the genuine scene and also in his character song. So, even if it's literally true that Yui feelings for Hachiman are 'genuine' and therefore he has found it in one sense of the word, in the sense that he meant it, he has not in ANOTHER.
>>141795717
Holy shit Anon I haven't laughed this hard in a while
>>141816918
>because she doesn't really understand Yukino's weakness
Yui very well knows Yukino has trouble turning Yui down. That has been made very clear in the series.
>In the face of well-established logic and words, Yukinoshita was quick to turn people down. But whenever she was pressured by sentimental words and gestures, she’d cave in surprisingly easy. Source: Yuigahama’s usual exchanges with her.
>Yuigahama looked at Yukinoshita with puppy dog eyes and Yukinoshita let out a sigh, eventually giving in.
“…Haa, just this time only.”
>What did I know about Yukino Yukinoshita? She was easily coerced by Yuigahama, that she liked cats, that she spent her weekends watching cat videos while hugging a Pan-san plushie.
>“Oh, I can’t have you looking down on me. I’m making sure to learn myself,” said Yukinoshita, showing an unyielding smile. But midway, it lost its spirit. “…Yuigahama-san, she may not look like it, but she can be really stubborn, so there are times when turning her down is pointless.”
>“That’s not learning, that’s being whipped…”
>Well, Yukinoshita and Yuigahama’s slightly unhealthy relationship was in its own way a sign of progress, so that’s fine, yes. Or so I was thinking until Yuigahama shot up her hands. “Ah, I know!”
>“It looks like you have something in mind. Can we hear it?”
>Once Yukinoshita was ready to hear her out (fully whipped), Yuigahama lifted her finger. She spun it and opened her mouth not looking very confident.
>“Umm… W-We can all eat chicken together, or something!”
http://imgur.com/a/ZQ9AC
http://imgur.com/a/ZrPmz
http://imgur.com/a/IkOI8
>mfw this discussion of ANOTHER
>>141816681
>The only way that plan doesn't blow up in their faces is if 8man and Yukino are kept away from each other at all times.
You think Yui wouldn't be paranoid as shit about 8man and Yukino spending time together? She knows she likes him and god knows Yui has a bit of a possessive streak. I doubt they would spend much time alone since Yukino would probably run away from that too.
>Yui had to exploit Yukino's weakness in order to achieve her relationship.
Yui didn't exploit shit, Yukino is the one who decided to help Yui and Yui just took the help.
>>141816753
>Hachiman's idea of something genuine is a long lasting meaningful relationship where both parties can know everything about one another and share the most intimate details about each other.
That can be grown between people who are already dating. There is no requirement that they cann't be dating before they achieve it. Just because a relationship isn't perfect at the start that doesn't mean it can't get stronger. Maybe it won't be his form of genuine genuine but that doesn't mean it s a complete farce.
Why are you ignoring that he actually has feelings for her in ANOTHER?
>He also chooses not to have that type of relationship with Yukino in ANOTHER.
Yukino's problems are really romantically linked so Yui and 8man can help her, together.
>>141817123
Blame Watari. We could have had a conclusion months ago, but nope, we get harem instead. No one asked for ANOTHER.
>>141817115
That's not the same thing as saying Yui really understands Yukino's pathos though. She knows she can pressure her, but she doesn't know just how fundamentally unhealthy it is for Yukino and her life's direction for her to be so indecisive about what she wants.
>>141817123
It's better than the same old Iroha memes and the same old pictures of girls holding pregnancy tests.
When it gets to the level of abject shitposting then it will be time to spam memes to end it.
>>141817115
>Yui very well knows Yukino has trouble turning Yui down. That has been made very clear in the series.
Yeah but Yui didn't ask for Yukino's help. She looked helpless and Yukino stepped up for her to assist her and tell Haruno to fuck herself.
Big difference.
>>141817210
This. Yukino basically says she will cover her flaws, not solve them herself. Yui has no way of knowing that.
>>141817200
>Why are you ignoring that he actually has feelings for her in ANOTHER?
I'm not. I'm simply telling you that the relationship Hachiman and Yui have is not one where they know each other. It's also something they will never have.
>>141794947
why's statingthe obvious?
>>141817424
>Yeah but Yui didn't ask for Yukino's help. She looked helpless and Yukino stepped up for her to assist her and tell Haruno to fuck
herself.
That's only in the final moment of ANOTHER. I'm talking about the series as a whole.
So is it confirmed for sure that volume 12 is the end? If that's true will the anime likely go the movie route if they adapt the final volume? Will Feel still do the movie if this happens?
Searching "yahari seishun machigatteiru -rape -netorare -mind"
-translated yield 65 while english yield 27
Oh wait, that also count non-h
16/48 if only doujin count
>>141817506
>not one where they know each other.
They know eachother plenty and seem like they will get closer by the end. 8man himself tells Yui they will have more dates. There is no reason to think they won't grow. It may not be the exact genuine he wanted but it isn't bad. Her feelings for him are genuine.
>>141817579
>I'm talking about the series as a whole.
Yeah but Yui didn't take advantage of Yukino with emotional appeal in this one particular instance. You can argue she unknowingly took advantage of Yukino's problems.
>>141817682
I don't know that it's confirmed 100%. WW said in vol 6's afterward that the series was halfway through. Since we've gotten one ending to the series, it is highly likely the real ending is coming up very soon.
>>141817724
Wut?
>>141817745
>Yeah but Yui didn't take advantage of Yukino with emotional appeal in this one particular instance.
She didn't have to. ANOTHER's infirmary scene did the same thing to Yukino as it did to Yui in the main series. It made Yukino aware that Hachiman and Yui have feelings for one another, so she backed off.
Have you embraced the inevitable ending to this story yet?
>>141817115
>What did I know about Yukino Yukinoshita? She was easily coerced by Yuigahama, that she liked cats, that she spent her weekends watching cat videos while hugging a Pan-san plushie.
>spent her weekends watching cat videos
I.. I..
If ANOTHER continued Yukino would
a) go into doll mode
b) WA2
c) Yui and 8man will realize they need to help her and do so
>>141817872
I don't remember that. All I noticed was she figured that Yui and 8man had a bond and seemed satisfied by it. When it dawned on her she didn't seem like she liked it for a split second.
>>141817872
So Yui really didn't do anything wrong. Are you trying to say Yui would use Yukino if she didn't give her the assist?
>>141817999
There's a fourth possibility. She manages on her own to overcome her issues in the years ahead, but is left permanently scarred by it. It's the "Sensei end".
Anyone watch DS2? What if Yukino went Hibiki on Haruno?
>>141817999
>>141818109
Actually there's yet another possibility which Sensei alludes to in vol 9: someone else could cross the line for Yukino and help her.
I think those two along with perma-doll mode are the three most likely outcomes of ANOTHER:
1) Perma-doll
2) Yukino manages through all sorts of family drama to overcome her issues but is left broken and filled with regrets ala Sensei.
3) In the future, she meets someone else who helps her.
Yui and Hachiman will never do it and I don't think WA2 end was something WW was trying to hint at. I'm guessing no matter what she drifts apart from Yui/Hachiman over time.
>>141818088
I'm not saying Yui would use Yukino that late in the game. Technically, Yui's first request was to help her make cookies so she could give them to Hachiman. Yukino fulfilled that request in ANOTHER. That's why both of their recipes reference back to the first day in the Service Club.
What I'm saying is that Yui has emotionally manipulated Yukino into doing things she didn't want to do several times throughout the series. Also, Yui's primary goal has always been to get Hachiman. In the last stretch of ANOTHER Yui didn't need to emotionally manipulate Yukino, because Yukino is fully convinced Yui is her friend and she would swallow her feelings for said friendship. However, whether Yui is going to be willing to stay friends with Yukino in the main series in the case that Hachiman chooses Yukino, I wouldn't be too certain of that.
>>141818345
>I'm guessing no matter what she drifts apart from Yui/Hachiman over time.
And so will Hachiman and Yui. That's not a relationship that is built to last.
>>141818403
>However, whether Yui is going to be willing to stay friends with Yukino in the main series in the case that Hachiman chooses Yukino, I wouldn't be too certain of that.
I will choose to believe Yui will be okay with it in the end. 8man himself wants this and thinks they are great friends.
>>141818403
>What I'm saying is that Yui has emotionally manipulated Yukino into doing things she didn't want to do several times throughout the series
What is friend
>>141818345
>Yui and Hachiman will never do it
They might notice she is not okay. 8man can smell a fake smile on her.
>she drifts apart from Yui/Hachiman over time.
I don't see why. She likes their company.
>>141818688
> I don't see why. She likes their company.
Because it's not genuine. And furthermore volume R exposed that it's extremely unhealthy in ANOTHER, particularly Yukino/Yui.
A friendship that requires you to swallow your feelings and pretend to be something you're not is not a good friendship to have, no matter what.
Perma-doll Yukino might stay in touch, but you figure probably not because she will only do what her mother or whoever wants her to do. The other two, I really don't see the friendship lasting.
>>141818820
Since Yukino decides to swallow her feelings for 8man she is no longer in love with him so that issue is out of the way.
>and pretend to be something you're not
Yukino is only going to hide her flaws under the snow but that doesn't mean spring won't come.
>>141818820
Even Watari, I mean, Haruno says it's unnatural.
>“How about you? Have you made a choice already?” She said not looking away from the package.
>“Ah? Oh, I’ve bought the present some time ago.”
>The question seemed out of left field, but judging by context she was asking about Yukinoshita’s present. But Haruno-san shook her head no while smiling, then slowly turned to me while looking square in the eye. It’s how snake turns its head while tracking the target.
>“Not that. I meant you three,” She clarified and I froze. Her black eyes were clear and bright, but I didn’t see the bottom in them; it’s like they trapped my soul. If I try to learn about her motives, explain the question, I’m going to end up in a state where I won’t be able not to answer. That meant I could only do one thing. I opened my mouth and uttered without a pause:
>“Us three? I usually don’t express my opinion in groups. That’s how it was during the summer trip and the school trip too. This looks noble.”
>“I like your mannerisms,” Haruno-san replied and smiled charmingly. Tension in the air had disappeared somewhat, but her eyes were still dark, and I knew for sure this wasn’t the end.
>“I don’t really care who you choose. But you don’t think it’ll end just like that, do you? It’s unnatural.”
>>141818548
>8man himself wants this and thinks they are great friends.
That is the best evidence that they aren't real friends. 8man is almost never right on these sort of things.
>>141819005
She doesn't just stop being in love with him instantly when she swallows her feelings. That only means that she's going to hide them. Seeing him a lot won't help make those feelings dissipate, though.
> that doesn't mean spring won't come.
Spring comes at the end of vol 11, which takes a completely different trajectory from ANOTHER. Ultimately, if WW intends for us to believe that will happen in ANOTHER, he would have shown us or given us clear indication. You can't think it will. The point of ANOTHER is that it won't.
>>141819010
>>“I don’t really care who you choose.
Then why did she drop him like something old when he went on Yui's route?
>But you don’t think it’ll end just like that, do you? It’s unnatural.”
I thought she was referring to their situation as a trio.
>>141819193
>Then why did she drop him like something old when he went on Yui's route?
She just wanted him to choose so he'd stop keeping both of them on a leash like that. But you're right, Haruno dropped interest in him the second he chose Yui.
>I thought she was referring to their situation as a trio.
It is. If Hachiman chooses one, there's no way that the three of them staying together is natural.
>>141819130
>She doesn't just stop being in love with him instantly when she swallows her feelings
It is the first step. Seeing Yui and 8man happy together will speed the process up.
>he would have shown us or given us clear indication.
WW is anything but clear so maybe there are clues we still haven't found.
> You can't think it will. The point of ANOTHER is that it won't.
Without hope it is bleak. As it stands now it seems like ANOTHER is only Yui's good end, 8man's normal end, and Yukino's bad end.
>>141818820
>A friendship that requires you to swallow your feelings and pretend to be something you're not is not a good friendship to have, no matter what.
It is good if it allows one break out from their shell/trying something new or discarding old shell.
>>141819542
Doesn't happen in another.
>>141819513
> Seeing Yui and 8man happy together will speed the process up.
Have you ever been in love? I'm not sure that you have. Yukino and her buried, hidden feelings are due for nothing but agony in the coming period if she keeps spending time with Yui and Hachiman.
> Without hope it is bleak.
Not necessarily, because Yukino's fate is ambiguous. Just not ambiguous in the way you are thinking/hoping. See >>141818345
there are several ways Yukino can get better that don't involve either Yui or Hachiman and which are directly alluded to in previous volumes.
>>141819389
>She just wanted him to choose so he'd stop keeping both of them on a leash like that
How is he keeping them on a leash? He hasn't really led them on, he just hasn't given them feedback. They are the ones who are hesitating.
>Haruno dropped interest in him the second he chose Yui.
I thought she liked 8man herself.
>If Hachiman chooses one, there's no way that the three of them staying together is natural.
It happened in ANOTHER though. They are still together. Yui and Yukino's friendship is strong in ANOTHER and maybe Yukino is emotionally mature enough not to stop being someone's friend just because they are with 8man. It isn't as if 8man rejected Yukino in favor of Yui.
>>141817957
That's the reason why 8man bought her those yellow lens glare reducing glasses
>>141819798
>How is he keeping them on a leash?
>“Not good at deception……”
>Those were the words that Komachi had used to describe me, but the me of today could not readily accept that with conviction. I would never try and get close to others, but, neither would I take the initiative to distance myself from others. I was aware of what I was doing, drawing a clear line, plainly covering it up, trying harder than usual to dull it, not dwelling on it, playing the role of the observer to the extreme. I had always known that I was placing myself in an unfair position. In order to not confront it, to not acknowledge the discomfort and unease that had always been bugging me, I had chosen to keep my distance. I was more than aware of it, that I did this so that I would not make any blunder. I know that there is only one answer and that this was not it. Even so, I still wanted to suppress them. That is why, this was probably why that person could see through my intentions. Once more, a voice from within tormented me. Are you really such a person, Hikigaya Hachiman? Is this really what you wish for, you bastard? Stupid noisy fellow. Don’t just go running your mouth and shut the hell up when you don’t know anything about me. In the end, from then on, I lapsed into silence.
>I thought she liked 8man herself.
Think again.
>It happened in ANOTHER though. They are still together. Yui and Yukino's friendship is strong in ANOTHER
It's unnatural. I kind of feel like you don't understand this series.
>>141819542
No, such a friendship is never a good thing, even in your case. And in ANOTHER, she does not by any means break her shell, try something new, or discard a shell. In fact she adds even more layers of snow to it.
She is no better off at the end of ANOTHER than she was on the day Hachiman came in the door. In fact, it's even worse because she's just as much of an indecisive coward and now she has an unhealthy friendship with Yui who hurts her and doesn't even realize she's doing so because she doesn't truly understand Yukino.
>>141819795
>Have you ever been in love?
Nope. I have never had a crush either.
>Yukino and her buried, hidden feelings are due for nothing but agony
She is the one who chose that fate. It shouldn't hurt since she knows what to expect.
>if she keeps spending time with Yui and Hachiman.
Well, is it does actually hurt bad then she will run away from them sooner than anticipated. We know she runs from emotions.
>because Yukino's fate is ambiguous.
With this uncertainty we have to look for signs. I am just holding out for positive signs. The sign we have been given so far isn't pretty.
>there are several ways Yukino can get better that don't involve either Yui or Hachiman and which are directly alluded to in previous volumes.
We that is good if it happens. I am just saying it might be Yukino's bad end for 8man's story.
>>141820127
>, it's even worse because she's just as much of an indecisive coward and now she has an unhealthy friendship with Yui
I would argue that having a buried crush on someone who is just a few feet away from you also makes things worse than when she started. When she was truly alone she didn't have people to make her happy but she also didn't have people who could hurt her.
>>141820152
I agree it's a 'bad end' for Yukino overall. How bad is unknown. WW isn't going to write a truly soul crushing outcome for any girl. Even Yui in vol 12 I suspect will get hurt and rejected but won't go all pic related over it.
But the path to Yukino getting better in ANOTHER doesn't run through Yui/Hachiman. I feel pretty sure about that.
>>141820089
>It's unnatural.
Only if deep down they value being with 8man more than eachother. 8man doesn't seem to think they are those sort of girls.
>that quote
I get what you mean. Still though, they can cut the leash themselves or they can take a step towards him.
>>141819828
And the plot just have to make them bump into spring
>>141820127
What else friendship based off? f you stay like this, that is like Haruno shitting up on them 3. You aren't saving those shut-in if you can't drag them.
They need friendship, not paid profesional emotional support/psycholog/motivator
>>141820239
>Even Yui in vol 12 I suspect will get hurt and rejected but won't go all pic related over it.
Naw, I think Yui will cry but have some sort of beautiful moment but fuck off from 8man's life hurting him.
>But the path to Yukino getting better in ANOTHER doesn't run through Yui/Hachiman.
Maybe Hayama stops being a cuck and helps her.
>>141820410
> What else friendship based off?
It's based off of genuine understanding and mutual support. Not on one-sided dependency and suppressing your feelings.
There is simply no indication in ANOTHER that Yui or Hachiman understand Yukino, even really care about understanding Yukino, and have any motivation to cross the line for her sake.
She is cast to a third wheel that passively accepts being run over by her friends who don't know they are running her over. It's an awful relationship and mustn't last. And if somehow it did that would be a truly horrible outcome for Yukino.
That doesn't mean she won't make real friends in the future, though. But these didn't cut it.
>>141820539
Yes, yes, yes, no. Finally we have a common points but for the last one, I want to see them be saved without changing their character (refer to 8man monologue in season 1 about 'holding your feet on ground' is not running away, while changing yourself is. Drastically changing up their way of thought will leave reader with 3 more emotionless haruno clones
>>141820612
8man is wrong in the beginning. His character does need to be changed. And it does change throughout the series.
I don't see how we are headed to Haruno clones. Haruno became who she is through a very different set of circumstances. You could say if Hachiman allowed Yukino to depend on him and be in doll mode following him, his final state might be like Haruno. Since Haruno in vol 10 third memorandum suggests that's the root of what made her who she is.
>>141820715
>Since Haruno in vol 10 third memorandum suggests that's the root of what made her who she is.
Hold on. Are you implying that Yukino relying on Haruno is what made Haruno who she is? Because that's wrong. The thing that has made Haruno what she is today is the expectations her family and society has of her.
>>141820715
>that's the root of what made her who she is.
God, it's Saori episode all over again. I wonder how Haruno generation of 8man act like
>>141820831
Well, I guess it comes down to "who she is". Third memorandum explains why she has the outlook on life that she has and it helps explain her near-obsession with trying to fix Yukino.
She also has that facade that gets mentioned a few times. That is based on her family and social pressures. But the ugly core underneath is due in large part to her history with her sister.
> Every time I had that feeling, there were sudden echoes.
> I’m being relied on. I’m being relied on.
> Lending my ears to those words that I thought to be the sweet whispers of a devil brought my gradual transformation into a monster of reliance.
> It’s when you came to realize your own evil that you become desperate to suppress it. In masking it away, others saw it as the truth, and eventually, it became something natural to you that it turned into the truth itself.
> I was thrown into an endless loop of doubt as to whether if that’s really all. I could no longer make the distinction on my own.
> That’s why, perhaps, I had been waiting for that person who could surely see right through me.
"Monster of reliance" is what Haruno is. Yukino has played a major role in that.
>>141820831
>>141821040
>"Monster of reliance" is what Haruno is. Yukino has played a major role in that.
Literally how, when Haruno herself says Yukino has never asked her for help. Yes, Yukino has followed in Haruno's shadow, but I don't think Haruno and Yukino have that type of relationship where Haruno helped her out with, well, anything. Certainly not when they were younger.
>>141821040
> It’s when you came to realize your own evil that you become desperate to suppress it. In masking it away, others saw it as the truth, and eventually, it became something natural to you that it turned into the truth itself.
Why does it hurts here.
> That’s why, perhaps, I had been waiting for that person who could surely see right through me.
So, Haruno already hit bad end before?
>>141821209
Yukino never asked her because Yukino never had to ask. It was just understood. That's Yukino's thing. She silently projects expectations and then holds people to them. She does this several times with Hachiman early on and even with Yui which (partially) leads to drama and culminates in the genuine scene.
After that she finally expresses herself to Hachiman:
> Help me, someday
That was more than Haruno or Hayama or anyone in the past ever got from her. Yukino did not ask anything of anyone, but the reliance and dependency was still there.
>>141821040
So Haruno is the way she is because of Yukino and not because her parents literally mapped out her entire life for her?
>“So does that mean you’re a university student, Haruno-san?”
>“Yep. I go to a nearby national university for sciences and technology.”
>“Wow… So smart… That’s Yukinon’s onee-san for you.”
>“I really wanted to go somewhere better, but my parents told me otherwise, see.”
>While Yuigahama looked surprise out of admiration, Haruno-san wore a slightly, complicated smile. Indeed. If you were going to assume a position in a local corporate, going to a local university seems to be the right fit.
why's there no goddam good doujins of Iroha on panda?
>>141821390
I don't think it's just one thing. But Yukino is a major part of it.
There is a deeply unhealthy side to Haruno that is obsessed with her sister. There's a reason for that beyond just "Helping my cute sister whom I love". They have both been scarred by their past with each other.
>>141821407
They haven't been scanned yet
>>141821345
>That's Yukino's thing. She silently projects expectations and then holds people to them.
That's not true. If you're referring to the "I thought we both hated superficiality" then you have to realize that was Yukino's final logical attempt to stop Hachiman from hurting himself after trying all sorts of other things first.
>even with Yui
No. Yukino has never projected any type of expectations on Yui. Come now.
>Hayama or anyone in the past ever got from her
Yukino has asked Hayato for help, he simply didn't do anything.
>>141808710
No worries, she's also a "user"
Yukino will drop 8man once a tall, arm Pan-san comes into her life.
>>141819795
Yui is aware Yukino likes 8man so it really isn't hidden.
that last episode was a little confusing for me, so Yui wanted to know how they all feel, but still wanted them to be together, she said it was a request too, and yukino likes 8man just like yui, but would also like things to stay like they are since one of them confessing would end the club, but 8man thinks its just a big convenient lie and wants her to be herself?
AND THEN THERES THAT FUCKING REQUEST CLIFFHANGER
did I get it right-ish?
>>141794947
best girl for you sure, but not for 8-man
>>141821826
Yukino's feelings for 8man are just the tip of the iceberg. There is a vast sea of personal problems that Yui has no knowledge of. To Yui, it was just two girls going for a boy and one had to win. She did not realize how bad it was for Yukino.
>>141821828
Kind of. Yui is aware that Yukino has feelings for him as well. If all three of them express their feelings, then there's no way that they can stay together as they are. Yui is essentially making Yukino choose between staying together as a group or her feelings for Hachiman.
oh, I forgot to ask, how faithful is the anime to the LN? up to what volume does season 2 go?
Does an awakened Yukino have mercy?
>>141821925
Nope. Not if the un-genuine girl is standing in the way of the rotten eyed Pan-san Yukino desires.
>>141821879
Yui knows how bad it would feel if she didn't get him so she should know it isn't sunshine and gumdrops. Is she willing to do that to Yukino in order to get 8man and prevent it happening to her?
this show gives me vibes of kimagure orange road very hard.
the love triangle is similar with yui being a bit like hikaru and ayukawa and kyosuke being a bit more alike as are yukino and 8man.
it's even a bit whimsical in a nihilistic sense. i honestly like both characters and applaud yui's spunk even if i'm a sucker for the yukino tsun.
enjoyed this anime so far.
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I really want there to be an all out Yui/Yukino war for Hachiman in vol 12. The entertainment value would be immense.
But there's not going to happen. My guess is whatever Yukino's request, Hachiman is going to say something to Yui afterwards that will give her hope to push on to the end (which won't be a lie on his part, because I don't think he's decided on Yukino right now by any means even though it's inevitable that he'll choose her). This will prolong Yui's agony until near the end, her ship taking on more and more water, until finally a solid hit to starboard side sinks it once and for all.
>>141822780
I think there's a chance Yui might leave early on and the rest of it becomes Hachiman and Yukino confronting Yukino's family, with Yukino doing most of the work.
>>141822846
I thought about an early Yui exit. If it's the last volume, he doesn't have to care about appeasing Yuifags.
But I think she'll stay on to the end or near to the end anyway. My guess is that unless Yukino's request directly applies to only Hachiman and is romance related, she will stay invested in helping Yukino no matter what and then duck out after that is over.
>>141822780
No, as soon as one girl confesses the other will also. Hachiman will torpedo one or both. Likely Yui gets it below the waterline
>>141823007
The question is how will they confess? I find it unlikely that the girls are going to press him for an answer right there with both of them present. And if they do they likely won't get an answer because I doubt he's settled in his mind right now on that.
Probably this cliffhanger is going to resolve itself with Yukino's request front and center and romance at least partially on the backburner (but at the forefront of everyone's minds). Then the two girls will start making their advances afterwards. I think Yui's moment will come before Yukino but still a good ways into the story. Yukino's might wait until the very end.
>>141823115
Impossible for one to confess without the other finding out soon after and being pressured to also express feelings long harbored. Good for the story if Hachiman grows to be able to hurt one. More to the point, Yui is going feet first into the metaphorical wood chipper
>>141823421
If one confesses and gets rejected, it doesn't then become necessary for the other to immediately confess.
>>141794947
Agreed.
I'm starting to think that Watari's ending for ANOTHER is the final nail in the coffin for Yuifags.
>Yui confesses
>Hachiman stops searching for the GENUINE
>Yukino didn't confess and supported Yui instead but Hachiman knows it
>Teacher didn't even talk to Hachiman
>Hachiman knows that this relationship will soon be over once he gets fed up with it
Get over it Yuifags. This is basically the author's way of saying that Yui will never win in the canon universe because Hachiman and Yukino are both bind by their desire to find the genuine thing in each other.
Yui will default halfway through Vol 12 because Hachiman and Yukino will have a time alone by themselves again where they will finally confess their feelings for each other - Hachiman would admit that Yui will get hurt (thereby also hurting Yukino) and he will reason out that it's necessary for a person to get hurt to realize what's genuine for them. Next day, Yukino and Hachiman continues the same routine in the club also hinting to Yui that something happened between them. Club ends, Yukino and Hachiman goes home together while holding hands, Yui is in the far distance staring at them as she reads Hachiman's message to her that he and Yukino are now in a relationship. Yui accepts this and default to support them. Rest of Volume 12 is about the group confronting Haruno, ending in a cliffhanger with Haruno asking if what Yukino and Hachiman did to Yui is indeed fair.
Volume 13 will be the final volume, opening with Yukino and Hachiman both telling Haruno that they're fine with it because they found the genuine in each other. Haruno then congratulates Hachiman but it just feeds off Hachiman's guilt for Yui, resulting in him confronting Yui alone and telling her that he's sorry for leading her on. Yukino and Hachiman will go together to a different university away from Yui and co, both on the same field. Ending will be a talk between Hachiman and Sensei discussing if he actually made the right choice.
Why don't they share 8man? They don't seem to be possessive girls.
>>141823799
>but Hachiman knows it
He has no fucking clue she likes him in ANOTHER.
>>Hachiman knows that this relationship will soon be over once he gets fed up with it
Are you high? 8man is quite hopeful about his relationship with Yui.
Yui got an end that was more or less happy. Deal with it.
>>141823813
That would never work.
You would have a couple deeply in love dragging their pet around and showing them with lesser amounts of affection.
I fail to see any arrangement under those conditions that wouldn't result in the group breaking apart.
>>141823926
Not the guy you are responding to.
> Yui got an end that was more or less happy.
For her, and for the version of Hachiman that has abandoned genuine, yes. For Yukino, no.
>>141823799
>ending in a cliffhanger with Haruno asking if what Yukino and Hachiman did to Yui is indeed fair.
No. Haruno doesn't care about Yui. Haruno wanted them to confront this shit.
>Volume 13 will be the final volume
No
>opening with Yukino and Hachiman both telling Haruno that they're fine with it because they found the genuine in each other. Haruno then congratulates Hachiman but it just feeds off Hachiman's guilt for Yui
No
>resulting in him confronting Yui alone and telling her that he's sorry for leading her on. Yukino and Hachiman will go together to a different university away from Yui and co, both on the same field.
No. Just like how Yukino didn't matter in the entirety of ANOTHER, Yui isn't going to matter in Volume 12. Volume 12 is full on Yukino route. You're placing way too much of an emphasis on Yui's importance for the final stretch of the series. Yui's final arc was in Volume 11.
>>141823966
It isn't that bad. All she does is put on the cuck hat and sends herself to the corner. We don't know if this is actually a bad end for her.
>>141824025
Yui is another wall Yukino has to climb. As much as Yui supports Yukino in some instances Yui is not prepared to hand over Hikki just yet. This is a small part of the story but it still exists.
>>141823799
Pt 2
Volume 12 will be released in July/August, depending when will Watari stop to get involved with his anime projects. Notice that seasons are an overarching theme in OreGairu; Vol 12 will get released in Fall because it's where Yui would lose to Yukino causing her to eventually distance herself away from them after Hachiman and Yukino confronts her. Hachiman and Yukino would both acknowledge that they hurt Yui but this is necessary in order for them to actually the genuine relationship that they want. Volume 13 will be released in November/December, with Hachiman saying something about how he found the genuine thing in a cold place.
The talk between Sensei and Hachiman would end with Haruno arriving and Sensei congratulating Hachiman for finally being true to himself and her saying to Haruno to be stronger than Hachiman. Volume 13 then ends with a time skip and both Hachiman and Yukino are off to their university lives musing about the past.
>>141824154
>Yui is another wall Yukino has to climb
Sure, but I don't think the focus will be on Yui, like at all.
>>141824161
As the other guy said, you are putting too much emphasis on Yui, other people thinking and talking about Yui, feeling guilty about Yui, etc. Although I don't think Yui will be a nonfactor in vol 12, she will not be at the forefront.
Also you are not emphasizing enough Yukino's family issues (such as her mom) and her future plans. That's what is going to be really front and center in vol 12. The romance will be an impetus and developing alongside that.
>>141823926
>He has no fucking clue she likes him in ANOTHER.
>Are you high? 8man is quite hopeful about his relationship with Yui.
>Yui got an end that was more or less happy. Deal with it.
Anon, I don't think your reading comprehension is good enough. I'm saying that Yui indeed won in ANOTHER because Watari decided to ignore Yukino route and go on about how Yui made Hachiman realized his true self. This is not the genuine ending and 8man's "hope" about his relationship with Yui will not last because it's not even genuine in the first place.
>>141824025
Yui's feelings for Hachiman will need to get addressed in order for Hachiman and Yukino to finally move on from the ingenuity in their group. It's necessary unless Watari wants to BTFO Yuifags AGAIN.
>>141824260
Yeah she won't be the focus but 8man will have some hurt feelings on his hands. Yui will be dealt with. She will play a part, I don't think she will fade and disappear without something.
Why the fuck is all the Iroha merch so shit.
>>141824161
I seriously doubt there will be two more volumes. And if there are, they won't be released that close together and our agonizing wait will be extended even further.
Now it's possible volume 12 will be a larger volume than normal.
>>141824270
I don't think Yukino's family issues would be the center of the last volumes. I doubt that Watari would spend 80% of a volume talking about family issues when he could just simply wrap it up by making Yukino and Hachiman confront Haruno and winning her to their side because Haruno is the key factor that would make Yukino's parents let go of her. Maybe Yukino and Hachiman would confront together Yukino's parents and it would be quickly wrapped up in 2 - 3 pages then that's it. The final volume would need to resemble WA2's anime ending in some way or another with the exception of Hachiman musing about genuity.
What did they find on 8man's computer?
>>141824431
I kind of want to say something to insult her, but it's too easy, so pass.
Why do Yuifags keep pushing "Yukino had a good end in ANOTHER"? Even if she didn't get a bad end she didn't get a good one either.
>>141824442
Well it won't just be that. But that will undoubtedly be the main part. You also have to wrap up Iroha, the side characters, Komachi, etc. I think the Yukino family issue won't be handled in one scene. There will be struggle, setbacks, and triumph before it's over.
Although I will admit it's hard to imagine how it happens narrative-wise, because you wouldn't expect Hachiman to be present for all of it. Unless Yukino wins the 8bowl early on and then drags him around for support. That's why I imagined vol 12 will have some extended sections that are not from Hachiman's PoV. Similar to memorandums but more fleshed out.
>>141824442
>Yukino's parents and it would be quickly wrapped up in 2 - 3 pages then that's it
So one of the things the entire series has been building up to, especially starting from volume 10, is going to be dealt with in 3 pages. That's highly likely not how it is going to play out. Hachiman and Yukino (and maybe Yui, depending on how soon in the volume she leaves) are going to confront Haruno first. Then they're going to confront Yukino's mother the following day. Maybe Yukino's request is something along the lines of: wait until I solve my family issues, then we'll continue this. That's also possible.
>>141794947
At being a slut, yes
>>141824511
>trap porn
>>141823466
There will not be immediate rejection, Hachiman will do the couch cricket thing for hours agonizing over answer
>>141824702
She can't ask Yui to stop pursuing Hachiman until issues resolved, that's just as BS a ploy as Yui's, trying to control Yui's future. rejected!
>Yukinofags: yeah she's going to win, deal with it
>Irohafags: she'll probably not win but still, Iroha a best
>Yuifags: fuck you faggots, Yui is going to win
>Whofags: MIA
>Sakifags: trap this, trap that, we love the trap and so does 8man
>Harunofags: it's all part of her plan
Did I miss anything?
>>141824961
I disagree, but we'll see. I think the agonizing by 8man, particularly in regards to Yui, is going to happen in the lead up to any confession.
>>141825147
I may not care for Iroha, but I can respect them more than the Yuifags and Yukinofags.
>>141825147
>whofags
is that supposed to be anyone that wasnt listed?
>>141825147
Don't let Irohafags deceive you into thinking that they don't expect their girl to win.
Sure a certain number of them are that way. But a slippery minority believe in her 'safe tile' strategy and think she's going to win by default in the end. If Iroha fails to win like most expect, they will become very very scarce.
>>141825147
Yes, Irohafags fully expect Iroha to win.
>>141825383
To be fair Iroha's only real shot is if the club burns and YY get ugly with eachother leading 8man to run away.
>>141825208
8man would still hurt rejecting Yui.
>>141825383
>>141825407
Didn't we just have a thread a couple of days ago with Irohafags proclaiming that she was going to win?
>>141825383
She wants Hachiman for husband far in the future when he is writer or editor or related, long after the boyfriend/girlfriend oregairu romances play out.
>>141825474
Basically Irohafags are like the underdogs in a football game. If she wins they'll say "Boom! I fucking called it! Yukino overrated" But if she loses they'll say "Shit we never thought she was going to win anyway so we ain't even mad".
This is how they are.
>>141825623
But that's cowardly.
>>141825623
Sounds like a healthy mindset to me, what's the problem?
>>141825528
> long after the boyfriend/girlfriend oregairu romances play out
No, that will never happen. If Iroha wins, it will mean every service club tie is broken and she'll be the last girl standing. There's no other way than that. It's not going to skip to the future and he's married to her mysteriously.
Her victory would happen coincident to the rest of the romances playing out. Although it would get resolved at the end, it won't be separated by a "far in the future" length of time.
>>141825696
It's deceitful. Irohafags will be in denial about their asspain while hiding behind a lie that they never expected her to win.
If you have been in Oregairu threads for a long time, you know a great deal of Irohafags believe she will win. Don't allow them to claim otherwise when she loses.
>>141825908
>It's deceitful
Then it's very much in character with their waifu.
>>141825957
True enough I admit.
Why don't Yui and Yukino just agree not to let 8man get between them and promise not to be completely asshurt if he dates one of them?In ANOTHER I wonder if Yukino knows Yui knows she likes him.
>>141825859
There is nothing wrong with meeting with Iroha sometime in 8man's twenties and hook up with her afterward.
>>141826579
Iroha will have found some other person by then.
>>141826579
There's nothing wrong with it. I'm just saying that will never happen. There won't be any long time skip even though some Irohafags fantasize about it.
If she wins, she'll be in a relationship with him in high school because everyone else will be out of it.
>>141794947
http://g.e-hentai.org/g/622943/a18e7a4481/
I'll just leave this here, perhaps convert a few...
>>141826663
that is up to WW to decide.
>>141826716
It would help if the art was decent.
>>141826714
>but muh author's tweet
>>141826714
>If she wins, she'll be in a relationship with him in high school because everyone else will be out of it.
How could YY wreck their relationship with him so badly he flees into the arms of another girl?
