I hear allot of people on /a/ claim that manga is better than anime. I can understand preferring the manga if it is a horrible paced adaptation or the manga is years ahead of the anime but in general I have to disagree.
Manga is like a static car frame while anime is the dynamic motion of it racing down the track.
The reality is most mangaka start writing and drawing manga with the intention, hope, and dream hat one day it will be animated so that the world and characters they created can have the life breathed into them and be shown for what they really are.
Manga gives you more bang for your buck. One high quality frame substitutes hundreds of low to medium frames in an anime.
>Good animation
shitty terrible writing
>Good writing
the oneshot never goes anywhere
>Good writing and decent animation
nobody watches it
>Pandering trash for normalfags
AAA series that goes on for ten seasons
>>141340259
>Manga is like a static car frame while anime is the dynamic motion of it racing down the track.
maybe if you have a mangaka who can't panel and draw worth shit.
>>141340259
>people who have never read a book in their lives
>>141340259
I highly recommend you read this book, OP. Comics/manga are a unique medium with immense potential in storytelling. No one medium is inherently lesser/greater than another.
>>141340259
ITT: OP doesn't get why still photography is still a thing despite everyone having video cameras on their phones
And any mangaka starting in a magazine that isn't WSJ and intending for their manga to be animated is being an idiot, since a tiny percentage of them do get adaptations.
Horrifying bait.
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>>141340412
Well, it's not like I expected manga-reading losers to construct a single co-herent argument, but this is just sad.
What drives you to be such a hipster you can't stand colors and sound? Who beat you so hard that you decided to turn towards the medium that's objectively worse and less respected?
>>141340441
>Who beat you so hard that you decided to turn towards the medium that's less respected?
>saying this on a fucking anime imageboard
>>141340479
See? Vastly improved.
>>141340441
You'd know if you had ever fucking read manga that it's a medium with massive potential for expression. Your car analogy is absurd. Anime is like being forced to watch a car go slowly down a road. Manga is like being shown the most important parts of the ride.
Both suck
If they had serious stories to tell they would just write a book
Instead they want to hook idiots with a premise and keep them around for as long as possible, fuck storytelling.
>>141340708
true
>>141340259
Some stories are more powerful in paper form
eg. Baki series, Kurosawa, Takemitsu, etc.
While others excel in its animated form.
eg. Super robot shows, CGDCT, haremshit, etc.
Both mediums complement each other well, don't try too hard to fit in
>>141340389
This.
God that book is so good
Manga doesn't need animation to be alive.
>>141344561
fuck of with your boku no capeshit
>>141340389
Non interactive media will always be worse than interactive ones
>>141344721
>interactive
Like video games? Because film/animation isn't any more "interactive" than a comic book. If anything, comics require the reader to take more of an active role since you are interpreting the action and between the panels and whatnot. Animation is a more "passive" experience.
>>141340259
I used to prefer manga as a teen because it felt like I was using my time more efficiently. I could read through someone's entire life in half an hour, whereas an anime takes 20 minutes for like 3 chapters.
In the end, though, I realized that I was reading so many manga that none of them stood out and ended up memorable. Now I only read manga when they're finished and have been expressly recommended to me, rather than reading just anything with tags that appeal to me.
Anime is way better for me, but I think good works can be created in both and they're just different mediums and comparing them as a whole is somewhat pointless.
This topic seems dumb but I actually strongly believe that it has a lot to do with "direction" in manga, or call it panelling if you want (but it goes beyond simply panelling). Many times I've done the back and forth between manga and anime, sometimes beginning with the manga and vice versa
On the top of my head the manga that are actually great to read are very scarce and anime are more natural to watch even if they often have poor direction and pacing.
Most of the time, even though the art and the story are great it is a pain to read.
For example I think that the Death Note manga is way above its anime adaptation yet I can completely understand that it is easier for someone to get in through the anime due to the music, the colors, etc. You are immersed more easily.
So anyway let's end my blog here, just wanna mention a few manga that I love from a "direction" point of view (and wouldn't be better off animated) panelling, lisibility of the action, etc. I love clear panelling:
Gon by Masashi Tanaka - maybe one of the best manga ever made, will never understand why the artist didn't do more? Maybe Gon was enough for him to be rich as fuck?
Ozamu Tezuka, in particular Buddha and Phenix
Jiro Taniguchi, in particular Haruka na Machi e
Shamo, ignoring all the post hiatus volumes
Hellsing, even though the adaptations were good
Dragon Ball & Z, yes the story is a blast to read, very clear
Eternal Sabbath by Souryou Fuyumi
Bokkou by Hideki Mori
>>141340389
While I agree with OP and think that anime are better than manga.
Manga is it's own unique thing and should be appreciated nonetheless.
>>141340389
I just finished this, absolutely loved it, and I think I want to start reading it again.
What other books are out there like this?
Anime has a problem with shading and styles.
It will never really get to the level where they can 1:1 it because they're different mediums. It's the little things that they miss out on because they don't have an unlimited budget.
>>141344721
>Non interactive media will always be worse than interactive ones
And yet videogames are trying to be more like films.
>>141348974
Only because people who make vidya are stupid and unimaginative.
>>141349083
Only because people who play vidya are stupid and afraid of responsability. You would think by limiting choices and interactivity the storytelling would improve. Face it, vidya is too mainstream now, it's going to remain shit.
Speaking of videogames, why were there never more anime to advertise various franchises, like tehy use ti advertise manga and LN's? Fatal Frame even has cute girls as potaganists.
Visual novels are the best. The detail of books, with the interactive elemtns of games. Shame it's a medium mostly used for poorly written porn.
>>141349195
Normal TV ads work fine, there isn't much benefit to making a 6 hour anime ad compared to the cost of it.
friendly reminder to sage when replying to garbage threads
>>141340259
Anime is the superior compound medium, combining picture with sound as well as creating the illusion of movement, however it's very complexity often causes it to suffer from budgetary constraints that limit the true potential of the medium. Manga also suffers from the same issue to a lesser extent with weekly releases having much worse art compared to monthly releases due to the mangaka not having enough time, but is also a much more mature medium with decades of experience and countless classic completed manga from which mangakas draw inspiration.
Manga are also usually the work of just one main guy which makes it easier for them to translate their "vision" into reality because everything is under the mangakas direct control. Animation teams are bigger which is why even though each individual aspect of the anime can be well done, the "complete work of art" can be lacking.
There are also things that are just different. You can't use sound to indicate something happening offscreen in manga, and you can't use paneling and two page spreads for dramatic effect in anime.
Chiho Saitou's Waltz wa Shiori Dress de.
>>141349083
Not at all, only a minority do this, youd know this if you actually liked games instead of browsing /v/
>>141349195
Anime is pretty shitty while still being quite niche in comparison
Mainstream has nothing to do with anything contrary to many nerds´ beliefs.
And VNs are videogames
>>141352899
>implying I go to /v/
Don't post to this board ever again.
>>141353102
Fuck you
>>141340259
Im not so sure about that.
>>141340259
Tell me how many good anime we have this year. Maybe two or three? Now how many good manga we have this year. At least ten for granted.
I prefer anime because it doesnt drag as much, they actually end, even if they are adaptations they usually have their own ending and you can pretend they end there.
Manga goes on forever and always gets slowly worse as it goes
Manga has an edge when it comes to sheer detail. Stuff like Steel Ball Run and Otoyomegatari could never be adapted to anime with the same amazing level of detail.
>>141349195
>Shame it's a medium mostly used for poorly written porn.
You mean its great that its used for porn, the inclusion of sex in the stories make them better and they can tackle issues manga/anime cant because muh purity shit. And you can fap to them right there no need to go look for doujins.
>>141354137
That and the sense of satisfaction and gratification is amazing. It's not the kind of quick setup where the characters fuck after a few minutes of screentime like in all other porn; you get to meet a cute, go through adventures together, fall in love and go on dates together, and the sex scenes come as a natural development to all that.
I remember a similar thread on /a/ from years back. We went back and forth by comparing adaptations to their sources because that was to most direct comparison we could make. While we were arguing about the 2 mediums, we came to the conclusion that the medium itself doesn't matter, but in most cases source materials are usually superior to their adaptations. This mostly due to problems encountered when translating from either medium.
When going from manga to anime, pacing is a big problem. A Manga's legnth is determined by however long it takes the writer to get their point across, while anime has to fit a 20~ minute time frame. That means parts wither have to be cut from the manga, resulting in less content, or new material has to be created. This brings me to my next point. The people that create content for the anime are not usually the mangaka that made the manga, which results in that content being poor compared to the other content or making scenes more stretched-out which makes them loose their impact. Their is also concern animation. Good animation can improve a scene, especially if it has a lot of action, but bad animation can also ruin it. Since these adaptations have a preexisting fanbase, production companies know they can cut a few corners with out effecting viewership.
>>141354137
I think he talk about VN nukige shit or games where is romance > plot/story. Too bad most story based VNs are still untranslated.
>>141354540
When going from anime to manga, pacing is not as big of a deal, but the other problems show up in someway or another. You usually go from a team of writers to just one, so the content that is created for the adaptation is usually not up to snuff. The people they had the adaptions to are usually not the best mangaka, so things like paneling, drawn actions and art are not as good as they could be. When an original animation is created, there is usually more faith that the project will be a success, so higher ups a willing to spring from a bigger budget. Manga to anime adaptations have the advantage of knowing what the public perception of a story is before they decide to animate and they have an existing fanbase before they even start production. When a story is greenlit as an anime before being put in print, it's kind of a big deal and get better backing as a result.
tl;dr:
Source material is usually greater than the adaptation. Since anime is usually adapted from manga, because manga are easier to produce and gauge popularity, manga are usually perceived to be better than anime
>>141354574
Yeah anime will be better if it had more originals.
Or if adaptations took more liberties.
>>141354574
Kamichu had a good manga adaptation thanks to Naruko Hanaharu.
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>>141354574
One would think this is fucking obvious.
>>141340259
In Manga/Comic you can do alot of stylish things, you could do it in Anime/Cartoon as well but there are only a few directors that understand that you can so so much more with cuts and framing. I can't imagine Berserks designs being animated as well as One Punchmans hard design shifts happen in animation.
>>141347048
What about old-school?
Anime about music
manga with shit art like mob psycho 100
>>141356200
I'm a fan of Mob Psycho and I can agree with this. I could only imagine BONES improving it and nothing else.
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>>141344721
>all these people who like and want shitty to subpar adaptions of decent manga series
>>141356200
The art style has a certain appeal for me, I'm really glad the BONES adaptation will keep it.
>>141356655
by improving it.
>>141356727
They won't change how the school looks, right?
In the manga, when viewed from the outside it's just an outline of it.
Through I wouldn't mind a well-drawn, detailed school when I think about it..
>>141356900
the background will be well-drawn, detailled and stylish since they decided to keep the design for the character design of ONE: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_E0wbdZZKRc
>>141340441
Anime has a lot more things to be appreciated, like color and sound. That means it also has a lot more that can be fucked up and ruin your enjoyment of an otherwise good story. It's very rare to find an anime that is a very good all around production, but there are plenty of manga that are close to perfect.
>>141340708
Indeed. Such a great animation.
It magnified you being a giant fucking faggot by a multitude.
You only have to watch this seasons jojo adaptation to get a good showcase why manga is superior.
Uninteresting scenes,like the ones where characters insult each other in typical shounen style,last way too long compared to the mere seconds it takes to glance over them.
>>141359283
You mean to get a good showcase as to why Jojo's manga is better than its anime adaptation.
I can't believe this thread is even real. I can't believe people are taking something this stupid seriously. They are different fucking media and their strengths and weaknesses are almost unrelated.
>>141359510
Nope, they are very much related and similar and they can be compared easily.
>>141359555
You and this entire thread are as stupid as can be. You don't even deserve anything but childish insults.
>>141359660
Tip harder.
>>141355901
Most oldschool anime has no detail either, but that doesn't really matter because oldschool manga didn't tend to have as much detail either.
LN<manga<anime<VN
I've found very few anime able to convey emotion as powerfully as manga can.
>>141354137
>the inclusion of sex in the stories make them better
They ruined Forest.
>>141362664
Ill ruin you
>>141340441
Manga is much more popular in japan than anime. Everyone in japan usually reads some kind of manga at least weekly. The only people who watch anime are otakus and children.
As long as you dont read LNs you are ok
>>141354137
I don't think you have read more than fifty manga if you seriously think "muh purity shit" is a factor that limits the issues it can tackle.
>>141360491
Agreed. Animation dilutes impact because you see things happening more gradually and scenes are usually a uniform size/shape with consistent detail, whereas in a manga there can be a stronger divide between moments and panels can be bigger, more detailed etc for more emphasis. There's no anime equivalent of a double spread, for example.
>>141340259
I often like the manga over the anime because I vastly prefer the source material over adaptations, and most adaptations are from manga to anime. It has nothing to preferring one medium over another.
Generally speaking anime can offer great things like sound and color.
On the flip side, manga can fit more detail in a single image, and they way they're written often means you have more coherence of story and art.
And there are anime that go in for massively details backgrounds, and manga that have fantastic ways of conveying sound or motion. Neither medium is inherently worse.
Karekano anime >>> Karekano manga
But in general the source material is better.
>>141365186
>There's no anime equivalent of a double spread
A slow panning over a large panoramic image
>>141366804
Double spreads are nice because the instant transition and holistic view maximises impact, which is the opposite of a slow pan. Panning has it's own uses but it doesn't have the same effect.
>>141366804
I agree that's a reasonable equivalent to a beautiful background type double spread, where you want to inspect every detail and enjoy it as your eye follows the art, but not to the dramatic action double spread. A pan lacks the "you see it all at once" aspect.
>>141365186
>scenes are usually a uniform size/shape
Anime can achieve a similar effect as manga if it restricts itself by blacking out parts of the screen, but it's fairly rare and a sort of obvious technique that would be annoying to see for a whole episode. And while manga does it by using every square inch of space, anime can only do it by restricting it's space usage.
Anime can alternatively get close to "panels" by using a split screen, but again it can't be used constantly and only allows a couple of splits before the viewer can't keep up.
If only Japan was still in their economic bubble we would be seeing VR anime already
>>141340315
the first post got it in one.
only pretty high-end anime adaptations end up with a product which is visually more rewarding than a manga.
It's more enjoyable to get a few great panels than 15 seconds worth of animation all done in 4s with shoddy , rushed off model keys and in-betweens.
plus there are simply hundreds of great manga that will never be made into anime, meaning that if you just regard anime and manga as works of fiction, then within manga you will have many many more great works of fiction than within anime because the production costs of anime are far greater and the market is smaller.
