Did they ever do anything right with the anime they dubbed?
The One Piece rap.
Pokemon had some pretty good voice acting, their actors seemed to be passionate about their roles.
>dubs
>>141543557
it's easy to make up catchy songs aimed at children.
>>141543562
this
>>141543569
you only got singles, senpai. OP got dubs
National anthem
>>141543522
Openings.
I still watch 4kids anime openings. Voice acting wasnt terrible either. 4kids just had stupid censor policies.
>>141543557
YA YO YA YOOOOOOOOO
>>141543660
not those dubs retard
Pokemon theme song?
![2090613-34764723[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/nJErEXL.jpg "2090613-34764723[1].jpg")
The openings.
Pokemon voice cast.
Yu-Gi-Oh! GX
Dan Green?
>>141543611
It was a pretty good rap, it was memorable
>>141543522
BIG BAD BOYS FROM OUTER SPACE,
>>141544411
I did
>>141543522
Localizing onigiri to jelly donut.
>>141543562
I'll never understand why they replaced the animal noises pokemon make sometimes for their names.
>>141544507
probably to make them sound cuter
it's only the cute pokes that say their names while the non-cute ones still grunt in animal noises
>>141543522
Ultimate Muscle's OP
>>141543522
Made a hermaphrodite a woman and gave her the tit she was missing.
>>141543562
And in that time they still managed to slip some dirty jokes into the script, shit was awesome.
can we credit fighting evil by moonlight to them? It was a catchy op
>>141544507
There were plenty of pokemon in the 4kids dub that used their grunt and groans. Charizard is a good example.
>Great tier
Pokémon (S1)
Ultimate Muscle
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles
>Good tier
Shaman King
Yu-gi-oh (S1-5)
>Acceptable tier
One Piece
Magical DoReMi
Cubix: Robots for Everyone
F-Zero: GP Legend
Pokémon (S2)
WInx Club
Fighting Foodons
>Bad tier
Kirby: Right Back at Ya!
Sonic X
Chaotic
Pokémon (S3 onwards)
>Shit tier
Mew Mew Power
Dinosaur King
>>141543522
Dan Green was awesome as Yugi. The guy put so much passion in whatever both Yugi's said, I respect that.
>>141546175
>with the anime they dubbed
>>141546532
Did I make a mistake? What didn't they dub in that list?
>>141546567
A bunch of those aren't anime.
>>141546616
Shit, you're right, I need sleep
Consider those general voice acting tiers then and just pick out the anime for the sake of discussion
>>141546175
>Kirby: Right Back at Ya!
>Bad tier
the soundtrack was a loss but it was honestly pretty good
>>141544507
Because the cries at least in early gens were horrifying screeches that make you want to put them out of their misery.
>>141546725
>Spanish MK
>Hick Texan Dedede
Irredeemable
>>141546175
>Bad tier
>Kirby: Right Back at Ya!
Nigga what
Zoro's voice actor in 4kids was perfect. I really with funi had brought him back for their dub.
>>141545388
SHE HAS THE ONE NAME SAILOR MOON
>>141544371
UL-TI-MATE MUSCLE
>>141543522
I NEED A MONSTA TO CLOBBER DAT DER KIRBEH
Sonic was a good anime
>>141543661
>Japanese characters
>Singing the US national anthem
>Voiced by Canadians
LOOK AROUND YOU LOOK BEYOND
YOU COULD MAKE AN UNBREAKABLE BOND
They kept the original soundtrack for Pokemon. Funi couldn't even be arsed to do that with DBZ.
Duel Monsters had great music
the dub was alright
>>141547327
Fuck, I did not think that show had made that much of an impression on me, but I heard it clear as day.
>>141543522
https://youtu.be/sfXdyqqWoKI
>>141547752
I thought 4kids VA's were based out of New York?
Anyway they did right by Pokemon, and were really good at merchandising, then they pissed it all away because they were bad at making their own content and franchises. Their stock price is hilarious to look at
>>141544453
coughcoughFranklinRooseveltcoughcoughJapaneseinternmentcough
>>141543522
https://youtu.be/IVmtUK_1jh4
https://youtu.be/L-6B4395Zsw
https://youtu.be/8qLl145FqQg
A lot of their openings are still very memorable years later.
>>141548387
>>141548577
fuuuuck
I gotta find me some Fighting Foodons now
>>141546175
>TMNT
>dub
But it IS one of the best things that was released under the 4kids name.
>>141548720
Yeah, I fucked up
see >>141546646No MOM I'm still not sleeping
TMNT probably gets my vote for best work overall, though
>>141546175
Ultimate Muscle is full of 11/10 puns.
For how much they censor other shows I'm really suprised they were able to make every character a super stereotype like the smelly frenchmen or the mexican dirt farmer with 13 kids.
>>141546175
Chaotic was actually good, and the plot was going places. Its a shame it failed.
They censored the gay
>>141546970
Zoro's voice was the only one I could tolerate in the 4Kids dub. Imagine how well he could've done as Zoro if a better voice director was involved.
>>141543522
https://youtu.be/CwqQGf6WqY4
The entirety of the yugioh dub.
>>141544195
>Yu-Gi-Oh! GX
GENERATION NEXT!
I was okay with them removing "Chaser's" cigars. Now the smoke coming from his mouth looked a badass Devil Fruit side effect.
>>141543522
The openings are almost always catchy and even if the dubs are horrendous, they're fun to look back on.
>>141543522
No such thing as an anime dubbed right.
>>141546175
You missed YGO GX (bad tier).
Holy shit, Cubix was 4Kids? I've been thinking of watching it, was it any good? I only saw like a couple of episodes when my little bro used to watch it.
>>141549531
Why isn't Lynn Skywalker black?
>>141546175
TMNT was the only good thing they did. People who say Pokemon or YGO are just blinded by nostalgia. YGO especially.
Forgot they had Doremi. Hilarious they changed a guy kidnapping a girl to her uncle giving her a ride or something stupid, i forget. Like the YGO scene where they change a guy trying to rape Anzu to some homeless mugger
>>141550069
I thought GX being awful was common knowledge :^)
As for Cubix, I enjoyed it a lot as a kid but I really doubt it'd still have the same charm now
I still have my Burger King flapping Dondon toy though
>>141550069
Cubix has aged like shit in every aspect, from the voice acting, to the visuals, it's painful to go back and watch.
The source material is also korean if I remember correctly.
GX has it's own weird charm, the dub is like watching an overly campy college movie.
They were great at making natural dialogue, and when they weren't focused on changing content, it was accurate to the original text's intent.
>>141545388
Nah, that was DIC.
Mew Mew Power was the first time I got mad about a dub/localization. It was a milestone for me.
>>141543522
Shaman King opening themeLOOK AROUND YOU LOOK BEYOND
>>141546175
>fighting foodons
holy FUCK
>>141546970
Of course, he was Guts.
>>141543811
YO-HO-HO HE TOOK A BITE OF GUM GUM
>>141543661
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfJuJrqFhXM
>>141545412
It's still clearly saying 'Lizardon' though.
>>141546970
Silly anon, his proper american name is Zolo.
>>141543522
To be fair, their Pokemon dub (as crap as it was) initially had relatively decent voice acting. It got worse later on, but it had that campy feel which, though bad, made it kind of funny.
Also, they gave the world this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JuYeHPFR3f0
>'sub sandwiches' replacing rice balls
No, fuck you. 4kids is cancer of the highest order.
>>141546175
I always forget that Digimon wasn't 4kids.
>>141552744
>Jelly donut
>>141552973
It's fucking retarded. The entire company is cancer.
>>141552875
>Digimon
Was this any good? I've been meaning to get around to watching it.
>>141546175
>TMNT
>Great tier
10/10 taste, anon. Only good thing they ever did.
>>141553108
Watch Tamers subbed.
>TMNT was voiced by them
It's weird. Such quality by them.
I miss them. What happened to them?
>>141546175
>one piece 4kids
>acceptable
In what world is https://youtu.be/ihaJdNzryXA acceptable?
>>141553181
If I'm ever going to watch it, I'll watch the whole thing. Same deal with Pokemon (which I'm also thinking of watching).
>they never watched casey and friends
>>141546760
>Not liking Hick Texan Dedede
Surely you jestin'?
>>141553297
Pokemon is shit. The newest development is the the crowdsourced hot shit pokemon is literally fused with Ash. It's hot garbage.
I really liked Robin's country accent and Sanjji's new york (?) accent
>>141553495
You're a tasteless retard.
>>141553512
Probably just a burger.
>>141553546
What does that have to do with anything?
>>141553570
Tautology.
Their take on Team Rocket were legitamately funny and they had some great lines.
And Jessie's voice was sexy as hell, god damn.
>>141553585
Get over yourself. You just hate America.
>>141553614
>muh dick
kys
>>141553616
No, just the tasteless people on it.
>>141553655
>on it
Learn English, you uneducated piece of shit.
>>141553802
The landmass you sperg.
>>141554147
You would say "in it." I can understand your confusion because you're a retarded European.
>>141553108
Adventure has no business being as good as it is, being promotional material for bunch of games.
It's really good, watch it subbed.
Changing the characters names (Ash, Misty, etc) in Pokemon at least was a good thing.
From a 'localizing for kids' point of view.
>>141554602
What's your fucking point?
>>141554652
>What's your fucking point?
>The thread start is "Did they ever do anything right with the anime they dubbed?"
Okay.
>>141547918
And Pikachu's VA. And Pikachu's name too.
JELLY FILLED DONUTS
>>141547918
>They kept the original soundtrack for Pokemon.
What? No they didn't. Every single episode had changed music. Usually "just" most of the tracks, but sometimes all of them. The first movie was entirely rescored. And when they weren't swapping out a Japanese track for an in-house one, they were adding in music where there was silence in the original version.
>>141553614
>You will never have Jessie's legs wrapped around her neck.
>>141549456
This.
>>141555079
POPCORN BALLS
>>141555227
Well shit. I know the movies were all changed, but I could've sworn the TV series mostly kept the original score.
>>141552973
When pokemon was airing here in the states my local donut shop actually made some jelly filled donuts like looked like onigiri. So as a kid I never knew the rice balls were "censored" since the owners were secret weebs (later found out they collected a shit ton of figures) and cashed in on the pokemon hype.
>>141556104
There's some crazy guy who spent several years documenting the changes 4kids made to Pokémon, including the number of times they changed the OST. The number of original Japanese tracks in a given episode usually numbered in a single digit. He doesn't do it anymore but many OS and AG episodes are written up.
>>141544507
Pretty sure they did that in the original, I recall a Misdreavus going "Muma"
>>141544195
>watching GX dubbed
>>141549456
>cigars aren't cool
>>141546760
Both of these is why the dub is excellent.
>>141549363
POT OF GREED ALLOWS ME TO DRAW TWO CARDS FROM MY DECK
The rubber knife was funny as hell.
>>141557767
MY BLUE EYES WHITE DRAGOOOOOOOOOOON
Shaman king had a pretty good dub, now if only they had it uncensored with the dub
>>141557539
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FWBFq3QEPI
There it is.
>>141543611
Tell that to TPCi
YOU AND ME ARE CLOSER THAN BROTHERS
AND NOW WE HAVE TO FIGHT EACH OTHER
>>141543557
I only watched maybe 3 episodes of One Piece when I was a kid and that song is still stuck in my head years later. What the fuck
>>141543562
I agree: 4Kids' actors were by far superior to TPCi's when it comes to Ash and the others. Veronica Taylor, Rachael Lillis, Maddie Blaustein and Eric Stuart were pitch perfect in their roles.
>>141543522
Pokemon Movies 4-8 were literally uncut and kept 99% of the Japanese music (the 4Kids dub of the Movies got BETTER over the course, not worse). They also had excellent voice actors for it, too, way better than their TPCi replacements who are ear-bleedingly bad.
>>141546175
Pokemon (S3 onwards) is great tier dubbed, what the heck are you talking about? They still kept much of the Japanese music (even in AG, more than TPCi did in BF and XY), the script was honestly faithful to the original quite a bit (and when it wasn't, they slipped in humor like "It might finally stop all of Jessie's...complaining," and "I'm a flaming Moltres"), and the voice acting was honestly improved from S1. Veronica Taylor's Ash got notably better over her run (unlike Sarah Natochenny, who has gotten progressively worse).
Also One Piece is shit tier, that's an AWFUL dub.
>>141550186
No, their Pokemon dub of the 6th Movie is literally 100% uncut, it's not nostalgia- 4Kids even kept the Japanese ending "Make a Wish" for god sakes. The current TPCi dub has always been very bad, and has become even worse over the course: TPCi keep less of the Japanese music than 4Kids did nowadays in XY, too, and have their own berries = apples and veggies censorship lately.
>>141549363
They had good voice actors for Yu-Gi-Oh, admittedly.
>>141552744
>>141552973
>>141553007
4Kids kept the rice balls quite a bit, too, in their Pokemon dub, so don't jump to conclusions like that. It was only sometimes they did that stuff:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJHtPRXrv_Q
Regardless, their worst censorship has nothing on TPCi, who pulled this shit with their Pokemon dub: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGgs4_8fu2U.
If the new Yugioh movie doesn't have Dan Green and Eric Stuart it's going to be hard for me to watch it.
>>141543557
DREAMING
DON'T GIVE IT UP LUFFY
>>141559671
TPCi has shit themes, shit VAs, shit script, and horrible UFO dub music. 4Kids had based themes, great VAs, decent script, and kept most of the Japanese music anyway.
Say what you guys will, but Pokemon was WAY better dubbed by 4Kids than what TPCi's done to it.
Like, what the fuck is this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=de9hJBD1loU
That's not even a theme: it's something a garage band did 2 days before the Series aired, and they recycled the same 3 lines.
They actually improved the Yugioh soundtrack in some places.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYcn5BLop3w
>>141560085
Dan Green had a pretty damn suave and boss voice for Yami and Eric Stuart nailed the dark mood of Seto Kaiba as far as the English dub of Duel Monsters good.
4Kids had some great voice actors for Pokemon & Yu-Gi-Oh, honestly. Their TPCi and Odex equivalents are horrific in comparison.
(And honestly, their Pokemon dub was way better than the current one).
It's a shame all their voice acting get lumped into the shit pile because of shit they did with Sonic, One Piece, etc.
>>141560167
I still believe that Music to Duel By is the greatest anime soundtrack ever made.
VIRTUAL SYSTEMS READY
>>141560167
They did have one dub theme I actually preferred over the Duel Monsters OST, admittedly:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-m0LeCqymEw
That said, Pokemon was the best thing 4Kids ever did, easily.
>>141543522
https://youtu.be/QPDlwDX8haQ?t=4m45s
The yugioh dubs for the first and second generations.
They still fly out voice actors to the world championships every year to narrate fake duels for fun.
>>141544507
The pokemon say their japanese names in the japanese version too.
The difference is they make it sound more animalistic rather than straight saying their names.
For example Charizard roars Lizardon.
WATCH OUT FOR SHREDDER
>>141543522
-Putting Dan Green and Veronica Taylor on the map.
-Giving children their first boners.
-Indirectly making a case for wanting uncut shows and making Funimation and Saban look like the "good cops" to their "bad cop."
>>141546175
>forgetting cardcaptors
Remember how they cut like 40% of that show's episodes and completely changed what was left?
>>141543522
Their Yu-Gi-Oh DM dub had decent casting and was okay in it's own right.
Not like Yu-Gi-Oh anime is any good anyways, read the manga faggot.
>>141543522
Pokemon: the 4Kids dub is much better than the TPCi dub.
Even at its worst, the 4Kids dub kept more of the Japanese music, the voice acting was much better, and the script writing wasn't a bunch of Team Rocket rhyming/alliterating back and forth.
>>141552627
They did: they even kept Iwark (Onix's) cry.
>>141552716
Initially? It had excellent voice acting throughout its run, and it got better for mostly everyone, especially Taylor's Ash. The only actual exception and complaint I could even make about that (and that's pushing it a LOT) is Stuart's James got goofier in AG, but even then, Stuart's worst James is way better than the bland, phoned in performance Lewis gave in the first 7.5 episodes and especially the horrible sounding James Cathcart's James, who if you don't know, makes him sounding like a goofy old man with a head cold.
Also, their Pokemon dub actually got better if you ask me in terms of how the Movies were dubbed- Movie 1 was butchered, but Movie 6 was extremely faithfully dubbed, along with Movie 8. Season 3 also kept more of the Japanese music than Season 1 in the dub, too, so know that.
>>141546760
That's what makes them good
>>141555227
They kept MORE of the original soundtrack for Pokemon than TPCi, is what I think he meant, which is true as of XY.
>>141556104
Not true: Movies 4-8 kept almost all the Japanese OST, but yes, Seasons 1-3 kept more than 3/4 of it. Even at its worst, they kept 1/3-1/2 of it in Seasons 4-8.
>>141560526
Why is the soundtrack changed anyways? I'm guessing legal reasons?
>>141559948
>They had good voice actors for Yu-Gi-Oh, admittedly.
I still think Seto Kaiba's 4kids dub voice was better then the Jap voice.
>>141560438
Their Pokemon dub was solid, too, great casting compared to the terrible TPCi dub we have now.
Honestly, I never understood the criticism 4Kids gets for Pokemon and Yu-Gi-Oh aside from censorship (and music replacement in YGO's case). They had excellent voice actors for those Series.
TMNT 2003 is great and all, but it honestly pales in comparison, IMO: it's darker and edgier, true, but some casting choices were a bit meh.
>>141560167
>tfw played yugioh (the card game) as a 10-11 year old.
This was too fun. The boys from my neigbourhood were all on this shit...and the best players even held cross-neighbourhood duels - where they played YGO on a specially prepared table and each team was cheering for their side as they were eating icecream...
can you imagine how silly this would look today?
>>141560629
>Their Pokemon dub was solid, too
Eh, it wasn't too great in the initial episodes especially with Ash, who sounded like a kid attempting a man voice, but it really did level out later on.
>>141560622
He was also Brock (Takeshi) and James (Kojiro) in the 4Kids dub of Pokemon, and let me just say, he did a far better job than his TPCi dub replacements who voice them now- Brock & James in the English dub that airs now both sound like old men, when actually Brock is a teen and James is a young man.
Based Eric Stuart, though I'd say he was on par with Kenjiro Tsuda, myself, as Kaiba. The dub made Kaiba more aloof and a dick, so Stuart did well for what he was given, IMO.
I actually think Pegasus' 4Kids dub voice was better than the Jap one, too, the Jap one goes "DESUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU" a lot and it's annoying.
>>141560637
Christ, be gentle /a/, I didn't mean to use so ellipses.
>>141560693
>The dub made Kaiba more aloof and a dick
Then it was accurate. Kaiba is a complete asshole with a heart of gold that only cares about protecting those closest to him. If Kaiba had to choose between the lives of 1000 strangers or having his little brother suffer a small injury, Kaiba would sacrifice the 1000 lives.
>>141560689
I agree, but it improved a lot over time, though, in terms of the voice acting (and in terms of the dialogue, which was consistently entertaining). Only James' VA got worse, but even then, he's still better than his current English VA who sounds like a stuffed up old man who is goofy instead. Also, the current VA for made all of Team Rocket his fucking bitch with constant rhymes and alliterations out the ass- also, he makes Ash spout outdated slang, too.
Regardless, I'll take Taylor's worst Ash in those first 16 or so Kanto episodes over the chain smoking woman Natochenny Ash that has replaced her. It doesn't help that Ash's current VA can't fucking emote worth a shit, either, her "laughing" and "crying" make me cringe:
Natochenny's laugh is literally "A-ha-ha-ha":
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elUa94X-TSU
Natochenny's crying is GIRLY on a BOY character:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKr4vXPXyqM
>>141560812
The 4Kids Duel Monsters dub was pretty solid, in all honesty, I agree: all it needed was the Japanese OST like 4Kids' Pokemon and Dinosaur King dubs to be relatively solid.
It's shit like their One Piece, Sonic X, and Kirby dubs I've got no defense for: I'm surprised people liked Kirby's dub, actually.
>>141560618
The soundtrack is changed to make royalties when the dub is outsourced to other countries so that the dubbers make more profit on it than the Japanese do.
On that note, TPCi butchering the music worse than 4Kids ever did in Pokemon (and generally shitty VA and dialogue work included) makes me wonder how someone can do a worse dub than 4Kids did, but TPCi have fucking done it.
4K's One Piece had pretty bad VAs for the Straw Hats, Zoro the lone exception. What I liked from them was most of their villain voices, they had better ones than Funimation had.
But fuck their script, nothing good can be said of that.
>>141561106
4Kids One Piece is the worst butchery the company ever did: Zoro was the only good VA, I agree. Chopper was mediocre, but the rest were god-awful.
Luffy, Sanji, and Usopp's 4Kids voices were particularly terrible if you ask me.
If you were to make a scale, I'd put 4Kids Pokemon on one end and One Piece on the other hand, that's how differently I feel their dubs' quality was they put out. Some of the stuff 4Kids did was honestly genuinely decent, but shit like One Piece deserves no defense. Not to mention Laboon the Iceberg or "ICY DUH RIVER" either.
>>141546175
Shit list: let me correct you and tell you the objectively true ranking of 4Kids dubs.
>God Tier
Pokémon (S1-S3, M4-8)
>Great Tier
Ultimate Muscle
TMNT 2003
Pokemon (S4-S8, M1-3)
Dinosaur King
>Acceptable Tier
Yu-Gi-Oh (Seasons 1-5)
F-Zero: GP Legend
Cubix: Robots for Everyone
Chaotic
>Bad Tier
Kirby: Right Back at Ya!
Winx Club
>Shit Tier
Sonic X
Mew Mew Power
One Piece
Magical DoReMi
>>141546396
Same goes for Veronica Taylor as Ash: so much better than Sarah Natochenny's lifeless, chain smoker take we get nowadays.
Really, 4Kids did alright with casting as far as Pokemon and Yu-Gi-Oh go in my book. I actually love their Pokemon cast compare to the current one, who have made my ears bleed profusely over the last decade or so. The script is also 4K One Piece tier in the TPCi Pokemon dub, and their intros are garbage, especially the DP Rap and the XYZ theme: not helping is the fact 4Kids kept more of the Japanese music than the TPCi dub at this point.
And if people think Dan Green was bad as Yugi (which he wasn't, he was great!), they need to listen to Chuck Powers' cancerous take in the Odex dub. He sounds like a surfer dude, not even kidding. Say what you will, but Dan Green nailed the shy insecurity of Yugi and the courageousness of Yami Yugi- I could easily compare him to Shunsuke Kazama in the role, especially in Season 1.
>>141546725
How? Heck, I prefer 4Kids' dubs of Pokemon & Yu-Gi-Oh over the TPCi dub and Odex dubs, but I don't see what defense there is for their Kirby dub at all.
The only good thing about the Kirby dub is that 4Kids kept Kirby's Japanese voice. Tuff sounded fucking terrible, like 4Kids Coby and TPCi Max, and that voice is harmful to the ears.
Ted Lewis was a great Giovanni and Bakura, but that Texan Dedede take? Hell no.
Heck, Eric Stuart was a phenomenal Brock and James as well as Kaiba, but the Spanish Meta Knight shit was cringe-worthy!
>>141561554
>>141546175
>Putting Sonic X in shit tier
>when it had some great voice acting
>>141561767
BTW, fun fact is Ash's current VA in Pokemon does smoke cigarettes for those of you who don't know: jesus christ, TPCi has some of the worst actors I've ever had. They make 4Kids actors sound like FUNi actors.
>>141543522
ULTIMATE MUSCLE!
>>141561870
>great voice acting
>OVERemphASIS by JAY-SON GRiFFiTH in all his lines as Sonic
>That whiny fake Cream voice
>Annoying Lisa Ortiz valley girl Amy Rose voice
>Tails' sore throat woman voice by Amy Palant
The only good voice actor in the 4Kids Sonic Era was honestly Mike Pollock as Eggman. I suppose Griffith's Shadow was OK, too, but the rest was shit VA work.
This coming from the guy who actually liked some 4K dubs to a degree, man, I'm sorry but that dub has held up about as well as FUNi's initial take on DBZ.
It's better than the One Piece dub, but I mean, that takes nothing to outdo.
>>141561913
One of 4Kids better efforts, though it doesn't top POKEMON.
>>141561870
No amount of good voice acting can make up for removing live and learn from the final battle.
>>141561895
You're taking children cartoons too far, are you a literal wizard?
>>141562046
Objectively true ranking of 4Kids voice actors:
>Great Tier
Veronica Taylor
Eric Stuart
Rachael Lillis
Maddie Blaustein
Amy Birnbaum
Dan Green
Wayne Grayson
Frank Frankson
Sam Riegel
>Acceptable Tier
Ted Lewis
Lisa "Same Voice" Ortiz
Erica Schroeder (Except Luffy, that's shit tier)
>Shit Tier
Jason Griffith (Nice person, though)
Amy Palant
>Cancer Tier
David Moo
All the other literal who's 4Kids had in some of their dubs
>>141562185
I'm just saying 4Kids' Pokemon had better dubbing than TPCi Pokemon, is all, that's my point. Otherwise, I could give less a crap.
It's so underrated: try listening to 60 year old man with cold James for hundreds of episodes or mad scientist Oak and then tell me TPCi haven't messed up Pokemon worse than 4Kids ever did.
>>141562064
Sonic X's dub had terrible voice acting regardless, so I agree. 4Kids had much better dubs than that, honestly- that was without a doubt one of their worst.
The one good think I'll say is their original openings were pretty catchy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I61RdIMqfuQ
>>141562377
That's a shit intro, honestly, by 4Kids' standards.
These are awesome 4Kids intros, though:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8pj9EwjNjw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cb3ggoyqXmU
That said, even Kirby's 4Kids intro beats TPCi Pokemon intros:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RO3F0GVMaSw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=de9hJBD1loU
>>141543522
The ocarina song in the lugia movie dub was better than the original.
>>141546725
I watched a movie of Kirby that was filled with plot holes, not sure but I imagine 4 kids edited that way
>>141562708
The only good thing about the Kirby dub is that 4Kids kept Kirby's Japanese voice, honestly.
They had much better dubs than that.
>>141562676
I'd actually say the 4Kids Pokemon voices were generally on par with the Japanese ones- heck, Blaustein said her Meowth was inspired with Inuyama's in the Japanese version and she tried to emulate her screams in particular.
Helps that 4Kids kept 99% of the Japanese music in their dubs of Pokemon Movies 4-8 (whereas TPCi can't even give a fuck to do that little now and replaced most of the Japanese music in Movies 17-18), though.
4Kids even kept the Japanese ending with English vocals as a duet in their dub of the Jirachi Movie, it was glorious:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnl5TFkZ138
(I have a lot of good things to say about 4Kids when it comes to Pokemon in general compared to the current/TPCi dub, really.)
>>141562891
>I have a lot of good things to say about 4Kids when it comes to Pokemon in general compared to the current/TPCi dub, really
Yeah we can see that.
>>141543522
4Kids did great with Pokemon- going to have to agree with everyone who said that.
Jelly donuts or not, their dub is a lot better than the current one.
Almost destroyed wan piss in western. Too bad they were too incompetent to do even that.
>>141562185
Smoking deteriorates the vocal chords, even if it does happen slowly. That can create unique voices that you can't get otherwise, which can be great for certain commercial copy, but literally no large company (as in, one that contracts VO for their commercials) is going to try passing off a smoker as a kid or use one in kid-oriented VO. With Pokémon as big as it is, you'd think its company would try to have a higher bar of quality.
>>141563163
>>141563190
TPCi honestly butchered the Pokemon dub worse than 4Kids ever did: say what you will, but the 4Kids dub was pretty damn solid in comparison.
I particularly enjoyed the adult humor they'd slip in at times, especially with Team Rocket:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzfg0aBE19Y
>>141563267
It's redeemed because 4Kids did well with Pokemon, honestly: it makes up for the butchery they did with One Piece in my book.
>>141563376
Again, we get it.
You've posted about it more than enought to get your point across.
>>141563417
To be fair, it's hard to fuck up Pokemon. Even TCPi hasn't made any huge fuck ups.
>>141563465
Alright.
Still, I have to reiterate again some of the stuff they wrote is legitimately clever, though, you need to hear it for yourselves. I don't know how 4Kids slipped this by the radar:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzfg0aBE19Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvWEiGXOt2w
The current TPCi writer just writes constant alliteration, rhymes, and slang- his stuff is about as unfunny as the 4Kids One Piece dub's writer.
>>141543522
https://youtu.be/IAR5cqVYQKw
This shit was gold.
Team Rocket in general were probably the best part of the old pokemon dubs.
>>141563517
>TPCi
>No huge fuck ups
>All that horrible voice acting that rivals 4Kids' One Piece dub
>Replacing more of the Japanese music than 4Kids ever did in general
>That Team Rocket alliteration/rhyming bastardization writing, especially in DP and XY's dubs
>Berries that are apples
>Veggies
You've got to be kidding me: TPCi's Pokemon dub is one of the worst I've ever seen in my life, and my tolerance for dubs is really high.
Granted, I get it- Pokemon doesn't have much to mess up.
>>141563598
Team Rocket were gold in the 4Kids dub.
Brock was pretty epic, too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHpSCZX9c5g
I thought Ash's 4Kids voice fit him a lot better than his TPCi voice, too, it really brought out his character and fit his age.
>>141560425
That was Nelvana. 4Kids doesn't use Canadian talent.
>>141563417
>>141563267
You can't butcher a piece of shit, which the OP anime undisputably is.
>>141563598
https://youtu.be/vDNzyytIw24
https://youtu.be/gmvWPiV37BM
https://youtu.be/iqvBT9fSEHw
>all those small music videos they used to air with the show
>>141553007
>The entire company is cancer.
You mean was cancer. They went out of the anime licensing business after getting their pants sued off by yugioh and a couple of others for cooking the books and breaches of contract.
>>141563838
How? OP Anime was pretty good, at least in earlier Arcs: the Dressrosa shit has been pretty underwhelming, though, admittedly.
FUNi does a great job with the dub, too.
>>141563849
4Kids did a fine job with Pokemon, really.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZnmO_8M8zE
>>141563947
And ironically, like Pokemon when TPCi took over, the Yu-Gi-Oh dubs have gotten worse since Konami took over.
Just listen to this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A16Ilypv624
4Kids did some things right after all.
>>141564139
That theme feels a lot like late 4kids honestly
Imagine if 4Kids wasnt a company that cared about being a commercial products whore and didnt make pointless edits for the FCC. The Yugioh and Pokemon dubs would have been gold standards of the late 90s-early 00s.
>>141564139
The opening is fine, the voice acting is horrendous though.
>>141564310
4K is literally just Konami-owned 4Kids so that's no surprise. All the same people work there.
>>141564339
The funny thing is TPCi Pokemon and Konami/4KMedia Yu-Gi-Oh Arc V use many of the same horrible voice actors, and I agree- a lot of the *actually talented and experienced* NYC voice actors have moved out of the area to Los Angeles or retired, it's actually really sad.
Most of the current NYC voice talent is pulled straight off the street or from abridged parody stuff these days- it really shows when I watch the current dubs of Pokemon & Yu-Gi-Oh, they're cancerously bad.
It would seem 4Kids wasn't the "worst" dubber after all.
>>141564337
Pretty much, true, they had genuinely talented people working for them on those Series. It's that ass Al Kahn who drove the company into crap- 4Kids' downfall didn't really begin until Sonic X, that's when things took a real downhill slide for them, imo.
>>141564359
Not at all: a lot of the people who worked on the older 4Kids dubs have retired or moved to other areas. Veronica Taylor & Rachael Lillis now do dubs for Viz Media in Los Angeles, for example, and Crispin Freeman (he was a script writer for 4Kids' Pokemon, I should add, no I'm not kidding). Eric Stuart went on to focus on his music career closer to where FUNimation is, though he's interested in voice acting.
It's ironically mainly newer talents coming out of theater or off the street doing the Arc V dub with Dunstan & Haigney being forced to direct their less than stellar abilities, which is sad.
>4kids located in NYC
>Millions of peoples and probably thousands of amateurs who could of used a role
>Somehow could only get like 15 distinct VAs and make voice multiple characters
It funny because Media Blasters was in the same boat for a number of years.
>>141563570
The problem is that you're going past the point of reiteration and into copious redundancy. The thread's full of the same point largely phrased the same with nothing real to add. That's not to say the sentiment is worthless, but that you're diminishing your own opinion my making others quicker to ignore it. And I say this as >>141563326, who generally agrees with you.
>>141564626
To their credit, 4Kids' distinct VAs were very talented, though. They had genuine ability in their field, and it's a shame to see people like Green (Yami Yugi) and Stuart (James, Kaiba) being swapped for crap like Liscio Jr. (Yuya) and Cathcart (James) nowadays.
>>141560889
>I'm surprised people liked Kirby's dub, actually.
Nostalgia's a hell of a drug.
>>141564766I only watched it when it came to the Wii the second time around, I thought it was pretty fitting for Kirby.
This coming from a huge Kirby fan.
>>141564729
True. Well, another thing I think 4Kids did right is they did Uncut DVD releases of Shaman King and Yu-Gi-Oh for a while with FUNimation.
That was glorious to see, honestly, real guns with no pointed fingers in particular.
>>141564766
Granted the Kirby Anime is honestly pretty crappy to start with, but the dub wasn't good for it, either.
>>141564852
Reminder this was a 4Kids dub, folks:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LWaEagOA3k
>>141564813
Honestly, I like Lewis and Stuart's work elsewhere, but I can't get behind Texan Dedede and Spanish Meta Knight. It's hilarious, but for all the wrong reasons, imo.
Tuff's voice is downright shit, though, it's the same voice the actress uses for 4Kids Coby from One Piece and TPCi Max from Pokemon- sounds like an old lady with a sinus infection.
>>141564766
When people say they like Kirby Dub, they really just mean King Dedede and Escargo(o)n
It still is wierd to me that 4kids didnt fuck up TMNT 2003. It was such good show.
>>141565059
Escargo's dub voice is alright, but what the heck is with Dedede's voice? Perhaps the worst thing I've heard Lewis do in his career, in all seriousness.
>>141565081
It's because they had the creator of the TMNT comics closely supervise 4Kids: TMNT 2003, Pokemon, and the Duel Monsters dub of Yu-Gi-Oh I will say were handled decently by 4Kids.
However, I don't think TMNT 2003 was their best show. The 1987 Series and 2012 Series have some aspects I liked about both as well: 4Kids' Krang was mediocre (I say this as someone who likes Grayson's voices a lot elsewhere), and Bebop as well as Rocksteady were kind of effed in 2009's film.
>>141560637
You can be lame and awesome at the same time, anon. Especially when you're that age.
But when you hit 13... well, that's why the elevens have the word "chuuni".
>>141564626
Welcome to the field of dubbing, and to a lesser extent, even American cartoons. Not all companies can afford to scour every single demo they're submitted, especially when they can pile in the thousands. If a casting director already has a working relationship with an actor from another project or even within the same one, it's often easier to cast them because they fit well enough and because they have a proven track record of being reliable, especially in a given context. A demo might sound good, but you don't know how many attempts it took to get a good read (and consistency is essential in the entire industry), or if the actor has any experience matching lip flaps if they're dubbing. They have a business to run, and why reinvent the wheel when you have a reliable stable? It's the same reason why Funimation does the same thing for all its big shows and stopped doing open casting calls years ago. Not everyone can be Nickelodeon or Blizzard and hire a full-time casting director, which leads to a lot of homogeny.
>>141564562
Plenty of voice actors do ADR scriptwriting to make ends meet. It's just the nature of the industry if you haven't made it big.
>>141565491
True, and being honest, 4Kids' script writing for Pokemon is leagues better than TPCi's has been.
The current TPCi writer James Cathcart thinks his alliterations, slang, and rhymes are funnier than the Japanese version and has said the Japanese version of Pokemon "is not funny at all."
Needless to say, Cathcart is a hack.
>>141565636
As far as writing goes TCPi and 4kids weren't really any better than each other. They were equally as bad and had the same issues.
The difference is the voice actors, where 4kids had acceptable ones TCPi had mediocre ones.
>>141564310
For Yu-Gi-Oh since Zexal, yes, but Konami hasn't changed a thing in that trend, unfortunately.
>>141560167
>the deck, it senses my doubts!
I don't know why but it sounds cool and fun at the same time
>>141565636
>The current TPCi writer James Cathcart thinks his alliterations, slang, and rhymes are funnier than the Japanese version and has said the Japanese version of Pokemon "is not funny at all."
How would you make Ash's heart attacks funny?
>>141565742
In my honest opinion, the script writing in the Pokemon dub has declined significantly since TPCi took over: I don't recall Team Rocket constantly saying stuff like:
"Dig it, jack, you'se lugs..."
"Prodigiously pilfering primo Pokemon before bedtime"
"Fiery flights"
in the 4Kids dub.
Ash also began saying "So psyched" constantly, "A'course," "Kay," "Observation! I'm an observer! I'm doin' it," "I'm not a noob," etc since TPCi took over.
Just...don't get me started on that, TPCi's script writing makes me cringe.
4Kids did some annoying rewrites, but nothing outright retarded like what TPCi comes up with.
Plus, TPCi has no sense of humor when it comes to the dialogue- 4Kids' dub had wit in that regard.
Though I agree 4Kids' actors are superior to TPCi's, regardless.
Also, TPCi fucked the intros...we went from minute long ones with 4Kids to 29-30 second ones with TPCi.
TPCi also fucked the music, too, replacing more of it than 4Kids ever did in the XY dub.
>>141565836
>For Yu-Gi-Oh since Zexal, yes
For most of 4kids shows since about 2004 or so.
>>141565878
Cathcart made Ash say shit like "seeing & doing" last dub episode like he was a poet.
All Satoshi said was he feels like he becomes Greninja in the Japanese version.
Seriously, TPCi's script writing reminds me of the 4Kids' One Piece dub's, and I mean that in the most offensive way possible.
>>141548908
They actually did a goodj ob with Muscle and slipped a lot by with jokes like
>"I know all your secrets Dad, even that one time where you were wearing Mom's clothing and she wrestled you into submission dressed as Buffaloman"
>>141566165
I actually like how 4Kids ADDED a literal ass for a character in the season of Ultimate Muscle they commissioned the Japanese to produce for them.
Ultimate Muscle was one of 4Kids' better efforts.
>>141546175
>Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles
I don't think that counts
It was pretty great tho
>>141566315
I did as well, a lot of the jokes were actually quite funny like the one I posted that you responded to and another one i'm a fan of is
>"We've been waiting and still no Kid"
>"Just like my marriage"
dont remember who it was between but that line stands out.
Also
>Dik Dik Van Dik
>>141566408
4Kids made it, so it counts.
That said, I disagree with that list for Pokemon: all 8 seasons would go in Great Tier for me.
>>141565979
>Ash also began saying "So psyched" constantly, "A'course," "Kay," "Observation! I'm an observer! I'm doin' it," "I'm not a noob," etc since TPCi took over.
You are aware Ash had been saying similar things for the time during the 4kids run right?
>"Dig it, jack, you'se lugs..."
>"Prodigiously pilfering primo Pokemon before bedtime"
>"Fiery flights"
That's like, their entire gimmick in both 4kids and TCPi.
Then you have things like the famous "Frying pan, drying pan"
Even one time characters had the annoying alliteration aspect for example when the biker gang gave Ash and Misty the nicknames of "Awesome Ash" and "Mighty Misty".
>>141566440
I like how Eric Stuart emphasized "DIK DIK" as well, that was pretty funny.
They also had Kid Muscle try to call Terry an asshole, IIRC, good stuff.
Holy shit it's all come back to me now
>>141566466
>You are aware Ash had been saying similar things for the time during the 4kids run right?
No, he didn't: Ash never said stuff like that in the 4Kids dub- it began with the TPCi dub. Only exception being "So psyched" which was used VERY sparingly in the 4Kids AG dub, but once TPCi took over, Ash began using it every other dub episode.
The "A'course" thing began with TPCi, too.
Worst things I've ever heard in the dub from Ash were from TPCi's dub when Ash said "At first, ya hated goin' inside your Pokeball," "We're gonna raise the roof," etc.
4Kids had Ash speak like a normal boy: I really appreciated the lack of slang, honestly.
>That's like, their entire gimmick in both 4kids and TCPi.
Nope: Meowth never said "Dig it, jack" in the 4Kids dub, nor did Jessie and James constantly alliterate back and forth.
>Then you have things like the famous "Frying pan, drying pan"
That's actually clever, though, to a degree.
>Even one time characters had the annoying alliteration aspect for example when the biker gang gave Ash and Misty the nicknames of "Awesome Ash" and "Mighty Misty".
That's true, but those are characters of the day, so it was easy to ignore. TPCi had these two guys in XY go "Yo, yo, yo" every other line as well- didn't happen in the 4Kids dub.
I legitimately liked the dub music they made for Yu-Gi-Oh. Unlike most of their replacement soundtracks, it felt like they actually gave a shit, and weren't just doing mickey mousing all the time.
A real shame it was mostly synthetic. I know they used live guitar (especially in GX), but if they had more live stuff in general, I think it would have probably elevated it up a lot higher.
>>141544195
how was Season 4?
Kill yourself
>>141566819
Kaiba's hacking theme was pretty epic, I must admit:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4v351FhLfo
4Kids in general had some talent when it came to music, honestly, I think a lot of their Pokemon dub intros are memorable in a good way.
IIRC the Japanese even said they considered the "Tears of Life" insert 4Kids did in their dub of the first Pokemon Movie even sadder than the Japanese version.
Didn't they say jackass in one 4kids dub?
>people saying YGO had a good dub
You are talking about the show that created the whole HEART OF THE CARDS and SEND YOU TO THE SHADOW REALM nonsense, right? And the removing tons of episodes, glowing dark energy disks, Brooklyn Jounouchi, British Bakura, Dr. Monarch Malik, Adam West Yugi, turning guns into slingshots, and all sorts of other nonsense, right?
Honestly I find 4kids VA's for One Piece better then the current funi VA's. Theres the obvious ones that are bad that have silly accents or something.
But fuck, you'd think after 300 odd episodes the funi VA for luffy would start having fun with it but it still sounds like its being dialed in for a pay cheque
>>141567110
The only thing I personally cared for regarding the GX dub was I think they chose their voice actors well for it (except for Wayland's Chumley and whoever did Hasselberry, but Wayland has always been shit and the latter was 4Kids' adding a retarded, unnecessary accent like they usually did).
The rest of it was bad, though, even 5D's had a better dub than GX.
AHH NEED A MONSTER TO BEAT TO DER KIRBY.
>>141567251
THAT'S WHAT WE DO BEST AT N M E
>>141567221
>hating on accents
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KlOInYn5-_0
>>141567221
>Jounouchi
You mean Joey Fucking Wheeler!
>>141567221
I actually never questioned the whole Shadow Realm thing when I first watched it. Even the fucking dark energy disks.
The whole shadow concept with the games and all that melded weirdly, and I never felt it was out of place.
You play a Shadow Game, and if you lose, you go to the Shadow Realm. Simple.
>>141567169
I don't think so, but 4Kids did throw around the words "die" and "death" quite a bit in their Pokemon dub.
>>141567221
YGO didn't have a good dub, per say, but it was tolerable enough, at least compared to the Odex dub.
In the Odex dub, you have surfer dude Yami, Texan Bakura, cowboy Sugoroku, etc.
I thought Jonouchi's Brooklyn accent was fine in the dub, honestly, he has Osakan dialect in Japanese after all.
Bakura's British accent worked well, too, he's polite after all and soft spoken most of the time before he goes Yami form.
Malik was shit in the dub, though, admittedly...but the Odex one is even worse, sounds like a woman.
Yugi's dub voice was great in Seasons 1-2, imo, it's when Dan Green started going all deep and gruff later it got worse.
>>141567235
I think the FUNi VA for Luffy does a great job, honestly, at first she did sound lifeless, but now Clinkenbeard puts a lot of energy and passion into the performance. Then again, I prefer FUNi's VAs for One Piece over 4Kids, but I do sort of relate: I much prefer 4Kids VA's for Pokemon over TPCi's.
>>141567112
>IIRC the Japanese even said they considered the "Tears of Life" insert 4Kids did in their dub of the first Pokemon Movie even sadder than the Japanese version.
Sounds like BS to me if you do not have a source.
I know Im trampling on people's childhoods, but Pokemon has a mediocre dub. The new music was awful and Veronica Taylor made Satoshi sound like a little girl, ahd they gutted Kasumi's personality. All these TCPI vs 4kids arguments is like arguing who took the cleanist shit. You're best bet is still the sub and you shouldn't be watching the dub anyway.
>>141567251
Still fucking hilarious to this day
I thought Spanish Meta Knight was cool and fit well though
>>141567169
In the uncut YGO dub 4Kids did, though, Yami did say "Hellfire's rage: exodal flame," though, not sure if that counts, or when Tea/Anzu said "Pheromone hussy" about Mai.
Even in the edited/cut 4Kids YGO dub, Tristan said "According to this, I'm dead" early on in Season 1. As I said before, 4Kids Pokemon had Brock in Season 1 say "If it's tail flame goes out, it'll die" and in Season 6, Ash said "This tree is dying" once.
I actually really appreciate the rhyming starting with operation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRwJvOm395E
>>141567314
IT BETTER COME WITH A MONEY BACK GUARANTEE
>>141567416
Honestly I haven't watched some of the later episodes of funi dub OP, I've only been watching clips, maybe Luffy's VA finally warmed up to it and I saw mediocre clips.
4kids just picked up the rights to dub your favorite anime.
How improved is it?
>>141567416
Odex kept the JP soundtrack and script at least. DM has one of the bext soundtra ks so 4kids techno synth shit is unbearable
>>141567455
Not that guy, but I distinctly remember hearing years back that the Japanese got an "international" cut of the film after it was released, that featured the 4kids changes and updates, so there might be something to what he's talking about.
lol
>>141567577
>4kids techno synth shit is unbearable
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDv68Yvgalc
It was synth, but there was some decent stuff there.
>>141567455
My source was TV Tropes, I read it online, but you can take that information with a grain of salt.
I disagree: Natochenny makes Ash sound like a teen girl-grown smoker, if anything. I though Taylor sounded like a boy as Ash, though yeah, she's not Matsumoto, don't get me wrong.
On top of that, 4Kids kept like 70% of the Japanese music in the first 3 dub seasons regardless, so the dub music was just filling in silence.
Kasumi (Misty) was actually better in the dub, though, imo, I like that she was more of a role model for girls than flaunting her appearance: Shigeru (Gary) was shit in the dub, though, but Cathcart is always shit for whatever reason- nasally and annoying.
The sub is obviously better, but out of the dubs, I'd rather 4Kids than TPCi- I don't have very high standards, though.
>>141567582
The US Pokemon dub used to aired in Jalan and was used as a tool to teach kids English. Doesn't mean they think it's better though
>>141566648
>Only exception being "So psyched" which was used VERY sparingly in the 4Kids AG dub
It really wasn't, the only reason you think so is because you're ignoring the fact that languages change over time especially slang common among children. Both were filled with the slang of their time and the reason you picked out AG there is because it used similar language as the TCPi dub but to a lesser degree due to being in that transitional phase.
Not to mention Ash used a lot of cartoon typical phrases like
>Nope: Meowth never said "Dig it, jack" in the 4Kids dub, nor did Jessie and James constantly alliterate back and forth.
>"At last we found a town where our taste won't go to waste"
>"Jessie's getting dressy"
>"and does James look hot or what"
Same episode mind you
>"Because we're team rocket!" "More like Team Racket!"
Between Misty and TR.
Not to mention 4Kids were the people who started the rhyming angle and popular slang in the first place.
>That's actually clever, though, to a degree.
It's not. It's very a simple rhyme, thinking it's good is a big crime.
See what I mean?
>but those are characters of the day
The problem being that it was apparent in quite a large amount of them as well as the main cast.
>TPCi had these two guys in XY go "Yo, yo, yo" every other line as well- didn't happen in the 4Kids dub.
That's because 4Kids had their own issues on the same tier.
I don't think you get what I'm trying to say here.
>>141567577
That's true, but Odex has horrible voice actors, and some of the "Cool dude" stuff wasn't in the Japanese version's script. The VA work is just too distracting, imo.
Some of the dub music is bearable in DM, imo, but yeah, the Japanese version's OST is much better, especially Passionate Duelist.
>>141567562
>Jack Jackson's Jarring Journey
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