Why is Incest so hard to get right? We all know Oreimo failed, but it's hardly the first example.
>>141307547
Cause it's inherently wrong, you goddamn redneck.
>>141307547
Give more examples.
Yosuga no Sora.
>>141307619
>inherently
elaborate
>Oreimo is incest done wrong
>Oreimo failed
Nope, it's great.
>>141307619
What anime do you like gaylord?
>>141307619
>it's inherently wrong
Not more wrong than homo
>>141307547
SS sisters, sempai.
I thought Koi Kaze and Ore no Imouto were both pretty good. Oreimo had a much more interesting cast of characters, but Koi Kaze really hit the emotional bits pretty well. I like Koi Kaze's manga art better than OreImo's anime but it feels unfair to compare them that way.
Questions for OP, or anyone:
Why did OreImo fail? Why did you like Koi Kaze?
>>141307547
I'm sure you're an expert on what manner of incestuous interaction is correct and which isn't.
>>141307830
KissxSis
Himouto
Onii-chan no koto nanka zenzen suki janai
Onii-chan dakedo ai sae areba kankei nai
Joukamachi no Dandelion
>>141307547
first one is drama second one is shit
>>141307619
Yeah. This.
>>141307886
>homo
Defective genes don't make it back into the pool.
>incest
Defective genes make it back into the pool with a chance of bonus defects
Literally worse than faggotry.
>>141308240
>Onii-chan no koto nanka zenzen suki janai
the artstyle was too boku no pico for me
but I do agree on the other ones, there's also another one, I don't remember the name of, I don't think I saved it after watching either, but where some rich guy has to choose a wife before he graduates highschool or something, and a bunch of girls want to marry him because he's super rich, but it turns out that his secret stepsister is also attending that school and he doesn't know who it is and has to pick someone to marry without picking her because then he won't get the inheritance and the family will be ruined or something
that one was pretty funny
>>141307830
True love.
>>141308482
Read the manga then. The art is better.
Nakaimo?
>>141307867
we have a sense of what's fucked up and what's not and incest falls in the fucked up category and your or any other neckbeards opinion doesn't matter as they are too in that fucked category you fucking mouthbreather piece of shit
>>141308753
There is no logical reason why incest is bad.
All you have is emotions and bluster.
>>141307547
>incest done right
>siblings who never saw each other, thus there's very little taboo holding them back, since for them it doesn't feel as wrong as if they had been raised together
>incest done wrong
>siblings who grew up together and were raised as siblings who fall in love for each other
In reality Koi Kaze is barely incest.
Are there any decent incest manga/anime where the sister is older?
>>141308787
>There is no logical reason why incest is bad.
As long as they don't get children I guess.
But even then it is weird and disgusting.
>>141308787
doesn't matter
>>141307886
found the bigot
Nanoka doesn't get enough attention, despite being a complete QT
>>141308813
It's right because it logically possible. Do you even Westermarck effect?
Like SAO but not at all and better.
>>141307978
Oreimo only failed because it failed to even begin to squeeze 12 volumes into 24 episodes, minus the OVA's. Characters were reduced to "literally who" status due to almost never appearing, and certain important character (Sakurai) didn't exist at all. Kirino's tsun was jacked up too far, as well
The Koi Kaze anime was pretty good, the artstyle felt a little weird at times, but the voice acting was great, and the music, as is usually the case in incest adaptation, was nothing short of godly. The only thing I didn't like was the hamfisted attempt at implying difficulty for Nanoka and Koushiro
>>141308928
Not worth shit.
>>141309060
Do you even have a sister?
>>141308459
>Defective genes
You can't say which genes is good and which is bad, because there is no end goal
Also incest is common practice for animal breeding
>>141309231
is that what your mom told you when you asked why others are better than you?
>>141309274
What did tyrone tell you?
>>141309325
I don't know who tyrone is, probably your dad or something if you are asking after him
>>141309221
No but the Westermarck effect has no scientific backing, it's just something that may or may not occur. Hence the "effect".
>>141308240
Himouto is not an incest manga retard
>>141309377
Tyrone is your mom's boyfriend.
>>141308908
Too old
>>141308240
Could you kill yourself along with your nbr shit?
>>141308240
>HImouto
What the fuck are you smoking
Incest done right
>>141308928
>Westermarck effect
Every living being in animal world takes a big crap about that pseudo-science shit.
>>141308813
>it's right because they don't feel wrong about it
>>141308819
>But even then it is weird and disgusting.
emotions and bluster
>>141308813
But Koi Kaze had inscreen sex scene between siblings, Oreimo only had offscreen.
>>141308459
While defective homo genes don't directly make it into the pool, the faggotry spreads because of acceptance and gaylords raising kids.
>>141309487
nice one
>>141308459
>Defective genes make it back into the pool with a chance of bonus defects
As with any sexual reproduction.
>>141308459
>Defective genes make it back into the pool with a chance of bonus defects
So having sex with a woman over the age of 45 is wrong too. Having sex with a smoker is wrong too.
>>141308177
I would say those that are more busy giving fanservice to the viewers than telling a story. For example SAO, it's only about the fanservice, in Koi Kaze the fanservice is minimal (MC smelling imouto's bra) because it is busy telling a story. Fanservice isn't bad as long as it isn't the main focus.
>Incest
I'm in
>>141309832
Are you part of the group who decides what counts as pornography and what counts as art?
Ruri was robbed
Fuck Oreimo
>>141308240
>Joukamachi no Dandelion
Wait, Dandelion had incest?!?
>>141309937
No, I use common sense.
>>141309953
Idiot.
>>141308459
>caring about genetics when all sorts of defective people breed
Call me when we start up eugenics.
>>141309983
Doujinshi > in anime nicest
>>141308819
I'm not even in the pro incest camp but why?
The only reason its weird and disgusting is because you've been taught that it is.
That aside, inbreeding is counter-intuitive to evolution so its likely that animals and humans would naturally avoid it. However, if your blood is the only blood in town, you haven't got much choice.
It seems to me like one of those things that a bunch of societal leaders decided would be best to taught to advance the growth of human society. It certainly isn't naturally gross or weird though.
>>141309953
>Crushingly dumped her boyfriend all for the sake of melodrama, driving him straight to Kirino
Yeah, no
>>141308240
NBR, fuck off.
>>141309832
Koi Kaze is animated drama. Oreimo is typical otaku pandering anime.
>>141309983
Every night, like animals.
>>141310097
Go make another thread if you actually care.
>>141309231
The only goal of all life is to reproduce successfully. Incest has a higher chance of that failing.
>>141310305
Not him but you fuck off, NBR doesn't belong here and it never did, you are the only trying to force it in here.
>>141310325
Only if you have defective genes.
>>141310366
Does this trigger you?
incest can't be right desu
>>141307619
first post, truest post
>>141310429
This is an incest thread, you might have some ground in an Imouto thread but not here.
>>141310612
>This
>Not the purest love imaginable
Fuck right off, tripfag
>>141310429
Actually Kana imouto is kinda ok because it's only said at the very end to obviously avoid censorship or possible publishing problems. Shit like KissxSis or other harem series with a token "imouto" can fuck right off.
>>141310612
Weren't you that faggot whining in a loli thread about how you want to kill all the lolicons? Go kill yourself.
>>141310731
Plus, they only say it once in the climax, and never bring it up again, so you can pretty safely ignore it if you don't like it
Shoujo get incest right because they know how to play on the taboo and the oh-so-wrong charm.
90% of incest in shounen/harem ln/vn has no substance behind being a character description.
>>141310756
He is also posting sadfrog and other shit memes from other boards. Nobody should ever reply to him.
>>141310366
Let's have a vote.
http://www.strawpoll.me/10169180
The only people that care about NBR are the ones that don't have sisters.
>>141310766
Yeah, it's like YnS having a "bad ending" in the anime and Oreimo having the siblings "break up", it's just to bypass those retarded jap laws regarding public decency or whatever it was.
>>141310866
Fuck off shitposter.
>>141310575
Sauce?
>>141310899
You have to be older than 18 to post here.
>>141310866
Fuck off, you faggot. NBR isn't Incest and it is shit.
>>141310899
The "bad ending" is debatable, because the twins go off together, happily. They just leave behind a tangle of confused and hurt feelings, mostly in the butthurt Kozue, who was far more upset than Haru's actual girlfriend
>>141307978
>>141308014
>>141308098
Been a while since I've seen these stickers. Isn't there also an orange one, that also says something like "I want to be your only girl"?
>>141310916
Daily Lives of High School Boys
This scene also shows in the anime
>>141310958
Would you stop loving your sister if you weren't blood related? How can you call that love.
>>141310899
I wonder how things would have gone if Fushimi had gotten his way with the Oreimo anime finale, with the simple change of Kyou kissing Rino on the lips, and not the cheek. I know it was a product of executive meddling, but would it have made that much of a difference? We've already seen them kissing before, and it's pretty evident, even in the anime, that they still love each other
>>141307547
Is Copyrighted Material a good anime?
>>141311038
Probably not too differently, people would still complain about the pairing being forced, about their favorite girl losing and about the ending being too inconclusive and abrupt. We'd just have a bit less shitposting in Oreimo threads.
>>141309606
>each successive generation has more physical disfigurements than the next
Hell yes done right
>>141310983
>>141311065
>/A/
>:/
Fuck off, you retarded tripfag.
>>141310958
Dude shut the fuck up for once. Judging by your typing style I'm sure you're the same guy from the imouto threads. We get you don't like NBR, but time should have taught you there are some people who do or just don't care about it. Contain your autism, no one is forcing you to like or watch NBR stuff.
>>141310575
>>141308459
Won't be a problem as long as they don't successfully fertilize he female.
>>141311289
Until Kanafriend comes along to trigger him, he's usually pretty quiet about it. It's almost funny watching it go back and forth
>>141311012
Would you stop pushing NBR? You've been pointed out numerous times why it is shit but if you're goal is to be a shitposter then you're succeeding.
>>141310575
I can't tell if she is happy or not. I doubt she is going to end up with glasses though from what I've seen of the series.
>>141311327
I'll never stop.
>>141311377
Yet another cancerous wart infests /a/.
>>141307867
Liberals are shit.
>>141311419
And you aren't? You are getting so worked up over it that you're arguing with someone you don't even know about the merits of whether or not someone sister is related to them or not. Maybe you're the autist here
>>141310061
It's not perceived as disgusting only because we're taught it's wrong, it's also a result of natural instincts. That doesn't make it wrong though, and contraceptive methods make the evolutionary argument null.
Saying it's "wrong" as a result of one's personal emotions is irrational and childish.
>>141310969
Nevermind, found it.
>>141311547
That's really god damn cute
Is the oreimo LN anymore conclusive than the anime? I know that it's supposed to be better all around in terms of expressing what's going on. I know they said they had to cop-out there in the anime, and I guess kind of in how the series concluded in the LN due to that shitty law, and that the author said it was a complete Kirino victory, but I was wondering if it actually has more details on what happens at the end. As in, does it contain more implied fucking, relationship stuff, etc.
>>141311547
Ah nice. I was just about to say, yeah there is but I don't have it. Thank you anon.
>>141311588
Got this and the kiss at the end was on the lips.
>>141311588
In terms of implied fucking, it pretty much comes out and says it.
>So --- I and Kirino
>From brothe and sister, we became lovers
>The next day, 5:00 in the morning
>The chirping sounds of the birds --- that's impossible in this cold weather, but the lazy atmosphere of the morning filled the room. I casually laid my body on the chairs. On the other side, my little sister was sitting on the bed, wearing a bathrobe
>We --- didn't look at each other
>.............
>.............
>A strange silence lingered between us
>.....No, no, no. It's not like ---- we brother and sister did something strange!?
>I'm telling the truth! Really! Although we said that we would take some references from this eroge, but when it showed an H-scene the atmosphere between us became very embarrasing!
>Afterward, both of us had a feeling "Do, do you want to?
>Say...! As a narrator, I don't have to tell you everything!
>>141311588
With the After Story yes, it is more conclusive.
>>141311588
The ending itself is quite similar, what makes the LNs a lot more conclusive is all the context and narration the anime left out, even going back all the way to early S1. For example themes like "it's fine because we're siblings" and the meaning of "life counseling" are far more prevalent and recognizable in the novels. Also there's the After Story which is rather unnecessary but makes it clear once again they are still together.
>>141311612
>>141311703
>>141307619
Which is exactly why Koi Kaze is incest done right.
But you wouldn't know that because you're a pleb who started watching anime sometime post 2010.
>>141311588
Plus the afterstory tells us, in no uncertain terms, that Kyou and Kirino are fucking, because Kirino is bragging about it to Ruri
>(Ruri)......I'm completely convinced by what you said just now. Why, if you lost that beautiful face of yours, the only thing remaining would be that bitch heart of yours, after all”
>(Rino)What part of me are you calling a bitch!? Just what are you saying to this super pure otome Kiririn standing in front of you!”
>(Ruri)...... pure?”
Kuroneko tilts her neck in doubt. And then, mutters with a scary low voice.
>(Ruri)All the women who dare to brag about their love life before me are bitches, all right?”
>(Rino)Wait! I haven't be, be, be, be, been bragging at all, you hear!”
>(Ruri)Yes, you have. Why, specifically speaking, that Sunday last week----”
>(Rino)Da~~! Sto~~~~p! You can't talk about that! You definitely ca~~n't!”
>>141311820
>he actually believes that
>he doesn't think Kirino NTR'd Kyousuke with Chad and that's what she's bragging about
>>141311786
Does Koi Kaze teach that it's wrong? I don't really remember that. The anime made it seem like it worked out pretty well for both of them at first. The problem was more so that other people had a problem with it which made their life harder, not that the thing itself was inherently wrong or hurt them somehow. They helped each other out a lot actually.
>>141311964
>Implying Kyou would stand there and listen to it if that happened
>>141311612
>>141311703
>>141311820
Damn, that's much more than I would have hoped for. Good stuff.
>>141311740
>>141311768
Yeah, that's what I heard, there's a lot more characterization. Looks like I'll have to go and read it then. Is there an official release? Quick glance at amazon didn't seem to show one.
>>141310964
Nao was just a straight up freak and chill. She would have threesomed if Sora was up for it.
>>141312099
This can pretty much sum up Nao's reaction in the anime
>What's that noise?
>Oh, damnit, he finally realized he loves her
>Oh well, I hope they're happy
>Wait, is Kozue going to fucking hyperventilate?
Now I want a doujin with Nao, Haru and Sora, with Sora trying her best to one up Nao
>>141312008
He's just shitposting in a very pathetic way. Also I'm glad to see my fellow Oreimofans are still alive and kicking.
>>141312033
NanoDesu for the first 6 and a half volumes and BT for the rest. Though Nanodesu has shut down their blog due to a takedown notice and I don't know if someone here uploaded the pdfs/epubs to mediafire.
>incest thread A.K.A. Oreimo and YnS general
Everytime
>>141312201
That gif is so heartwarming.
>all the butthurt in this thread because OP correctly labeled Oreimo garbage
As expected, fans of that series are complete idiots.
>>141312311
Oreimo has it's moments
>>141309983
Yeah it does.
>>141312201
Okay, thanks, I'll look around for them then.
Can anyone even come close to him?
>>141312540
Truly an inspiration for all.
>>141312540
You really have to throw away morality to have as many kids as Tomaru.
>>141312363
Every time I see this I think RNC.
>>141311038
i don't remember watching this scene in s1 or s2. Is this an OVA ep or something?
>>141312832
If haven't seen the ovas after s2 you should right now.
>>141312832
It's the final scene of the last S2 OVA. They're chock full of cute little moments
I just want an onee-san to suffocate me in her breasts while hugging me. How can I get one?
>>141312904
Oh dang well i should probably watch it then. But i feel like its been too long now, like im too late for the party to fully savor it
>>141313820
You're never too late. Just go and enjoy it
Does anyone know where I can find the raws of the non-H Ane Naru Mono series? I saw them in a thread a few months ago but I can't find it on the archive.
Also will anyone ever translate it?
>>141311995
The story made it so nothing about the relationship seemed healthy. However everything about it seemed beautiful.
>>141313862
Me thinking about my imouto
>>141313862
>tfw constant public erections because the image of your naked imouto waiting for the dick is burned into your mind
>>141315082
Why do animals not give a fuck about the said biological something that's supposed to make them not want to fuck their siblings?
>>141315422
Because they're fucking stupid and have no sense of morality or consciousness or societal mores?
>>141315422
Some animals actually prefer other partners than their relatives.
>>141307547
>Why is Incest so hard to get right?
Forbidden love is only interesting if it's dramatic, but it's easy to cop out and simply write characters that are casually in love with each other.
>>141315536
>no sense of morality or consciousness or societal mores
>stupid
Kek.
>>141315536
But faggotry and pre martial sex are ok?
>>141312540
He's a full-blown rapist, and that's basically cheating.
>>141315707
???
When did I say anything about those? The question was "why don't animals care about incest" and the answer is because they have no understanding of the concept, and thus have no opinion about it.
>>141315876
But I asked about the supposed biological whatsitsname that should make them avoid it
Since you argued outside of biology I assumed you changed the approach
>>141315422
They only breed close relatives in captivity.
>>141316012
You're talking about Westermarck which is not biological, so you're just making yourself look stupid.
The idea behind Westermarck is that growing up with someone makes it more difficult to see them in a sexual light (basically). That obviously doesn't apply if you're an animal with no real level of conscious thought.
>>141316257
No, i've seen people saying there's a biological factor to it
I asked because we already know the westermarck effect is bullshit
>>141316257
>>141316443
erm...... are u guys arguing with bioscience or humanity/social science?
>>141316126
Is there a good article about it? I'm surprised no one ever posted one
>>141310325
>random internet faggot on /a/ has discovered the true meaning of life
Somebody should call the newspapers.
>>141316494
I started asking over bioscience, there's no much point otherwise
>>141316576
the true meaning of life is to find excuse to live on
>>141316623
Alcohol, pills, and cigarettes?
>>141316670
yeah, the excuse to escape and muffler the excruciating pain of living
everytime you went to sleep, our heart, our brain, our body and soul literally scream for life-ending and transcendence, that's why we dream
http://www.medicaldaily.com/kissing-cousins-everything-you-didnt-want-know-about-incest-and-why-inbreeding-isnt-321650
MODS sticky this
Stop posting pseudoscience garbage like you know what you're talking about.
>>141316257
He's talking about a real, well documented genetic aversion in animals to avoid inbreeding.
>>141316505
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inbreeding_avoidance
>>141317074
>In some circumstances, incest is a necessity and multiple studies have shown that offspring of distant relatives are actually healthier than the general population.
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/ReproductiveHealth/story?id=4258128&page=1#.TtZburIr2sp
>>141316822
>the excruciating pain of living
Come. You live in a first world country. Stop being a pansy.
>>141317195
>distant relatives
it is not considered incest though
>>141317295
the very pain of living is to find excuse to keep on living and finding the self-destructive method to keep away from the mental disabling thinking on death
>>141317074
I want to thank you but come on man, that link just explains why it's biologically bad. It even says the mechanismm is just an hypothesis
>it's the year Heisei 28
>people are still talking about abstract morality
If two people consensually have sex there is literally no one being harmed. It's easy to prevent impregnation with contraception nowadays, so the genetic argument doesn't really stand, and one day through screening techniques and genic therapy maybe we'll be able to fully prevent and fix potential defects.
Two sibling fucking might disgust you and might disgust me, but one's personal feelings don't prove anything nor give anyone the right to deny someone the freedom they have as human beings.
>>141317315
>Responding only to the post
>Not bothering to read the article to put the post in context
>According to Stefansson, the reason that related couples were more biologically successful may be because these couples have "just right" genes when combined — not too similar, but not too dissimilar, either.
Why do you hate love Anon?
>>141317718
>Two sibling fucking might disgust you and might disgust me
Or it might be incredibly arousing
Incest doesn't imply inbreeding.
/thread
>>141317718
>If two people consensually have sex there is literally no one being harmed.
One of them has an STD.
One of them can get pregnant and the child will be retarded.
One of them will have their anus ripped open.
There are loads of things that can go wrong in various forms of consensual sex.
>"The take-home message is that ... we, as a society of [the] 21st century, have basically ruled against the marriages of closely related couples, because we do not look at it as desirable that closely related people have children," Stefansson said. "But in spite of the fact that bringing together two alleles of a recessive trait may be bad, there is clearly some biological wisdom in the union of relatively closely related people."
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/ReproductiveHealth/story?id=4258128&page=1
>>141308813
Kirino and Kyousuke spent years ignoring each other before the start of the series
pretty much all of Kirino's friends weren't even aware of Kyousuke's existence
the series is actively about Kyousuke learning about her even
It's the same shit in principle
>>141317718
It should still be illegal
Not for biological or moral reasons, but to avoid domestic abuse
Parents are able raise their children however they want after all
can some /sci/ pull some journals?
>>141317901
Yes of course, but it's assumed both parties are willing to trust one another or take their chances.
>>141317920
> Stefansson added that, as globalization continues to offer people great diversity in the selection of distantly related partners, perhaps the number of children born in the world will decrease: "Globalization will probably result in marriages of more people of different ethnic groups, but according to these observations, that will decrease the number of children born in this world," Stefansson said.
>>141317849
>Incest doesn't imply inbreeding.
Incest without inbreeding isn't even interesting. I mean that's the whole controversy in the first place.
>>141317943
>abuse
>consensual
>>141317901
>One of them can get pregnant and the child will be retarded.
My God when will this fucking meme die?
Genetic problems happen after GENERATIONS of inbreeding.
One generation do not have any problems.
>>141307547
>Why is Incest so hard to get right?
Because it's wrong.
>>141308459
>Defective genes make it back into the pool with a chance of bonus defects
Incest only produces mutations over multiple generations.
Royalty did it for fucking ages.
Fuck your sister if you want, the odds of your next several generations of family doing the same is slim.
>>141310866
>strawpoll
>/a/
Fuck off
Inseki is superior to Incest. NBR is much better. It's legal and acceptable, it also doesn't fuck your kids up. The emotional/psychological aspect is still the same.
>>141317995
>but officer, it was consensual, RIGHT HONEY?
>>141318032
>Incest only produces mutations over multiple generations.
>Royalty did it for fucking ages.
Inbreeding is what killed royalty - it takes only a handful of generations at most to pretty much guarantee that the child will be dysfunctional.
>>141318032
>Egypt
>>141307867
Sicko
>>141318079
How does incest being illegal prevent that exactly?
May as well ban sex altogether since what you wrote fits rape scenarios as well.
>Robin Bennett, who headed the study, told ABC News that the risks of having a child with a cousin were about "2 [percent] to 3 percent" above the average population's risk for having a child with birth defects or mental retardation. She says while there are risks, they're "not as bad" as people perceive.
>Other risk factors are higher. For example, there's a 10 percent chance that a 41-year-old woman will give birth to kids with chromosomal defects.
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/ReproductiveHealth/story?id=4258128&page=1
THIS ISN'T POL, POST IMOUTOS
>>141318032
If you keep it to 1st, 2nd, and 3rd cousins, yea you can pretty much have all the incest you want, and there's actually genetic and reproductive benefits to that.
But 1st degree incest is always really risky, with some recessive genetic disorders being as much as a 50/50 shot.
>>141309056
>Kirino's tsun was jacked up too far, as well
The reason why I dropped the show
>>141318005
It's not a meme. The chances of defects are still higher than average. It's not as simple as dice rolls, it depends potentially harmful genes in the parents. If they both inherited the same one, being siblings and all, the chances are as high as 1/4, which is a lot.
All in all, in the media the risks are definitely overestimated, but they're still there. The problem is there is almost no certain statistical data on the subject.
>>141309056
The problem with OreImo anime was too much filler. The problem with the LNs was that there was even more filler.
OreImo is a 6 novel story, a 12 episode anime, max
>>141318202
>prevent
The point is not making it easier, like avoiding scenarios where some fuck up raise his daughter to be his fucktoy (depriving her of proper education so she entirely depends on him) and get away with it
>>141318356
50/50 is mathematically impossible, unless we're talking about X-linked genes.
I wish I had a kawaii imouto to have passionate sex with on a regular basis.
>>141318531
Explain pls.
>>141317982
why do you want deformities so bad
>>141311612
Could this actually be a literary device I learned in English? Something like faulty narrator? Where the guy telling the story may be lying to us?
He totally boned his sister wow
>>141307547
Here i fixed it for you OP
>>141318762
Kyousuke was always that. He was constantly saying how much he hated her but kept bending over backwards helping her.
>>141318762
Its a literary device known as unreliable narrator, Nick from the great Gatsby is a good example of it.
>>141318072
Fucking bootlicking normalfags, fuck off.
>>141318948
Not normal faggs, we just have sisters IRL and understand that actual Incest is disgusting. and No it being ''2D'' doesn't suddenly make it ok. I wouldn't do something in 2D that i wouldn't be willing to do in the real world.
>>141317195
Sure, if "just right" mating patterns between third cousins are your fetish, that study does provide justification for it. It's not even the first of its kind, there are plenty of other studies that show benefits in mating with distant relatives over generations, when recessive lethal alleles are more effectively reduced from the gene pool than in populations that do not commonly practice incest. Generally 2nd cousins or further away, though.
>>141318099
In Egypt full sibling incest was very common even among the commoners. During the Roman era, up to one third of all documented marriages were between older brothers and their younger siblings. It was against the local custom for onee-chans to marry their otoutos, however. Incest was more common in the cities than in the countryside, and the inbreeding depression (lower fertility rates, not "sadness from the realization you just fucked your sister without first offering a sheep to the goddess Isis") is thought to have been quite severe.
>>141318924
>unreliable narrator
/lit/anon, does GGRM count?
Incest was used by nobility to keep the blood puree
>>141319058
Did you mean GRRM(George R. R. Martin)? If so then yes.
>>141309231
Dog inbreeding kind of results in bastardized pups. Just because it's common practice doesn't mean it's not fucked up.
>>141319036
I swear, this whole "if you have a sister then you can't like Incest" thing is so fucking stupid and said nearly every thread. I have an Imouto and I fucking love Incest.
>>141318453
You do realize that it's actually legal in a lot of the world, including the U.S.? There are multiple states that allow it, and allowed it before things like gay marriage. I think it's absolutely retarded to make laws against it, who gives a fuck how people live their lives, but your point doesn't even stand, since it's not even illegal in a lot of places.
>>141319187
How does Martin quality as a unreliable narrator..
>>141319057
at least they are unlike the mongol where the successor also retain the concubines including mother
>>141318590
X-linked diseases (caused by genes in the X chromosome) are inherited by 50% of the male offspring (so 25% of the total offpsring) when the mother is a healthy carrier, (100% of the male offpring if the mother's affected too, but it's very rare)
If the father's healthy, incest does not affect this, but if he's not (and it's not that unlikely if that disease runs in the family) then half of the female offpsring will be affected too (so 50% of the total offpsring).
For the rest, I just realized I was full of shit. If there are multiple sets of harmful allels and both the parents are healthy carriers for all of them, the chances of defects can get pretty high, though I don't know how often this happens (there is almost no reliable statistical data on close-relative incest). When I read that post I assumed there was only one harmful allel (in that case the chances of disease are 1/4)
>>141319271
i feels sad for your imaginary imouto
>>141319278
i heard one can marry his adopted daughter in Murican, true?
>>141319291
the fatfuck forgot some details and treat them as ''unreliable narrator'' when prompt
>>141309231
>Also incest is common practice for animal breeding
And look at what kind of abominations who life in constant pain it has wrought.
Special dog breeds are absolute cancer
Chickens are bred and fed in such a way they break their own legs with their weight
Cows literally can't life on their own without someone milking them regularly/daily
etc.etc.etc.
Acting like modern domestication is a good argument for incest has to be the most retarded thing I've heard of in the past year.
>>141319271
You clearly have not spent enough time around her. 3D Women are selfish entitled and unreasonable. Even more so if they related by blood, i have 3 sisters. Not just one. So I've had the displeasure of experiencing the whole spectrum. You've obviously not shared a room with your sister or had to be her errand boy and fetch shit for her 24/7.
>>141319271
This. Why do you >>141319036 fucks always spout this shit? You may not like it, fine. But I think incest in fiction is top-tier, and I would certainly fuck my sister given the opportunity to do so.
>>141318453
This doesn't concern sibling incest.
And exploitation can still be made illegal.
>>141319420
>3D Women are selfish entitled and unreasonable.
Yup but I still like Incest.Perhaps it is because I'm southern and it is in my blood?
>>141319420
>3D
No shit, that's why 2D is different. Just because you want to fuck a cute and nice sister doesn't mean you want to fuck your own piece of shit sister. Are you actually retarded?
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>>141319036
Single sister plebs think they have a stake in this discussion
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>>141319036
>we
I have a sister, I feel very uneasy about being romantically involved with her, but I still like 2D incest and have zero problems with 3D one.
>>141319420
>my sister was a bitch so incest is disgusting
Would you shit on Tonari no Seki-kun if the girl sitting next to you in school had been a bitch?
>>141307830
Myself;Yourself
>>141319278
I argue why it should be illegal and you not only ignore the pointed issue but says it ok because it's legal in several places
You might as well not have replied
>>141319332
So in your opinion, there should be no real negative effect of 3rd cousin incest, or even 2nd cousin incest?
>>141319386
Yeah, I'm pretty sure that there are some states that don't have laws against it. Hell, there are some states that let you full on marry siblings and parents. And why not? If they want to, who gives a damn?
>>141319528
>>141319440 Here, how would that even make a difference? Would that make you less or more likely to want to fuck them? If I had more than one sister, I'd probably just want to fuck them all.
>>141319386
I always felt unreliable narrator is a cop out
>>141318234
So why do the chances of children being born with a defect go up the older a woman gets?
>>141319656
The cake starts to spoil.
>>141319640
not always
>>141319640
It's a cop out if you randomly pull it after the fact like that, especially when the narrator's not even any sort of character. When the narrator is a character or does have a clear personality and motives, then that's different.
>>141319656
More time for eggs to get fuck ups. Woman are born with all their eggs, the longer it takes to fertilize one, the higher chance something will have gone wrong with it by then.
>>141319609
I was only replying to what you said in that post. As for your other argument, nothing stops someone from deciding to raise their kid to just be single and want to fuck them their whole life either. So saying that allowing family members to marry would lead to sudden spikes in people raising fuck toys isn't logical at all.
Interested in Koi Kaze. Which should I go for, the manga or the anime?
>>141319656
Because semen is produced daily and eggs are produced at birth.
>>141319690
Indeed.
Is Kyon in Haruhi an unreliable narrator?
>>141319618
If we want to be nitpicky, the chances are probably still higher than average, but for 3rd and 2nd degree cousins they're incredibly low. There's no real reason to worry about them more than, say, complications during childbirth.
>>141319862
Is anon in 4chan an unreliable narrator?
>>141319912
Nah, you can trust us.
We need to find a way to legitimize incest.
This is the time to do it, thanks to the jews.
>>141319912
I fucking hate Normie's and women hating and laughing at me for no reason
>>141319444
The whole consent thing is grounded over when a person is mature enough for a relationship, but people don't mature the same. Parents and - in a much lesser degree - older siblings have a too much powerful influence in the maturity process. My point is, its not ok to fuck someone you raised/were raised with, blood related or not
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>>141319516
Its mainly based on suspension of disbelief, if you understand the behavioral mechanisms of actual women and sisters it becomes impossible for you to enjoy incest. Because your brain keeps sending messages to you going like ''this is impossible she would never act like this, why are you watching/reading this? this is retarded''.
Number of dimensions withstanding, the way characters behave and interact with the world around them needs to be coherent for the viewer or they will feel disconnected and unable to empathize with the story.
>>141320021
>My point is, its not ok to fuck someone you raised/were raised with, blood related or not
I say that's bullshit, honestly. The actual fucking is not a problem once they're of age to consent, the only problem is if someone wrecks your life by trying to engineer you so that they can fuck you.
>>141320021
When both the siblings are mature what's wrong with them fucking? And who are you to stop them?
>>141320045
If you seriously can't handle sisters acting nice in fiction because of how unrealistic it is compared to your sister, I think you need to see a specialist.
>>141320045
How the fuck do you even watch anime if you have literally no capacity for suspension of disbelief?
