>It's a Bogue episode
>>141774817
>it's a bogue thread again
>>141774817
Freyja is Hayate's
He'll have to find his own
The true love story of Macross Delta Part 1
The true love story of Macross Delta Part 2
The true love story of Macross Delta Part 3
Love is Energy
Love is Mysterious
Love is Life
Love is Love!
Lend Your Eyes to The Goddesses Who Love Each-other
>instead of kawamori triangle we get everyone wants to fuck frefre
everything went better than expected
Super Dimensional Love! Mikueyja!
>>141774817
all of this del/u/sion
have some actual pairing pic
>>141775776
I have bad news: you're as delusional as him, anon.
>>141775707
Basically this.
>Hayate/Freyja
>Mirage/Freyja
>Mikumo/Freyja
>Bogue/Freyja
>Fans already talking about Keith/Freyja and Roid/Freyja.
>>141775818
And Heinz/Freyja.
>>141775816
>Main boy
>Main girl
What about that is delusional?
>>141775816
>>141775901
That no one is in love yet.
>>141775953
The promotional material and opening already tell us what the triangle will be.
This retarded faggot is just full of shit. His YT channel does fit him as pathetic excuse of a critic.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYI1iwm8cT8
>>141775818
You forgot her childhood friend from Windermere >>141756115. Freyja probably forgot about him too, but he is a really nice guy.
>>141776052
Freyja - Hayate - Mikumo (in Mirage's body)?
>almost episode 10
>no romance yet
>yurishitters are coming up their own delusional pairs because of this and are spamming the threads with it
God damnit Kawamori
>>141776052
But we don't know yet if Freyja and Hayate will be a pairing, that's the delusion. Maybe it's something like Freyja has a one sided crush on Hayate who has a crush on Mirage.
>>141776171
>no romance yet
The fish slut.
>>141776052
>The promotional material and opening already tell us what the triangle will be.
But romance isn't guaranteed. Platonic triangle could be a thing.
>>141776171
coming up with*
>>141775818
They should be talking about Roid and Mikumo. He is a scientist and she is so shinpi.
>>141776245
Platonic triangle is a fucking oxymoron.
>>141775818
All these will never be canon
>>141776289
>implying Kawamori would give a fuck
>>141776406
Then it's not a triangle.
>>141776466
3 points makes a triangle
>>141776273
Roid is used goods, he had rune sex with Keith.
>>141776506
If there isn't romance involved, those points don't exist.
>>141776562
it might not be a love triangle, but it's still a triangle.
>>141776506
Actually wouldn't it look more like a delta if the two lower points don't connect?
>>141776627
Mental gymnastics.
>>141776506
>>141776650
The Three tenets of Macross are VFs, Music, and LOVE Triangles.
Not triangles.
>>141776688
if that helps you sleep at night
>>141776627
What kind of triangle is it if its not a love one
>>141776650
It would be lambda. Delta means a change.
>>141776710
Macross E won't have a long triangle.
>>141776730
a triangle offriendship
>>141776739
I got my Greek letters mixed up in my head.
>>141776730
VF, music and love makes a triangle.
Kawamori even have said that there are going to be a lot triangles that have nothing to do with romance.
>>141776062
He's just trolling. Don't give him attention.
>>141776755
Does such a thing exist? Because there is no need to compete for friendship, because you can have more than one
>>141776730
The triangle how to use Heinz: King, Keith and Roid.
>>141776822
Why would they compete? They'll cooperate. Just like Alto, Sheryl and Ranka, only without the romance.
>>141776814
>Kawamori even have said that there are going to be a lot triangles that have nothing to do with romance.
that doesn't mean that the usual main love triangle will be non-existent though.
>>141776927
Whats the point of having a triangle within a group friends who no interest in love then
>>141776927
The whole point of a love triangle is the conflict between three people's desire for a relationship. Take away the romantic aspect or some conflict in the relationship would make calling it a triangle pointless.
>>141776968
So far it's non existent (7 episodes) .
>>141777037
>So far
exactly
How's the music compared to frontier?
>>141777116
Music is SUBJECTIVE
for me F> D
>>141776245
Its fucking Macross.
>>141777116
Ive watched Frontier after beginning Delta
I like Frontiers songs more so far
>>141777161
I don't know but yoko kanno + may'n was great.
I just want something of similar quality.
>>141777161
If it's subjective why bother pointing out that it's subjective?
>>141777116
Girls group singing in a cute way
>>141777116
pretty good for me. I haven't found anything that's as annoying as aimo yet. they're trying too keep it fresh with new song per episode or something.
>>141777224
i gave you my subjective taste.
>>141777116
For me, it's the only thing Frontier has upper hand so far compared to Delta. I like Walkure songs, but it's lacking this HOLY SHIT AWESOME feeling many Sheryl songs had.
>>141777291
There is no other kind of taste. That's my point.
>>141777116
It's good, but it still hasn't topped any of Frontier's best yet.
>>141777116
For me they are on par.
>>141777327
And better animation and production values
kanno made better music, but i like the singers more here
>>141777422
>better animation and production values
>implying F was better when it aired 8 yo
>>141776177
>Hayate who has a crush on Mirage.
Hayate will get cucked by VF-31-chan desu.
>>141777116
Different. In a god way
![[Coalgirls]_Macross_Frontier_08_(1280x720_Blu-ray_FLAC)_[2B4C7FB0].mkv_snapshot_17.03_[2016.05.21_00.01.00].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/xayJ0ED.jpg "[Coalgirls]_Macross_Frontier_08_(1280x720_Blu-ray_FLAC)_[2B4C7FB0].mkv_snapshot_17.03_[2016.05.21_00.01.00].jpg")
>>141777422
>Frontier
>Better animation
>Better production values
I recently re-watched Frontier TV and it looks terrible. Scenery is nice, but everything else is full of QUALITY, cheap animation and blatant errors.
>>141777422
Frontier (the TV series not the movies) looks worse then Delta. It's 8 years old anon
>>141777422
>And better animation and production values
you're blind
>>141777116
Valkyrrrrrrriiiiiaa
>>141777422
if we're talking about strictly music, yeah sure. And I'm reffering again, to music being done by Kanno.
>>141777740
Admittedly most of frontier don't look like that, but doesn't change the fact that Delta has less QUALTY overall.
>>141777740
Ah, you reminded me of one thing I'm glad Delta is not reusing from frontier, and that is the dumb as fuck high school angle.
>>141777955
Thats why the movies were better, no highschool
>>141777955
Pantsu chasing episode was the second best episode of Frontier.
>>141778068
And by that I assume every other episode was lumped into the 'best' category
The episode was utter trash
>84 replies
>24 posters
wew
>>141778439
>people are discussing and posting an image on an imageboard
Wew, newfag
>>141777116
Better, way better. The only good songs in F were Sheryl's and those are used and reused a lot so it gets boring.
Delta does the nice thing of playing different songs. Still salty that Ikenai Borderline has only been used once.
Weakest songs have been the ones sang by the hacker lesbos
MEMES ARE FUN
MEMES ARE GAR
MEMES ARE THICC
MEMES ARE NOPE
MEMES ARE SHIT
Episode 02 - Episode 07
>>141778838
And the followup?
It seems every time the aerial knights attack, Roid changes his glasses.
>>141779119
It would be disappointing if he didn't, after they showed his huge collection of spectacles.
>>141778877
The girl with purple hair would have probably given Freyja a run for her money.
>>141778877
Is that a Pokemon FeMC at bottom center?
![[gg] Macross Delta - 05 [720p][AAC].mp4_snapshot_07.58_[2016.05.20_22.46.44].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/eRA4gIY.jpg "[gg] Macross Delta - 05 [720p][AAC].mp4_snapshot_07.58_[2016.05.20_22.46.44].jpg")
>>141779310
I just want him to wear the one in the middle top.
>>141779310
Windemere invasion sponsored by Ray-Ban
I haven't noticed it before, but Messer wears a bracelet on the left arm. I haven't seen that kind of bracelet on any other delta squadron member.
![[gg]_Macross_Delta_-_02_[EA738580].mkv_snapshot_12.37_[2016.05.21_00.49.02].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/EnOpXZ3.jpg "[gg]_Macross_Delta_-_02_[EA738580].mkv_snapshot_12.37_[2016.05.21_00.49.02].jpg")
>>141779450
Nope, she is a stinky fish girl.
Also cat girl in the second row.
>>141779573
Who wants to bet its got something to do with how srs bsns he is?
>>141779051
>>141778887
>Let them read the shitposting of faggots!
>Super Japanese riceball 4chan!!
>>141779644
Dead comrades gift.
Maybe it glows when his health condition gets apparent.
and that's how you keep your tail in check
>>141779589
Okay guys, except for Freyja you have to pick three girls from the audition to form an idol group!
>>141776135
>Hayate- Freyja - Mikumo
Fixed for who the center is.
>>141776466
Kawamori said "not all triangles are about romance" in the latest interview, anon.
>>141779780
Hayate is a good competitor, but he stands no chance against Kumokumo~
>>141779834
Give me a translation of the whole interview so there is no confusion about context then.
>>141779773
Green Narna is a must.
>>141779589
This is the second round of audition and all the girls except for that fishgirl and catgirl are humans (Freyja doesn't count since she didn't take part in 1st round). Don't you think that races would be represented more equally in the 2nd round if auditions were actually fair? I see disgusting xenophobic discrimination of non human girls here. I'm not surprised windermerians decided to fight for equality and push human scum out of their sector.
>>141780059
It was in the archive, you newfag. Go and search for it. Kawamori stated that there will be many triangles and not all will be about romance. He didn't specify which one would be.
We already can guess Arad-Kaname-Messer one is romantic.
>>141779773
Purple, the green haired girl next to Freyja, and then their leader with be the girl with side ponytail
>>141780126
I remember the poster saying he felt that the statement implied that the main triangle is a love triangle because of the way it was worded. Regardless, fuck off faggot.
>>141779773
fish girl, the girl in pink, and cat girl from planet vodor
![[gg]_Macross_Delta_-_03_[F342ECEA].mkv_snapshot_19.22_[2016.05.20_16.24.26].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/UROowYE.jpg "[gg]_Macross_Delta_-_03_[F342ECEA].mkv_snapshot_19.22_[2016.05.20_16.24.26].jpg")
>>141779773
Can I get the Bridge Bunnies instead?
>>141780255
Yeah, that works. So we will change the rules to any non-idol females from the show thus far
>>141780255
>no yuri in my Macross they said
>>141779773
>>141780297
Top girl will be the leader, bottom left will be the center nova/face of group, and bottom right will be ace/lead vocalist
>>141780429
>actually believing this guy
![[gg]_Macross_Delta_-_07_[9517309F].mkv_snapshot_16.16_[2016.05.20_17.19.23].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/KkniOwm.jpg "[gg]_Macross_Delta_-_07_[9517309F].mkv_snapshot_16.16_[2016.05.20_17.19.23].jpg")
>>141780429
Exhibit A, hacker lesbos
>>141775818
It's like Macross 7 and everybody wanting to fuck Basara all over again
>>141776245
>But romance isn't guaranteed.
Kawamori may have called it a faint love triangle but there's still going to be a love triangle eventually.
Do you people just have only two speeds? Either it's Frontier/Evol level shipping or none at all?
>>141780744
When Kawamori uses the expression "faint love" is when the love involved is fake or unfulfilled. He used the same shit for Seven, Ranka/Alto and Minmay->Hikaru.
I won't be surprised if nobody ends up together.
>>141780744
Freya/Hayate
Hayate/Mirage
Mirage/Delta 04
Red Idol/Captain
Messer/Fish Waitress
Hacker Lesbos
Bridge Bunny Trio
And that's on just one side
>>141780878
>Hayate/Mirage
Do you actually see this?
>>141780941
The very early potential is there.
>>141777116
Rune Ga pikatto Hikareba (ED theme) is hundred times better than all Frontier songs combined
>>141780878
Second son/Freyja;_;
>>141777116
May'n is a treasure so I can't honestly call all of Delta's music at her level but I think most of the tracks have been very enjoyable.
As someone else said, so far Makina's and Reina's are the weakest. The rest are good. Also, Frontier doesn't have a song as groovy as the ED
>>141781066
Yeah, its crazy how Freyja and Mikumo are able to harmonize their voice during the chorus of Rune Ga pikatto Hikareba and Ikenai Borderline, so that it becomes one. Really good selection of VA's for singing roles
>>141781220
Yeah, but I think Delta's main singers deserve some props since unlike May'n their singing is all natural and doesn't require autotune.
May's really good with the help she gets from auto-tune, it just sucked that she can't do live
What's with all the May'n love around here? Not to sound contrarian, but overall she sounds a pretty generic J-pop singer
>>141781399
No she sure as hell isn't. Thanks to Kanno too.
>>141781399
May'n is love, May'n is life!
But seriously, I think that her voice is just really powerful and perfect for Sheryl. A lot of songs were really really good. Something like Northern Cross wouldn't sound as good with someone else. In fact, May'n's biggest issue was that NakaMegu can't harmonize with her that well so it tended to sound a bit off when they sang together
>>141781399
Yeah, Kanno made her genericness better for frontier. Which is why she didn't last much longer after
>>141781484
They probably should have added the auto-tine the did for Mayn' to NakaMegu. That way the could have complimented each other a little better. But not everyone sounds good with auto-tune so props to May'n
>>141781495
>Which is why she didn't last much longer after
Hey she's still around!
>>141780941
To be fair, I am pushing it.
At best they as battle buddies as Hikaru/Max, at worst they try to kill each other like Isamu/Guld only to be redeemed at the end
>>141781607
>at worst they try to kill each other like Isamu/Guld only to be redeemed at the end
No, that's Hayate and Messer.
>>141781783
>No, that's Hayate and Messer.
Messer is Hayate's idol, not rival. He looks up him even if he wants to hatefuck him. He isn't in the same level of Messer and never will be.
>>141781484
>n fact, May'n's biggest issue was that NakaMegu can't harmonize with her that well
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t03lQIAwPbU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kr9o-Nd0rmM
>>141777116
7's is better than both
>>141782696
7 has a fair amount of great songs but it would be very large deal to compare the two
Also, it's hard to compare to the two as well as they are different genres of music.
>>141782696
7 had good music but overplayed a small handful of songs way too much.
What I appreciate most about Delta's music is the variety.
>>141780103
The green haired girl besides Freiyja, the other green haired girl at the end of the front row and the light brown haired girl beside cat girl all have pointed ears. They could be human-zentran hybrids.
>>141774817
I need the new episode already
>Poor little Zentradi
>>141777116
It's...different. Frontier did a great job creating a sound that that was befitting of GALACTIC idols. In my mind that was what the future should sound like. Delta has more of a typical anime/idol industry sound. Run ga Pika and Ikenai Borderline are super catchy though and I'm more than satisfied with the direction they went in even if it's not as ambitious as Frontier. Delta has more heart, Frontier had more substance.
>>141783385
Do these niggers know what prisoner of war is? If they can't follow conventions about PoWs we won't follow conventions regarding WMD and civilians too.
>>141777422
>>141783611
Guess they don't, and i wonder are they even know she's Jenius, because hurting her like that is pretty fucked up for Winderemere.
>>141777116
I like Delta's music but some of Sheryl's songs are on a level Delta's not yet been able to reach.
>>141783694
Why would they give a fuck she's a Jenius? In fact, that would make them angrier.
>>141783770
Because that could make other Jenius show up and fuck them up easily.
>>141783694
>hurting her like that
She's the one who picked a fight with the superior race, her fault. She's lucky to get away with some light bruises and no broken bones.
>>141783385
Isn't she 3/4 human 1/4 zentradi?
>>141784038
We don't know who her dad is
>>141783910
>>141783770
>>141783694
Actually, i start to think it seems kidnapping a Jenius family pilot makes more sense for Windermere, they can use her as propaganda.
>>141784038
We don't know her father is human or other race yet.
>>141782489
Holy Moly! I was always pro May'n and NakaMegu having zero harmonization. Whoever composed this did a great job. Made two voices that don't go well naturally, actually sound well together.
I really wish, Freyja and Mikumo had the composers of Frontier. Their voices are going to waste, especially JUNNA's
I started watching Macross 7 and I can't get his song out of my head, how do I stop it?
>>141784075
>>141784158
She's at least half and half.
>>141784195
Take a drill and stick it in your ear
>>141784195
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
>>141784195
Keep listening.
>>141784195
You don't.
>>141784180
>I really wish, Freyja and Mikumo had the composers of Frontier. Their voices are going to waste, especially JUNNA's
No their not.
>>141783859
Do you think they give a fuck when they have shit to do? Why would they worry about a disappointment? If she's weak, then she's better off dead.
>>141784255
I tried that already and now I have multiple songs from Macross 7 stuck in my head..
I want to nibble on Freyja's rune.
>>141784352
Yes they will.
Because Jenius family isn't filled with shitty persons like you.
>Miragefags trying to make her important
It's so cute.
>>141784397
Keep grasping those straws.
>>141784277
Yes, they are.
>>141783611
In Macross the enemy dindu nuffin and sets the stage for UNDERSTANDING end.
In Gundam these enemies are wiped out halfway or near the finale.
>>141784404
It's more cute that after you being ignored in last thread, you start to trying again.
People are discussing not because they're which character's fans, they just want to discuss anything interested them, that's it.
so what's the consensus
Frontier songs or delta songs
>>141784517
I hate to break this to you, but they aren't relevant to Delta. They'll never be. Windermere probably never heard about them as well. Why should they? They are who tier to them.
>>141784568
Read the fuking thread
>>141784579
Anyone joined Spacy would know about them, now think about which Windermeres joined Spacy before.
>>141784364
Try singing along.
>>141784568
Zero
>>141784568
Plus
>>141784568
SDF you uncultured pleb
>>141779119
>All-range Mode
>>141784568
Robotech.
>>141784568
It's hard to compare since we're only a fourth of the way through, so we've probably only heard about half of Delta's songs.
Frontier's OP1 > Delta's OP1
Run Ga Pika = On par with anything Frontier did
Ikenai Borderline = Good Sheryl song
Cosmic Movement = Average Frontier song
The rest of Delta's songs are pretty weak comparatively.
Overall it's probably going to be impossible for Delta to outdo the catalog of Frontier songs, but Delta's best songs should be able to hold their own.
>>141786469
True Robotech had songs with more heart.
>>141786658
>Frontier's OP1 > Delta's OP1
I actually disagree with that
>The rest of Delta's songs are pretty weak comparatively.
Bokura no Senjou and Walkure Attack are really great
>Watch SDF
>Watch Plus OVA
>Watch Macross 7 without watching DYRL
I feel like I am missing on references. Are there any major references to DYRL, or are they all just minor things meant for a quick smile or two?
"stop posting screenshots of roy focker's posts on /a/"
streisand effect?
>>141787966
I just wanted to be able to read the thread without seeing this nigger's posts is that too much to ask for.
>>141787966
Stop posting this cancer. No one cares about that retard's opinions. If I wanted to read dumb comments I would be posting on Tumblr or Youtube, not here.
I think some people are just delusional with their theories. They aren't mistreating Mirage or not because she's a Jenius/she's not a Jenius/they don't know.
Mirage and Hayate probably attacked them or tried to resist getting arrested and got the shit beaten out them for being dumbfucks. Bogue attacks Freyja because of his hateboner and Hayate shields her and takes the beating instead.
There's no grand 'scheme' here at play. It's Bogue, the twins and the fodder guys who went to check out for intruders.
>>141787846
I don't know, I skipped DYRL and feel fine. I'm saving it for whenever I might want more macross later.
>>141787966
> The Macross you remember
Transforming spaceplanes
Giant robot battleships
Singing
Deculture
Giant green men
Pointy ears
Am I missing anything?
>>141788103
Mikumo won't let it happen though. She is a var infected vajra android who's inherited the protoculture after all.
>>141788151
Knife fights and VFs in disguise
>>141788151
But the zentradi is a manlet.
>>141788210
So you're saying he's a dwarf Zentradi and this is his macronized form?
I want to marry her
>>141788182
What? I'm saying that whatever happens to them or not isn't because "Mirage is a Jenius." They got roughed up because they tried to fight them and got their shit beaten by the windfags.
>>141788275
What did she imply with this statement?
>>141787966
Why do you keep posting things about this guy? Nobody cares?
>>141788151
>no longer giant green deformed men
I miss SDF Zentradi with their hideous bumps and boils...
>>141788340
SHINPI
>>141788357
SDF Zentradi werent hideous except for the Emperor. They were just big guys
>>141788357
Those still exist, but they tend to stick to Zentradi ships. See Frontier.
>>141788378
For us?
>>141788340
Why would you understand someone on drugs?
Now that I think about it, are there any green Meltrans?
>>141788399
For everybody. (Except other Zentradi/Meltrans)
>>141788357
>I miss SDF Zentradi with their hideous bumps and boils...
That's DYRL, not SDF. SDF Zentraedi looked like regular humans with different color skins
>>141788436
Veffidas?
>>141788340
She's becoming SELF AWARE
>>141788478
Most of them didn't even have unusual skin or hair colors.
>>141788103
Your theory sounds make sense.
There for, what you saying won't happen in episode 8 because it's too normal and making sense, you know, this is Macross.
>>141788296
Nah they're not talking about the "Hayate and Mirage beaten by aerial knights" scene, because we all know this going to happen, plus Freyja and Bogue's argue.
They're talking what will happen after this scene, will Mikumo/Messer/both/whoever's rescue successful? or some other shit happen?
And actually not just Mirage or Freyja, maybe they kidnapped Hayate, maybe Mikumo jumped ship, who knows, and that's the fun part of original show.
>>141787966
don't post them here, post them in his forum
>>141788592
Ehh I suppose she's sort of an off yellowish-green color but very very light.. also my M7 waifu..
>>141789355
He's probably afraid of getting banned.
>>141789031
It doesn't just make sense, it's literally the summary of the episode.
>>141789233
Mikumo is in the same ruins. She can magick away their escape.
>>141789233
They will escape this episode or next. This is just to make Freyja clash with Bogue and the Windermere. You know?
>>141789676
That's in the summary and kinda too predictable.
Delta need some crazy shit happen.
>>141784568
Lion > *
>>141789613
Show is going to pull a Deus Ex Mikumo on us
Is she the most unfortunate Macross girl of all time?
>>141789820
Protoculture Ex Mikumo
>>141789906
That is going to happen, fail, and then do the Freyja Ex Machina
>>141789728
Which would be courtesy of Mikumo. Not Jenius family. You don't get it, right? The focus of the show is "the secrets of the prococulture." Key character is Mikumo, not Mirage.
Kawamori wanted to make something different this time.
>>141789962
Freyja Ex Birdman?
>>141789875
She got her happy end though
>>141789875
I'm currently watching M7 and still trying to grasp wtf the point of her is besides crippling depression.
>>141789977
I pretty much already said Mikumo is one of possible way, also people are not talking about "what they focus", it's what will happen after that scene, it's not like this is 1 cour show, they have some sub-plot at the same time.
Though after reading your replies, it's more like you keep getting triggered if someone talked about Mirage, it's like she killed your whole family or something, or you think anyone mentioned Mirage in comment=Miragefag.
>>141789977
>Kawamori wanted to make something different this time.
Making the main triangle as friendship triangle is.
Making Mikumo become asspull switch isn't.
>>141790368
>friendship triangle
this meme is so stupid
>>141790368
Or making a /u/ triangle with Mirage and Hayate falling for Freyja. He already did a homo triangle in Aquarion.
>>141790368
How is it asspull when she has been foreshadowed to have some secretes and be very special since the beginning?
>>141790453
Well if you want every Macross thread become great war thread, you can hope for that.
>>141790407
What exactly is a faint triangle anyway?
>>141790849
I'm an EOP don't ask me
>>141790849
Ship bait. He called faint love what was between Alto and Ranka, and Minmay's feelings for Hikaru.
>>141790453
>Mirage
fuck that. Freyja x Mikumo.
>>141791140
Gross.Me x Freyja
>>141791245
Bogue, pls.
>>141791101
kawamori a shinpi
>>141791245
Freyja x old men
>>141787625
I'll wait until the singles are released to give my final judgment, but honestly neither of those really stood out to me. Part of it might how they were used as insert songs, getting broken up by the action and drowned out by other sounds, whereas frontier was mostly concert performances with perfect quality.
>>141792051
Absolutely disgusting.
>>141794292
Cute!
CUTE!
>>141792051
>old men
>men
Like Freyja and Mikumo won't bescissoring their deltastogether when all is said and done. And that's Kawamori's new spin.
>>141794493
Idols can't love other idols.
>>141794493
fags burn in hell
