![[HorribleSubs] Kabaneri of the Iron Fortress - 04 [1080p].mkv_snapshot_06.52_[2016.05.07_23.45.29].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/Fa7uEsT.jpg "[HorribleSubs] Kabaneri of the Iron Fortress - 04 [1080p].mkv_snapshot_06.52_[2016.05.07_23.45.29].jpg")
How is this even possible in current year 2016?
I thought the anime industry decided that shading was commercially non-viable long ago?
They're literally burning money on adding 4 tone shading that audiences won't even notice or care about.
Nothing is "non viable", anon. No matter how good an author is, there remains only a limited market space for any type of art direction. If you're the only game in town with X art style, you'll snag that market.
>>141231830
Because TV anime is better than ever.
The fuck are you on about senpai
>>141232074
>>141231830
Because WIT are gods
G O D S
>>141232161
WIT is saving the industry
>>141231830
WIT doesnt give a shit, they do whatever they want.
>>141232074
Why do SnK fags always have to bring up their show when someone talks about Kabaneri?
>>141232215
Same show, dude.
>>141232215
because its SnK 2.0
>>141231830
>Shading thread
I like how you misspelled shitposting general.
God Eater did it better.
![Fatal Fury 2 - The New Battle (OVA 2).mkv_snapshot_00.03.08_[2015.11.24_23.26.30].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/Z7SaOKp.jpg "Fatal Fury 2 - The New Battle (OVA 2).mkv_snapshot_00.03.08_[2015.11.24_23.26.30].jpg")
Until 3 tones with huge black shadows come back, I won't be satisfied.
![[HorribleSubs] Kabaneri of the Iron Fortress - 04 [1080p].mkv_snapshot_00.23_[2016.05.08_00.12.30].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/9GQh8jU.jpg "[HorribleSubs] Kabaneri of the Iron Fortress - 04 [1080p].mkv_snapshot_00.23_[2016.05.08_00.12.30].jpg")
Flat shading fags BTFO
BTFO!
>>141231830
Because they have an animator clean it up and add make-up effects digitally
![2016.05.08_00.27.32].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/uMLgfJR.jpg "2016.05.08_00.27.32].jpg")
>otaking was right.jpg
![GodEater_alisa_bluee_whiteh_musc_anime_ep03_[HorribleSubs] GOD EATER - 03 [720p].mkv_snapshot_15.08_[2015.08.04_21.05.13]_face.jpg](https://i.imgur.com/jNHg8dr.jpg "GodEater_alisa_bluee_whiteh_musc_anime_ep03_[HorribleSubs] GOD EATER - 03 [720p].mkv_snapshot_15.08_[2015.08.04_21.05.13]_face.jpg")
>>141231830
There's been an awakening.
Can you feel it?The dark side.And the light.
>>141232201
One flop at a time.
>>141231830
And it looks like dick. The eyes look tacked on
>>141231830
>4 tone shading that audiences won't even notice or care about.
Yet here you are making a thread about it.
The 4 layer shading in Kabaneri magically disappears when things are actually moving.
>>141232074
That's not 4-tone.
>>141233523
That's 3D though.
>>141231830
This show is so pretty I actually can't care if it's just an unoriginal rip-off.
It's only 4-tone for relatively still scenes and close-ups.
It's lazy as fuck and not true 4-tone like the GOAT 80s and 90s. Fuck, I wish we could go back to the old days of pure action animes with alpha male MCs and not this strong wimmin shit.
>>141232558
That looks fucking shit.
>>141232655
>>141231830
>>141232074
if only they could see that blur always looks fucking shit
>>141233692
Implying SnK isn't a success
>>141234537
>not this strong wimmin shit
I was considering spamming you with female action protagonists from the 80s and 90s but I'm too lazy.
![Bubblegum_Crisis_Ep6_[720p,BluRay,x264]_-_THORA.mkv_snapshot_33.24_[2016.05.08_01.07.16] copy.jpg](https://i.imgur.com/cYn0JSH.jpg "Bubblegum_Crisis_Ep6_[720p,BluRay,x264]_-_THORA.mkv_snapshot_33.24_[2016.05.08_01.07.16] copy.jpg")
>>141234218
Standard procedure. Same with hi-budget 80s OVAs like Bubblegum Crisis.
Why waste it on bits the human eye won't see?
>>141234825
Good. I wouldn't like to post in one thread with people who take such terrible baits.
>>141234825
Because you're lying and you can't.
>>141234218
And some close-up with barely anything moving have even more complex shading than OP's image. They are obviously going to be smart about when to use it. Some anime will lose almost any kind of shading during actions scenes and everything that is not the background will be 100% flat.
>>141234537
>not this strong wimmin shit.
Anime might not be your thing if you don't like kick-ass girls.
>>141234537
>strong wimmin shit.
The stronk wymin in Kabaneri have a somewhat western feel, I agree.
But in general, kickass girls in anime have been separate from western feminism; the focus isn't to undermine or compete with men in the same way that COUGH (jewish) feminism is in the west.
>>141232074
>not four tone shading
>pointless SnK plug by some retard that's not even watching kabaneri
It would be nice to have one shitposter free thread.
>>141234452
Nope. If it were, that'd arguably be even more amazing.
>>141234218
And? Literally every animation in history has done this. Nobody will notice it during a fast action scene except for autists like you that rewatch a scene a dozen times to find something to nitpick, so it's better to use that time and effort elsewhere.
>>141234537
>It's only 4-tone for relatively still scenes and close-ups.
That's still more than pretty much any modern show, so I'll take it.
>MUH 4 TONE SHADING REQUIRES A HIGH BUDGET
>>141234966
This applies to anime of any age, though. People laud older anime lbecause they cherry pick a few close-up shots from OVAs and shows they've never watched, then apply retard logic and say that it was standard for all scenes when it was used just as much/little as shows/OVAs/movies today [that bother with more than two shades].
The only thing that's really missing is flat blacks because they've been out of fashion for decades..
>>141234218
Just like in old anime.
>i watch old anime notice me xd
>>141235304
Yeah, we should all watch fun and comfy animes like Haifuri and Kumamiko. They're the zenith of anime quality.
I prefer good sakuga than good shading on stills. Kabaneri sadly doesn't have much sakuga so far.
>>141235177
That looks like shit though.
>>141235166
It's just a pretty show in general. Not because of the shading, but the aesthetic and character designs are nice. It's an added bonus that WiT are putting a little bit more effort into their talking head scenes than other studios, but that's all it is, a bonus.
>>141235177
>cherry pick a few close-up shots from OVAs
Those OVAs look good in moving form too. Check out some webms. And the fact remains that modern OVAs still don't look as good as the ones from the 80s and 90s.
>>141231830
They burned all their budget, episode 4 looked like shit.
>>141235557
Well it's WIT after all so everyone was expecting that already.
>>141235447
I know. But the way some people here preach about MUH 4 TONE SHADING, you'd think they're saying that shading is the only qualifier of what makes something look good and ALWAYS require a high budget when both are falsh. Plenty of MUH 4 TONE SHADING looks like shit and it doesn't mean a show has an absurdly high budget. It's a style choice and whether people like it or not, it's been out of vogue for most of the last two decades.
>>141235538
Modern OVAs don't look as good as some OVAs from the 80s and 90s. Simply by numbers, the 80s and 90s are going to look better since there were more OVAs. But if you watch some more, outside of the big ones that everyone knows and everyone cites as being the norm, there's also shitty OVAs out there that aren't quite as polished.
>>141235469
It is a pretty show in general, it's just that all the criticisms leveled against the shading so far have been baseless. It's just people searching for reasons to dislike a solid show.
>>141235557
Aside from more still pans, I thought it looked pretty good. Do you have any particular examples of quality?
![Bubblegum_Crisis_Ep6_[720p,BluRay,x264]_-_THORA.mkv_snapshot_41.26_[2016.05.08_01.30.34].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/PiPDTB8.jpg "Bubblegum_Crisis_Ep6_[720p,BluRay,x264]_-_THORA.mkv_snapshot_41.26_[2016.05.08_01.30.34].jpg")
>We will never see anything like Bubblegum Crisis ever again
Time to depart this homosexual realm.
>>141235760
>falsh
I can't even excuse that as a typo.
>>141235803
I'm not going to lie, I've avoided most threads, so I haven't seen much in the way of criticism other than comparing it to SnK.
It's just nice to see based Mikimoto back on form.
I thought he'd gone the way of most 80s big names and died or turned to porn calendars.
>>141236039
That's probably a good idea overall. Sometimes there's fun discussion or grade A memes and shops, but there's a ton of dedicated shitposters (or maybe a few REALLY dedicated shitposters) that fuck up most threads. Baseless SnK comparisons are still rampant, but now they've started to call it a Tokyo Ghoul clone among other things, the Frodos aren't even trying anymore, and most talk of shading just leads to somebody posting that Hibike Emporium 2x2 of really bad shading or spamming that you're from Reddit for liking shading. It's not even criticism, it's just shit.
Best Mikimoto girl coming through.
>>141232558
*Obari intensifies*
>>141236443
>>141231830
the shading should be softer. it looks like shit if you can see the exact line that divides 1 tone of the other.
>>141234537
>animes
You're no oldfag.
>>141236522
Are you insane?
>>141236148
Isn't most of the big 80s crowd still kicking? Unless you're counting like Dezaki and other people like that who were already around before then.
>>141236522
I've only ever seen graded shading in detailed manga pages, never anime. I would imagine that even for a still shot in a show, blending the shading would take way too much time.
>>141231830
>>141232074
>>141232655
It looks like shit.
>>141236292
Yeah, all I readlly do is boot up download them all and download images and webms. /a/'s too full of normalfags these days that complain about stuff we've had for decades, like sexualisation of characters, to bother discussing anything with. I'd rather just enjoy the shows I watch, whether it's something like Kabaneri or the FotM CGDCT show of the season and save any discussion towards the end of the season.
>and most talk of shading just leads to somebody posting that Hibike Emporium 2x2 of really bad shading or spamming that you're from Reddit for liking shading. It's not even criticism, it's just shit.
Unfortunately, that just sounds like backlash to shade shitposting over the years. Kind of like how people automatically trash anyone that likes the big 3, because of the association with children. There have been far more people that shitpost about shading, rather than making legitimate threads about the merits of shading, over the years and it generally leaves a bad taste in other people's mouths. I don't agree with it, but I can see where people are coming from with it. It's disappointing to hear because like ou said, it's not even a criticism, but not much can be done about it unless you get a time machine and change the course of the board.
>>141235805
>bubblegum crisis will never be finished
>>141236991
Well, a few "sequels" do exist
>>141237061
The less said about Crash the better. The spin off stuff varies in quality.
>>141237061
No, they dont. Fuck off.
>>141236463
>the new kof movie will actually be a chinese cartoon
>no obari
dammit snk
>>141236292
>the Frodos aren't even trying anymore
When in the history of the meme has a Frodo poster ever put in an ounce of effort?
>>141237123
I dont dislike shading. But doingit forcefully everywhere is retarded.
>>141237412
>that's the joke.png
>>141237412
>>141237412
You seem to have misjudged which one is the moron here
>>141235675
>zooming in
Really now faggot?
>>141237283
Im glad based Araki recruited Mikimoto for Kabaneri.
>>141236959
I should probably start doing the same, it sounds like it's much better for your mental health.
>Kind of like how people automatically trash anyone that likes the big 3
Do we really though? Naruto that was true for up until the mods stopped banning Naruto threads, but a large chunk of /a/ loves One Piece and Bleach, and we have near constant threads up for them.
You're right anyways though, it's a bummer that people let shitposting beget shitposting. It doesn't make the board better.
>>141237164
I've seen a few with legitimate questions. Funnily enough, those were always the ones that got ignored by everybody.
>>141237645
>and we have near constant threads up for them.
And said threads act and feel like a leak from Arlong Park.
>>141231830
Is working, Shading: the anime is selling well.
>>141232215
>Why do SnK fags always have to bring up their show when someone talks about Kabaneri?
Because th guys working on Kabaneri are the same guys that worked on SnK and they liked how it was, so they are making their own version without being locked down on a manga version.
>>141231830
>burning money
It's not that expensive, it just takes the combined effort of key animators adding a bit more detail to select shots and then being touched up by digital artists. If anything it's more time-consuming, which isn't great for Kabaneri's production.
>>141234218
Like old 80s OVA.
>audiences won't even notice or care about.
It looks like shit
>>141237974
Time is money?
>>141238054
>more people shitposting with zero evidence
Just because you don't like that the show isn't moe enough doesn't mean it's bad.
>>141231830
They have a dedicated "Chief Makeup Animator", a first for TV Anime and some staff to paint when everyone else work is done.
WIT finds a way
>>141235160
It's god eater, it is fucking 3d, its just 3d combined with drawing. The show looks god awful when anything animates, for the most part.
>>141239083
It's not 3D, the staff explicitly stated the characters and weapons are not 3D and raw key animations have been shown in exhibitions before. It's just detailed shading combined with modern digital colouring.
>>141238592
to flopsville
>>141233523
>>141239393
The way the characters moved in this show felt like they were using pupettering software in some parts.
>>141239477
The movement looked very much like typical anime. If you look at the credits you'll find a long list of 2D animators credited anyway.
>>141237974
if its not expensive why only do it for close up of girls
>>141237283
That plate's not even round.
>>141239563
Because it's time-consuming.
>>141231830
Looks like 5 tones to me.
>>141235803
>It is a pretty show in general
NEVER TAKE KABANERIFAGS SERIOUSLY
>>141235469
>>141235803
Not even the best looking show this season
>>141231830
>They're literally burning money on adding 4 tone shading that audiences won't even notice or care about.
I care about and i like it.
Why is it that people who like this show have absolutely no idea what the fuck they're talking about?
![Texhnolyze - 07 [DVD 720x480 x264 AAC].mkv-0001.png](https://i.imgur.com/2mNEMdc.png "Texhnolyze - 07 [DVD 720x480 x264 AAC].mkv-0001.png")
What is this style of animation called? Just dark tones and heavy shadows.
>>141241321
edgeworks
>>141241210
When have you ever seen someone on /a/ that knows what they are talking about?
>>141241388
We have offtopic threads every now and then.
>>141235803
>it's just that all the criticisms leveled against the shading so far have been baseles
Not at all. The people who like it are retarded and in general don't watch a bulk of the anime that comes out hence why they think this is the best looking show in years when its not its just a regular bloated WIT anime with all the flaws that comes with it. And no the show is far from solid, its pretty fucking dumb and predictable thus far I guess the fanbase can only bring up MUH SHADING since the show has nothing going for it.
>>141231830
>4 tone shading
wow, hiring more people to click the paint bucket icon, what a sacrifice
>that audiences won't even notice or care about.
This show would be unwatchable if it were flat. It's barely watchable with shading.
And the music in the last ep was total, embarrassing garbage.
>>141241388
>When have you ever seen someone on /a/ that knows what they are talking about?
When Otaking posts.
Someone perform the summoning ritual
>>141241210
HMMM GEEZ I WONDER
MAYBE BECAUSE IT"S SHOUNENSHIT?
>>141241321
anime noirplural: animes noir
>>141235538
>And the fact remains that modern OVAs still don't look as good as the ones from the 80s and 90s.
You faggots don't even watch anime. OVA's died two decades ago.
>>141241766He's a big guy.
>>141234218
>Why didn't all of spongebob look like this!
It's literally just 2 more lines and 2 more clicks in paint program.
>>141241925
No they didn't, dumbass. What do you think all those episodes of One-Punch Man and To Love-Ru that came out after their respective series ended are?
The idea behind Kabaneri was trying to create the most normalfag-pandering show ever made, so that's why they have a rip-off of SnK's plot with added zombies and steampink, lots of animation, shading up the ass and even a Sawano OST (which doesn't fit the show at all in plenty of cases). And apparently it's working, despite the fact that some of those normalfags feel uncomfortable about how there's a 12 years old girl wearing skimpy clothes.
>>141242427
Who the fuck compares 90s and 80s OVAs to fucking BD specials.
>>141232660
I hope other studios hire someone like that then.
>>141231830
>They're literally burning money on adding 4 tone shading that audiences won't even notice or care about.
Amazon money at work.
![Dangaioh OVA 02 - Spiral Knuckle In Tears.mkv_snapshot_23.00_[2015.07.11_17.03.16].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/d39Cryv.jpg "Dangaioh OVA 02 - Spiral Knuckle In Tears.mkv_snapshot_23.00_[2015.07.11_17.03.16].jpg")
>>141242434
>most normalfag-pandering show ever made
>shading up the ass
Normalfags don't even know what the fuck shading is, anon. They watch flat shit like One Piss and Naruto.
>>141231830
/a/ thinking any of this looks good is really a sign of how awful the board has quickly become over the last couple years.
This looks like all digital era art ever does, fat heavy easy to scan line art and flat simple easy to computer color, except this time there's three colors.
It's devoid of any of the texturing that made the analog stuff look good. There's no substitute for hand gradients.
>>141235304
Those are all from the same show. Same episode, even.
>>141239437
Kabaneri is an original and is leading the BD sales with JoJo, which is an established franchise.
WIT is becoming the best studio out there.
>>141242467
If they were never shown on TV or in theaters, they are OVAs. Look it up on wikipedia if you don't believe me.
>>141237283
>you will never watch dyrl as a kid in the 80s
Really a watershed moment for tibetan sand painting. Nearly a BC/AD thing for what it did to high budget production values.
>>141242664
I hope Amazon drops an airplane of money into WIT then.
It's obvious that they are putting it to good use.
>>141239598
Shit, neither of them are. Do they fix stuff like that when it comes out on DVD/ Blu-Ray?
>>141242851
Are you stupid? I'm saying is retarded to compare a couple of shitty BD specials per season to the amount of OVAs that came out in the past.
OVAs are fucking dead, there's no need for them when we have movies and 12-episode series.
>>141242754
Yes sure they have, just look at this amazing lineup of best sellers. No wait, half their shows are flops.
○WIT STUDIO TVアニメ売上一覧
(2013) 51,190 進撃の巨人
(2014) 14,133 鬼灯の冷徹
(2015) **,970 ローリングガールズ
(2015) *3,534 終わりのセラフ
(2015) *2,273 終わりのセラフ 名古屋決戦編
(16/05/01)
>>141234269
Move that goal post more, senpai.
>>141242919
>Are you stupid?
No, but you might want to evaluate your own intellect. You said nothing of amounts and by calling them DVD specials you implied that they weren't OVAs.
>>141242700
That is correct. If you weren't a dense motherfucker, you would see that is the joke, rather than proving that you are an idiot.
>>141242700
Thanks, Sherlock.
How can WIT be so based?
I hope they adopt this style in their next shows too.
>>141243122
>You said nothing of amounts
What the fuck do you think I meant when I said OVAs were dead you gigantic fucking retard.
>>141237974
>implying the key animators ever do anything related to color ten years ago let alone now
Old school pencil sketching is dead mate. The girls doing the coloring on the computer wouldn't be able to see it and it's no longer as simple as running an eraser over some paper to delete the guidelines.
>>141243339
The animators were never in charge of color, it was always women doing basically slave-tier work.
Animation is still done with paper and pencil, but of course it's not like anyone here cares about actual facts.
>shadeposting
>>141243229
I was referring to your post that contained: "Who the fuck compares 90s and 80s OVAs to fucking BD specials", you mong. And they aren't "dead". They are still being produced on a smaller scale and look shittier.
>>141234465
That's my thought, waifu likes it because it looks like Miyazaki.
>>141243564
>They are not dead they are just in coma
>>141243439
Information about tone / shadows was often lightly penciled in and left alone while the line art was inked. The girl doing the coloring would just color over the pencil work and when they were finished and the color was set they'd just run an eraser over the sketching from the animator (more expensive productions were different but whatever).
That's what I mean by old school pencil work is dead. The uninked sketching of the past that would get passed up the work chain doesn't exist anymore, because only fatty fat line art lends itself to scanning.
>>141243620
That's more appropriate.
>>141232299
>>141232261
Having read, and dropped, the SnK manga before its anime was announced I am comfortable saying zombies in steampunk feudal Japan has little in common with babbi's first gore shonen.
>>141243130
>>141243123
New as fuck. Check the archives, this shit is posted every time someone posts that image.
>>141243739
>I am comfortable saying zombies in steampunk feudal Japan has little in common
Well, the plot is actually moving, that's one big difference.
Also, we have a main character who is... alright, but not super amazing, which makes him an awesome lead.
>>141243229
they can't exist in the same form anymore but stuff like Thunderbolt still follow the same old format, it wouldn't work any other way if they didn't have that freedom
>>141243339
Pretty sure the are colour guidelines in>>141243475
>>141243475
fucking saved
>>141244068
In the past for the most part (important cuts would be redrawn from scratch by the key animators) those drafts would evolve into the final cels. Pic related, draft work that didn't evolve into final cels because the key animator did his own.
The demarcation between what's done on paper and what's done digitally prevents the old way from happening.
>>141244540
I don't see how it's any different from the example you posted. The work flow for key animators haven't changed much with the switch to digital coloring save for needing to draw more precise lines to help with the scanning.
>>141244967
I don't see what's difficult about what I'm saying. The process is no longer linear but forked between what's scanned and what's exclusively paper, whereas drafts of the past eventually became cels proper.
>>141245068
It's still a linear process, it just switches from analog to digital at some stage. At the end of the day, my point is that the key animator's job remains the same.
>>141245296
It's not linear. This >>141243475 did not become a digital cel. It's merely a reference.
>>141244540
The key animators never have to handle the final cels, the completed raw key animation is sent off to be transposed onto a celluloid sheet which then will be coloured by the painters.
>>141245498
>painters
I wish bro.
would you let this guy REPAIR your train?
>>141245532
They are painters, no?
>>141231830
>>141232074
>They're literally burning money on adding 4 tone shading that audiences won't even notice or care about.
The average audience is dumb for care about shading or styles, only a small niche of internet people care because they pause and take screenshot of episodes.
>>141239560
Stop fucking shit posting. God Eater was fucking CGI and you know it. The show looks shit just like any other anime adaptations with great plots that were CGI'd. Ajin, Berserk, looking at you.
TL;DR God Eater is shit, aka your favorite anime is shit and you eat shit and CGI fucking sucks.
>>141245587
Why the fuck would I let a Gaijin do anything for me? Stop shitposting.
>>141245587
I'd promote him chief repairman. Or whatever the highest position is in his line of work.
>>141245716
Bubuki Buranki is the only anime i've ever watched with CGI that looked fluid, believable, and outright good. All other CGI is fucking ass.
>>141245587
MAYBE if he got more screentime
>>141245605
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MZA-ov99LU
>>141245716
Maybe you're the one who should stop shitposting mate. From staff interviews to animation credits and key animation exhibits, the show quite clearly uses hand drawn animation. Or maybe you're just fucking blind so there's no fixing your defect.
>>141243656
Hurr durr what is a cel
Sick misinfornation, bruh.
>>141245847
I highly doubt it. But I don't even want to be bothered looking because whether or not that show is CGI, it looks CGI, and it looks half-assed CGI, which is bad anyway seeing as CGI is fucking shit anyway.
Why are you trying so hard to defend your shitty anime? Instead of trying to argue "It doesn't look shit" you're arguing "Uhm, it's actually not CGI"
I can imagine you a pale whiny kid with a punchable face making stupid arguments.
Pic related. Try telling me A. This looks like it was animated well, or B. This isn't CGI or close as fuck to it (i.e. half-assed CGI)Hint: you can't.
>>141245716
http://yoshi-x2.tumblr.com/post/125688848340/some-god-eater-genga-currently-on-display-in
Have some God Eater raw key animation
>>141245716
CGI is literally any image that processed on computer. If you mean 3d characters, then god eater characters is not 3d cgi.
>>141246024
>>141246039
So you're trying to tell me that scenes such as this (typical god eater scene) was drawn 100% with no help 3D CGI at all? You're in denial. Just because they got some raw drawy drawy for you little fanboys doesn't mean it's raw. This fucking show had some help with 3D, and you're stupid if you think it didn't.
>>141245716
>>141246001
>>141246137
>I REJECT YOUR REALITY AND SUBSTITUTE MY OWN
k, dude.
>>141246001
Lmfao look how shitty that explosion is.
>>141246001
Because your argument is that God Eater is CGI, and I say it is wrong. I do not care whether it looks good or not, but I hate ignorant statements about animation like yours. There is evidence in the credits and exhibitions that the show primarily uses hand-drawn animation, you insist on playing blind and deaf while proclaiming you are right.
>>141246137
It's a matter of digital colouring you damn ignorant fool. There is nothing about the animation in that scene that can't be done with 2D animation. You're being fooled by the digital colouring.
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>>141246249
When did this turn into a God Eater Fanboy thread?
/thread please.
>>141246001
Look at her hair in the final pose. It's looping. CGI doesn't use 2-frame loops.
You're an amateur. Stop talking as if you knew your shit.
>>141243739
>zombies in steampunk feudal japan
That much might be true, but just want to point out that
>Tetsuro Araki directs both
>Music is by Hiroyuki Sawano in both
>George Wada was involved in the production of both
>Wada, an I.G studio producer, was a founder of WIT (which is a subsidiary of IG Port)
These guys are just using the same formula and changing the variablesinb4 all anime uses the same formula!!!
![[HorribleSubs] Hibike! Euphonium - 08 [720p].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/9mhcK7C.jpg "[HorribleSubs] Hibike! Euphonium - 08 [720p].jpg")
>>141246137
CGI is common thing. Today it's hard to find anime that was drawn WITHOUT CGI. These anime don't exist.
>>141246304
You don't have to be a fan of the show to be irked by ignorant statements about animation.
>>141246313
>Oh wow, her hair is 2-frame looping, proof CGI was never used once at all in this anime
Is this the logic that God Eater fanboys use? Actually, the fact that you're all trying so hard to prove that it's NOT 3D CGI proves that you guys dislike the idea of it being 3D CGI (when it's 3D CGI).
>Muh irony
>>141245587
This guy is seriously the best character hope he doesn't die.
>>141246439
Is pic even related?
>>141246388
Why do you have to litter all your posts with "heh God Eater fanboys" shit? It's an animation thread, not a God Eater thread. It makes you look like you have some sort of personal agenda against the show or the game and guess what, nobody gives a fuck about it. I haven't even watched God Eater.
I am simply pointing out the objective, factual reality to you in hopes of making you less ignorant. Take it or leave it.
>>141241321
it's calld "mid 00s anime"
>>141246137
>is given evidence of hand drawn animation
>"IT'S STILL CGI BECAUSE I SAY SO"
Convincing argument, retard.
>>141243872
The plot is literally moving via train
>>14124132
Harsh lighting? That's how I'd describe Texhnolyze.
>>141246562
Fuck, meant >>141241321
>>141246137
The only 3DCG used here was for the Aragami though.
AMAZON MONEY
Did 4 tone shading fall out of favor because everything is low budget now, or is it a style thing? Even for films, it feels like something was lost between the 80's/90's and now. Maybe it's traditional cel-painting as well
>>141246485
I'll leave it. And yes, I hate ufotable, they killed my family.
>>141246496
Evidence it's hand drawn doesn't mean they didn't do a little hokey pokey with 3D CGI to help. Get it through your thick skull. In fact, that's probably the reason it looks worse than most CGI. Because it was half-assed If they were gonna draw it they should've left it at that and went raw (The designs are beautiful, the animation is shit). Regardless, they fucked up somewhere because it looks like fucking claymation half the time Wallace and Gromit looks better. Chicken Run looks better. Bad anime is bad, angry fanboys are angry.
>>141232074
AoT primarily uses 2-tone shading tho
Not that Kabaneri is that much better
>>141246621
Amazon haven't funded Kabaneri though.
>>141232655
Fuck that's practically 2-tone
>>141234537
>It's only 4-tone for relatively still scenes and close-ups.
>And female characters
ftfy
>>141246634
It's mostly style. OVAs are one thing, since that whole market largely died, but there's been no major dropoff in TV/movie budgets since the 80s/90s, as far as I know, and the upper-end at least is higher than it was.
>>141242164
it did, your tv was just too shit to notice
>>141246667
The only hokey pokey involved is how they used digital coloring mate. You can hate how the show looks, but at least understand the real reason as to why it looks bad.
>>141246388
>>141246667
It's like arguing with a child.
>>141236522
You're fucking retarded. There needs to be an obvious distinction or else it'll be pointless.
The tone differences in >>141236383 for example blend too easily and therefore won't be noticed as 3-tone as easily as >>141236591
There needs to be an drastic difference in toning or it'll just be a waste of time.
>>141246439
There is no point in having a character die that is only in the show for some comedy.
>>141231830
>Muh multi toned shading
Didn't JoJo already do this in Stardust Crusaders?
>>141246925
Yes, and beautifully at that.
>>141246439
It would be really weird to kill him off before explaining why he's even around.
>>141231830
>4 tone shading
>it's actually 2 and 3 tone, mostly 2
Ayy fuck off this looks like trash.
Also you don't waste money on shading, it's fucking shading you retard.
Animating it doesn't cost more money, it cost more talent for whoever is doing it.
People are just lazy shits and rather do everything just by using mouse only and dragging their CG models in MMD, which is what 95% of all anime is right now, like every show this season.
If they cared in the slightest about what they were doing they would make it look better, but they don't.
This argument is old and retarded just like you OP.
>>141246634
the 80s/90s was a time when animators survive on pure willpower
They get that shit done because there's no other way
Animators nowadays have tons of digital tool and look what they come up with.
>>141246986
>2 and 3 tone
Are you blind? Check her neck.
The 80s were a miraculous time.
>>141246679
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=16595
>>141247026
Yeah, why isn't everything shaded and detailed and realistic like the 80s?
>>141246925
Yes, its great. Althought i always thought they had too much lines in the faces,
>>141247165
>Production:
>Aniplex
>Dentsu Inc.
>Fuji Television Network
>Kansai Telecasting Corporation
>Kyoraku Industrial Holdings Co.,Ltd.
>Wit Studio
They are not in the production committee.
>>141247263
What do you think production assistance imply? Here is more detail on the Amazon deal
>Amazon's new deal with Fuji TV for several Noitamina shows, however, is a different ball game entirely. It's impossible for me to overstate what a big deal that was. Amazon has more money than God, and the amount they were rumored to be offering for exclusive worldwide streaming rights for a series was by far the highest price I've ever heard of being paid for anime rights -- enough to pay for the entire production and then some. Amazon is serious about beefing up their video platform's offerings in all categories, and they don't particularly seem to care about making back their investment right away. They're building up a library to make their platform a viable offering compared to Netflix.
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/answerman/2016-03-18/.99932
>>141246137
My first post in this debate but although I don't think it's CG, it definitely >>looks<< CG which is worrying because they may be easing us into exclusively CG anime using the mentality that "CG = better", by creating something in that style. Just my two cents.
>>141246925
Yes and the animation suffered hard because of it
DIO's World was fucking trash even with 3T
Hopefully multitone shading makes a comeback. Kabaneri's coloring does things to me.
>>141247343
>>141247343
Not him, but you should try reading that carefully yourself, because it's going against you. Making a deal with the distributor for the streaming rghts to a broadcast block is not the same thing as financing a given show on that block.
>>141247361
>>>looks<<
Kill yourself.
>>141247343
>they were rumored to be offering for exclusive worldwide streaming rights for a series was by far the highest price I've ever heard of being paid for anime rights
You've just reinforced my point. Nowhere it is written that Amazon injected a single cent in Kabaneri and they're not in the production committee.
All they did was giving lots of money to Fuji TV to get exclusive worldwide streaming rights, the show was already funded before Amazon and Fuji TV's deal.
>>141243788
Popularity of that meme has been booming ever since OPM episode 3
They had a fucking field day with that
>>141246986
Are you fucking blind
These threads are always good for seeing delusional nostalgia-wanking idiots try to insist that animation isn't "real" when the inking and colouring is done digitally.
>>141247448
>autismo
>>141247540
No, the color/inking was done by hand on a computer, that's not REAL animation, the artists involved are talentless hacks.
>>141247537
You're retarded.
>when the inking and colouring is done digitally
It's done in every show with no exception past the 90s.
Most people here are like 16 at best.
What the fuck kinda nostalgia are you talking about?
They grew up on digital animation.
>>141231830
>Bahi finally getting through that phase of muh exaggerated fancy animation in favor of better choreography as seen in Kurusu v. Wazatori fight in ep4.
Even if he was under deadline, thank you based WIT for pushing your animators to the right direction.
>>141247604
>Most people here are like 16 at best.
>>141246986
>I have no idea what I'm talking about, but if I make my post long enough and angry enough, people might believe it.
>>141247511
>counting bright as a tone
I have some bad news for you anonymous.
As far as I know animators get paid by cut, irrelevant of the amount of "detail."
>Wit will never do a YYH remake with Kazuhiro Furuhashi as director
>They'll just keep making AoT and its shitty clones
>>141247675
You just proved that you actually don't know what you're talking about.
Congrats.
>>141247691
How can you call nostalgia bragging about something you watched yesterday?
It's contrarianism sure, retardation, of course, but nostalgia?
That's not how that works.
>>141247684
The fuck are you on about? If I was counting highlights I would have pointed at this, but everything else is a valid tone.
>>141247754
>>141247511
You have no idea how shading works.
Please apply yourself.
![[HorribleSubs] Hibike! Euphonium - 12 [720p].mkv_snapshot_05.07_[2016.05.08_13.41.31].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/vNyIYJ3.jpg "[HorribleSubs] Hibike! Euphonium - 12 [720p].mkv_snapshot_05.07_[2016.05.08_13.41.31].jpg")
>>141247540
If the interview is anything to go by, the instrument AD had nightmares doing the orchestra scene. KyoAni definitely isn't the comfiest animator lounge during Hibike's production run.
It made me wonder why they opted for flat shading in KnK when Kigami showed the new Kyoani style can work with tritone shading as shown in Hibike ep12. They kinda spoiled KnK's mood with that.
>>141247804
Tone =/= shading, or shadowing for that matter
You're one who has no idea
>>141247824
Stop embarrassing yourself further.
Just admit that you don't know what you're talking about and only want to fit in and go away.
>>141247875
I'm literally stating fact, who are you trying to troll?
>>141247820
Which KnK? It's literally impossible to keep track of anymore. I was writing a passionate defense of Kyoukai no Kanata and realized you probably meant Koe no Katachi.
>>141247875
>Being this retarded
http://ctrlpaint.org - Educate yourself, as an artist your posts are making me physically upset.
>>141231830
shading non viable but fucking pimple shines on tits ass and knees every fucking scene
>>141247699
>WIT will never do a remake of a show they didn't make in the first place with a director not in their employ and who wasn't involved in that show either
What a surprise?
>>141247920
Ah, yes. I mean Koe no Katachi. Holy shit that acronym gets crowded fast.
Have some unrelated genga as apology.
>>141247824
>>141247894
Your semantics are wrong so people are taking the piss with you. A base and the brights by definition aren't part of the shade.
There are three tones of shade against the base tone of her skin so it's three tone shading.
>>141247894
>>141247920
Samefagging won't save you.
Do you literally have no shame?
Fucking hell.
>>141247804
>You have no idea how shading works.
You mean black levels? Because that has nothing to do with tone.
>>141247961
The original poster argue that at most it was 3 tone shading with it being mostly 2 (already an incredibly retarded thing to say). There are four individual tones, despite the fourth being used in a less than stellar spot.
>>141247965
Retard
>>141247969
>nothing
Half != nothing.
>>141248009
You'd really go as far as to photoshop your post?
Does it really matter to you that much to lie on the internet and look like you know things while you talk out of your ass?
Bravo autist-kun, bravo.
It's disgusting, go learn more about the subject first before bragging.
>>141248012
Tone uses both black and white levels, and there were four consecutive uses of this in OP's image. That has nothing to do with shading.
>>141248069
You have nothing to do with your time but bait all morning?
It's a shame they blew all the money on the first 3 episodes. This one was literally a slideshow.
>>141231830
>burning money on adding 4 tone shading that audiences won't even notice or care about.
My first impression of the show was that the shading looked great.
>>141248203
Latest one had the best animation so far. Slideshows are reserved for inconsequential scenes.
>>141247960
I'd argue the multi-tone shading worked for Hibike because the show was colorful and juicy for a lack of a better term. The directing does a good job of putting the viewer in the scenes and you really feel like a classmate. With all those close up shots, more detail makes the shots a lot better. The focus was on specific characters.
Koe no Katachi on the other hand, has a much more detached camera to match the distant and melancholic tone. Less detail means you're focusing less on the details, and more on the bigger picture. Granted it's somewhat character driven, but there's a reason why Japan's Education Department wanted to ban the manga. A big part of its story is about how poorly schools handle bullying.
The difference in focus is clear as day in the promotional art as well. One's a lot more warm with closeups of the cast, while the other is a lot more cool and distant.
