Where did it all go so wrong?
>Watching shonen
>>141198600
To be honest, many points on the right don't apply to neither Kirito nor Shido.
>then
Gary Stu on steroids
>now
just Gary Stu, and steroids are bad
>>141198725
Of them do
Both are weak ass faggots who are saved by their harem members
Shounen characters were a lot alpha back in the day, they were proper role models
>>141198600
>shonen
Nobody cares.
>>141198638
this
>>141198888
>nobody cares about the biggest cash crop target demographic there is
>>141198782
>weak ass faggots who are saved by their harem members
I don't even like SAO that much and I haven't seen the second season, but most of the times Kirito is the one overpowering enemies left and right. He is saved by Asuna twice, and even then he does not stand there like a faggot but actually contributed to the victory.
The "would back down when faced with difficult situation" only applies to Yukito
And I can't see how you can even compare Rito to battle shonen MCs.
But even if all four of them were whiny faggots, you are just cherry picking.
>>141199040
*did not stand
>>141198600
>alpha
>strong
>implying
The original Gundam MC was a mini "I don't want to get into the robot".
>>141198779
/thread
>>141199271
Despite him getting into the robot even when his father said not to ?
>>141199325
>his father
You mean the brain damaged guy who couldn't tell garbage from Gundam parts?
>>141198600
Kirito doesn't fit any of the red points
>>141198888
Check'd
>>141199354
His father who created the Gundams
>Gon and Luffy
>most modern shounen out there
>has all the traits of the left and none of the right
>OP leaves them out because he's a cheery-picking faggot to compensate that he doesn't watch anime anymore
>>141199381
Except for point 4 he fit all red points
>>141198600
reprogramming of the japanese male
People unconciously pick up the things on screen - the manly men of old have now turned into spineless cowards who get scared by a girl's midriff.
Because we shifted from male power fantasy to self insert fantasy. Reading about awesome men just makes them feel inadequate when they look at their own lives.
>>141199431
>Gon and Luffy
>Modern MCs
By that logic then Berserk and Jojo MCs also count as modern MCs
where does battle shounen Kyon fit in?
>>141198600
>this awful thread again
http://desustorage.org/a/thread/140273741/#q140273741
I guess I'll start us off by pointing out that most of the people in that image aren't shounen protagonists.
>>141199470
Rito on the right shouldn't count as a modern MC if they aren't, take your garbage back to >>>/v/.
>>141199381
Except they all do.
>>141199460
Pandering TV like anime only changes in response to the changes of the people. People saw that beta's sold more so that's what they started to write stories about.
>>141199470
But Berserk isn't shounen
and Jojo isn't modern shounen (when it was shounen it wasn't modern)
None of the modern MCs are manly. Many of them are childish people.
Back in the day, it was okay for the MCs to be overpowered as they commonly acted as saviour to a group of oppressed innocent people, with their plight shown in great detail to set the context.
Nowadays, things aren't so grim dark anymore.
And obviously, men that exclusively require women to motivate them to be useful people in the world are the worst kind of people.
>>141198779
Nigga gets it
>>141199431
These stories started in the 90s tho
>>141199508
By that logic then Goku counts as a modern MC
>/v/ posting
>>>/lgbt/
>>141198600
>Outlaw Star
>DAL
>SAO
>shounen
>>141199592
yeah but they still dominate shounen like kings (or at least HxH would if it released more than 10 chapters a year)
I remember this one. Is OP going to tell us all to read the thread again?
>>141199040
Kirito looks like a bitchboy I would fuck in the ass while he crossdresses.
Fuck off.
>>141198600
I don't think you know what shounen is, considering you included three out of four shounen MCs on the left and only one out of four on the right.
>>141198600
space dandy most manly man in anime in past 10 years.
Im sick of pussyif mc in anime will need real mc
Forgetting about OP's point, which is either bait or proof he's criminally stupid, he picture of the To-Love-Ru guy makes me wonder:
What would a harem with a protagonist that isn't a wishy washy little piece of shit be like?
The only one I can think of is the Mon Musu guy, who does a decent job of being cool, but he's kind of doomed when he's surrounded by creatures whose could crush his puny human bones like pretzel.
And when I say be a cool guy I don't mean some sort of insecure "I'll rape all the bitches" delinquent chuuni shit, I just mean not being a completely clueless loser like most main characters in those books are.
>>141199381
>>141199434
>as beta as humanly possible
Buzzwords
>weak, not a gram of muscle on them
Yeah muscles sure are useful inside a game
>would back down when faced with difficult situation
Never happened in the slightest
>have no dreams, or gay ass dream like dating a girl or something
Escaping from a death game seems enough of a "manly" goal, and so is saving your girlfriend
>whine all the time, pessimistic as fuck
I don't recall him ever whining or being "pessimistic". Fuck, he even spouts bullshit about how, even inside the game, life was worth living
>girls love them for no other reason than they're "nice", further shwing shallow nature of series
This definetely applies to all the girls, but not to Asuna. The interactions between the two are believable enough, for a self insert fantasy that is.
>>141199750
>What would a harem with a protagonist that isn't a wishy washy little piece of shit be like?
Even worse. What people don't understand is that all these cliches exist because to make things easier for average and mediocre writers. Getting rid of them doesn't get rid of these mediocre writers, it just gets rid of their crutches, so you wind up with absolute catastrophes of sex and drama. Look at some 90s smut to get an idea.
>>141199793
>saofag desperate to defend his shit
>>141199649
Only because they have such dedicated fan bases built up on years and years of dedicated work and fans. One Piece, especially, appeals to everyone, from young children to grown adults.
Cant really compare the fanbase of OP to fanbases of things like SAO
>>141199494
Left as perfect husbando material and a girl he wants to marry.I miss him
because japanese turbobetamax males are also weak puny faggets.
>>141199793
>Escaping from a death game seems enough of a "manly" goal, and so is saving your girlfriend
>saofags actually use this as an argument
When did /a/ got so shit?
>>141199905
So what you're saying is that shit will be shit, and ultimately it's the ability of the creators that determines whether something will be good, regardless of what genre and trappings?
>Shounen MCs
Half of them belong to Seinen.
>>141200098
Only one is seinen, but a couple are LNs. OP is an idiot.
>>141199956
these series are constantly being called classic and modern to suit whatever argument but I'll always call them modern til they finish.
when your average modern Jump fan things modern shounen, they're probably thinking One Piece, they're definitely not thinking SAO which isn't even a battle shounen
>left
>good
Nostalgiacucks never learn. Why don't you fuck off back to your Jojo threads and pretend being a faggot is just being "fabulous"
>>141199929
>>141200012
>shitposters desperate to shit on (insert some popular shit anime)
>>141198600
>GTO
>shounen
>>141199750
The fuck? That's the standard toughness of your average self-insert, and the Mon Musu MC is bland as fuck.
>>141203578
Oh come on, that's bait and you know it.
>>141198981
Yes, people like you, the target of that demographic.
>>141198600
This thread again...
>>141198600
>why are good characters from good shounens better than bad characters from really bad shounens?
gee i dunno op maybe you were dropped on the head as a baby
>>141205994aren't you supposed to be shitposting in madoka threads
>>141198600
The right only has one shounen mc though.
"Shounen" doesn't mean "bad anime", it's a reference to manga for boys, and only Rito fits there.
>>141198600
It went from displaying a role model to what a true man is to self inserting.
Anime was a mistake, because otakus.
>>141199750
The guy from Testament? Issei from DxD?
>>141199793
>literally defending SAO
>>141198779
how is yusuke a gary stu?
Did someone ask for an alpha MC?
>>141199743
he might be but it's not shonen
>>141208703
Yes, and? I don't even like it very much, but that doesn't make every bad thing people say against it true.
The ones on the right arent even from shounen series
>>141209987
To Love-Ru and Mirai Nikki are/were both published on shonen magazines.
>>141198600
Can we have a pessimistic 90s-type character that never does anything correctly and somehow at the end of a fight does one thing right or hits some specific place by luck, wins, and then just leaves like nothing happened?
>>141198600
Maybe Johnny Bravo could come back as an anime, definitely would be anime of the season
Who would play him? There's no Japanese equivalent to Elvis, right?
>>141198600
Thankfully WIT is here to save anime
>>141198638
fpbp
>>141209971
>I don't even like it very much
How to spot the underage: tries to tell you he doesn't like x while rabidly defending x.
Shonen jump MC's:
>in love with food and stuff himself like a pig when food is around
>retardedly optimistic about their dream goal
>airhead and butt of the joke most of the time except the rare moments they enter serious mode
>always acts asexual whether they have a love interest or not
>easily impressed by childish stuff
>book stupid and always gets bad grades
>everyone else is inspired by their blind optimism
Those were an amalgamation of five specific shonen jump protagonist but there are probably lots more that fit under these descriptions.
>A.D 2016
>watching anime
>Rito
>Weak, not a gram of muscle on him
Did you even read the manga?
>>141212616
Bleach,Naruto and DBZ are the definition of normie.
>>141198974
>>141212231
Moefags fuck off
>>141212616
>One Punch Man
>not normie as fuck
>>141212616
What if you enjoy all thr categories?
>>141213018
literally kill yourself
>>141211018
yeah so?
>>141213018
literally no taste
I miss Yusuke, so badass. He might be my favorite Shounen MC
>>141198600
Its because having muscles is considered gay now because of this
>>141213083
>>141213281
Cant a man enjoy multiple genres?
>>141213385
> having muscles is considered gay now because of this
Its been way before Aniki actually.
>>141212616
ERASED is a good animay tho
>>141198600
>Shidou
Not this shit again.
>>141199750
>>141204917
Monmusu-Darlingfags are just as retarded as the fanbase that wants to fuck animals
>>141198600
>onizuka
>alpha
kek
>>141211018
To-Love-Ru is a shounen but not an action shounen.
That would be like putting in the "old shounen MC" section characters like Youta Moteuchi (VGA) or Kyousuke Kasuga (Orange Road) to "prove" how beta and incompetent they were in the past.
>>141213966
>>141214220
What's with all the memes threads lately? Those "this is your date" threads are just as bad.
>>141198782
>>141198600
>>141214571
>>141199750
You would probably end up with a character like Shinobu who possibly fucked most of the girls in his class offscreen and only doesn't bang more because they'd likely kill him
>>141214956
>there will never be a MC as based as Shinobu from Kamachi's hands ever again
>>141208277
>>141198600
Bigger irony is that rito is old as hell so calling it "now" is even more absurd.
Y'know back in my day trolling meant something. Now it's just a contest of who can look the stupidest, most incompetent, or most ignorant.
>>141215066
There might be, js06 hasn't translated much of Blood Sign but I kind of liked that MC, though Kamachi was obviously taking the piss with the harem girl cliches in that.
>>141198600
>>141215224
Kyosuke runs away from pussy anon, that's why it's so low on Js06's priorities boring walls of expositions aside.
>>141213260
>thinks shounen is a genre.
>>141198600
Fujoshit becoming the majority of the fanbase and beta male japs wanting self-inserts.
>>141198600
call them charismatic instead of saying people loved them
>>141215386
True, though when I asked about it js06 said he got a lot better by volume 2, and White Queen is motivation enough for me to be interested. Somewhat unrelated, I'm not sure which is more romantic,Heivia doing an Object powered drop kick to save his girlin Heavy Object, orShinobu getting a zombie kiss from his now-zombie girlfriend to not die when he is killedin Zashiki Warashi.
>>141216049
As much as WE is the pull, Kyosuke is a huge turn off, even if he gets "better".
>Harem MCs
They shouldn't count. They're barely characters.
>>141198600
Only the second and the last point there applies to Kirito, though.
>>141212616
>Mature adult with refined taste, successful in life
>/tv/'s entry level "should watch" guide
>posted on a korean basketweaving board
dude i don't know much about you but i can tell that if you made this, then you're probably still live at home with your parents
>>141214956
>implying Shinobu got to fuck Madoka
Shinobu please.
>>141216458
At the very least he did in the singer song liar end.
>>141216049
Heivia takes this one because of the honorable duel that followed. I love stuff like that.
>>141216744
Hevia takes all of them in general.
I liked the part of V4 where Hevia was battling terrorists and just operating while Quesnser was too busy liquoring up attractive and slightly older women.
>>141213854
Liam Nielson is a better MC than Eckhart
>>141212616
obvious bait but i'll play along
>I watch these 3d films because it proves my intelligent.
why are /tv/ fag so obsessed with taste hierarchy? It's even more unbalanced than /a/ no wonder you can trigger them easily with a single anime thread.
>>141219051
/tv/ itself is an anti-anime board. They crave cynicism, so anime hate thread are post there frequently for them to circlejerk.
>>141212343
Don't like very much =/= don't like.
>>141198888
>nobody cares
>still comments
Heh.
