Does Strange Fake has the strongest set of servants in all of Fate franchise?
>pic related Gil vs qt Lancer girl
>>141513625
>girl
I am the shiggy of my diggy
>>141513625
Is strange fake connected to fate zero or it's a different universe?
13 servants in all
>Gilgamesh - Has all the weapons of all time, and if using them all out this time around
>Enkidu - Divine weapon of the gods who also has all weapons, can become all things, and has counter force powers.
>Pale Rider - Literally disease incarnate, a concept of death might be impossible
>Jack the Ripper - Undetectable, and can counter fully human servants somehow.
>Richard the Lionheart - Anything he picks up is Excalibur, and can summon other servants to back him up on occasion.
>Durmas - Can create fake NPs stronger than the originals
>Zealot Hassan - Who has all the powers of all other Hassan. Summoned by Dead Apostle
>Heracles - Was originally summoned as Archer, but was warped using Fuyuki mud and his hatred from life using a command spell to reject his divinity. He loses godhand and divinity, but has every other item from his life, also Avenger class buffs
>Hippolyta - Queen of Amazons, belt can increase parameters enough to punch Heracles through a mountain
>Prelati - Demon summoner, and Caster. Who was summoned by the still living Prelati.
>Watcher - Most mysterious entity in the war, might be the counter force, if summoned normally its class would be gate-keeper. Enkidu says something dangerous was summoned, it shapeshifts into various figures its killed throughout history like Ahab, Orion, etc.
>Berserker Edison who is a lion who controls machines, and runs off electricity? He was going to kill his master original, but whatever is currently posessing the Einzbern Homuncules at the moment, probably a divine spirit, scared him into contracting officially.
>Hassan with EX presence concealment, nothing can be read on his stat sheet. Can be active without a master fully.
>>141514038
Takes place after the fifth war, route is unknown.
American magi constructed a grail based off the Fuyuki one. They knew it would be fucked up the first two or three times they did the ritual, so they just let it turn into Chaos at first as they'd figure it out.
>>141514104
>Prelati
Wait, he summoned himself? That's fucking amazing.
>Hassan
Will this be the one time we get a legitimate Assassin? Watch the war end without him killing a single Master.
Really hope Narita doesn't waste this much potential like Apocrypha did. Also, at this rate, it won't be done in the next 10 years.
Prelati seems to be getting along with Prelati at least
>>141514310
Prelati is like Zouken, with all the body shifting throughout generations. Except without the soul degeneration, since they're wearing the skin like a costume, with a zipper on the back somehow.
Enkidu, Richard, and Zealot have formed an alliance for now since they're rational types.
>>141514353
Oh shit, Prelati was the semen demon loli after all? That's god damn amazing.
>>141514104
>Takes place after the fifth war
So this Gil is not connected to Fate zero?
>>141514310
True Assassin is there specifically to show Fake Assassin her place as a mere pretender to the name of Hassan i-Sabbah.
She was Hundred-Faced Hassan's primary rival for the position, but all she ever was able to do was imitate the Zabaniyas of the Hassans that came before her, sometimes correctly replicating them and sometimes just creating what she thought was the real thing (based only on rumor and speculation).
We don't know anything about True Assassin's backstory yet, but he's a stone cold motherfucker who is literally undetectable.
>>141514396
Does Ayaka and Saber has romance between each other?
>>141514518
>implying he is not Cain
>>141514518
>True Assassin is there specifically to show Fake Assassin her place as a mere pretender to the name of Hassan i-Sabbah.
>
>She was Hundred-Faced Hassan's primary rival for the position, but all she ever was able to do was imitate the Zabaniyas of the Hassans that came before her, sometimes correctly replicating them and sometimes just creating what she thought was the real thing (based only on rumor and speculation).
That's your assumption
People during her age were jealous of her, which is why she didn't get the position. However other Hassan leaders throughout time are not jealous, and wonder why she didn't become leader
During FGO cursed hand hassan wonders how 4th Hassan could possibly become a Hassan leader with how weak they are, and the other girl would have been far better.
He'll fight her as a proper Hassan, maybe show her the ropes a bit, but not reject her nature.
>>141514588
She hates him, she doesn't want to be part of this war, and she freaks out when she seems blood.
There's a second Ayaka in Romania at the moment, so something is up.
>>141513625
>Does Strange Fake has the strongest set of servants in all of Fate franchise?
Not only strongest, they're fucking over powered>>141514104
>>141514487
Strange/Fake isn't connected to F/Z or F/SN at all, right? It's an alternative universe?
>>141514696
CCC still might have stronger servants in some ways for now.
Partially because they go beyond simply broken territory, and into some origin of life and all creation bullshit. Kingprotea alone is still basically the strongest summonable thing in existence.
>>141513625
Solomon incinerates them.
>>141514610
She's a Faker, she doesn't deserve the position and someone who is actually capable of originality like 4th War Hassan is far more deserving of the position.
>>141514652
>She hates him, she doesn't want to be part of this war, and she freaks out when she seems blood.
Then how Richard deal with this cunt? Follow her all the time like some kind of stalker?
>>141514487
He doesn't have the memories from his F/Z or F/SN incarnation, it's a fresh summon.
>>141514719
>>141514487
You keep saying something, no knows how to answer exactly since you were answered already and took it some some odd direction.
"It takes place after the fifth war", dissect what that means to get your answer. The fifth war is mentioned more than a few times in F/S. Don't ask what route it was.
>>141514765
Solomon is probably too powerful for even Kingprotea to defeat. Just one of his ten NP rings unleashes an attack equivalent to a million excaliblasts at once that destroyed time completely and utterly, with the exception of special singularities.
>>141514652
She doesn't hate him, she's just annoyed by him.
Can somebody explain why almost every Assassin is Hasan? From my understanding, it's something to do with the word coming from his name, so the word "Assassin" alone is a relic that causes him to show up?
But in that case, why did neither Kirei and Tokiomi, or Zouken come up with specific relics to summon actual decent servants? Both Tokiomi and Zouken obviously have the power to come up with god-tier relics, hence Gil and Medusa. With Tokiomi I guess it can be explained away as him not wanting to give something powerful enough to get past Gil, but why would Zouken of all people settle with Hasan?
>>141514922
Nah, Solomon is on par with 9 tailed Tamamo according to Tamamo in her interlude. King Protea is around Amaterasu's level who is another level beyond 9 tailed Tamamo.
>>141514922
Fuck off with your cancer back to /fgog/ dumb FGOfag.
>>141515044
Fuyuki grail was set up so that it forced any Assassin summoning to be Hassan originally
Other people can qualify, but the legitimate grail is only supposed to allow Hassan. Because those are the only Assasins that the three families could guarantee are still legitimate heroes, and because the Assassin class was meant to lose in the first place. Only the three knight classes were supposed to win.
Assassins other than Hassan are usually closer to anti-heroes, they are not true heroes. The grail was originally set up to limit it so only true heroes could be summoned, before it was warped.
>>141515092
I guess we know where Origin-boosted Servants are in the power scale, then. I guess that's what Grand Servants must be in general.
>>141515148
Okay, thanks senpai. That actually makes sense. I really wish that more of this shit was translated so I could read the actual explanations myself.
How long until Nasu finally lets someone summon Jesus? We already have artifacts for him so they don't even need to asspull one.
>>141513625
link for raw please
Is it me or this Gil looks a bit older compared to his Zero and F/SN counterpart?
>>141515148
As a reminder as well, only the Fuyuki war had this rule in place, that hassan is the one that has to be summoned.
Different grail wars have different rules.
Its not a contradiction when other assassins are summoned in other contests. Other heroes could qualify from the start as that class, but in the Fuyuki contest it was supposed to limit it harshly.
>>141515258
so far I can only find chink translations
http://www.dm5.com/manhua-fate-strange-fake/
>>141515253
None of the supposed artifacts of Jesus are real, anon. They're all fakes that were created centuries ago. Jesus's real shawl, the real Lance of Longinus, and the grail from which he drank were either lost to the decay of time or destroyed in the last 2,000 years.
>>141515311
doesn't matter
arigatou
>>141515322
He pretty obviously means in the franchise, Martha and several other FGO Servants reference Jesus in their profiles.
>>141514610
>People during her age were jealous of her, which is why she didn't get the position.
They were jealous, but more than that they didn't like the idea of her extremism being coupled with so much power. Who knows, they might have been much more welcome to the idea of seeing her as Hassan if she wasn't quite so much of a fanatic.
>>141515363
oh right
>>141515322
They really should have made evil Jesus show up at the end of every war with the grail. You can't have a war with ancient characters being resurrected to fight for something called the holy grail and not include Jesus.
>>141514610
>During FGO cursed hand hassan wonders how 4th Hassan could possibly become a Hassan leader with how weak they are, and the other girl would have been far better.
That's rich coming from Cursed Arm Hassan.
He'd get his ass destroyed by Hundred-Faced Hassan because there's no way he can handle 100 highly skilled killing machines at once, and his Noble Phantasm isn't suited for fighting groups of enemies either.
>>141515269
Literally the worst character in the series.
>>141515478
>Evil Jesus
This is always a damn stupid idea. Buhhda is immune to all six billion curses in the world, Gilgamesh is as well, you think Jesus isn't as well when him taking all sins upon him and overcoming them all is literally part of his lore? Part of his story is literally that he already overcome the world and all evils long ago.
Even people who merely met Jesus in lore gained passive divinity, even those people gained the ability to overcome sin and have indomitable will. You think Jesus himself isn't ten times more broken than that? Jesus isn't evil, he's not Avenger either, he's the perfect holy martyr as an entire point.
If Fate gets anything right at all, then he would be portrayed somewhat like Karna if he's portrayed correctly. Except a bit more passionate about things like salvation.
>>141514104
Is Richard a True saber?
>>141515652
Yes, there isn't a Fake Saber in the Fake Holy Grail War because reasons
So don't lump him in with those faggot-ass fakers, Richard is the real fuckin deal, right down to the marrow of his bones
>>141515652
The Saber class bridges the Fake and True wars. Rick is the only Saber, so calling him Fake Saber or True Saber is sort of redundant and misleading.
>>141514487
Gil is stated to have been summoned two times already, so the 4th and 5th war happened.
magnificent
>>141515692
I was just confused because anon listed his name along with the fake servants.
>>141515793
I love it when Gil is going all out.
How have there been so many spinoffs but we still haven't gotten a situation where Saber has to fight a Saberclone? Mordred and Saber need to have a rematch
>>141513625
>>141515269
>>141515513
>>141515793
why the manga art of strange fake is so good compared to other fates?
>>141515937
Because Narita is actually skilled when it comes to write a chaotic story involving multiple characters. And this is exactly what F/SF is.
>>141515926
Grudge matches are like one of the few things that Fate hasn't really given much spotlight up to this point
Even though they're an incredible idea, only Lancelot vs. Saber has really happened
>>141516009
Gilgamesh vs Heracles is going to happen anon, and Heracles seems to be pretty pissed off.
>>141516009
We might get a proper Hippolyta vs. Alcides grudge match actually, and that could be very interesting.
>>141515618
Besides jesus is kind of considered the holy grail so there's no point if he's summoned
Why is Hippolyta the coolest Rider in the series up to this point?
She rides a horse, uses a bow and arrow, punches shit, and IIRC she must have a spear or sword as well
why dont they just summon santa and ask for the holy grail for christmas?
>the only good fate is Zero and strange fake the rest are utter shit.
>>141515937
It's pretty good but HF manga is better.
>>141516081
"Heracles is super de duper mad about Ilya and is getting his revenge now!!! SUck it Gil!", is nothing but a fan theory.
Heracles doesn't remember Ilya, isn't angry, and refuses to attack Gil's master which is the reason that Heracles master warps him with grail mud.
Heracles master took away his morality and created a bitter hate machine because he just wanted a death machine who would kill everyone. He drove Heracles mad by forcing him to remember the hatred from his life when Hera made him kill his own children, not Ilya. Now he hates divine things supposedly.
>>141516184
You called ?
>>141515996
does narita consult to nasu when it comes to the story?
>>141514104
Either disease incarnate, or one of the riders of the apocalypse
>>141516302
Yes, all guest writers do.
>>141516259
He said that only the weaks and "mindless beast" would be caught by GoB when he faced Gil. Maybe it's just fan service, or he recalled something about their fight.
>>141516302
Yes
He also notes at the end of each volume how he's always losing his mind over Nasu's choices, both coming and going. Nasu keeps telling him to go further with it, Narita said its crazy that Enkidu is so powerful, Nasu tells him to calm down.
Narita says that Nasu may have used one of his ideas he was considering in FGO, like Nasu predicted him too quickly. Nasu is a genius when it comes to chuuni bullshit, he can see what you're going to do before you do it.
>>141516230
>It's pretty good but HF manga is better.
The heaven's feel manga art is not as good as strange fake's in my opinion.
>>141516230
Not after the most recent chapter. They couldn't make an exposition dump look more interesting than "heads from different angles". Which begs the question of how they're going to handle some of the stuff later in the route
>>141516186
PEPE SERVANT WHEN?!
>>141516420
Talking about the art style/quality specifically. They're both pretty good in that regard anyway.
>>141516259
>and created a bitter hate machine
It´s herakles it won´t last for long.
>>141516391
Yeah, what the fuck is up with Enkidu?
Presence Detection and the self-modification thing are both cool and powerful on their own, but Enkidu having his own fucking Gate of Babylon is absurd and has not even the slightest basis in the myth.
>>141516493
His master shoved a mana crystal inside of him that will power him for a month straight.
Its made from 25,000 human souls.
>>141516529
Read CCC, he's had this ability for ages.
https://tsukinoura.wordpress.com/2013/12/15/entry-111-someone-elses-dream/
Him creating weapons is a subset of his transformation. He's a weapon of the gods made out of clay, he can repurpose his clay into any form or shape he chooses, which is the basis for his abilities.
I wish we would get more Arthurian knights.
I want Escanor to show up so he can have a sunny d off with Gawain
or ascended Galahad that just has his own holy grail included.
>>141516529
It has about as much basis as Gilgamesh being a blonde dude in golden plate armor who bombards people with treasures fired from a magical wormhole.
>>141516626
Galahad is in FGO
He already returned the grail to heaven, in exchange for one request. His request is that he chooses when he dies.
>>141516626
Galahad is already in F/GO, he's actually not all that strong compared to the rest of the round table, he just has A++ defensive capabilities.
>>141516600
Yeah okay sure Enkidu being a clay-based Unlimited Blade Works makes tons of sense
Who else is gonna get Unlimited Blade Works except better as an ability? We've already got half a dozen by now.
>>141515996
>Narita
>skilled
Pick one. DRRR was pure shit.
>>141514104
>Richard the Lionheart - Anything he picks up is Excalibur
does Richard's excalibur has the same quality like the one with arthuria's?
and based with this image I guess he can make avalon as well.
>>141516696
did he choose to die the day Saber ended up burning her kingdom to the ground?
>>141516814
It's nowhere near as strong as the real Excalibur.
>>141516696
Also the true holy grail doesn't grant endless greed and wishes without heed of morality or deserving.
True holy grail does "something", but not wishes. Grails that grant greed without question are divergent of the chalice of the whore of babylon.
True holy grail might grand immortality or something.
>>141516734
>He's not actually that strong
Current form is just demi-servant, meaning that even someone using a fraction of his true power has beaten Lancelot and Arthuria a few times already in the story, and Mashu is still getting stronger and learning how to use his power, her power is growing.
>>141516823
Saber just assumed he died like the others on that day.
Really he died walking back to Camelot, because a bunch of people from heaven came down to tell him he was the greatest, and he said "Well, its not getting better than this" and chose to die.
>>141516626
>I wish we would get more Arthurian knights.
nah, I want more European kings.
>>141515513
>it seems that in this war
wait, he couldn't in f/z and f/sn ?
Also I thought he was a Gil without memories like >>141514859 said so how does he know about the other wars?
>>141514409
It was pretty obvious even back in the first volume. I don't know why some people thought it wasn't him.
>>141516903
Mashu can beat Lancelot and Saber Alter because she has Galahad's shield, which is B+++ rank and surpasses even Excalibur's power with its sheer defensive value.
She's getting stronger, but it's still the NP that is powerful, not her or Galahad.
Same could be argued of Arturia, though.
>>141516850
Does that mean if he grabs his dick it becomes excalibur?
>>141517030
Only if he regards it as a weapon.
>>141517048
would a condom become avalon?
>>141517089
Either the condom or the vagina of the woman he's boning.
Or ass.
Or mouth/throat, maybe?
>>141516960
He's usually king of arrogance, so he always putz around and does nothing, and loses because he's arrogant. Nasu says that if he was ever serious he would be a dreaded servant killer without question however. Him being arrogant is supposed to be the counter to him being broken as shit.
Enkidu being summoned was enough to get him serious off the bat.
Its a war where they can rationalize him using his full power rather than fucking around like usual
He starts off the fight against Enkidu by using Ea, and only goes up from there.
>>141517157
no one can defeat Gil without plot armor.
>>141516991
All of Fate's battles can be summed up as
>welp I'm gonna lose if I don't use my NP against this guy who's more skilled/stronger/faster than me
>trump card with an absurdly complex chuuni name go!
>Oh no the other guy had another trump card that beats mine!
>good thing I have this trump card that beats trump cards!
Nothing matters except noble phantasms. It's all so fucking hollow after you realize it.
Guess I should give up hope on ever seeing a normal Heracles in a grail war
Because if I keep hoping, he'll probably end up genderbent or something stupid the next time he shows up
>>141517545
>genderbent
>he doesn't know about the 3 years Heracles spent as a woman in the myth
>>141516814
>blonde dyed Ayaka
FUCKING WHY?! THE BLACK HAIR IS SO MUCH BETTER!
>>141517545
He was normal Heracles this time, a normal and good Archer.
His master was a dickbag though, and didn't like having a hero with so many morals.
>>141517545
It's okay anon, Hippolyta is gonna beat the evil out of Alcides with her bare hands if she has to.
I wonder who Hippolyta's master is, and why he/she is letting her run so rampant, anyways.
>nose
OYYYYYY VEYYYYYYYY
>>141517430
The real problem is that none of the mages generally have the intelligence to actually bothering to do some fucking research because they're all retarded.
The point of the servants hiding their NP is so that noone can know who they are and figure out a weakness from that. Then they go right ahead and don't even bother exploiting the weaknesses of any summoned heroes.
>>141513625
>thinking fate-powerlevels are dependenton anything other than how much crystal meth Nasu's smoked
Tell me about Hercules why does he wear a towel mask?
>>141518031
To hide his scar, do you know how get got those?Why so serious?
>>141517966
This isn't DBZ after all; Stats are a thing, skills are a thing, strategy is a thing, skill in arms is a thing, NP are a thing, everything is a thing rather than being linear "My power level is 2000 and yours is 1800, so I win" like some people seem to want.
There are a thousand ways to get a chance upon the opponent because of this. If he's better than you in stats, then use strategy or NP instead. If he has a better NP, then don't make it a contest of NP, figure out a way around him.
Anyone can beat anyone situationally or depending on how they use their abilities.
>>141517229
Gilgamesh can't defeat anyone without plot power.
>>141518131
If it was pulled off would he die?
>>141517897
Man you're so right.
Apocrypha was the fucking worst about it.
You had two servants whose entire schtick was having legendary weak points in their super armor - Achilles and Siegfried. Them revealing their identity by using a NP would be a risky move because of their well known legends and weaknesses.
Siegfried dies before his identity can be revealed and that weak point ever comes into play (it still doesn't matter because it never comes up for Sieg).
And Achilles' identity is instantly revealed when Chiron recognizes him despite him never using a NP, and Chiron does target his heel at first, but then drops it and nobody ever aims for it again because Chiron doesn't actually need to due to being divine, they have their fight, and then Achilles dies saving Atalanta in a situation that had nothing to do with his heel.
So, yeah, I'm mad.
>>141517602
>BLACK HAIR
Looks brown desu.
>>141518179
no probably let the avenger par tof him dominate and he would be a terminator
>>141518239
he's a big guy
>>141518031
His wife was jealous.
She wanted that he only loves her.
So she put a loves potion on his favorite shirt.
She didn´t know it was a basically acid.
It destroyed herkules skin and his wife killed herself.
>>141518541
Are the women in Greece so crazy?
>>141518541
Was it A-rank acid?
>>141518597
She was tricked into it by a dying centaur whom Heracles had killed. In some variations, it was Hera who convinced her that Heracles was cheating on her.
But yes, the moral of the story is that even the greatest man can be destroyed if you target his loved ones.
>>141517569
>he doesn't know about the 3 years Heracles spent as a woman in the myth
Was that also includet in his 12 labours?
>>141518635
Hydra blood, so probably A++ at a minimum
>>141517605
>His master was a dickbag though, and didn't like having a hero with so many morals.
No, he asked him if killing loli Master was okay with him (Gil and Pale Rider Masters are little girls) since it's the easiest way to deal with powerful/dagerous Servants, and he said no. That's why he turned him into evil Towel Man.
>>141518681
>it was Hera
That´s basically his whole story
>>141518695
No, it was a separate penance for killing a friend during a fit of madness sent by Hera, post 12 labors.
>>141518681
remember kids when you are a hero you must not have a family
>>141518681
Also, she legit thought it was just a potion that would make him have only eyes for her. Poor girl was just a bit gullible. Heracles forgave her; he probably loved her for her emotional and mental purity in the first place.
Scans never.
Any guess for his Ex np?
Could it be about him holding the sky.
or him breaking the unbreaking chains of Prometheus.
Or him killing as the only mortal the giants.
>>141519215
Since it's Alcides and not Heracles, it has to have something to do with his human side. All those feats are very divine in nature.
Will a Ruler show up in this fate?
>>141519215
Probably another sublimation.
>>141519377
Not as far as it has been indicated.
>>141519215
All of his Labor are in the King's Order NP. His EX NP must be something else.
>>141519377
No Ruler yet, but Avenger is stated to take part in this war.
>>141519377
Maybe. In the first volume it was brought up as a possibility.
>>141516539
Who the fuck is his master?
...Are they Jewish souls?
>>141519504
>His EX NP must be something else.
Didn´t Archer mentioned that herkuled tamed the wildnature for humanity?
What in the fuck is Type-MOON's boner with Francois Prelati?
Dude was a fucking hack who robbed Gilles de Rais blind and probably got fucked in the ass by him as well.
But here he is, a super op mage who can summon himself as a servant?
I usually like how they take historical/mythical figures and spin them into crazy shit because it's usually not all that far out - but this Prelati shit is pandering.
>inb4 Prelati was a semen demon loli before tho
Even fucking worse because irl Prelati and Gilles de Rais raped and murdered children on a regular basis - to be portrayed as a semen demon loli is just tone deaf awful.
>>141519650
Some James Bond villain with weird eyes and looted tech from Medea's original master in FSN.
>>141519650
This guy >>141517605
>>141519736
>implying a semen demon loli can't rape and murder children on a regular basis
>doesn't even have the Hero of Heroes
What's the difference between True Hassan and Jack the Ripper in Strange Fake?
Don't they have basically the same abilities?
>>141520041
Jack is a shapeshifter. Hassan is so good at hiding he literally becomes the darkness.
>>141520158
So Jack doesn't have any presence concealment? Can't other servants tell he's a servant?
>becomes the darkness
Like Li Shuwen basically?
What do we know about their personalities so far? They seem pretty interesting
I hope they don't fuck up strange fake it has a potential to surpass zero.
>>141519504
>Avenger
I know people were thinking Dumas would summon Dantes, but couldn't that have been referring to Heracles's double class?
>>141520286
No to much of a coincident
>>141520286
No, Narita said he would appear in F/GO first, and we have Manjew, Jeanne Alter and Dantes as Avenger for now.
>>141518886
yes.
Manga vol.1 and vol.2 was scanned
Novel only vol.1 and vol.2 was scanned but no the vol.3
>>141514104
Just waiting for odyseus to wander in
>>141514104
>probably a divine spirit
please everybody except her.
>>141520637
TM is saving that for when Shinji gets added to GO.
>>141514396
>Enkidu, Richard, and Zealot have formed an alliance
What about Gil?
>>141518762
I chortled.
Is there any chance of Arturia/Emiya appearing in Strange Fake? If there is, I might pick it up.
>>141520716
Getting BTFO'd by everybody.
>>141520755
No, and thank fuck for that.
>>141520693
Seriously?
>>141520755
>Is there any chance of Arturia/Emiya appearing in Strange Fake?
Fuck No, I might drop it if she did.
>>141520821
Yes. Trust me on this, my dad is Japan.
>>141520755
Emiya get referenced by Dumas.
>>141516734
Galahad is not in FGO. Mashu is a demi servant and she's not even using his power correctly.
Yet she has already beaten powerhouses.
>>141520755
>Arturia/Emiya appearing in Strange Fake
Fuck that. It's already bad enough that Gil is in there, adding TM's cashcow Takeuchi waifu and Nasu's super special boring "cool" guy OF servant would only make everything worse.
CCC is still higher on powerlevel tierlist on the True Route.
>>141520756
W8 wut?
>>141521040
Archer is much better than Gilgamesh.
Gil and Enkidu are easily the worst part of F/SF. Enkidu is a shit character that sucks Gil's cock way too much. Everyone else is better.
>>141521089
He's yet to win a single fight, everybody he matches up against either counters his swordspam and laughs at him before legging it, or fights him off.
>>141521081
How so?
>>141514922
Solomon is shit. Can't even beat Amaterasu
>>141521089
People seriously hate Gilgamesh on this board and on /vg/ for various reason, they get off to hating him.
So they get off on stating how he's absolutely shit beaten out of him dead in the water fucked over by everyone.
In reality, no actual damage so far, he's just annoyed. He's fought twice so far, one was a draw, and the second was interrupted with no damage on either side.
Does anybody have that old list of servants?
It'd probably be nearly impossible to make a big chart now that would actually be able to show each servant/iteration/identity, what with all the fluff from GO and dual-groups from the novels.
>>141521089
>summoned as a fake
>cockblocked by Birthday Ghost
>BTFO'd by Towelman
>NTR'd by Rick
>>141521229
>not being able to solo one of the strongest beings in Nasuverse means he's shit
Also, other heavenly pantheons when?
>>141521207
Sakura clones are technically servants under the mooncell system, Saver still exists, your playable servant gets an origin body upgrade (making Gil and Caster stronger than any servant in SF), and Gawain + Li Shuwen are still fucking broken pieces of absurd shit, and Shiki is still knocking about iirc.
>>141514104
Dumas is white. What the fuck.
>>141521279
Amaterasu is not even type level.
>>141521207
Have you seen CCC true route? Your servant has to be buffed to the point of controlling distance between the entire galaxy, is faster than light speed, controls time and space, to just be able to complete with the last two bosses at all.
One monster from CCC is strong enough to destroy stars, and another rules over three thousand worlds potentially.
Its what happens when you end up fighting the Mooncell itself, or fighting something that wishes upon the Mooncell to become all powerful basically.
>>141521229
The most powerful being on earth has only the slimmest chance of beating Amaterasu on her double home turf, the Moon.
>>141521242
Heracles shattered his armor with a normalfag arrow
>>141521325
Nine Tailed Tamamo is capable of beating True Demon Kiara, who IS type level.
Amaterasu is stronger than both of them to the point that neither would stand a chance against her.
>>141521279
Amaterasu is pretty mid tier for a goddess anywhere but the Moon Cell, isn't she?
And even then, Types and Primordial Demons should exceed them.
Still dumb to say a Grand Servant is weak for not being on her level though.
>>141521310
There's also 100+ other servants besides those.
>>141521089
He got cockblocked in his fight with Enkidu, and he was reduced to yelling like a toddler in his fight against True Archer.
>>141521310
>Sakura clones are technically servants under the mooncell system
Alter Egos are technically servants under any system, drama CD confirms they're recorded in the throne even if they're unlikely to be summoned in other world lines due to how its hard to find a catalyst for that.
They're summonable in FGO eventually already confirmed.
>>141521268
Top kek, what faggot.
>>141521383
Didn't damage him though, that's kind of the purpose of armor. Its what stands between you and being damaged.
Also he only got his gauntlet shattered by protecting Tine if I remember. He perceived where the arrow would aim, and put his hand out so his master wouldn't be hurt.
>>141521398
Kiara was sabotaged by the nature of how Hans had her ascend, though. It's explicitly stated none of the servants would EVER beat her if she hadn't been fucked her over.
>>141521348
>CCCfag is here
That never happens. They do move faster than light but they never control galaxies and there are no star busting feats, literally hyperbole.
You've been BTFO a million times in both /a/ and /fgog/ CCCfag, stop spreading your headcanon
>>141521383
>normalfag arrow
I don't get it.
>>141521314
Not only that, he talks like a ghetto nigger.
>>141521458
Saber swinging unsheathed Excalibur was not able to penetrate Gil's armor even with a dozen blows, and unsheathed Excalibur is a 1000 to Invisible Air's 30 on the sword sharpness and power rating scale.
>>141521484
>/fgog/
Fuck off crossboarder. Nobody cares about your general.
>>141521492
only a normal arrow shot from 20 km and at a supersonic speed
>>141520973
>creates fake NP's stronger than originals
He's like Shirou's/Archer's wet dream.
>mfw he learns to make a drill powerful enough to escape being a Counter Guardian
>>141521349
Except that's not what it says?
It says Berserker Arcueid had to be nerfed to a point where Amaterasu would stand a chance.
It's not even full powered Arcueid(and obviously not Archetype Earth) she can't even use Ultimate One properly and she has been downgraded from planet to god
>>141521484
Not that guy but Caster does reduce the distance between galaxies in digital space to zero at one point after she's sent to other side of one.
Couldn't Caster just out swordspam Gil?
>>141521583
it uses a lot of stamina to create the a noble phantasm each time it it not as easy like what emiya do
Is the book farther along than the manga?
>>141521458
>Also he only got his gauntlet shattered by protecting Tine if I remember. He perceived where the arrow would aim, and put his hand out so his master wouldn't be hurt.
>Gil
>Giving a fuck about his master
????
>>141521570
It's literally said she flies.
The rest is Casko speaking weird about love and all her moe garbage that she loves to spout.
>>141521558
He's more power over number compared to them.
So he can make stronk NP copies, but he can't swordspam or generate new ones on the fly.
It's a fair tradeoff tbqh
>>141521627
she is from the old civilisation who guarded the country where babylon was she is like his subjects and a king protect his people (sometime)
>>141521583
He doesn't make new shit very fast. Team Justice & Blow is getting on quality over quantity instead.
>>141521640
She flies after having reduced the distance to zero, yes.
The moe love garbage was just her explanation for how she pulled it off.
>>141521268
>>141521383
>>141521405
Gil didn't use EA against archer Herc.
>>141521627
He's a father figure for Tine, he likes kids officially as shown in Ataraxia. Before you bring up basement orphans, that was just Kotomine's side project, Gil is confirmed to have spent the time between wars in child form. Even if someone didn't like this fact, officially Gil likes and is popular with kids. He's also very good with most of his masters officially.
Gilgamesh is a good master with Kotomine, Tine, Hakuno; people give him shit but he's very accommodating as long as you're not a pussy, like Tokiomi.
He tells Tine that its fine if she acts like a child and foolish in front of him, she's permitted to make mistakes and he'll cover for her.
He treats her very well
>>141521484
Is CCC good?
I am still studying japanese, but it looks so good.
Is it hard or are you a native?
>>141521755
there is a english version
>>141521563
Uh, no. Berserker Arc is so weak that even Caster can beat her.
What Nasu said in that extra material was that normal Arc - 30% Arc - would only have the slimmest of chances of beating Amaterasu. That means, even if she went all out and unleashed 100% of her power, she would still only have middling odds of winning.
>>141521739
>protecting brown loli
This Gil is a good guy
Is there any group translating this as of now ?
>>141521736
Herc encouraged him to use it and Gil tried to play it cool, Herc said it was his last chance but since he didn't want to use EA then we has going to die a fool.
Then Rider appeared out of nowhere to save Gil's ass
>>141521736
Yeah, and he made himself look like a moronic manchild because of it.
>>141521755
It's probably Nasu's best written story in terms of the prose and execution of the themes, but whether or not you'll like it is subjective.
If you wanna see a sci-fantasy love story (in the truest and strangest sense possible) by him, go for it.
>>141521807
Only F/SN Gil was the shitty one, but people still can't forgive him for even that much.
The entire irony is that he's in the reverse position from Heracles now, where Gil is protecting his loli, and Heracles is trying to kill her.
>>141521787
>slimmest chances
Anon it's backwards, the materials say that Arcueid was nerfed to a level where Amaterasu might stand a chance.
The talk about % is your headcanon, the entry is about white Berserker
>>141521405
>he was reduced to yelling like a toddler in his fight against True Archer.
Elaborate
>>141521808
Give me raws or even Chinese version and I can give it a try.
>>141521879
No it's not, the kanji used in that specific bit of trivia specifically refers to 30% Arceuid.
Listen to yourself. Berserker Arceuid is so weak she can't even win a Grail War. How could she possibly give Amaterasu a hard time?
>>141521881
>Gil swordspams
>Archer easily counters
>Gil swordspams hard
>Archer counters and shatters Gil's armour with a normal arrow
>Gil tries to talk tough
>Archer calls him a little bitch
>Gil gets pissy
>>141521881
He started ranting like a pathetic bitch, remember his fight against Shirou when Shirou mocked him and called him useless with a weapon?
Well Berserker told him that GoB was garbage and nobody decent would give a shit about it
>>141521809
>>141521822
He was just holding back because herc don't deserve to see its power.
>>141521865
This is what delusional CCCfags keep telling themselves.
>>141521627
You wouldn't protect this delicious brown loli ?
>>141517229
Various Indian heroes probably could but that's only because indian mythology is chuuni as fuck
>>141521780
No there isn't
>>141521865
Fuck, I'll try it but is it hard to read?
>>141522006
Maybe not his best story overall. But I'm pretty he himself said it was his best Fate story.
>>141521958
You're confusing things to shift the meaning in a way where you seem like you're trying to slide something past here.
Only his gauntlet broke, and that was before he sword-spammed at all. The only piece of his armor that broke was before the fight started.
Archer was never even aiming at Gil in the first place, he was always aiming at Tine. Gilgamesh didn't sword spam and then lose out as his armor broke, as he was now losing badly. You shifted his armor breaking to the bottom of the list, and made it sound like all of his armor broke, to make it sound like he's getting fucked up as the fight goes on.
>>141521937
I'm not going to parrot all day here, it doesn't matter if it's berserker or 30%. The entry says Arcueid was nerfed to a level where Amaterasu might stand a chance.
30% arc is her nor even trying.
Holy shit I wanna FSF to get animated just to see Gil crying like a baby while getting btfo by Herc.
This shit is gold.
>>141522006
I'm not a CCCfag m8
Nasu was an amateur when he wrote pretty much all his major works, and it shows. His later stuff has gotten a bit better, and CCC just happens to be the peak of the pile of mediocrity that is his prose.
>>141521739
You don't know jack shit about F/HA.
The adult Gil in F/HA is shota Gil who finally decided to age up after enjoying being in his shota form long enough.
Adult Gil in F/HA is not the same Adult Gil from F/SN, you stupid fuck.
Adult Gil in F/HA is an adult Gil that managed to retain his friendly shota personality from his childhood days.
As expected of a dumb Gilfag secondary who has no idea what he is talking about.
>>141521881
This is how the fight went:
>Gilgamesh put on a malicious smile and deployed the Gate of Babylon over a large area around the hill. Deployed over all sides around Archer, the entrance to his vault began to undulate like a tornado. Suddenly, innumerous noble phantasms were blasted out with the momentum of a machine gun, creating a tornado of light and impact high above the hill. Dozens, hundreds, thousands of noble phantasms came raining down onto the man standing in the center of the tornado. At times, they were blades, at times they were knowledge, at times they were pain, at times they were knowledge. There had been a long sword that slayed an oriental dragon. There had been a demonic sword that brought ruin. There had been a spear that killed heroes. There had been lightning without form. The originals of all the noble phantasms humanity had obtained or created were propelled unsparingly. A hellish rain spun by mankind was fired in all directions in 360 degrees. Tine seeing the amazing sight had imagined that not even chunks of flesh would remain of Archer. But once the tornado settled, a spectacle that betrayed Gilgamesh and Tine’s expectations greeted them. In it was Archer, still uninjured, brushing off the dust from the long piece of cloth covering his body, and around him, piles of innumerous noble phantasms.
“It can’t be…” said Tine, her eyes bulging in disbelief, but Gilgamesh ignored her and looked at his foe.
For some time, silence dominated the hill, but that was soon broken by Archer’s chuckling.
”Heh….hehheh…..hgh….ha…hahaha…”
An obviously mocking voice emerged from behind the cloth.
“What is so amusing?” asked Gilgamesh with a blank expression, to which Archer replied back, saying very clearly:
“Weak.”
>>141522054
It's no harder than any of his other post-Stay Night stuff, but you NEED to be at at least a high school reading level for it unless you're willing to constantly reference a dictionary.
>>141522090
So random Servants can take down Berserker Arceuid more easily than a god more powerful than Kiara can?
I don't know where you got the way you read that from, because not only is that not what's in the actual kanji, it doesn't make a lick of sense.
>>141522108
Nope, CCC is Nasu at his laziest.
He even got a chance to plagiarize more from past writers like essentially just editing and modifying certain parts of the Epic of Gilgamesh and then calling it a day.
>>141522110
Not only are you wrong, but you're mad as fuck. No he's not Ko-Gil in personality as older Gil. The entire scene I'm talking about involves him bullying the shit out of Cu, which isn't something Ko-Gil would do. No he isn't just Ko-Gil aged up or whatever.
He's the same Gil from F/SN, but not in a villain spot so we see him just fucking around and being an ass in a more comedic way. As Gil and EMIYA team up to fuck with Cu fishing.
>>141522194
Did you just ignore everything Shota Gil said about his Adult Self in F/HA?
Keep sucking Adult Gil's dick since you are so blinded by your worship at him despite his own young self shitting on him in canon.
>>141522172
>0.005% of the script is a retelling of the epic of gilgamesh
>"wow, plagiarism much?"
You can't be serious, can you?
>>141522164
I am probably not at that level.
I read Tsukihime and its spin-off (Except for melty blood), Fate/SN (now reading HA) in japanese.
But that was thanks to a text hooker.
Thanks for answering anyway.
>>141522132
For clarification, reason TA survived is due to Nemian Lion NP which blocks all piercing or outside attacks or something.
Its not an almighty NP, but very hard to counter if you don't realize the trick behind it. Even Heracles had to choke the lion physically since no weapon could pierce it.
>>141521627
Gil even gave her the youth of elixir so I guess she'll remain loli for a longer time.
>>141522166
Like I already told you, it doesn't matter. Ok it's 30% and not Berserker Arc.
Amaterasu MIGHT have a chance of beating 30% Arc, wow, amazing, great.
>>141521929
http://www.dm5.com/m246392-p112/#ipg1
http://tieba.baidu.com/p/4339242665?pid=83551758864&cid=#83551758864
>>141522243
Considering a delusional CCCfag like yourself kept spamming the same Gil passage from CCC all the time as evidenced by the archive and constantly praising it when nobody asked for an obnoxious dump in greentext.
>>141521929
Check it out on kissmanga
>>141522297
what the fuck does that have to do with you not knowing what plagiarism means?
>>141522255
I think it's been said that the Nemean Lion hide actually prevents all weapons from penetrating it. So it'd be weak to anything that isn't a 'weapon'. That's why Hippolyta was able to punch him so hard and it actually worked.
>>141513625
>CCCfag ruining threads
All that's left is Lancelot.
>>141522285
>>141522166
Do either of you fuckers have a source that someone might be actually able to clarify with?
>>141522255
Nemian Lion makes him basically immune to any weapon.
>>141521881
Gil and his chocolaty master are chilling in an Indian casino. Towel surprises them by blasting out the wall with arrow spam from a couple of miles away. He even managed to pierce a force field Gil had put up in case Enkidu would try something.
Gil was kinda pissed off and boarded the Vimana with the loli to meet Towel in a cliff. Towel kept ineffectively spamming arrows at them as they made their way to him. Gil arrives and tries to get Towel to talk, but gets ignored while Towel keeps shooting at the loli even as she hides on the Vimana and is protected by the ship's force field.
Gil gets even more pissed off and fires some crap from GoB. Towel is completely unharmed. Gil starts shouting some stuff that doesn't even make sense and is even called childish by the narration, and fires fuckloads of stuff at Towel from every angle. Towel is unharmed and pretty much calls Gil a shit who couldn't match up without Ea. Gil draws Merodach and then gets interrupted by Hippolyta, who punches Towel into a mountain. She tells Gil to back the fuck off and then ignored him. Gil is pretty much fuming at this point. And then there's a giant fiery explosion where Towel landed.
>>141522255
Wouldnt that mean Ea can harm him ? Cause it isnt classified as a weapon
>>141522434
Which is dumb as fuck honestly.
Even if nothing can pierce it, a hit with an object will still impart it's kinetic force on him.
>>141522364
> So it'd be weak to anything that isn't a 'weapon'
He didn´t use it aginst gilgamesh.That what is on his face is his deathshirt.
