Is Hibike! Euphonium considered shoujo ai in the way shows like aoi hana are? No explicit yuri love between friends, but they obviously want each other romantically to some degree.
It's just adolescence
>>141652477
>Aoi Hana
>no explicit yuri love
Don't shitpost with series you know nothing about, thanks.
>>141652541
>It's just adolescence
Yes, being a sexually confused teenage girl is just adolescence.
>>141652571
The manga is. Nothing comes out of the show except for a kiss between the MC and a dyke who's actually in love with a man. Then it ends with the childhood friends remembering how close of friends they've always been.
It's not even close to being shoujo ai. It's just hetshit with some yuribait, that's all.
>>141653845
Sincerely confessing love and outright flirting is "bait"?
>>141653845
As someone who's watched a lot of "shoujo ai"picture relatedI'd say it was indeed pretty close. Marimite is and perhaps always will be a poster series for the genre, and even Sachiko was in love with a guy for a large part of it.
This is just in reference to the Hibike anime, of course.
>>141654290
It is when one of them turned out to be in love with a male character.
>>141654353
As I said, just bait. The both of them have male love interests so anything vaguely romantic that happened between the two of them was just bait.
>>141654290
>both of them are in love with dudes
>not yuribait
This is yuri the sane way that K-ON is the "music anime".
LN is hetero romance, though.
>>141654399
>>141654453
Again
>>141652640
>>141654353
A main character also being in love with a guy doesn't disqualify a series from being shoujo ai at all. It's a pretty common trope.
You guys are obviously the ones who don't get the genre.
>>141654502
It is when at least one of them is the "canon" love interest.
>shoujo ai
>>141654436
Not an argument.
>>141654502
I feel like you don't even know the definition of shoujo ai.
>>141654598
Nice explanation of why I'm wrong that doesn't involve "b-but there's a guy!"
Try selling this anime as shoujo ai and see how many people will drop it. You just can't label this as shoujo ai going by the simple fact that they have male love interests. Even the director said that it was just bait.
Now if season 2 had Kumiko x Reina going canon then it could be labelled as shoujo ai. Otherwise it is, and will forever remain, yuri bait.
And I'm not even saying this because I hate yuri or shoujo ai, I'm a big fan of the Reina x Kumiko relationship myself.
>>141654502
That's exactly what I was implying with my post, though.
Aren't you trying too hard to seem like a voice of authority? If you wanted to do that, it would help if you stopped using that dead name for the genre.
>>141654714
I was using your post as an example of why it could still be considered shoujo ai probably, but I don't know which one you are
>>141654697
Shoujo ai is a genre that focuses on developing the romantic relationship between two girls. As far as season 1 goes, Hibike doesn't fit this description.
>>141652477
It's yuri.
>MY ANIME GENRE
>Euphonium is yuri is a meme
>Euphonium is not yuri is a meme
based kyoani did it again by not delivering and S2 will be even worse baiting
>>141654751
I see. My mistake, then.
>shoujo ai
As a concession, I'll stop being autistic about this word then.no I won't.
>shoujo ai
For fucks sake, are there really still retards who think this means "girls love"?
no, they're both sluts
>>141654703
I think you need to rewatch season 1 if you honestly believe there's nothing romantic that develops.
If your only argument against this is that Reina likes Taki then you have nothing.
>>141652477
>they obviously want each other romantically to some degree
But they don't.
>>141654876
Well it technically does mean "girl love", but by that it means you love little girls.
>>141654881
>it's yuri
>but the MC is in love with a boy
>it's still yuri though
>>141654993
She's "in love" with her teacher who's like 20 years older than her.
>>141654881
No it didn't have any of that you retard. They are just very good, intimate friends.
>>141652477
I thought shoujo ai was more like a loli thing. Anyway, Just call it Yuri, it doesn't need to be explicit to work. Although Hibike isn't even Yuri to begin with, Aoi hana was gay as fuck compared to this.
>>141654993
Madoka is even less of a yuri show than euphonium
>>141654993
>it's anime
>but it's animated in Korea
>it's still anime though
>>141655030
And? Makes more sense than being a girl being "in love" with a girl.
>>141655037
>In Japan it's normal for friends to confess their intense love for each other, go on intimate dates, and caress
>>141655030
She still wants the dick, and Memehair is in love with some generic beta
>>141655050
Madoka has one more genuine lesbian than Hibikek Baitphonium
>>141655091
In anime/manga it is. Have you never read some fujobait josei?
>>141655109
Homura's confession is really watered down and ambiguous compared to Reina's and Kumiko's. They actually love each other and it's not just a one-sided obsession because they've never had a friend before.
"shoujo ai" means pedophilia. This is just some yuri subtext.
The ambiguity of relationships was a reaction to or product of the taboo of homosexuality. As for adolescence, I think any sane society would recognize that lots of people fuck around in their horniest part of life, often with the same sex, but live out "straight" adulthood. But there are also lots of bisexuals and a fair number of gays and lesbians... Rather than forcing people into a box maybe we should just see relationships as the business of the people in them? Whatever.
In any case, in the real world, I would suspect Reina of at the very least going both ways. In the author's world, it's whatever the author feels like.
>>141655082
So at best you're saying that neither relationship is legitimate.
>>141655109
>She still wants the dick
Arguable, she's probably more attracted to the fact that he's talented and a role model, the dick probably isn't that important.
>Memehair is in love with some generic beta
Kumiko doesn't care much about Shuuichi. She even disliked him at the beginning of the series. Now she's just neutral.
I only know that the show was a piece of shit.
Not even comedy.
>>141655139
Maybe if you had irl friends you could see how big of closet fags some people who already have partners of the opposite sex can be.
>>141655050
At least Homura is a blatant bull dyke.
>>141655212
>AI YO
what did she mean by this?
>>141655037
>They are just very good, intimate friends.
This guy gets it.
>>141655271
Do you only like comedy shows or something?
>>141655282
"i'm a confused little middle school girl who doesn't know how to feel because i've never had a friend before"
>>141655091
Yes it is very normal actually. In Japan, lesbianism is considered to be just a phase that almost every girl goes through during their adolescence. That's the reason why lesbianism is more accepted than male homosexuality since the latter is believed to be a deviation, unlike lesbian adolescents.
>>141655285
One of those interactions is far, far more intimate than the other.
>>141655212
Reina is canonically in love with a dude. She explicitly says that it is love and not like.
I can give you Kumiko, she is clearly attracted to Reina and shows absolutely no interest in Shuu.
How can people still not get this show is all aboutlewd yuri action behind the scenes.
>>141655364
You can be attracted to more than one person. Also just because she says it's legitimate love and not infatuation doesn't mean that it actually is.
>>141655333
>he never caressed a friend's face while inches apart, declaring his love for him
Sasuga Anon. Get some friends.
>>141655402
>You can be attracted to more than one person
>attracted
But Reina is not just attracted to Taki-sensei, she is IN LOVE with him. And what authority do you have to claim that it's just infatuation?
>>141655030
>>141655402
So you've decided it's yuri because all evidence otherwise is actually not real and just there to mislead you. Good to know.
>>141655327
She's mentally around 23
If she said something like "Madoka-chan daisuki" that's ambiguous because that literally means like which is as ambiguous as it is amongst middle-schoolers in America. Ai is love, no doubt about it.
>Q: Is Homura in love with Madoka?
>Urobuchi: Probably
Posting another girl who's ten times the lesbian that Rayyy lmao and Memehair are
>>141655456
It's common for young students to be delusionally "in love" with their teachers when they don't even understand what that means yet.
>>141655501
>projecting
It's not like the nips have an exact definition of what yuri is. Depending on who you ask, it could mean Emotional Friendship, Lesbian Scissorfest, or anything inbetween. Not to mention that there are some who think that a lesbian romance isn't necessarily yuri by itself.
Hell, two yuri mangaka have mentioned that they think Hibike is yuri. So, if you want to think that Hibike is yuri, go right ahead.
>>141655539
No, go read some psychology you uneducated nigger
>>141655501
>It's not in the series but it happens in 3D so that makes it canon
>>141655477
愛 doesn't pertain to romantic love only. Had she said something like 恋 then there would be no debating whether she meant the romantic kind or just the all-encompasing kind of love.
>>141655456
Because she's 14 and she clearly idolizes the guy. Moreover, she doesn't even seem have that close of a relationship with him, since we never see any scenes of them together alone, and it's even implied that the two have either never or only rarely been alone together at all based on how she reacts to Kumiko speaking alone with him.
>>141655547
Go read up on how words work.
>>141655572
You're just projecting and it's not like it's even relevant to Hibikek in the first place.
>>141655547
>two yuri mangaka have mentioned that they think Hibike is yuri
Nice to know that there are delusional people even in nipponland.
>>141655621
She has known him for a long time. She has had time to get to know him aside from just watching him from afar. Her conclusion is that it's not just "like" but "love". See, all I'm saying is based on canon evidence, as opposed to you, whose only evidence is based on mere speculation.
>>141655660
It is relevant because a main character is """"in love""" (ie has a crush on him) with someone who's decades older than her, and who probably already has a girlfriend.
>>141655741
>She has had time to get to know him aside from just watching him from afar.
You can't get to know someone by watching them from afar. You definitely can't claim to be in love with them either, a state that requires an actual relationship.
>>141655778
He doesn't have a girlfriend, but that doesn't make what you're saying wrong.
>>141655778
>""""in love"""
>>>/out/
>>141655547
>Some random yurishitter nip fuck said they thought the show was yuri
Oh well that's the end of that guys everyone fucking go home, someone somewhere thought it was yuri, how could we argue against that????
What did not-Homura mean by this?
>>141655786
You absolutely can fall in love with someone whom you barely have interactions with. It can start with admiration, then it turns into a crush, and then it turns into love. You haven't had any real life experience I suppose?
>>141655778
Delusion: the post.
>>141655882
This show is another example of yuribait.
>>141655622
>>141655711
>>141655845
>yuri is a Japanese jargon term for content and a genre involving love between women in manga, anime, and related Japanese media.
So not only is it is meaningless word in the firs placet, but it doesn't even classify what type of love it is. It could familial, platonic, or even romantic love. Who knows?
>>141655943
I just finished the series and I am new to franchise, what kind of love is she talking about here?
>>141656005
Tougou is literally confirmed gay though
>>141655883
That's not love, it's infatuation. Love isn't just being more infatuated, it's a deep personal relationship, and an attachment to a person due to that relationship. She abstractly loves Taki in the same sense that she abstractly loves the idea of being a professionally recognized trumpet player. It's a goal, and ideal, not an actual relationship. Taki as a person has nothing to do with the feelings Reina has toward him, it could have been any random accomplished musician that she sort of knew as a kid.
>>141656014
Confused and delusional "love" that a girl who thinks she's special and above all of her classmates would believe she has
>>141656014
The kind of love where she wants Taki-sensei's stick between her walls.
So have we just accepted shoujo-ai to mean the gender-swapped version of shounen-ai? I can live with that.
Fuck off madokafags, you are subhuman.
>>141656043
Anon, fictional characters regularly fall in love in the span of ten seconds. Stop it.
>>141656043
Again, you are projecting on what Reina really meant when she said love. Next you're going to say that when she said she "loved" Kumiko she acually did mean it and it wasn't just Reina teasing her.
>>141656225
This.
>No, the prince didn't really love Snow White, that was just an infatuation!
>>141656179
What does that make Hibikekfags then?
>>141656014
the kind you clean up with mop and bucket
>>141656284
YuYuYufags are the real subhumans. Eating up shit just because it has some yuri. That's really the lowest of the low.
>>141656276
>>141656225
To say "fall in love" often means "to become infatuated with." There are differing definitions of what the word love means.
>>141656245
Oh no, I'm sure she meant what she said, she's just wrong.
>>141656338
So Reina is as much in love with Taki as the prince was with Snow White?
>>141652477
/u/ still can't handle the adolescence
>>141656338
>she thinks she's in love with Taki but she's wrong
This is some next-level delusion.
>>141656338
>she's just wrong
Because you say so?
>>141656379
Sure. Do you think that proves your point? The prince only ever saw Snow White, he was only attracted to her physically. In fact, I would say that Reina's attraction is deeper than his, because at least she likes some of Taki's non-physical features.
>>141656419
Because she's 14 and she doesn't understand what it actually means to love someone.
>>141656418
Thinking it's impossible to have misguided feelings for more than one person is also delusional
>>141656488
>>141656488
>Sure. Do you think that proves your point?
Yes. I'm not going to debate with someone whose inability to distinguish between 2D and 3D is such that he thinks Snow White and the prince aren't in love. Have a nice day.
>>141656550
Not all shows have the same level of depth. You think a Disney romance is held to the same standards of realism?
>>141656550
Snow White is a fucking fairy tale you idiot. Hibike Euphonium is a character drama that is explicitly based on the life of the person who wrote it. It's is supposed to imitate real life.
>>141656488
>it's not love because she's 14
>but I will still say she's in love with Kumiko
>>141656619
I'm not saying she is. She might be infatuated with her like she is with Taki, but at the very least she clearly has a much closer and more personal relationship with Kumiko than she does with Taki.
>>141656619
The argument is over whether or not they have romantic feelings toward each other, not whether or not it's "love"
>>141656670
That's called friendship, ever heard of it?
Literally everyone important who worked on the anime, from the director to the co-director to the script writer to the source material author, said Kumiko and Reina are not romantically into each other.
>>141656743
She could also have romantic feelings toward Kumiko. All I'm saying is that Reina having romantic feelings toward Taki does not preclude her from also having them toward Kumiko.
>>141656846
Source. I know Yamada's adolescence line but that's just one person.
>>141656925
>She could also have romantic feelings toward Kumiko
The del/u/sion never ends.
>>141652477
I want to pucker up and blow into her mouthpiece.
>>141656846
They just don't want to shit on the source material. They know how it really is though.
>>141652477
It's usually seen as a full blown lezzie show.
>>141657041
Nice argument. Because caressing people's faces and confessing your love isn't indicative of any sort of romantic interest.
>>141657166
Adolescence.
>deluded yurifags still butthurt about euphonium being a het anime.
>they STILL think euphonium will be yuri
come on, it's over guys, just let it go.
>>141657137
(you)
Every day until /a/ likes it.
Also, yes, fuck off, Madoka-tripfags.
>>141657166
The creators explicitly say that those scenes were added for the purpose of yuri baiting. This means that those scenes meant nothing if we're going to talk about actual substance.
>>141657464
Source or quit shitposting
>>141657505
Go google it you dumbass.
>>141657194
>not knowing what bait is
>>141657583
>>141656846
Shitposters are coming out of the woodwork
>>141657606
how does that make it yuri? in the end they still want the dick
>>141657642
0 indication that this is true for kumiko
>>141657583
All I can find is random blogs and forum posts. I think you're just making shit up.
>>141657686
Source material
>>141657718
Source material != the show itself
The source material doesn't even have the same character development
>>141657686
>this is what /u/ ACTUALLY believes
>>141657739
Source material = Kumiko isn't gay
Anime = Kumiko isn't gay
See the pattern here?
>>141657783
Oh that must be why she confessed to a girl while caressing her face. Thanks for clearing this up for all of us anon.
>>141652477
>No comedy
>No ecchi
>No fantasy
>NO YURI
This is just stupid, worst fucking show.
>>141652477
You know. I really fucking love Yuri, but damn Yuri fags are the worst. They're trying to see Yuri in everything, even when there isn't. It's like that picture with Gandhi talking about Christians.Though I will admit some things are hard to classify. Like Prism, I'm pretty sure that's Yuri, but there are doubts that it's not.
>>141657961
Watch the show and try not to see the yuri
>>141657642
This.
e t e r n a l l o v e
>>141657807
She was obviously practicing love confessions with her best friend for when she confesses to Shoe, this is a common thing to do between girls.
>>141657686
In season 2 she will crave Shuu's.
>>141657807
Adolescence.
>>141658110
>In season 2 she will crave Shuu's.
if this turns out to be true I will eat my words and concede that the creators are faggots
Otherwise it's obviously meant to be yuri subtext
Just good friends enjoying their adolescence together
Can dog girls love cat girls though?
>>141658159
You do realise this is based a novel series that already ended, right.
>>141658424
You do realize that the show already deviates from the novel series, right.
>>141658223
Yes, just like trumpet girls can like eupho girls
>>141658461
stay mad yurifag..it is canon
It's about Kumiko and her range of hilarious facial expressions and silly noises. Bweeehhhh!?!
>>141658574
Novel canon and anime canon are two separate things so far
>>141658611
What kind of silly noises do you think she makes when she's being close friends with Reina in private and their friendship is reaching a climax?
>>141656925
https://ultimatemegax.wordpress.com/2015/09/27/sound-euphonium-roundtable-director-tatsuya-ishihara-series-director-naoko-yamada-author-ayano-takeda/
>Takeda: (laughs) In almost every work, not just novels, there’s so many that put romance above fellowship, aren’t there? I wasn’t satisfied with that, so I wrote this work thinking of making fellowship above romance. It’s just as Yamada-san says, Reina is a bit sensual from Kumiko’s point of view. It’s something characteristic that a girl would sense and describe. If a man were writing it, wouldn’t it be more like a lusty wolf coming out? (laughs)
Takeda wrote the source material.
https://ultimatemegax.wordpress.com/2016/02/22/animestyle-007-sound-euphonium-interview-jukki-hanada-translated-part-1/
>Oguro: It’s not just that she admires Taki-sensei; she wants to become his lover, it’s that kind of love. Conversely, Kumiko went from “someone she’s intrigued with” to a “close friend”. Doesn’t it feel like that?
>Hanada: I think it’s like that. But not simply a friend, I feel like she wants to be a step further than that, where they’re something more akin to likeminded partners. That’s why Kumiko could return her words to her in episode 11. I wrote it thinking “in this scene she’ll mean ‘I want you just the way you are’ when she returns that declaration of love.”
Hanada is the scriptwriter.
https://ultimatemegax.wordpress.com/2016/01/26/animestyle-007-sound-euphonium-interview-director-tatsuya-ishihara-series-director-naoko-yamada-part-2/
>Yamada: Ah, like if Reina loses her love for Taki-sensei.
>Ishihara: Well, that would be a problem. At the beginning there was a plan like that. It’s a bit awful for Reina to enter high school having her hopes set on Taki-sensei, right? But I like that part of Reina, so I didn’t want it to be removed.
Ishihara is the director. He's also present in the "adolescence" interview and discusses how men only like "unserious" yuri
>>141658730
>t-that's fake!! It's still yuri!!!1
>>141652477
it's yuribait to sell more BD to yurifag.
>>141658730
None of that is canon. Kumiko and Reina are clearly depicted as lesbians in the show.
>>141658223
No. Dog girls and cat girls are natural enemies. Dog girls can only love mouse girls.
>>141658915
>implying yuri sells
>>141658967
Both are fine and perfection.
I don't care as long as there's a bathhouse or hot spring episode this time.
>>141658730
>Takeda: Shuichi is special as well, but for Kumiko, Reina is depicted as a presence that is above him. Before Kumiko met her, he may have been her special guy, but now her relationship with Reina is eternal.
This kills the hetfag
>>141659142
> I wrote this work thinking of making fellowship above romance.
It kills all romancefags.
>>141658730
https://ultimatemegax.wordpress.com/2016/02/23/animestyle-007-sound-euphonium-interview-jukki-hanada-translated-part-2/
>Hanada: that depiction of them as childhood friends/partners is too strong.
>Hanada: In the anime, the nuance that they’re musicians who share the same feelings about music—rather than lovers—is strengthened.
Hanada also mentions in one of the interviews that Kumiko and Shuichi aren't lovers either. Since Kumiko doesn't like Shuichi or Reina romantically, KyoAni won't have any romantic subplots involving her in the second season and beyond.
>>141659323
>>141659316
Which means the threads will be devoid of cancerous shippers. Good.
>>141659323
I still hope they change their minds on that. I'd rather have the either romantic end than no romance at all.
>>141658730
None of this implies that Kumiko and Reina don't have a romantic relationship, or at least a relationship with romantic implications. The Taki stuff is irrelevant, it's just saying that it's important for her character that she likes him, which I agree with.
>>141659408
No, an actual resolution would end the shipping wars, this will mean they'll for as long as these threads do.
>le generic average plain jane piece of shit X pretty perfect black-haired beauty couple #23741
WHY IS THIS SHIT SO COMMON IN YURI
>>141652477
>shoujo ai
That doesn't mean what you think it means.
>>141659427
>None of this implies that Kumiko and Reina don't have a romantic relationship,
Takeda and Hanada lines literally directly refute the notion of the two being interested in each other romantically.
>>141652477
>shoujo ai means yuri
Fucking EOPs
>>141659527
Then they did a shit job of portraying that.
>>141659650
I disagree.
>>141659461
Because it's written by straight women. They always have the same fantasy of a beautiful eccentric lesbian sweeping them away from their plain boring het life into the magical adventurous lesbian world. Then the adventure ends and they settle down with a boy, because ultimately they still want the boring comfy life getting dicked, not that wild fantasy.
Kumiko made me have feelings I never had before.
Is this what people mean when they say you don't choose your waifu, your waifu chooses you?
>>141659665
And a bunch of other people disagree with you. I really can't see how one interprets the mountaintop scene or the similar scene from episode 11 as not having romantic implications, other than simply denying they exist without any reasoning.
>>141658922
>>141659759
> romantic implications
It doesn't. That's why the interview was posted in the first place. To clear this up
>>141659871
Can you cite anything from either of the scenes themselves to support this? The interview does not override the show, it can only be used as supplementary material.
>>141659759
>I really can't see how one interprets the mountaintop scene or the similar scene from episode 11 as not having romantic implications
Just because you put 2 characters in a romantic location doesn't mean they suddenly have romantic feelings for eachother.
I can almost guarantee you that they've dropped the Shuichi romance. Be prepared for one or two more seasons of shipping faggotry that will ultimately go nowhere, because in the end there won't be any actual romance.
>>141660241
Things that also happen:
>Confessions of love (platonic or otherwise)
>Face touching
>Main character's inner dialogue explicitly states that she would be happy if she died right there on the mountain
It's not just a romantic location
>>141658730
>Using logic and facts against /u/shitters
What are you doing nigger? I bet now you'll tell them that 2D and 3D are differents things.
>>141660471
>It's not just a romantic location
Yes it is, you're the one that adds a different meaning to it than what was clearly intented. Try to look at the bigger picture and stop turning everything into /u/
>>141659965
There's no hidden fucking writing in the sky that says "THIS ISN'T ROMANTIC," it's just that what struck you as romantic struck me as a dramatized depiction of intimate friendship (the key word is dramatized, before you break out "Yeah, I get real close with my friends' faces all the time" yet again). And the intentions of the creators seem to back up my interpretation.
>>141659461
Because itscute
>>141660577
>different meaning to it than what was clearly intented
Nigger, the intent was obvious. The real question is whether it's yuri or just yuribait. Without your precious interviews there wouldn't even be any question as to whether there was supposed to be yuri subtext during those scenes.
>>141652477
>shoujo ai
No, it's yuri
